Dholak ke geet(?)
Azra Bano
I remember reading all those articles on apne rasm-o-rivaaj, and was really
tempted to contribute, but was caught up in other stuff. At the risk of
boring all of you to death, I'll contribute anyway...:) Hamaare paas dulha
dulhan donon hi ko manje baithna padta hai. Now the culture I'm talking
about is half north ka, and half Hyderabadi, and I really don't know which
is which. Anyway, this manje baithna is good fun, and it's chapter one of a
traditional indian muslim(?) marriage. It can be of any duration, depending
on the time people have on their hands. Usually it's for a week, if you
have relatives coming in from all over the place [I mean various states,
even countries sometimes]. Everybody tries to dress in yellow, and
the house is like a "zaafraan ka khet" :). Dulhan to bechari apne manje ke
jode me baith jaati hai [same goes for dulha] and the relatives come and
put haldi on the face and mehndi on the hands, and the tray is passed on,
bas phir all the bachche log freak out, :), rubbing haldi on everyone in
sight. All this happens in the evening, after the dulhan and her
friends/cousins/sisters come back from college :)), the relatives from
work, and kids from school. Ye sab rasmeN jab khatam ho jaati hain,
matlab every day of the week say is allotted to one family, say ek din
chacha [paternal uncle] ne phool pehnaaye, ek din maamu [maternal uncle]
ne, bas phool pehnaane aur ubtan lagaane ke baad janta sab dholak lekar
baith jaati hai, come to think of it, I wonder where it suddenly appears
from, the dhol, I mean..we never see it otherwise..anyway, this one person
is sorta the leader, and she starts bajaaoing it, and baap re, itne stud
vibes ke poocho mat :)), she "tunes" it and "tests" and and cribs about how
ye bachchon ke haath lag gaya to bas, and stuff, while we sit patiently and
listen, and keep saying ab jaane do na bua, and the elders sympathise and
say haan Fatimabee [in my grandmother's house, she's the one who's
completely in charge of the kitchen and this stuff :)], anyway, the prelims
dispensed with, we wud all start our "singing" :), and those songs I think
are what constitute the "dholak ke geet"..pehle thoRe senti songs about
dulhan going to the sasuraal and stuff, and then the parodies..:)) I
remember lines like
"Dulhan ki saas, woh to choole ki hai raakh,
Usko phooka karenge, hum tum dono rahenge"..:))
The *only* nice lines wud be about the dulha..the rest wud be mashallah :))
I *wish* I could recollect the entire song, if anyone remembers anymore of
it, would you please post? The song was basically
"hum tum dono rahenge, sadaa ghungru bajenge.." Kuch bhi bakwas songs they,
magar itne mazedaar the ke poocho mat..:)) And we wud have some verrry
flattering songs as well, in praise of the dulhan's relatives [our own
relatives, I mean], and we would go upto them, poora troupe, room to room,
ja ja kar, sing[scream, more like :)] tunelessly till they gave us
"baqsheesh"..:)))..most times they wud say, haan theek hai, aage
bado..:))) Another favorite song of ours used to be "Mai jo hoti raja, bela
chameliya, mahek rehti raja tore bangle pe.." major enthu at "mai jo hoti
raja tori dulhaniya.." :), heavy taaliyan and everything..:)) and the poor
dulhan sitting there feeling Godknowswhat. I felt especially bad for my sis
when she got married..:)) she's the one who's majorly enthu about all this
stuff, and she had to just sit there, sar jhukakar [elders ke dar se..:))]
The guys would feel terribly left-out..:) these chotus would come up and
say, "hum bhi daate [gaate]" :), and the girls would act maha-condescending
and say, "chhee, tum nai gaa sakte, baith ke taaliyan bajao" :) Anyway,
this sitting with the dhol becomes an everyday affair till bidaai, it's not
restricted to just manje...:)) The punjabis have a real good assortment of
songs for each one of these occasions, for mehndi they have something like
"Mehndni, mehndi.." or whatever..In Kabhi Kabhi, during Rakhee's marriage,
u hear one of those in the background.."...something vich vich de,
..babul..dola naiyyo langda..." [My knowledge of Punjabi amounts to zilch,
so u'll have to excuse me here..]
I cud go on and on...but I hear yells for mercy..:)) And I still haven't
started on my role as "saali"..:) Tchah, I was bekaar tho'. I was too
sleepy actually..by then all of us were too tired, so we messed up, and we
weren't prepared. Especially the mehndi ki rasam, where the saali dresses
like the bride and holds the dulha's little finger, gosh, 2 seconds me I
lost, that humiliation I can never outlive..:(( my brother-in-law happily
hands me back his hand and says, ye lo, try again..:)) which was even
worse..!! Dammit, I just didn't know anything about what I was supposed to
do, and nobody bothered to inform me. Plus I had strict instructions to
behave myself and I was too scared to flout them, and now it's too late..:'(
I got to dress like the dulhan tho', which was cool, come to think of it..:)
Saala mai to saahab ban gaya..:)
Anyway, kuch puraani yaadein baatne ki gustakhi ki hai...yehi ek maqsoos
khazaana hai jo kabhi kam nahi hota, umr ke saath badhta rehta hai, aur
baatne se ghatTa bhi nahi hai, na taxes ka jhanjhat :)..theek hai, theek hai,
full stop. :)
I blame this article completely on Vandana. :)) She's the one who started me
off on it..
Jinko aiteraaz ho, maaf karna bhai, magar flame hargiz mat karna.
azra
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Tread softly because you tread on my dreams [Yeats]
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--
Ajay Srivastava
It has been just over 8 months since I came on this continent,and going
through your article really made me verrry nostalgic.
Jis tarah se aapane is article mein bayan kiya hai theek usi tarah se
hamare yahan shaadi ki rasmen hoti hain,bahut hi accha laga padh kar.It
used to be so much fun back home itani chehel pehel hoti thi.Anyway I
enjoyed going through it.
Ajay.
gupta himanshu s
In article <bano.799190149@alice>,
Azra Bano <ba...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu> wrote:
>
>baith jaati hai, come to think of it, I wonder where it suddenly appears
>from, the dhol, I mean..we never see it otherwise..anyway, this one person
>is sorta the leader, and she starts bajaaoing it, and baap re, itne stud
>vibes ke poocho mat :)), she "tunes" it and "tests" and and cribs about how
>ye bachchon ke haath lag gaya to bas, and stuff, while we sit patiently and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>listen, and keep saying ab jaane do na bua, and the elders sympathise and
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>say haan Fatimabee [in my grandmother's house, she's the one who's
>completely in charge of the kitchen and this stuff :)], anyway, the prelims
So true. It invariably happens.
>The guys would feel terribly left-out..:) these chotus would come up and
>say, "hum bhi daate [gaate]" :), and the girls would act maha-condescending
>and say, "chhee, tum nai gaa sakte, baith ke taaliyan bajao" :)
This was great! The best lines from the article.
>azra
-Himanshu.
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: In article <bano.799190149@alice>,
: Azra Bano <ba...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu> wrote:
: >
: So true. It invariably happens.
: >The guys would feel terribly left-out..:) these chotus would come up and
: >say, "hum bhi daate [gaate]" :), and the girls would act maha-condescending
: >and say, "chhee, tum nai gaa sakte, baith ke taaliyan bajao" :)
: This was great! The best lines from the article.
Toh ab samjhe Sami saab ne taali bajaana kaise aur kab seekha .
Zaroor kisi shaadi mein unhein bhi gaane nahin diya gaya hoga.
Great original post,
Later,
Ikram.
: >azra
: -Himanshu.
SAMIUDDIN MOHAMMED
>: >The guys would feel terribly left-out..:) these chotus would come up and
>: >and say, "chhee, tum nai gaa sakte, baith ke taaliyan bajao" :)
> Zaroor kisi shaadi mein unhein bhi gaane nahin diya gaya hoga.
:-)
Janaab, is nacheez ki aisi quismat kahan ke shaadi me taali bajane ka mauqua
mile... "Humne to jab taali maangi, gaali ka haar mila" :-) Lekin Ikram Sahab,
jab aapki shaadi hogi to zaroor batana... Phir "Teri mehfil me quismat aazmake
hum bhi dekhenge.." :-)
Talking about Hyderabadi "Dholak ke Geet", there was one adopted by Khaiyyam in
the movie Bazaar. This is often sung at traditional Hyderabadi Muslim weddings.
It used to be played often on the Hyderabad Urdu program Nairang (I hope I rem.
the name correctly... it has really been a while). I vaguely rem. the names of
two famous "Dholak ke Geet" singers of Hyderabad: Arjuman Nazir and
Kanis Fatima.
Anyway, here's the one adopted by Khaiyyam. Although, he retained the original
tune, the prelude and interludes composed by him were heavenly.
Film: Bazaar
*ing: Farooq Shaikh, Naseeruddin Shah, Supriya Pathak and Smita Patil
Lyrics: Traditional (Hyderabadi)
Music: Tune traditional, song composed by Khaiyyam
Singers: Jagjit Kaur and ??
Chale aao saiyyan rangile main waari re
Chale aao saiyyan rangile main waari re
Sajan mohe tum bin bhaae na zewar (2)
Na jhumke, na kangan, na jhoomar na jhaanjar
Chale aao saiyyan rangile main waari re
Sajan mohe tum bin bhaae na singaar (2)
Na surqui, na missi, na mehndi, na laali
Chale aao saiyyan rangile main waari re
Sajan mohe tum bin bhaae na gajra (2)
Na juhi, chameli, na motiya, na mogra
Chale aao saiyyan rangile main waari re
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan).... looking forward to Ikram's wedding :-)
>Ikram.
Prince Kohli
nde...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Neha Desai) writes:
|> some years ago i had seen this movie on doordarshan..
|> a black and white one...starring sunil dutt and shiela ramani(the club
|> dancer in taxi driver)
|> it is about travellers of a train that breaks down somewhere...
|> people are stranded and all that...
The movie is probably "Platform," Sunil Dutt's first. No idea if the
song is from the same phillum though.
-Prince
|> there was one song in this movie that i liked very much....
|> it went..(sung by sunil dutt who does not have faith in god any longer)
|>
|> dekh tere bhagwaan ki haalat kya ho gayi insaan..
|> kitna badal gaya bhagwaan...
Vandana Sharma
: bado..:))) Another favorite song of ours used to be "Mai jo hoti raja, bela
: chameliya, mahek rehti raja tore bangle pe.." major enthu at "mai jo hoti
: raja tori dulhaniya.." :), heavy taaliyan and everything..:)) and the poor
And now that you reminded me of this song, I want the complete lyrics!
I think this song is based on some raga. It's a very nice song, esp.
fun to sing and esp. with a chorus..'cause the female would sing the lead
and then for the ending phrase everyone can join in! And it has also
has a nice, steady beat to it. Taalis would go along perfectly with the
chorus. It is one of those songs, like majority of the songs sung at
weddings, that don't require much skill in singing, nor sweet voices!
Actually, the more untrained the voice, the better! That's how you get
the folk singing feeling.
Some time ago, I attend the marraige of a friend of mine, a Sikh, and so
all of the geet session was in Punjabi..which was fun through and
through 'cause the songs were bright and loud and zesty. And I was
amazed to see how everyone (all ladies though) joined in, some singing,
some clapping and giving accompaniment. I could see a musician in so
many of them, the way they would sometimes change the rhythm, change
the accompaniment, the way they used dynamics, tone quality and texture,
and all of this very instinctively. There was no conductor to conduct
them, no MD had preset the music for them. All they knew about the song
was its melody, the rest was their own musicianship. This shows that
there is music in each one of us. The levels differ. The streak is
present though. It's just that those of us whose levels are high join
RMIM and then the levels get even higher!!
: I blame this article completely on Vandana. :)) She's the one who started me
: off on it..
Jee, jee....zaroor! Enaayet hai! Kuch ilzaam lene mein bhi maza aata hai!
Jo mohobbat karne mein mazaa aata hai...
"Jab pyaar kiya to derna kya..."
Jiski khushiyan aur ghum dono baraabar aziz hote hain..!
-Vandana
: azra
Neha Desai
a black and white one...starring sunil dutt and shiela ramani(the club
dancer in taxi driver)
it is about travellers of a train that breaks down somewhere...
people are stranded and all that...
it went..(sung by sunil dutt who does not have faith in god any longer)
dekh tere bhagwaan ki haalat kya ho gayi insaan..
kitna badal gaya bhagwaan...
please dont tell me i have the song wrong..because i know there is one
song like dekh tere sansaar ki haalat kya ho gayi bhagwaan...
kitna badal gaya insaan....
if anyone remembers let me know....
--
-neha
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Rahiman dhaaga prem ka, mat todo chatkay
Tute se phir naa jude, jude gaanth pad jaaye
Neha Desai
> Toh ab samjhe Sami saab ne taali bajaana kaise aur kab seekha .
> Zaroor kisi shaadi mein unhein bhi gaane nahin diya gaya hoga.
good one ikram !!!:)))
sorry sami...had to laugh....and that also loudly.....gunj sunai di kya?
:))))))))))))))))))))))
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: In article <3o0r03$o...@news.tamu.edu>, iak...@tamu.edu (Ikram Ahmed Khan) writes:
:
: >: >The guys would feel terribly left-out..:) these chotus would come up and
: >: >and say, "chhee, tum nai gaa sakte, baith ke taaliyan bajao" :)
: > Toh ab samjhe Sami saab ne taali bajaana kaise aur kab seekha .
: > Zaroor kisi shaadi mein unhein bhi gaane nahin diya gaya hoga.
: :-)
: Janaab, is nacheez ki aisi quismat kahan ke shaadi me taali bajane ka mauqua
: mile... "Humne to jab taali maangi, gaali ka haar mila" :-) Lekin Ikram Sahab,
: jab aapki shaadi hogi to zaroor batana...
Sahab ,Kaafi intezaar karna padega, isliye hum aapko hamare doosre rmim
bhai behenon ki shaadi mein taali bajaane ki ijaazat de dete hain. Lekin
hamaari shaadi mein toh zaroor bajaani padegi ... ;) Yeh hum aapse vaada
le rahein hain, huzoor.
On a side note, in countless films there have been shaadi occasions in which
there have been lots of chhed chhaadh and the first time that
boy-meets-girl, girl-meets-boy episode hota hai.
My question is whether this happened in real life with any rmimer too. arrey
bhai , agar hua hai toh bataaiye janaab.
And since I am starting this , let me be the one to say ke, boss hamare
saath toh aisa kuchh nahin hua :(.
Aise jeevan bhi hain jo jeeye hi nahin ....
Aap log bataiye ke kya hua??
Angoor khatte rahe ya kuchh baat bhi banee ???
This post is not *music * related but it is definitely rmimer related , so
Prince sahab and other " please post to alt.movies.indian or sci" logon se
guzaarish hai ke woh hamein bhi kuchh apne baarey mein bataayein.
: Phir "Teri mehfil me quismat aazmake hum bhi dekhenge.." :-)
Sami sahab, tab tak ke qismat aazmane ka intezaar mat kijiye. Abhi se
shuroo ho jaiye. But not at the expense of rmim please. ;)
Later,
Ikram.
[ Sami sahab's post on Khaiyaam deleted to save b/w ]
: Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan).... looking forward to Ikram's wedding :-)
: >Ikram.
:
Ranjani Saigal
> a lovely article deleted >
Thanks for sharing this with us is such detail. I do not have much
idea about Muslim marriages and hence it was a very nice learning experience.
Ranjani Saigal
SAMIUDDIN MOHAMMED
>In article <3o0r03$o...@news.tamu.edu> iak...@tamu.edu (Ikram Ahmed Khan) writes:
>> Toh ab samjhe Sami saab ne taali bajaana kaise aur kab seekha .
>> Zaroor kisi shaadi mein unhein bhi gaane nahin diya gaya hoga.
>
>sorry sami...had to laugh....and that also loudly.....gunj sunai di kya?
one! Talking about hansi, ek achha sher yaad aaya... Nyaya Sharma in the film
Kinare Kinare:
Koi daawa nahin, faryaad nahin, tanz nahin
Rehm (pity) jab apne pe aata hai to hansleta hun
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)
>-neha
Marella Sridhar
: nde...@cc.umanitoba.ca (Neha Desai) writes:
: |> some years ago i had seen this movie on doordarshan..
: |> a black and white one...starring sunil dutt and shiela ramani(the club
: |> dancer in taxi driver)
: |> it is about travellers of a train that breaks down somewhere...
: |> people are stranded and all that...
: The movie is probably "Platform," Sunil Dutt's first. No idea if the
: song is from the same phillum though.
: -Prince
: |> there was one song in this movie that i liked very much....
: |> it went..(sung by sunil dutt who does not have faith in god any longer)
: |>
: |> dekh tere bhagwaan ki haalat kya ho gayi insaan..
: |> kitna badal gaya bhagwaan...
The name of the movie is RAILWAY PLATFORM - a small correction there.
Indeed you got the song right. Pradeep had twisted the lyrics to mock
at those who after money (the new Bhagwan). Don't recall much beyond that.
Sridhar
Vandana Sharma
: iak...@tamu.edu (Ikram Ahmed Khan) writes:
: |>
: |> On a side note, in countless films there have been shaadi occasions in which
: |> there have been lots of chhed chhaadh and the first time that
: |> boy-meets-girl, girl-meets-boy episode hota hai.
: |> My question is whether this happened in real life with any rmimer too. arrey
: |> bhai , agar hua hai toh bataaiye janaab.
: Unfortunately, it has never happened to me either. However, this did
: happen last summer to a friend of mine. LaDki ko dekha, baat-waat karee,
: phir jaakar mummy ko bola kee mummy jee, hamein to yeh pasand hai :-)
: Mums ne baat chalai aur chat mangani pat byah. Not exactly chheD-chhaaD
: but the romance _was_ there :-)
: |> This post is not *music * related but it is definitely rmimer related , so
: |> Prince sahab and other " please post to alt.movies.indian or sci" logon se
: Hamari zindagi to totally unromantic hai, kya karein. Though reading
Hmmm....not good, not good!
Humare dost aur zindagi totally unromantic?
Kuch karna chahiye!
Any suggestions anyone??
Aap khud bhi de sakte hain!
-Vandana
: all these kisse-kahaniaN (Vandana's, Azra's, Sami's :-) do at least
: provide vicarious thrills.
: -Prince
Azra Bano
>Hi Azra!
Hi Ajay.
>It has been just over 8 months since I came on this continent,and going
>through your article really made me verrry nostalgic.
I know the feeling only too well. And at that point, I hadn't even
discovered rmim. Arz hai ..
Yaad-e-maazi azaab hai ya rab
Chheen le mujhse haafiza mera
I don't know who the shayar is..but when u feel depressed & homesick, u
identify with this sher so well..especially when u think of the mangoes
u gorged back home in summer..:<
maazi : past
azaab : torture, punishment..
haafiza : well, actually, the ability to remember, sortof..memory
>Jis tarah se aapane is article mein bayan kiya hai theek usi tarah se
>hamare yahan shaadi ki rasmen hoti hain,bahut hi accha laga padh kar.It
>used to be so much fun back home itani chehel pehel hoti thi.Anyway I
>enjoyed going through it.
Chalo, aap ne enjoy kiya, hamaara prayatn safal hua. :)
azra
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Badi badi khushiyan hain, choti choti baaton mein
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--
irfan moinuddin
Can somebody (Azra Bano?) post it on the net or directly to me (to
save bandwith). Zara hum bhi dekhe ke us mazmoon ki kya khaasiyat
hain jo maghrib se lekar mashriq tak ke saare log oonchi aawaz
mein purlutf daad de rahe hain :-)
Irfan
--
Ashart-e-parah-dil zakhm-e-tamannah khana
Lazzat-e-resh-e-jigar gharkh-e-namkidaan hona
Ashart-e-qatlgah-e-ahl-e-tamannah mat pooch
Eid-e-nazarah hai shamshir ka aryaan hona Ghalib
MA4...@american.edu
or. But, Unfortunately, It turnted out to be something else. It is also called as Dholak kay Geet too. And the Geets in the tape I have are about a person going abroad (Dubai) to make livelihood. The neighbors, mother, sister, etc are very elated upon
his return and sings many different Geets. I hope you understand what I am trying to tell you. Read the lyrics at the bottom and respond appropriately. you can either post your address on this section or can send me an e-mail so that I can mail it to
you. (e-mail address ma4...@american.edu).
The lyrics are as follows:-
1. Mera Bhi Jaani Dubai ko Jayeega ........
2. Mera Bhai Dubai say aya na Aji Khob kama kay laya na......
3. Boloona Khala kaiko nai araiN. Nakhray DhikaraiN. Nakhray DhikaraiN...
4. There are many I just can't remember them all. Looking forward to hear from you.
Aapka Shaher Ka Ek Ladka (Khabar Dar Bhai Mat Banana)
Azhar-Wasim :-)
Azra Bano
> Apne Bhai kah kar bahut bada ilzam laga diya azra ji.
Sighhhh..
I guess I shud explain this "bhai" stuff. First of all, no relation
intended. I'm not about to tie a few hundred rakhis. Well, if I get a few
hundred gifts in return..hmm, guess I shud reconsider my stance..:))
Anyway, at least for now, until I decide to reconsider, 'arre bhai',
jaane do bhai', and 'maaf karo, bhai' are just standard figures of speech
I use as offers of peace or simply to convey a friendly tone. And I'm not
the only one who does that. In the words of John Lennon, 'All we are saying
is give peace a chance'.
> I read your article "Dholak key Geet" and liked it.
Thank you.
> But, Unfortunately, It turnted out to be something else. It is also called as Dholak kay Geet too. And the Geets in the tape I have are about a person going abroad (Dubai) to make livelihood. The neighbors, mother, sister, etc are very elated upon his return and sings many different Geets.
I hope you understand what I am trying to tell you.
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Well, I can but try..:))) It has been pointed out before that I
demonstrate a certain deficiency in the IQ department :)) but let us
simply assume that I do understand. :)
> Read the lyrics at the bottom and respond appropriately.
I have duly followed your precise instructions, read the lyrics
[deleted to save b/w] and my 'appropriate' response would be that since what
I read is not of any particular interest to me, I'd rather you saved
yourself the trouble of typing out the entire songs. Thanx for the offer.
> Aapka Shaher Ka Ek Ladka (Khabar Dar Bhai Mat Banana)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Technical point of order: The only time I used 'bhai' in my entire post was
when I referred to those who may have some objection to the contents. You
don't seem to have any, so there is no reason for you to issue mock threats
in my direction.
Another sincere request, please do not post your jokes on rmim. To most of
us, it is much more than just another newsgroup and certain digressions are
difficult to appreciate. The modulus of tolerance of this group really
should not be tested to a point where it begins to snap.
Excuse me, my sense of humor fails me sometimes.
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Kabhi khud pe, kabhi haalaat pe rona aaya
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azra
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