What happened to Jatin-Lalit?
Nitin Kulkarni
I needed info. on any new albums from Jatin Lalit , the composers of
music for films like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar, Khiladi and kabhi Haan
Kabhi Naan.....I really liked their music in the aabove films but
have not heard anything new from them recently...
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Ikram Ahmed Khan
: Hi folks,
: I needed info. on any new albums from Jatin Lalit , the composers of
: music for films like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar, Khiladi and kabhi Haan
: Kabhi Naan.....I really liked their music in the aabove films but
: have not heard anything new from them recently...
After giving some pretty good music in above films, they , I think suffered
from the MDs equivalent of writer's block :( I had high hopes from them,
seeing the obvious influence that RDB has had on their style of composing
but acc. to me they just petered off. They gave some music for some other
movies -- Kuntal sahab,woh "Tum jo mile, lara lara laa, gulshan khile, umm
hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana kaun (or if you are a big fan of HAHK , please
make that "koun" :) ) see film ka hai ? Plus I think they gave the music
for last years surprise hit Krantiveer (remember me paahilya tujhya
doDyanchaa thru :) ) Both the films had really average or below average
songs (imHo, I really don't care whether they come in xyz muqabla or lmn
top 10 or not) And btw, KHKN 's music had been recorded really very very
early on even tho' the film got released much later. And later reminds me
...
Later,
Ikram. :)
: --
Hemant K. Varma
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I needed info. on any new albums from Jatin Lalit , the composers of
> music for films like Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar, Khiladi and kabhi Haan
> Kabhi Naan.....I really liked their music in the aabove films but
> have not heard anything new from them recently...
>
>
>
Hey, don't give up on those youngsters yet!
They have composed some good tunes for Dev Anand's next
release 'GANGSTER'.. The songs grow on you as you listen to
them. The lyrics are the only weak point, but the orchestra
has been handled very well and sounds closer than ever to RD.
Dev had apparently instructed them to sound as much RDish as
possible. Their next promsising score will be for
'RETURN OF JEWEL THEIF'
HEMANT
-----------------------------------------------
U.V Ravindra
> : I needed info. on any new albums from Jatin Lalit
In article <3uhddf$5...@news.tamu.edu>
iak...@tamu.edu (Ikram Ahmed Khan) writes:
>
> After giving some pretty good music in above films, they , I think suffered
> from the MDs equivalent of writer's block :( I had high hopes from them,
> seeing the obvious influence that RDB has had on their style of composing
> but acc. to me they just petered off. They gave some music for some other
> movies -- Kuntal sahab,woh "Tum jo mile, lara lara laa, gulshan khile, umm
> hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana kaun (or if you are a big fan of HAHK , please
> make that "koun" :) ) see film ka hai ?
The song that you are referring to, Ikram-bhai, has been MD'd by loRD
Burman himself! It's from Parinda, a Nana Patekar, Jackie Shroff,
Anil "I-don't-know-why-I'm-here" Kapoor, and Madhuri Dixit starrer.
The lyrics of the song are like this:
(Suresh) "tum se mil ke, aisaa laga
tum se mil ke, armaaN hue poore dil ke
ai meri jaan-e-wafaa
teri-meri meri-teri ik jaan hai
saathe tere raheNge sadaa~~
ab ham na hoNge judaa"
(Asha) <repeat above line>
IMO, the only good song of this film!
> Plus I think they gave the music
> for last years surprise hit Krantiveer (remember me paahilya tujhya
> doDyanchaa thru :) ) Both the films had really average or below average
> songs (imHo, I really don't care whether they come in xyz muqabla or lmn
> top 10 or not) And btw, KHKN 's music had been recorded really very very
> early on even tho' the film got released much later. And later reminds me
> ...
I have heard this part about "kabhi haaN kabhi naa" elsewhere also.
I believe it was meant to be Jatin-Lalit's debut release, but JJWS
beat it to the box office. BTW, IMO two of Jatil-Lalit's best songs
are "pehlaa nashaa, pehlaa KHumaar" from JJWS and "Anna meri baat ko
naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa" from KHKN ...
> Later,
> Ikram. :)
>
Ravindra.
Who said Rafi-ans don't listen to new songs?
Kuntal Shah
In article <3uhddf$5...@news.tamu.edu> iak...@tamu.edu (Ikram Ahmed Khan) writes:
Ikram> After giving some pretty good music in above films, they , I
Ikram> think suffered from the MDs equivalent of writer's block :( I
Ikram> had high hopes from them, seeing the obvious influence that RDB
Ikram> has had on their style of composing but acc. to me they just
Ikram> petered off. They gave some music for some other movies --
Ikram> Kuntal sahab,woh "Tum jo mile, lara lara laa, gulshan khile, umm
Ikram> hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana kaun (or if you are a big fan of
Ikram> HAHK , please make that "koun" :) ) see film ka hai ? Plus I
Ikram> think they gave the music for last years surprise hit Krantiveer
Ikram> (remember me paahilya tujhya doDyanchaa thru :) ) Both the films
Ikram> had really average or below average songs (imHo, I really don't
Ikram> care whether they come in xyz muqabla or lmn top 10 or not) And
Ikram> btw, KHKN 's music had been recorded really very very early on
Ikram> even tho' the film got released much later. And later reminds me
Ikram> ... Later, Ikram. :)
Ikrambhai,
The song is:
"Tum mile, dil khile, aur jeene ko kya chahiye".
Movie is "Criminal", Singer Kumar Sanu, MD is MM Karim ( or MM Krim ,
as they write on TV shows ).
I do not think J-L were MDs for "Krantiveer". Could be N-S.
-Kuntal.
Kuntal Shah
In article <9507191821.AA12464@tata_elxsi.soft.net> uvr@tata_elxsi.soft.net (U.V Ravindra) writes:
>> After giving some pretty good music in above films, they , I think
>> suffered from the MDs equivalent of writer's block :( I had high
>> hopes from them, seeing the obvious influence that RDB has had on
>> their style of composing but acc. to me they just petered off. They
>> gave some music for some other movies -- Kuntal sahab,woh "Tum jo
>> mile, lara lara laa, gulshan khile, umm hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana
>> kaun (or if you are a big fan of HAHK , please make that "koun" :) )
>> see film ka hai ?
UVR> The song that you are referring to, Ikram-bhai, has been MD'd by
UVR> loRD Burman himself! It's from Parinda, a Nana Patekar, Jackie
UVR> Shroff, Anil "I-don't-know-why-I'm-here" Kapoor, and Madhuri Dixit
UVR> starrer. The lyrics of the song are like this:
UVR> "tum se mil ke, aisaa laga tum se mil ke"
I am stumped. Ikrambhai's clue is is even tougher than RJGK clue. I do
not know which song Ikrambhai is referring to.
UVR> IMO, the only good song of this film!
Can't agree. The song "Pyar ke moD pe chhoDi jo baheN teri" is far
better IMHO. ( Did anybody find traces of "ChhoDo kalai" from Saagar
in this song ? )
UVR> I have heard this part about "kabhi haaN kabhi naa" elsewhere
UVR> also. I believe it was meant to be Jatin-Lalit's debut release,
UVR> but JJWS beat it to the box office. BTW, IMO two of Jatil-Lalit's
UVR> best songs are "pehlaa nashaa, pehlaa KHumaar" from JJWS and "Anna
UVR> meri baat ko naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa" from KHKN ...
Agree with first one. For the KHKN, I think "Ae kaash ke hum hosh maiN"
was better than "Anna mere pyar ko". And "Deewana dil deewana" too.
-Kuntal.
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: > Nitin Kulkarni (nit...@D012S574.mch.sni.de) wrote:
: > : I needed info. on any new albums from Jatin Lalit
: In article <3uhddf$5...@news.tamu.edu>
: iak...@tamu.edu (Ikram Ahmed Khan) writes:
: >
: > After giving some pretty good music in above films, they , I think suffered
: > from the MDs equivalent of writer's block :( I had high hopes from them,
: > seeing the obvious influence that RDB has had on their style of composing
: > but acc. to me they just petered off. They gave some music for some other
: > movies -- Kuntal sahab,woh "Tum jo mile, lara lara laa, gulshan khile, umm
: > hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana kaun (or if you are a big fan of HAHK , please
: > make that "koun" :) ) see film ka hai ?
: The song that you are referring to, Ikram-bhai, has been MD'd by loRD
: Burman himself! It's from Parinda, a Nana Patekar, Jackie Shroff,
: Anil "I-don't-know-why-I'm-here" Kapoor, and Madhuri Dixit starrer.
: The lyrics of the song are like this:
: (Suresh) "tum se mil ke, aisaa laga
: tum se mil ke, armaaN hue poore dil ke
: ai meri jaan-e-wafaa
: teri-meri meri-teri ik jaan hai
: saathe tere raheNge sadaa~~
: ab ham na hoNge judaa"
: (Asha) <repeat above line>
NaheeN bhai woh beech mein maine jo fillers use kiye haiN woh fillers
naheeN chorus singing ke liye use kiya hai. This song is *ing Rahul Roy and
(ugh! yuch! aaaaaarghhh and other sounds of Pintuji clearing his throat
from his memorable post on a poster posting about the ABCD babe's thread )
Mamta Kulkarni... (Btw, you can use those sounds for Rahul too but they ,I
felt , are best reserved for Mamta K. Absolutely no flames will be
tolerated on my opinion of Mamta , please so desist :).
And I never referred to the Parinda song at all.
: IMO, the only good song of this film!
: > Plus I think they gave the music
: > for last years surprise hit Krantiveer (remember me paahilya tujhya
: > doDyanchaa thru :) ) Both the films had really average or below average
: > songs (imHo, I really don't care whether they come in xyz muqabla or lmn
: > top 10 or not) And btw, KHKN 's music had been recorded really very very
: > early on even tho' the film got released much later. And later reminds me
: > ...
: I have heard this part about "kabhi haaN kabhi naa" elsewhere also.
: I believe it was meant to be Jatin-Lalit's debut release, but JJWS
: beat it to the box office. BTW, IMO two of Jatil-Lalit's best songs
: are "pehlaa nashaa, pehlaa KHumaar" from JJWS and "Anna meri baat ko
: naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa" from KHKN ...
Make that Anna mere pyaar ko naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa...
Actually the other KSanu song in KHKN Ae kaash ke hum was the best in term
of lyrics but KSanus rendition (repeat performance by Pintuji :) ) !! That
is why for me the best songs will be the "Deewana ,,, dil deewana" (Oh,
the way Amit sings that stanza in a low-voice for the first time....
TooTaa sitaraa toh maaNga thha rab se tumko hee jaanewafaa.....ummmmmm
wonderful.... In my books just for his superb voice, I place him among the
all-time greats of male singers.... Udit visits this hall many a times and
once or twice Abhijeet lands up too but KSanu ....grrrrrr neverrrrrrrrrr
:) ) and the Vijeta Pandit and UN,AK one "KyuN na hum"... "Don" I felt
was too much of a take off on Ma Baker....
Later,
Ikram.
: > Later,
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: >>>>> "UVR" == U V Ravindra <uvr@tata_elxsi.soft.net> writes:
Aap donoN ke gaane mere gaane se milte julte zaroor haiN par mera gaana yeh
naheeN hai.
I am positive that the music was J-L, the stars were Rahul Roy and MamtaK (
one of my friends whose last name was Kulkarni, promptly said that there
are two different pronunciations of the last name one was the N sound in
ganesh and one is the simple 'n' sound in "one" and promptly announced that
she must belong to the other last names :) :) )and I am pretty certain that
the film was made by the Markand Adhikaari brothers (who made those Marathi
whodunits , remember them :) ) and the film also starred Jeetendra.
C'Mon Kuntal sahab, your posish. of being the I-speak-for-new-songs guy
on rmim is on line (pun totally unintended :) )
Later,
Ikram.
U.V Ravindra
Ik>> gave some music for some other movies -- Kuntal sahab,woh "Tum jo
Ik>> mile, lara lara laa, gulshan khile, umm hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana
Ik>> kaun (or if you are a big fan of HAHK , please make that "koun" :) )
Ik>> see film ka hai ?
U.V. Ravindra (uvr@tata_elxsi.soft.net) "UVR" wrote:
UVR> The song that you are referring to, Ikram-bhai, has been MD'd by
UVR> loRD Burman himself! It's from Parinda, a Nana Patekar, Jackie
UVR> Shroff, Anil "I-don't-know-why-I'm-here" Kapoor, and Madhuri Dixit
UVR> starrer. The lyrics of the song are like this:
UVR> "tum se mil ke, aisaa laga tum se mil ke"
In article <KUNTAL.95Jul19112852@damayanti>
kuntal@damayanti (Kuntal Shah) "Ku" writes:
Ku> I am stumped. Ikrambhai's clue is is even tougher than RJGK clue. I do
Ku> not know which song Ikrambhai is referring to.
Kuntal-bhai! jaaiye hum ne aap ko blacklist kar diyaa! arey, jis
gaane ki taraf Ikrambhai ishaaraa kar rahe the, wahi to maiN ne
decipher kar ke post kiyaa thaa. Don't tell me you don't remember
Suresh Wadkar and Asha Bhonsle in this song going
(Suresh) tum jo mile
(Asha) laa ra laa
(Suresh) gulshan khile
(Asha) laa ra laa
... and so on. Unless Ikrambhai says I'm terribly mistaken, I'd bet
my money on the fact that this is the only song which has such lyrics!
UVR> IMO, the only good song of this film!
Ku> Can't agree. The song "Pyar ke moD pe chhoDi jo baheN teri" is far
Ku> better IMHO. ( Did anybody find traces of "ChhoDo kalai" from Saagar
Ku> in this song ? )
Okay, YOU'RE RIGHT! "pyaar ke moD. pe chhoD.oge jo baaheN meri"
^^^^^^^
is also a good song. But it's not "far better". It's just "as good."
UVR> I have heard this part about "kabhi haaN kabhi naa" elsewhere
UVR> also. I believe it was meant to be Jatin-Lalit's debut release,
UVR> but JJWS beat it to the box office. BTW, IMO two of Jatil-Lalit's
UVR> best songs are "pehlaa nashaa, pehlaa KHumaar" from JJWS and "Anna
UVR> meri baat ko naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa" from KHKN ...
Ku> Agree with first one. For the KHKN, I think "Ae kaash ke hum hosh maiN"
Ku> was better than "Anna mere pyar ko". And "Deewana dil deewana" too.
Ku>
Ku> -Kuntal.
Dead wrong! About the other songs, I mean. Ikrambhai's original
question dealt with Jatin-Lalit sounding RD-esque. IM*H*O, in the
songs from KHKN, Jatin-Lalit sound RD-esque only in "Anna! mere pyaar
ko". In "deewaana! dil deewaanaa!" and "ae kaash ke hum hosh meiN ab
aane naa paayeN" they sound decidedly and pronouncedly
Nadeem-Shravanish! (*ugh*). More so in the latter song than in the
former. I can't tolerate Nadeem-Shravanish music for nuts. I still
saw the movie twice. For two reasons. a) Suchitra K. and b) "Anna,
mere pyaar ko".
BTW, while on the topic of KHKN, one should also mention that the song
"sachchi yeh kahaani hai, sun le meri jaan ... woh banaa kaise DON"
makes extremely entertaining hearing. And the most forgettable song
from this film is the "woh to hai albelaa" song. This last mentioned
is a real howler. The song is started by Shahrukh's sister, I think,
and then his mother joins in, and then the Father (no, not Shahrukh's
dad) Naseeruddin Shah. *then* it's the turn of Tiku "yeh kyaa ho
rahaa hai" Talsania, and then Suchitra Krishnamoorthy's inner voice.
Then Shahrukh's dad joins in, and then the entire gang of party
invitees ... people keep coming into this song with such remarkable
frequency that you almost expect the dog that roams in the streets
also to pitch in with his efforts.
Incidentally, Kuntal, do you remember the song that Shahrukh's and
Suchitra's man-ki-aawaaz sings when he takes her to the "New Year's
Ball" or whatever ... that was a nice song, and quite RD-esque too, I
felt. It's that background song that comes in the film before Deepak
Tijori comes in and blows Shahrukh's KHushi-kaa-bulbula, and Suchitra
slaps him hard ... gosh! did I hate her for doing that! ;-)
Ravindra.
*now* do you believe that Rafi-ans listen to good music,
not just *old* music?
U.V Ravindra
Ikram>>> hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana kaun (or if you are a big fan of
Ikram>>> HAHK , please make that "koun" :) ) see film ka hai ? Plus I
In article <KUNTAL.95Jul19105125@damayanti>
kuntal@damayanti (Kuntal Shah) writes:
> Ikrambhai,
>
> The song is:
>
> "Tum mile, dil khile, aur jeene ko kya chahiye".
>
> Movie is "Criminal", Singer Kumar Sanu, MD is MM Karim ( or MM Krim ,
> as they write on TV shows ).
>
> I do not think J-L were MDs for "Krantiveer". Could be N-S.
>
> -Kuntal.
Knock, knock! Wake up, Kuntal-ji! aaj kal bahut late-night kaam kar
rahe haiN kyaa? Read my follow-up to your other reply to Ikrambhai's
post.
Incidentally, are you also sure about the MM K(a)rim part? As far as
I know, Criminal is the remake of a Telugu film (I dunno its name),
and the MD for *that* film is MM Keeravani. I am almost 99.9% sure
that Keeravani is also the director for the Hindi version. At least,
this song sounds the same in Telugu and Hindi, as far as the music
goes.
I don't know the details about Krantiveer.
Ravindra.
I don't watch the telly, but ...
Kuntal Shah
Ikram> NaheeN bhai woh beech mein maine jo fillers use kiye haiN woh
Ikram> fillers naheeN chorus singing ke liye use kiya hai. This song is
Ikram> *ing Rahul Roy and (ugh! yuch! aaaaaarghhh and other sounds of
Ikram> Pintuji clearing his throat from his memorable post on a poster
Ikram> posting about the ABCD babe's thread ) Mamta Kulkarni... (Btw,
Ikram> you can use those sounds for Rahul too but they ,I felt , are
Ikram> best reserved for Mamta K. Absolutely no flames will be
Ikram> tolerated on my opinion of Mamta , please so desist :).
Great. You have given me the info I needed. Rahul Roy and Mamta K....
ummmm. My brain says they appeared only once together. The movie was
"Bhookamp", also starring Jeetendra. MD are N-S. Movie was released
in 1993. And song goes like this :
Tum jo mile (your fillers )
Gulshan Khile ( fillers again )
Maheki maheki hawa hai
?? ?? ye fizaN hai
Gaye jamiN jhume ye asmaN....
Aaj lage har nazara jawaaN.... tum jo mile.
Right ?
I hope now UVR removes me from the blacklist.
Ikram> And I never referred to the Parinda song at all.
So we know who should be blacklisted :)
-Kuntal.
Kuntal Shah
UVR> ... and so on. Unless Ikrambhai says I'm terribly mistaken, I'd
UVR> bet my money on the fact that this is the only song which has such
UVR> lyrics!
Ravindra, be careful while betting... you have already lost some money
on Jagjeet Singh. As I have mentioned in earlier post, we both were
wrong on first attempt.
UVR> BTW, while on the topic of KHKN, one should also mention that the
UVR> song "sachchi yeh kahaani hai, sun le meri jaan ... woh banaa
UVR> kaise DON" makes extremely entertaining hearing.
And nice picturization too. In fact, I very much liked the idea of a
"sentimental" don.
UVR> Incidentally, Kuntal, do you remember the song that Shahrukh's and
UVR> Suchitra's man-ki-aawaaz sings when he takes her to the "New
UVR> Year's Ball" or whatever ... that was a nice song, and quite
UVR> RD-esque too, I felt. It's that background song that comes in the
UVR> film before Deepak Tijori comes in and blows Shahrukh's
UVR> KHushi-kaa-bulbula, and Suchitra slaps him hard ... gosh! did I
UVR> hate her for doing that! ;-)
Hey, that song is the one "Ae kaash ke hum". Lyrics also match the
situation. Now you are in a fix: earlier you said you did not like the
song and it was Nadeem-Shravanish. And now you are telling that was a
nice song. And quite RD-esque too !!!
Please clarify :)
UVR> Ravindra. *now* do you believe that Rafi-ans listen to good
UVR> music, not just *old* music?
Yes, but not enough, or rather, not carefully !!
-Kuntal.
Kuntal Shah
ites:
>> Ikrambhai,
>>
>> The song is:
>>
>> "Tum mile, dil khile, aur jeene ko kya chahiye".
>>
>> Movie is "Criminal", Singer Kumar Sanu, MD is MM Karim ( or MM Krim
>> , as they write on TV shows ).
>>
>> I do not think J-L were MDs for "Krantiveer". Could be N-S.
>>
>> -Kuntal.
UVR> Knock, knock! Wake up, Kuntal-ji! aaj kal bahut late-night kaam
UVR> kar rahe haiN kyaa? Read my follow-up to your other reply to
UVR> Ikrambhai's post.
Late night kaam to nahiN, late night RMIMing zaroor karta hooN.
UVR> Incidentally, are you also sure about the MM K(a)rim part? As far
UVR> as I know, Criminal is the remake of a Telugu film (I dunno its
UVR> name), and the MD for *that* film is MM Keeravani. I am almost
UVR> 99.9% sure that Keeravani is also the director for the Hindi
UVR> version. At least, this song sounds the same in Telugu and Hindi,
UVR> as far as the music goes.
I watched tv today just to confirm this. They showed MD as M M Kreem ,
so I was almost correct. May be same guy MM Keeravani has been renamed.
-Kuntal.
Kuntal Shah
Ikram> Aap donoN ke gaane
Ikram> mere gaane se milte julte zaroor haiN par mera gaana yeh naheeN
Ikram> hai. I am positive that the music was J-L, the stars were Rahul
Ikram> Roy and MamtaK and I am pretty certain that the
Ikram> film was made by the Markand Adhikaari brothers (who made those
Ikram> Marathi whodunits , remember them :) ) and the film also starred
Ikram> Jeetendra.
Please refer to my earlier post : the movie is "Bhookamp".
I am not sure about N-S v/s J-L. But you are correct about Adhikari
brothers ( their names are Markand and Gautam ). They also introduced
Marathi actor Mohan Joshi as villain in this movie. This Mohan now is
a regular villain, he appears in latest movies "Gaddar" and "Takkar".
Ikram> C'Mon Kuntal sahab, your posish. of being the
Ikram> I-speak-for-new-songs guy on rmim is on line (pun totally
Ikram> unintended :) )
So my reputation is intact, right ?
-Kuntal.
Ikram Ahmed Khan
: Ikram> C'Mon Kuntal sahab, your posish. of being the
: Ikram> I-speak-for-new-songs guy on rmim is on line (pun totally
: Ikram> unintended :) )
: So my reputation is intact, right ?
Most certainly ! But it is still "daamadol" unless you give me that Asha
"number" from Gardish. Problem yeh hai, ke my tape is in India and I have
only a few tapes over here. Jab bhi woh tune gungunaane kee koshish kartaa
hooN, I somehow get enmeshed in Jaana Qurbana Jaana from Nargis.
As for UVRji and his bettin' habits, all I can say is this,
Buri aadat hai yeh, aadat abhi badal dalo
KK in "ke pag ghungroo" from Namak Halal
{ Nothing like quoting a KK song to a Rafi-an if you want to rub it in :)
:)}
Btw, I am almost certain that the Music directors of Bhookamp were Jatin
Lalit.
Later,
Ikram.
: -Kuntal.
Neeraj Deshmukh
:> > movies -- Kuntal sahab,woh "Tum jo mile, lara lara laa, gulshan khile, umm
:> > hmm hmmmm hmmmmm" wala gana kaun (or if you are a big fan of HAHK , please
:> > make that "koun" :) ) see film ka hai ?
This one is from 'Bhookamp' *ing Jeetendra, Rahul Roy and
Mamta Kulkarni and introducing Mohan Joshi as the villain. Directed by
Gautam and Markand Adhikaari, better known as producers of TV cop
serials...
:> The song that you are referring to, Ikram-bhai, has been MD'd by loRD
:> Burman himself! It's from Parinda, a Nana Patekar, Jackie Shroff,
:> Anil "I-don't-know-why-I'm-here" Kapoor, and Madhuri Dixit starrer.
:> The lyrics of the song are like this:
:> (Suresh) "tum se mil ke, aisaa laga
:> tum se mil ke, armaaN hue poore dil ke
:> IMO, the only good song of this film!
Ravindrabhaai, you need another dekko at the soundtrack. Listen
to "Pyaar ke moD pe" and then you'll revise your opinion of 'only' good
song...
:> I have heard this part about "kabhi haaN kabhi naa" elsewhere also.
:> I believe it was meant to be Jatin-Lalit's debut release, but JJWS
:> beat it to the box office. BTW, IMO two of Jatil-Lalit's best songs
:> are "pehlaa nashaa, pehlaa KHumaar" from JJWS and "Anna meri baat ko
:> naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa" from KHKN ...
Jatin-Lalit's debut movie was 'Yaara Dildaara' (songs like 'Bin
tere sanam', 'tum hi hamaari ho manzil my love' etc).
Ciao,
ND
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>: tum se mil ke, armaaN hue poore dil ke
>: ai meri jaan-e-wafaa
>: teri-meri meri-teri ik jaan hai
>: saathe tere raheNge sadaa~~
>: ab ham na hoNge judaa"
>: (Asha) <repeat above line>
>
> naheeN chorus singing ke liye use kiya hai. This song is *ing Rahul Roy and
> (ugh! yuch! aaaaaarghhh and other sounds of Pintuji clearing his throat
> from his memorable post on a poster posting about the ABCD babe's thread )
> Mamta Kulkarni... (Btw, you can use those sounds for Rahul too but they ,I
Lagata hai, Flo-Jo meN meree performance se Ikram bhai jyaadaa hi khush
hai :-))))) total free publicity ho rahi hai apani to!! Thanks Ikram,
for reminding of that painful experience, I had actually choked on that
Babe thread! :)))))))))
>: beat it to the box office. BTW, IMO two of Jatil-Lalit's best songs
>: are "pehlaa nashaa, pehlaa KHumaar" from JJWS and "Anna meri baat ko
>: naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa" from KHKN ...
>
> Make that Anna mere pyaar ko naa tum jhooThaa samjho jaanaa...
> Actually the other KSanu song in KHKN Ae kaash ke hum was the best in term
> of lyrics but KSanus rendition (repeat performance by Pintuji :) ) !! That
Thank you! you never gave me the luxury of bulldozering another of
Sameer creations!!! Well, Ihaven't been in that chirpy mood in the
morning for some time anyway. Maybe seeing another Sameer creation will
make me chirpy :-)))))
-- Pintu Diwana
U.V Ravindra
=> U.V Ravindra (uvr@tata_elxsi.soft.net) wrote:
=>
=> : Incidentally, are you also sure about the MM K(a)rim part? As far as
=> : I know, Criminal is the remake of a Telugu film (I dunno its name),
=> : and the MD for *that* film is MM Keeravani. I am almost 99.9% sure
=> : that Keeravani is also the director for the Hindi version. At least,
=> : this song sounds the same in Telugu and Hindi, as far as the music
=> : goes.
=>
=> UVRji,
=> This MM Keeravani guy is the same guy as MM Kareem (just as the AR Rahman
=> guy in Tamil is the same as the AR Rehman guy in Hindi :) :) Honestly most
=> of the Tamil cassettes that I have list his name as AR rAhman [with the
=> 'a' and not the 'e', dunno why ] Also I have seen one other movie MDed by
=> this guy available dubbed in Hindi called Hairaan (discussed sometime back
=> on rmim) which is actually the Hindi dubbed version of the movie
=> Kshanakshanam (Hope I got the sp right :) ).
Yeh! You got the spelling right. For the movie, not the MD, though.
I am speaking about AR Ra/ehman's name. If you notice carefully (and
if you can read the "thamizh" script), you can see that his name is
written as A.R. Ragumaan in Thamizh. However, you'll agree that while
changing Rahman to Rehman is quite a natural transformation, changing
Keeravani (a perfectly southie name) to Kareem (Kuntal said it was
"Kreem") is a change that isn't that natural to perceive.
=> I really loved both the music
=> and the movie. Acc. to me it was the second best movie that I saw in that
=> year (first goes to Hum Hain Rahee pyaar ke) and I do make it a point to
=> see a lot of movies. Became a fan of "hansta hua noorani chehra" Venkatesh
VERY GOOD PUN, Ikram, if Noorani is what the 'N.' in N. Venkatesh's
name stands for! ;-)
=> too, thanks to that movie. It had a abso great song by Suresh and KavitaK
=> (she sounded shrill to me tho' but the situation of that song reminded me
=> of the Chori Chori song.... and beautifully done too) which went Aadhi
=> raat meiN jhoome chandrama,(ke) aaee chandni yahaN....Plus there was the
=> dance type number which went "Hum bhi haiN teri raahoN meiN jaanam hum se
=> bhi zara dil lagaa". Superbly danced by Sridevi and Venkatesh. I noticed
=> this guy, the MD then for the first time. I am feeling a kind of
=> satisfaction now that he has made it big in Hindi movies too (in a way
=> only... not as big as ARR of course) with his Criminal song "tum mile dil
=> khile". I haven't managed to hear the song until now tho' :( No good audio
=> cassette stores in small College Station :(((
Okay, if you really like Rahman-style music, you'll like this song
"tum mile dil khile" from Criminal, Ikrambhai, but I seriously have
some strong reservations against predicting a great future for
Keeravani. The reason is because I feel (and this is *my* opinion) he
doesn't have much talent, and certainly can't establish a style of his
own. I believe he started out as the senior music assistant cum
orchestra arranger, or something like that, and used to work for
Ilaiyaraja (who, despite all his failings, is one of the most original
composers I have heard, IMO). Somewhere down the line, MMKeeravani
felt the need to get out and be on his own. That was when he made
some success with KshanaKshanam. Besides this, most his other films
were entirely forgettable. If you note carefully, his music in
KshanaKshanam is quite Ilaiyaraja-esque. Then the guy had to lie low
till he came up with this ab. dynamite song (I'll grant him that), but
then, this is in a style that sounds like some countrymade-mixture of
Ilaiyaraja+Rehman. I don't mean to belittle MMK's achievements, but I
somehow can't help feeling that they guy suffers from a dearth of
the kind of talent needed for MD's to make it big on their own.
These are only my opinions, and you may disagree with them.
=>
=> Later,
=> Ikram.
=>
Ravindra.
Want me to send you a copy of the Criminal cassette, Ikram?
Kuntal Shah
UVR> this is in a style that sounds like some countrymade-mixture of
UVR> Ilaiyaraja+Rehman. I don't mean to belittle MMK's achievements,
UVR> but I somehow can't help feeling that they guy suffers from a
UVR> dearth of the kind of talent needed for MD's to make it big on
UVR> their own.
UVR> These are only my opinions, and you may disagree with them.
Few weeks back I was watching movie "Sliver" with friends. And one
friend pointed out that one music piece in it sounded exactly like
opening music of "Tum mile dil khile". Remember that starting with a
female voice in this song ?
Now if you can prove that this Khankhanam was after Sliver was
released, it will strengthen your argument.
-Kuntal.
Ikram Ahmed Khan
about Kuntal sahab's post :
: > Ikrambhai,
: >
: > The song is:
: >
: > "Tum mile, dil khile, aur jeene ko kya chahiye".
: >
: > Movie is "Criminal", Singer Kumar Sanu, MD is MM Karim ( or MM Krim ,
: > as they write on TV shows ).
: >
: > I do not think J-L were MDs for "Krantiveer". Could be N-S.
: >
: > -Kuntal.
: Knock, knock! Wake up, Kuntal-ji! aaj kal bahut late-night kaam kar
: rahe haiN kyaa? Read my follow-up to your other reply to Ikrambhai's
: post.
: Incidentally, are you also sure about the MM K(a)rim part? As far as
: I know, Criminal is the remake of a Telugu film (I dunno its name),
: and the MD for *that* film is MM Keeravani. I am almost 99.9% sure
: that Keeravani is also the director for the Hindi version. At least,
: this song sounds the same in Telugu and Hindi, as far as the music
: goes.
UVRji,
This MM Keeravani guy is the same guy as MM Kareem (just as the AR Rahman
guy in Tamil is the same as the AR Rehman guy in Hindi :) :) Honestly most
of the Tamil cassettes that I have list his name as AR rAhman [with the
'a' and not the 'e', dunno why ] Also I have seen one other movie MDed by
this guy available dubbed in Hindi called Hairaan (discussed sometime back
on rmim) which is actually the Hindi dubbed version of the movie
Kshanakshanam (Hope I got the sp right :) ). I really loved both the music
and the movie. Acc. to me it was the second best movie that I saw in that
year (first goes to Hum Hain Rahee pyaar ke) and I do make it a point to
see a lot of movies. Became a fan of "hansta hua noorani chehra" Venkatesh
too, thanks to that movie. It had a abso great song by Suresh and KavitaK
(she sounded shrill to me tho' but the situation of that song reminded me
of the Chori Chori song.... and beautifully done too) which went Aadhi
raat meiN jhoome chandrama,(ke) aaee chandni yahaN....Plus there was the
dance type number which went "Hum bhi haiN teri raahoN meiN jaanam hum se
bhi zara dil lagaa". Superbly danced by Sridevi and Venkatesh. I noticed
this guy, the MD then for the first time. I am feeling a kind of
satisfaction now that he has made it big in Hindi movies too (in a way
only... not as big as ARR of course) with his Criminal song "tum mile dil
khile". I haven't managed to hear the song until now tho' :( No good audio
cassette stores in small College Station :(((
Later,
Ikram.
: I don't know the details about Krantiveer.
U.V Ravindra
kuntal@damayanti (Kuntal Shah) writes:
=>
=> >>>>> "UVR" == U V Ravindra <uvr@tata_elxsi.soft.net> writes:
=>
=> UVR> this is in a style that sounds like some countrymade-mixture of
=> UVR> Ilaiyaraja+Rehman. I don't mean to belittle MMK's achievements,
=> UVR> but I somehow can't help feeling that they guy suffers from a
=> UVR> dearth of the kind of talent needed for MD's to make it big on
=> UVR> their own.
=>
=> UVR> These are only my opinions, and you may disagree with them.
=>
=> Few weeks back I was watching movie "Sliver" with friends. And one
=> friend pointed out that one music piece in it sounded exactly like
=> opening music of "Tum mile dil khile". Remember that starting with a
=> female voice in this song ?
=>
=> Now if you can prove that this Khankhanam was after Sliver was
=> released, it will strengthen your argument.
=>
=> -Kuntal.
Kuntal,
Firstly, I felt the need to change the name of the thread because
we've come quite far from Jatin-Lalit. Apart from being a
contemporaneous MD, MMK surely has nothing in common with them.
Secondly, it is 'k-sh-ana-k-sh-anam' (meaning something like
"ghaD.i-ghaD.i" in Hindi), and not "khankhanam", though the latter,
with a slightly modified title, like, say "Khan-Khanum" would have
made a wondrously hit movie, if directed well ;-) ;-)
But, of course, it would have to be a tragedy. Nothing else would do,
would it?
And lastly, Kshanakshanam was *not* released after Sliver, IMO. But
then, kshanakshanam is also not the name of the Telugu version of
Criminal, as you wrongly seem to be assuming. Kshanakshanam was
dubbed into Hindi, I think, and starred Venkatesh and Sridevi, whereas
Criminal has been remade/dubbed (I don't know which) into Hindi from
it's Telugu original, and stars NAGARJUNA and Manisha Koirala.
Someone like S. Jagadish would perhaps be able to give us the real
name of the film Criminal in Telugu, but for some reason, methinks the
Telugu original was also called "Criminal."
All this doesn't mean that my opinion of MMK as a talentless MD has
changed. I still consider him to be slightly short on that aspect of
music direction. Of course, what I'll grant him is that he's got an
absolutely blown sense of orchestration, which makes most of his songs
a pleasure to listen to (no jarring interludes and no stupid sounds in
the middle to distract you, et all that sort of thing).
Ravindra.
Just making myself clear(er).
Renu Thamma
> => UVR> this is in a style that sounds like some countrymade-mixture of
> => UVR> Ilaiyaraja+Rehman. I don't mean to belittle MMK's achievements,
> => UVR> but I somehow can't help feeling that they guy suffers from a
> => UVR> dearth of the kind of talent needed for MD's to make it big on
> => UVR> their own.
I don't mean to bring Rajesh Roshan into the picture except for the sake of a
comparison, but in Telugu film music, M.M. Keeravani is a lot like what RR is to
Hindi Music. An MD with extremely 'identifiable' music, who is capable of good
music, but tends to resort to copying as an easy way out. Kshana Kshanam (which
was dubbed into Hindi as 'Hairaan', starring Sridevi and Nagarjuna) was his first
venture followed by 'Seetaramayya Gari Manavarallu', both of which showed a lot
of promise.
> And lastly, Kshanakshanam was *not* released after Sliver, IMO. But
> then, kshanakshanam is also not the name of the Telugu version of
> Criminal, as you wrongly seem to be assuming. Kshanakshanam was
> dubbed into Hindi, I think, and starred Venkatesh and Sridevi, whereas
> Criminal has been remade/dubbed (I don't know which) into Hindi from
> it's Telugu original, and stars NAGARJUNA and Manisha Koirala.
Kshana Kshanam was released sometime around Nov-Dec of 1991 for sure. It was the
hot favorite of all my nieces and nephews during my sister's wedding, especially
Sridevi's antics.
> Someone like S. Jagadish would perhaps be able to give us the real
> name of the film Criminal in Telugu, but for some reason, methinks the
> Telugu original was also called "Criminal."
I think so too, though I maybe grossly wrong. There was a Telugu movie by that
name released sometime in mid or late 1994, which starred Nagarjuna. Or wait,
maybe the Hindi 'Criminal' maybe a remake of the Telugu 'Antham' which starred
Urmila Matondkar. HEY! 'Antham''s MD was R.D. BURMAN!! Now I remember! So that's
how this thread is relevant to rmim. :) Antham had a *decent* okayish soundtrack,
though nothing close to what you'd expect from RDB. There was a Kavitha
Krishnamurthy solo in it that's pretty freaky and fun to listen to. I'd like to
hear more on this movie if anyone has heard the songs.
> All this doesn't mean that my opinion of MMK as a talentless MD has
> changed. I still consider him to be slightly short on that aspect of
> music direction. Of course, what I'll grant him is that he's got an
> absolutely blown sense of orchestration, which makes most of his songs
> a pleasure to listen to (no jarring interludes and no stupid sounds in
> the middle to distract you, et all that sort of thing).
True to a large extent. He's dished out some real crap too though. Including
jarring music and jhankaar beats and the works. But Kshana Kshanam to date
remains his best ever. The SPB-Chitra duet 'ammayi muddu ivvande' the SPB solo
'jaamu raathiri jabilamma' are fantastic, instrumentation wise and SPB and Chitra
run circles around you in the first song especially.
I'd like to know more about this Criminal business though. Was it Antham's remake
or 'Gaayam's remake? Gaayam incidentally had the distinction of being a
Mani Rathnam-Ram Gopla Verma dual directed movie, again with Urmila Matondkar in
it.
Renu.
U.V Ravindra
kuntal@damayanti (Kuntal Shah) writes:
=> UVR> ... and so on. Unless Ikrambhai says I'm terribly mistaken, I'd
=> UVR> bet my money on the fact that this is the only song which has such
=> UVR> lyrics!
=>
=> Ravindra, be careful while betting... you have already lost some money
=> on Jagjeet Singh. As I have mentioned in earlier post, we both were
=> wrong on first attempt.
Kuntal! maiN phir GHalat niklaa! :-( :-( looks like my intuition
fails everytime I tighten by shoelaces and get ready for betting.
That's perhaps why California/Las Vegas is not for me! :-( :-(
Neerajbhai-of-the-Deshmukh-clan has clarified which song it is ...
=> UVR> BTW, while on the topic of KHKN, one should also mention that the
=> UVR> song "sachchi yeh kahaani hai, sun le meri jaan ... woh banaa
=> UVR> kaise DON" makes extremely entertaining hearing.
=>
=> And nice picturization too. In fact, I very much liked the idea of a
=> "sentimental" don.
Yeah, that's right! Somehow it made not only "interesting," but
hilarous viewing.
=> UVR> Incidentally, Kuntal, do you remember the song that Shahrukh's and
=> UVR> Suchitra's man-ki-aawaaz sings when he takes her to the "New
=> UVR> Year's Ball" or whatever ... that was a nice song, and quite
=> UVR> RD-esque too, I felt. It's that background song that comes in the
=> UVR> film before Deepak Tijori comes in and blows Shahrukh's
=> UVR> KHushi-kaa-bulbula, and Suchitra slaps him hard ... gosh! did I
=> UVR> hate her for doing that! ;-)
=>
=> Hey, that song is the one "Ae kaash ke hum". Lyrics also match the
=> situation. Now you are in a fix: earlier you said you did not like the
=> song and it was Nadeem-Shravanish. And now you are telling that was a
=> nice song. And quite RD-esque too !!!
=>
=> Please clarify :)
These are indeed the beginnings of the disease called "put-my-foot-in-my
mouth-everytime-I-open-it" in me :-( :-( ... actually, Kuntalbhai, I
was speaking of the song that Shahrukh-Suchitra-et al sing at the
wedding of their friends ... it's the song that is sung then ...
remember, Tiku Talsania comes to attend the reception party too (it's
being held in some kind of a garden) ... Mr. Talsania enters the party
on a wheel chair, all beaten up and bandaged, but by the time the song
ends, he's kicked off the plaster cast on his leg and is dancing as
merrily as the rest of the gang! It's this song in which Suchitra and
Depak Tijori (I believe that's how he spells his name?) discover their
love for each other ... I remember feeling disappointed in Suchitra
for doing this (even the second time I saw the film ... I kept hoping
that she'd mend her ways and fall for Shahrukh instead :-( :-() ...
this is the song which has Depak Tijori gazing soulfully into
Suchitra's eyes as she lies on a hummock, while *junta* singers around
them are singing away to glory. Remember? What song is this?
It is *this* song that I was talking about. I mistakenly identified
the song with the New Year's Ball or whatever, instead of with the
Marriage Reception party ...
=> UVR> Ravindra. *now* do you believe that Rafi-ans listen to good
=> UVR> music, not just *old* music?
=>
=> Yes, but not enough, or rather, not carefully !!
You can say that again, Kuntal! I saw the film TWICE (for reasons I
have already mentioned), but still confused the songs and the scenes.
:-( :-(
Guess, we Rafi-ans should keep ourselves glued to scenes of
yesteryears! :-( :-(
=> -Kuntal.
=>
Ravindra.
Bowing before more accomplished people is not a sign of shame,
it's proof of your maturity!
U.V Ravindra
kuntal@damayanti (Kuntal Shah) writes:
=> UVR> Incidentally, are you also sure about the MM K(a)rim part? As far
=> UVR> as I know, Criminal is the remake of a Telugu film (I dunno its
=> UVR> name), and the MD for *that* film is MM Keeravani. I am almost
=> UVR> 99.9% sure that Keeravani is also the director for the Hindi
=> UVR> version. At least, this song sounds the same in Telugu and Hindi,
=> UVR> as far as the music goes.
=>
=> I watched tv today just to confirm this. They showed MD as M M Kreem ,
=> so I was almost correct. May be same guy MM Keeravani has been renamed.
=>
=> -Kuntal.
There could be some truth in what you say, because I confirmed
yesterday that the MD for the Telugu original is indeed MM Keeravani.
Either Keeravani has been renamed, or this guy Kreem is making his
debut with a plagiarized song! If the latter is the case, I'd like to
urge all like-minded RMIM-ers (Samibhai, Abhay and Pintu-ji, please
note) to shun this fellow Kreem!
Ravindra.
Kuntal, can you confirm the renaming part, please?
U.V Ravindra
kuntal@damayanti (Kuntal Shah) writes:
=> Ikram> *ing Rahul Roy and (ugh! yuch! aaaaaarghhh and other sounds of
=> Ikram> Pintuji clearing his throat from his memorable post on a poster
=> Ikram> posting about the ABCD babe's thread ) Mamta Kulkarni... (Btw,
=> Ikram> you can use those sounds for Rahul too but they ,I felt , are
=> Ikram> best reserved for Mamta K. Absolutely no flames will be
=> Ikram> tolerated on my opinion of Mamta , please so desist :).
=>
=> Great. You have given me the info I needed. Rahul Roy and Mamta K....
=> ummmm. My brain says they appeared only once together. The movie was
=> "Bhookamp", also starring Jeetendra. MD are N-S. Movie was released
=> in 1993. And song goes like this :
=>
=> Tum jo mile (your fillers )
=> Gulshan Khile ( fillers again )
=> Maheki maheki hawa hai
=> ?? ?? ye fizaN hai
=> Gaye jamiN jhume ye asmaN....
=> Aaj lage har nazara jawaaN.... tum jo mile.
=>
=> Right ?
=> I hope now UVR removes me from the blacklist.
=>
=> Ikram> And I never referred to the Parinda song at all.
=> So we know who should be blacklisted :)
=>
=> -Kuntal.
Okay, okay, blacklist me, Kuntal! I wonder why I'm not already on
your blacklist, thought, with my utter dislike of "modern" filmsongs
like "choli ke peeche," "darwajja khulla chhoD.e aayi," "laal laal
hoThoN pe gori kis kaa naam hai," and other such, which you might be
preferring over real gems like "ae husn zaraa jaag tujhe ishq
jagaaye," "manamohanaa baD.e jhooThe" or "aawaaz de kahaaN hai" etc by
Rafi Saheb, Lata-ji and Malika-e-Tarannum Mohtarema Noorjehan :-) :-)
Still, to each man his own poison, said Shakespear.
Ravindra.
I sometimes call myself Sheik Spear :-) :-)
U.V Ravindra
=> As for UVRji and his bettin' habits, all I can say is this,
=>
=> Buri aadat hai yeh, aadat abhi badal dalo
=> KK in "ke pag ghungroo" from Namak Halal
=> { Nothing like quoting a KK song to a Rafi-an if you want to rub it in :)
=> :)}
yeh to dosti ke KHilaaf saraasar GHaddaari hui, Ikrambhai! ;-) :-)
lekin aap ki advice sar aaNkhoN par ... aaindaa kabhi BETTING kaa naam
nahiN looNgaa ... as I said, my intuition (what is there of it) seems
to fail everytime I want to place a bet!
aur naye gaanoN ke baare meiN kyaa kah saktaa hooN maiN, jab maiN un
ko ek kaan se sun kar, doosre kaan se nikaal detaa hooN. bas donoN
kaanoN ke beech meiN zaraa saa, chhoTaa saa dimaaGH kaa ek soKHtaa
hai, jo kuch achchi tunes to "choos(e?)" [:-)] kar rakh letaa hai ...
=> Btw, I am almost certain that the Music directors of Bhookamp were Jatin
=> Lalit.
=>
=> Later,
=> Ikram.
=>
=> : -Kuntal.
Ravindra.
Who has learnt that keeping quiet in the presence of great
men is the only wise thing an ignoramus can do.
Neeraj Deshmukh
:> These are indeed the beginnings of the disease called "put-my-foot-in-my
:> mouth-everytime-I-open-it" in me :-( :-( ... actually, Kuntalbhai, I
:> was speaking of the song that Shahrukh-Suchitra-et al sing at the
:> wedding of their friends ... it's the song that is sung then ...
:> remember, Tiku Talsania comes to attend the reception party too (it's
:> being held in some kind of a garden) ... Mr. Talsania enters the party
:> on a wheel chair, all beaten up and bandaged, but by the time the song
:> ends, he's kicked off the plaster cast on his leg and is dancing as
:> merrily as the rest of the gang! It's this song in which Suchitra and
:> Depak Tijori (I believe that's how he spells his name?) discover their
:> love for each other ... I remember feeling disappointed in Suchitra
:> for doing this (even the second time I saw the film ... I kept hoping
:> that she'd mend her ways and fall for Shahrukh instead :-( :-() ...
:> this is the song which has Depak Tijori gazing soulfully into
:> Suchitra's eyes as she lies on a hummock, while *junta* singers around
:> them are singing away to glory. Remember? What song is this?
:> It is *this* song that I was talking about. I mistakenly identified
:> the song with the New Year's Ball or whatever, instead of with the
:> Marriage Reception party ...
That song is 'Kyon na hum kisi se pyaar kare...'. What the hell,
let's just list all the songs of KHKN and put an end to this debate :-)
Might save UVR some money in the future... ;-)
1. Deewana dil deewana
2. Ae kaash ke hum hosh mein...
3. Sachchi yeh kahaani hai...
4. Woh to hai albela...
Am I missing any?
Ciao,
ND
U.V Ravindra
(Neeraj Deshmukh) writes:
=>
=> U.V Ravindra (uvr@tata_elxsi.soft.net) wrote:
=>
=> :> These are indeed the beginnings of the disease called "put-my-foot-in-my
=> :> mouth-everytime-I-open-it" in me :-( :-( ... actually, Kuntalbhai, I
=> :> was speaking of the song that Shahrukh-Suchitra-et al sing at the
=> :> wedding of their friends ... it's the song that is sung then ...
=> :> this is the song which has Depak Tijori gazing soulfully into
=> :> Suchitra's eyes as she lies on a hummock, while *junta* singers around
=> :> them are singing away to glory. Remember? What song is this?
=>
=> That song is 'Kyon na hum kisi se pyaar kare...'. What the hell,
=> let's just list all the songs of KHKN and put an end to this debate :-)
=> Might save UVR some money in the future... ;-)
Neerajbhai-of-the-Deshmukh-clan!
Thanks! That's the song I was talking about! And Kuntaljibhai Shah,
you'll agree that this song sounds RD-esque. 'ae kaash ke ham'
doesn't sound RD-esque at all ... not to my ears at least!
=>
=> 1. Deewana dil deewana
=> 2. Ae kaash ke hum hosh mein...
=> 3. Sachchi yeh kahaani hai...
=> 4. Woh to hai albela...
Thanks for the listing, Neeraj!
Ravindra.
Mohammed A. Saleem
> comparison, but in Telugu film music, M.M. Keeravani is a lot like what
RR is to
> Hindi Music. An MD with extremely 'identifiable' music, who is
capable of good
> music, but tends to resort to copying as an easy way out.
Kshana Kshanam (which
> was dubbed into Hindi as 'Hairaan', starring Sridevi and Nagarjuna)
was his first
> venture followed by 'Seetaramayya Gari Manavarallu', both of
which showed a lot
> of promise.
>
M.M.Keeravani is one of the busiest music director in Telugu,
doesn't mean that he is that good. He did show promise in the above
mentioned movies. He has not been good in movies after that.
>
>> And lastly, Kshanakshanam was *not* released after Sliver, IMO. But
>> then, kshanakshanam is also not the name of the Telugu version of
>> Criminal, as you wrongly seem to be assuming. Kshanakshanam was
>> dubbed into Hindi, I think, and starred Venkatesh and Sridevi, whereas
>> Criminal has been remade/dubbed (I don't know which) into Hindi from
>> it's Telugu original, and stars NAGARJUNA and Manisha Koirala.
>
The name of the movie is same bothin Hindi and Telugu : Criminal.
It is based on the hollywood hit "The Fugitive". It is ofcourse,
indianized, with songs and a triangle (Nagarjuna, Manisha and Ramyakrishna)
It was directed by Mahesh Bhatt. I think it was a flop both in Hindi
and Telugu. Except one song ("Tume Mile...", which is so so), the other
songs and the movie is below average.
>
> Kshana Kshanam was released sometime around Nov-Dec of 1991 for sure. It was the
> hot favorite of all my nieces and nephews during my sister's wedding, especially
> Sridevi's antics.
>
>
>> Someone like S. Jagadish would perhaps be able to give us the real
>> name of the film Criminal in Telugu, but for some reason, methinks the
>> Telugu original was also called "Criminal."
>
Yes it is correct. I can tell this with authority because I have
seen the Telugu version.
>
> I think so too, though I maybe grossly wrong. There was a Telugu movie by that
> name released sometime in mid or late 1994, which starred Nagarjuna. Or wait,
> maybe the Hindi 'Criminal' maybe a remake of the Telugu 'Antham' which starred
> Urmila Matondkar. HEY! 'Antham''s MD was R.D. BURMAN!! Now I remember! So that's
> how this thread is relevant to rmim. :) Antham had a *decent* okayish soundtrack,
> though nothing close to what you'd expect from RDB. There was a Kavitha
> Krishnamurthy solo in it that's pretty freaky and fun to listen to. I'd like to
> hear more on this movie if anyone has heard the songs.
>
The music for "Antham" (*Nagarjuna and Urmila) is by RDB. It was decent,
going by the telugu movie standards but IMHO far below par, coming from RDB.
It had couple of interesting tunes, but was too loud overall. Probably RDB and
RamGopal Verma thought that Telugu movie goers like loud music, because
Gang Leader, (*Chiranjeevi, Music: Bappi Lahri) was loud and was a hit.
>
>> All this doesn't mean that my opinion of MMK as a talentless MD has
>> changed. I still consider him to be slightly short on that aspect of
>> music direction. Of course, what I'll grant him is that he's got an
>> absolutely blown sense of orchestration, which makes most of his songs
>> a pleasure to listen to (no jarring interludes and no stupid sounds in
>> the middle to distract you, et all that sort of thing).
>
>
> True to a large extent. He's dished out some real crap too though. Including
> jarring music and jhankaar beats and the works. But Kshana Kshanam to date
> remains his best ever. The SPB-Chitra duet 'ammayi muddu ivvande' the SPB solo
> 'jaamu raathiri jabilamma' are fantastic, instrumentation wise and SPB and Chitra
> run circles around you in the first song especially.
>
> I'd like to know more about this Criminal business though. Was it Antham's remake
> or 'Gaayam's remake? Gaayam incidentally had the distinction of being a
> Mani Rathnam-Ram Gopla Verma dual directed movie,
> again with Urmila Matondkar in
> it.
>
> Renu.
"Gaayam" was not dual directed. Mani Ratnam and Ram Gopal Verma both worked
on the story and screen play together. It was directed by Ram Gopal Verma.
"Antham" was dubbed into Hindi and was called "Drohi" (too much violence)
and both were flops, I think.
Ram Gopal Verma gave good movies like "Shiva" "Money" and "Kshnam Kshnam".
"Gaayam" was OK too. His next venture is "Rangeela" (much discussed on RMIM
due to Rehman :)).
Saleem
(Imposter acc. to Sami)
>
U.V Ravindra
rth...@cctr.umkc.edu (Renu Thamma) writes:
=> U.V Ravindra writes:
=>
=> > =>UVR> this is in a style that sounds like some countrymade-mixture of
=> > =>UVR> Ilaiyaraja+Rehman. I don't mean to belittle MMK's achievements,
=> > =>UVR> but I somehow can't help feeling that they guy suffers from a
=> > =>UVR> dearth of the kind of talent needed for MD's to make it big on
=> > =>UVR> their own.
=>
=>
=>I don't mean to bring Rajesh Roshan into the picture except for the sake of a
=>comparison, but in Telugu film music, M.M. Keeravani is a lot like what RR is to
=>Hindi Music. An MD with extremely 'identifiable' music, who is capable of good
=>music, but tends to resort to copying as an easy way out. Kshana Kshanam (which
=>was dubbed into Hindi as 'Hairaan', starring Sridevi and Nagarjuna) was his first
=>venture followed by 'Seetaramayya Gari Manavarallu', both of which showed a lot
=>of promise.
=>
=> Kshana Kshanam was released sometime around Nov-Dec of 1991 for
=> sure. It was the
=> hot favorite of all my nieces and nephews during my sister's
=> wedding, especially Sridevi's antics.
It's a hot fav. of mine too, Renu. The reason being that Sridevi
looks absolutely fab in this film ... the only other film in which
Sridevi looks equally ethereal is "JagadekaVeerudu, AtilokaSundari
(JVAS)" in which she acted opposite Chiranjeevi.
=> > Someone like S. Jagadish would perhaps be able to give us the real
=> > name of the film Criminal in Telugu, but for some reason, methinks the
=> > Telugu original was also called "Criminal."
=>
=> I think so too, though I maybe grossly wrong. There was a Telugu movie by that
=> name released sometime in mid or late 1994, which starred Nagarjuna. Or wait,
=> maybe the Hindi 'Criminal' maybe a remake of the Telugu 'Antham' which starred
=> Urmila Matondkar. HEY! 'Antham''s MD was R.D. BURMAN!! Now I remember! So that's
=> how this thread is relevant to rmim. :) Antham had a *decent* okayish soundtrack,
=> though nothing close to what you'd expect from RDB. There was a Kavitha
=> Krishnamurthy solo in it that's pretty freaky and fun to listen to. I'd like to
=> hear more on this movie if anyone has heard the songs.
PLN Murthy has already clarified that Criminal (of Hindi) was Criminal
(of Telugu). Speaking of RD's music for Atham, a lovely, soft,
sensuous song, with wonderful (Telugu) lyrics is there in this film;
the lyrics go somewhat like this:
"enta sepaina eduru choope naa, naa gati"
meaning, loosely, "taaqayaamat intezaar, kyaa yahi meri qismat hai?"
[ Waiting till eternity, is only this my fate?]
The bad part of this song is that it's been picturised on DiscoShanti
or one some similar looking horrid dame. The film was remade/dubbed
into Hindi (don't remember the name from PLNMurthy's post, sorry), but
the song (and, more importantly, the tune) were retained. The hindi
lyrics sound hopelessly out of place in the song, but the song in
Telugu has a *really* sensuous sound. A must-hear for *all* serious
RD fans and connoisseurs of good music.
BTW, I agree with Renu's opinion of MMK as the Telugu equivalent of
Rajesh Roshan.
=> > All this doesn't mean that my opinion of MMK as a talentless MD has
=> > changed. I still consider him to be slightly short on that aspect of
=> > music direction. Of course, what I'll grant him is that he's got an
=> > absolutely blown sense of orchestration, which makes most of his songs
=> > a pleasure to listen to (no jarring interludes and no stupid sounds in
=> > the middle to distract you, et all that sort of thing).
=>
=> True to a large extent. He's dished out some real crap too though. Including
=> jarring music and jhankaar beats and the works. But Kshana Kshanam
=> to date remains his best ever. The SPB-Chitra duet 'ammayi muddu
=> ivvande' the SPB solo 'jaamu raathiri jabilamma' are fantastic,
=> instrumentation wise and SPB and Chitra run circles around you in
=> the first song especially.
Nice that you brought up the topic of the "ammayi muddu ivvande" song.
IMO, it's MMK's best EVER. However, you'll be surprised to note that
I could discern minor strains of plagiarism in this song too! Listen
to the last lines of the 'antaraa-s' (what's called "charanam" back
home in AP). The three-four couple of lines sound EXACTLY like "yeh
samaa, samaa hai yeh pyaar kaa". nahiN RMIM, mere kaan nahiN baj rahe
haiN, because I noticed this similarity the first time I ever heard
the song (when I was watching the film). Notwithstanding this
plagiarization (or perhaps because of it) this ranks in my scorecard
as MMK's best ever!
=> I'd like to know more about this Criminal business though. Was it
=> Antham's remake
=> or 'Gaayam's remake? Gaayam incidentally had the distinction of being a
=> Mani Rathnam-Ram Gopla Verma dual directed movie, again with Urmila
=> Matondkar in it.
=>
=> Renu.
=>
Ravindra.
I like new Telugu/Tamil film songs, too!
But I'm a Rafi FANatic.
Neha Desai
>The name of the movie is same bothin Hindi and Telugu : Criminal.
>It is based on the hollywood hit "The Fugitive". It is ofcourse,
>It was directed by Mahesh Bhatt. I think it was a flop both in Hindi
>and Telugu. Except one song ("Tume Mile...", which is so so), the other
>songs and the movie is below average.
Oh is it???.....when was it released in Hindi BTW???
--
-neha
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Ikram Ahmed Khan
: (Neeraj Deshmukh) writes:
: =>
: => That song is 'Kyon na hum kisi se pyaar kare...'. What the hell,
: => let's just list all the songs of KHKN and put an end to this debate :-)
: => Might save UVR some money in the future... ;-)
Actually, the song is ,
KyuN na hum milke pyaar kareN.
I did mentionit in the first post of this thread.
: Neerajbhai-of-the-Deshmukh-clan!
: Thanks! That's the song I was talking about! And Kuntaljibhai Shah,
: you'll agree that this song sounds RD-esque. 'ae kaash ke ham'
: doesn't sound RD-esque at all ... not to my ears at least!
: =>
: => 1. Deewana dil deewana
: => 2. Ae kaash ke hum hosh mein...
: => 3. Sachchi yeh kahaani hai...
: => 4. Woh to hai albela...
5. KyuN na hum milke pyaar kareN
6. Ho Anna mere pyaar ko na tum...
: Thanks for the listing, Neeraj!
: Ravindra.
Later,
Ikram.
Kuntal Shah
UVR> Neerajbhai-of-the-Deshmukh-clan!
UVR> Thanks! That's the song I was talking about! And Kuntaljibhai
UVR> Shah, you'll agree that this song sounds RD-esque. 'ae kaash ke
UVR> ham' doesn't sound RD-esque at all ... not to my ears at least!
Sorry UVR, but I can not recall the tune. I have seen KHKN only once,
unlike you. And the cassette I bought is one of those "combo" type;
which unfortunately doesn't have just one song; and it had to be one
you are talking about.
Anyway, since this thread mentioned J-L and Suchitra K.; I would like
to mention another thing:
Have you heard this song from movie Gangster ( Devsaab's ):
"Aaja gori bangar ki teri kamar pe choti latke hai
Nar naveli toofani tu, ada ye teri hatke hai "
The MD are J-L; and singers are Bali "Rap" Brahmbhatt and Suchitra K.
The song is horrible, and you will loose whatever admiration you have
for J-L and Suchitra K.
So beware. It is picturised on Deepak Tijori and some new babe. And it
seems it is doing well on Top 10 charts.
-Kuntal.