Laila Majnu: Madan Mohan, Jaidev
Ashok
Most of the songs of 'Laila Majnu' (6 out of 9) were composed by
Madan Mohan. The credits are as follows:
Madan Mohan
1. is reshmi paajeb ki jhankaar pe sadke
(Lata, Rafi)
2. ab agar ham se khudaai bhi khafaa ho jaae
(Lata, Rafi)
3. tere dar pe aaya huN
(Rafi)
4. hoke maayoos tere dar se sawaali na gayaa
(Rafi, Aziz NazaN, Shankar Shambhu, Ambar Kumar, &ch)
5. husn haazir hai muhabbat ki sazaa paane ko
koi patthar se na maare mere deewaane ko (Lata)
6. barbaad e muhabbat ki dua saath lie jaa
(Rafi)
Jaidev
7. lailaa majnu do badan ek jaan the (the song comes twice)
(Rajkumar Rizvi, Preeti Sagar, Anuradha, &ch)
8. kehna ek deewana
(Lata, Rafi)
9. ye daawaa aaj duniya bhar se
(Rafi)
Source: Geet Kosh
Ashok
Rajan P. Parrikar
In article <5cotmc$6...@lex.zippo.com>, Ashok <ADhar...@WorldBank.Org> wrote:
>Most of the songs of 'Laila Majnu' (6 out of 9) were composed by
>Madan Mohan. The credits are as follows:
>
>Madan Mohan
>
> (Rafi)
>
This is hard to stomach! I wonder what the source of Geet Kosh is.
This composition has Jaidev written all over it. One possibility is
perhaps that Madan Mohan composed the tune, died, then Jaidev did
the 'arrangement` and recorded it.
r
Surajit A. Bose
In article <5cqkgp$n...@lace.colorado.edu>, parr...@spot.Colorado.EDU
(Rajan P. Parrikar) wrote:
> >Madan Mohan
> >
> >6. barbaad e muhabbat ki dua saath lie jaa
> > (Rafi)
> >
> >Source: Geet Kosh
>
> This is hard to stomach! I wonder what the source of Geet Kosh is.
> This composition has Jaidev written all over it. One possibility is
> perhaps that Madan Mohan composed the tune, died, then Jaidev did
> the 'arrangement` and recorded it.
I agree with Rajan that barbaad-e-muhabbat sounds more Jaidev-ish than
MM-ish. But this song also showed up on one of HMV's Madan Mohan
compilations. The evidentiary value of that is dubious, of course. HMV
isn't exactly scrupulous about accuracy in its attributions. In fact, an
entire RJGK could probably be conducted on the theme, "Surprise! This
song's P-stats aren't what you and HMV think they are!" Any takers?
Here are some examples:
* tum jiiyo hazaaro.n saal from Sujata turned up on a 2-vol Geeta Dutt
compilation. The voice is Asha Bhosle's. I've also heard that kaali ghaTaa
chhaaye moraa jiiya tarasaaye has been attributed to Geeta Dutt on some
HMV cassette.
* In the 4-vol. Golden Collection of classical songs from movies, kaahe
tarasaaye jiyaraa has been attributed to Asha Bhosle and Lata Mangeshkar.
It's Usha Mangeshkar, not Lata. Of course, this collection of allegedly
classical songs includes "o sajanaa, barakhaa bahaar aayii" and "jaa rii
pavaniyaa" (great songs, but not classical), in addition to such
pseudo-classical songs as "sur naa saje" and "akeli huu.N mai.n piyaa aa."
* On the Hare Rama Hare Krishna cassette, one version of "phuulo.n kaa
taaro.n kaa" is listed as a Lata solo. Anybody who plays the cassette will
recognize that it's a duet with RD Burman. (The only RDB duet with anybody
besides Asha, perhaps?)
There are lots of others....
-s
Snehal B. Oza
>isn't exactly scrupulous about accuracy in its attributions. In fact, an
>entire RJGK could probably be conducted on the theme, "Surprise! This
>song's P-stats aren't what you and HMV think they are!" Any takers?
>Here are some examples:
>* tum jiiyo hazaaro.n saal from Sujata turned up on a 2-vol Geeta Dutt
>compilation. The voice is Asha Bhosle's. I've also heard that kaali ghaTaa
>chhaaye moraa jiiya tarasaaye has been attributed to Geeta Dutt on some
>HMV cassette.
Are you sure it's not Geeta ?! Whenever I have listenend to this song on Ceylone
(as the title music of one of their programme) my ears alywas signals-Geeta Roy!
It's really sounds like her. I will be more than surprised if it's really Asha.
May be there are two recordings available and the one HMV decided to release on
cassette is of Asha ?
Wondering
Snehal
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
bos...@nd.edu (Surajit A. Bose) writes:
> * On the Hare Rama Hare Krishna cassette, one version of "phuulo.n
> kaa taaro.n kaa" is listed as a Lata solo. Anybody who plays the
> cassette will recognize that it's a duet with RD Burman. (The only
> RDB duet with anybody besides Asha, perhaps?)
There is another Lata - RDB duet in 'Libaas' (can't recall the
song offhand). Plus RDB has a duet with Kishore (jaanejigar duniya
me.n from 'Pukaar'). Are we counting the group songs from 'Satte pe
Satta', 'Gol maal' etc?
In fact there was a thread on RDB's duets on RMIM a few months
back...
Ciao,
ND
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Nitin Sharma
Snehal B. Oza (sne...@sequent.com) wrote:
: >* tum jiiyo hazaaro.n saal from Sujata turned up on a 2-vol Geeta Dutt
: >compilation. The voice is Asha Bhosle's. I've also heard that kaali ghaTaa
: >chhaaye moraa jiiya tarasaaye has been attributed to Geeta Dutt on some
: >HMV cassette.
: Are you sure it's not Geeta ?! Whenever I have listenend to this song on Ceylone
: (as the title music of one of their programme) my ears alywas signals-Geeta Roy!
: It's really sounds like her. I will be more than surprised if it's really Asha.
I'm pretty sure it is Asha, irrespective of what HMV says.
I dont know if there is a version by Geeta, though.
The one on sujata cassette is by Asha.
-nitin
Malini
In article <5cu4bp$a...@news.informix.com>, rkri...@informix.com says...>:Are you sure it's not Geeta ?! Whenever I have listenend to this song on Ceylone
>: (as the title music of one of their programme) my ears alywas signals-Geeta Roy!
>: It's really sounds like her. I will be more than surprised if it's really Asha.
>: cassette is of Asha ?
>
>as you say there may be 2 versions of it. I am referring to the version
>which is in HMV tape and also in the film.
You're right. This song is by Asha. AFAIK, there is no Geeta version of this
song. There is a Geeta-Asha duet though in this movie which is dominated by
Geeta mostly, 'bachpan ke din bhi kya din thhe'.
-Malini
Ravi Krishna
Dr. Surjit Singh, a CALTECH dad
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
>
> In article <5cotmc$6...@lex.zippo.com>, Ashok <ADhar...@WorldBank.Org> wrote:
> >Most of the songs of 'Laila Majnu' (6 out of 9) were composed by
> >Madan Mohan. The credits are as follows:
> >
> >
> >6. barbaad e muhabbat ki dua saath lie jaa
> > (Rafi)
> >
> >Source: Geet Kosh
>
> This is hard to stomach! I wonder what the source of Geet Kosh is.
> This composition has Jaidev written all over it. One possibility is
> perhaps that Madan Mohan composed the tune, died, then Jaidev did
> the 'arrangement` and recorded it.
>
Hi Dr. Saahib:
The giit kosh has been compiled by Har Mandir Singh "Hamaraaz".
His sources are one or more of the following:
original publicity material distributed by the producers,
the actual records issued by the gramophone company,
actual lists and catalogs of records kept by the gramophone company,
interviews with the people involved in the movie,
such as actors, lyricists, poets, directors, MD's,
asstt. MD's, recordists, arrangers, orchestrizers, singers,
story writers, producers, art directors, film historians,
old and new radio and TV personalities, various officials and
workers of the NFAI Pune, editors and correspondents
of old and new film magazines, editors of giit koshes in
other languages.
This short list was compiled by reading various giit koshes
and articles by Har Mandir Singh. He is not infallible,
of course. But by actual counting of the differences between his
compilations and other equally authoritative sources, it has been
found that his accuracy is 99.9%.
Considering the fact that most MD's, lyricists, singers DO NOT HAVE
a list of what they did for a living, and Har Mandir did this as a
hobby,
the accuracy is unmatched.
I hope this helps.
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
Rajan P. Parrikar
"Dr. Surjit Singh, a CALTECH dad" <du...@ttacs.ttu.edu> writes:
>Hi Dr. Saahib:
>The giit kosh has been compiled by Har Mandir Singh "Hamaraaz".
>His sources are one or more of the following:
>original publicity material distributed by the producers,
>the actual records issued by the gramophone company,
>actual lists and catalogs of records kept by the gramophone company,
>interviews with the people involved in the movie,
>such as actors, lyricists, poets, directors, MD's,
>asstt. MD's, recordists, arrangers, orchestrizers, singers,
>story writers, producers, art directors, film historians,
>old and new radio and TV personalities, various officials and
>workers of the NFAI Pune, editors and correspondents
>of old and new film magazines, editors of giit koshes in
>other languages.
Thank you for the details. It still doesn't answer my question
(which I admit wasn't clear at the outset) - what is the source of
information for the Madan Mohan and Jaidev contributions to the film
under discussion? Does the cassette list them? If not, does the Kosh
footnote its 'non-standard' sources of information (I haven't seen
the Kosh myself)? As I had written earlier, I recall reading (can't
remember where) that barbAd-e-mohabbat was a Jaidev composition
(that seemed v plausible from the music itself) but now the Kosh
states otherwise. Hence the question.
Regards,
r
Arun Verma
Well, I am giving a piece of info on a tangent but acc. to HMV
barbad-e-mohabbat is a Madan Mohan composition (it appears
in HMV's Rafi sings for Madan Mohan collection) .
Arun
Dr. Surjit Singh, a CALTECH dad
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
>
> "Dr. Surjit Singh, a CALTECH dad" <du...@ttacs.ttu.edu> writes:
>
> >Hi Dr. Saahib:
>
> >The giit kosh has been compiled by Har Mandir Singh "Hamaraaz".
>
> >His sources are one or more of the following:
>
> >original publicity material distributed by the producers,
> >the actual records issued by the gramophone company,
> >actual lists and catalogs of records kept by the gramophone company,
> >interviews with the people involved in the movie,
> >such as actors, lyricists, poets, directors, MD's,
> >asstt. MD's, recordists, arrangers, orchestrizers, singers,
> >story writers, producers, art directors, film historians,
> >old and new radio and TV personalities, various officials and
> >workers of the NFAI Pune, editors and correspondents
> >of old and new film magazines, editors of giit koshes in
> >other languages.
>
> Thank you for the details. It still doesn't answer my question
> (which I admit wasn't clear at the outset) - what is the source of
> information for the Madan Mohan and Jaidev contributions to the film
> under discussion? Does the cassette list them? If not, does the Kosh
> footnote its 'non-standard' sources of information (I haven't seen
> the Kosh myself)?
Yes, the giit kosh is full of footnotes. In the case of conflicting
info, which could not be settled when a particular volume was printed,
Har Mandir Singh writes something like, "On the LP it is said that etc.,
however the MD says that etc. On the other hand the publicity booklet
says that etc."
In the case under discussion, the song barbaade mohabbat has superscript
1, and it is made clear that superscript 1 belongs to madan mohan (asstt
ghanashyaam). Jaidev's name has the double superscript 2*. The songs
numbered, 1a, 1b, 8 and 9 are superscripted 2. The meaning of the star *
is explained in a footnote, saying that the sangiit-sanyojak (music
arrangers) are shyaam raav, prabhaakar jog and gyaan.
Dr. saahib, you should really experience the giit kosh. I am a
theoretical physicist by training and not easy to impress. But I think
this saradaar's scholarship is worth at least five Ph. D.'s.
> As I had written earlier, I recall reading (can't
> remember where) that barbAd-e-mohabbat was a Jaidev composition
> (that seemed v plausible from the music itself) but now the Kosh
> states otherwise. Hence the question.
>
> Regards,
>
> r
Rajan P. Parrikar
"Dr. Surjit Singh, a CALTECH dad" <du...@ttacs.ttu.edu> writes:
>In the case under discussion, the song barbaade mohabbat has superscript
>1, and it is made clear that superscript 1 belongs to madan mohan (asstt
>ghanashyaam). Jaidev's name has the double superscript 2*. The songs
>numbered, 1a, 1b, 8 and 9 are superscripted 2. The meaning of the star *
>is explained in a footnote, saying that the sangiit-sanyojak (music
>arrangers) are shyaam raav, prabhaakar jog and gyaan.
Namashkar.
Without meaning to belabour the point, it still doesn't refer us to
the information source. For instance, did HMV roll out the details,
was it gotten from the film credits, or a private communication from
someone etc?
Be that as it may, I've been wrong before and perhaps I am again wrong
in this case. I will, however, retain my skepticism until such time when
I can investigate (if at all) it for myself.
Warm regards,
r
Ikram Ahmed Khan
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote:
> Thank you for the details. It still doesn't answer my question
> (which I admit wasn't clear at the outset) - what is the source of
> information for the Madan Mohan and Jaidev contributions to the film
> under discussion? Does the cassette list them?
I remember listening to Laila Majnu on two 45 rpm EPs, more than
a decade back. I still remember that the MDs were listed separately
for the songs.
However, I don't have any access to these now.
Later,
Ikram.