A couple of not so esoteric queries
Ambrish
before).
I was recently watching Aadmi (MD Naushad) and realized that the duet
"Kaisee haseen aaj bahaaron kee raat hai" is in the voices of Rafi and
Mahendra Kapoor in the film. The film credits show Rafi and Mahendra
Kapoor as the male singers and Lata as the female singer. The version of
this song that I have, is the one featuring the voices of Rafi and Talat
Mehmood. Could knowledgeable nettors provide some info about this? Was
this the time that Naushad and Talat had that purported fight the lead
to this version being re-recorded? Was it Manoj Kumar's influence that
saw the version featuring Mahendra Kapoor's voice see the light of the
day in the film? Is the version featuring Mahendra Kapoor's voice
available on tape?
Another query - Last night I was listening to the song "Unke sitam ne
loot liyaa" from Kali Ghata (1951) (MD - Shankar Jaikishen, Lyrics -
Hasrat Jaipuri). The tune sounded very similar to "UThaaye jaa unke
sitam aur jiye jaa" (Andaaz, Naushad, Majrooh). This just me or do other
nettors see some similarities too? Another case of "inspiration"?
All responses appreciated.
Ambrish
HUN E LOVR
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Ambrish <samb...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> Another query - Last night I was listening to the song "Unke sitam ne
> loot liyaa" from Kali Ghata (1951) (MD - Shankar Jaikishen, Lyrics -
> Hasrat Jaipuri). The tune sounded very similar to "UThaaye jaa unke
> sitam aur jiye jaa" (Andaaz, Naushad, Majrooh). This just me or do other
> nettors see some similarities too? Another case of "inspiration"?
>
> All responses appreciated.
>
> Ambrish
You are right. The first few notes are almost identical.
"UThaaye ja unke sitam" and "Unke sitam ne loot liya".
But thereafter the tunes become somewhat different.
"Aur jiye jaa~~aa~~aa" as against "Haae kya kareN".
Both are beautiful compositions. On her last tour of
USA, Lata made a point of singing the Naushad song at
her concerts.
"Kali Ghata" was a most enjoyable soundtrack, though the
film itself was mediocre. It was notable for the debut
of Bina Rai (who plays a French girl in the movie, believe
it or not) and Asha Mathur. While Bina Rai went on to
achieve stardom, Asha Mathur (after doing a few roles in
films like "Alif Laila" and "Poonam") faded away. She
married Producer Director Mohan Saigal who made films
like "New Delhi" and "Sawan Bhadon".
Other melodious songs from "Kali Ghata" are "Main ne kya
kiya" and "Ho~~madhur milan hai". My own favourite is
"Hum se na poochho koi pyaar kya hai, pyaar kya hai,
Poochho bahaar se....". It has some wondrous piano notes
in the beginning.
Afzal
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Ashok
Thanks, Afzal, for reminding us of the songs of 'Kali Ghata'.
I find "madhur milan hai sajanaa" a wonderful composition of
S-J. The icing on the cake is the Lata portion which goes
something like "dere na dere na dere na ho ...".
"uThaae jaa un ke sitam" brings to mind the discussion that
took place in RMIM a couple of year ago on "silent moments"
in some songs, the brief moment of musical surprise when the
singer halts a bit unexpectedly and the orchestration is so
designed to converge at the same spot and then take off. The
examples mentioned in the earlier discussion were
. chup hoo.N <> to kalejaa jaltaa hai
from "seene me.n sulagate hai.n aramaa.n" (Tarana)
and
. dha.Dak <> rahaa hai dil to kyaa
from "ye zi.ndagi usi ki hai" (Anarkali)
We can add
. uThaaye jaa un ke sitam <>
Don't recall if the 'Kali Ghata' song has the feature.
I remember there were disussions of the silent spot of
the following kind: "There is no silence. How can you
expect perfect vacuum in nature?" (Neha) and "Silence
can be defined as x decibels" (Pradeep).
Ashok
neha...@hotmail.com
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:
> Thanks, Afzal, for reminding us of the songs of 'Kali Ghata'.
> I find "madhur milan hai sajanaa" a wonderful composition of
> S-J. The icing on the cake is the Lata portion which goes
> something like "dere na dere na dere na ho ...".
Wow, Ashok!:) You are complimenting SJ!! Aaj surajdev kaunsi
disha se nikale hain?:)
> . chup hoo.N <> to kalejaa jaltaa hai
> from "seene me.n sulagate hai.n aramaa.n" (Tarana)
>
> and
>
> . dha.Dak <> rahaa hai dil to kyaa
> from "ye zi.ndagi usi ki hai" (Anarkali)
>
> We can add
>
> . uThaaye jaa un ke sitam <>
>
> Don't recall if the 'Kali Ghata' song has the feature.
>
> I remember there were disussions of the silent spot of
> the following kind: "There is no silence. How can you
> expect perfect vacuum in nature?" (Neha) and "Silence
What does 'perfect vacuum in nature' mean? Since I dont
understand that term, I refuse to accept that this was
my statement. Opinion, yes, I dont accept the above marked
<> as pauses. For some reason, it seems more like a Hrishi
wording when he writes ATMJH. It certainly isnt mine so
dont attribute it to me Ashok-ji!
--
Neha
PS: I wonder how Mr. Sareen has never commanded Hrishi Dixit
to go easy on the english:)
nawat...@my-dejanews.com
> Thanks, Afzal, for reminding us of the songs of 'Kali Ghata'.
> I find "madhur milan hai sajanaa" a wonderful composition of
> S-J. The icing on the cake is the Lata portion which goes
> something like "dere na dere na dere na ho ...".
>
:-) Never thought I would live to see the day when Ashok would be
complimenting SJ but I guess one lives and learns.
A song that has a more definitive pause would be "ai dil-e-nadaa.N.. " from
Razia Sultan. Remember the line: "ye zamii.n chup hai <pause> aasmaa.N chup
hai" The only problem is that in the pause one can hear some percussion
instrument (tabla?) give out two beats, like a heartbeat which is referred to
in the next line "phir ye dha.Dakan-sii....". So maybe it doesn't qualify on
the grounds of "pure" silence.
Another song with that I remember with a delightful pause is "Tha.de rahiyo O
baa.Nke yaar re" from Pakeezah. The line "bole chhamaa-chham paayal nigo.Dii"
is followed by some 'bols' and then by a sitar interlude (the sitar is the
main instrument IIRC) and then the pause, followed by "...nigo.Dii~... bole
chhamaa- chham...". Delightful!
Nita
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nawat...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
>
> > Thanks, Afzal, for reminding us of the songs of 'Kali Ghata'.
> > I find "madhur milan hai sajanaa" a wonderful composition of
> > S-J. The icing on the cake is the Lata portion which goes
> > something like "dere na dere na dere na ho ...".
> >
>
> :-) Never thought I would live to see the day when Ashok would be
> complimenting SJ but I guess one lives and learns.
I think Ashok has always maintained that S-J did give some
excellent music in the fifties.
And, in any case, agar subah ka bhoola.......
Afzal
> Nita
SKalra902
>:-) Never thought I would live to see the day when Ashok would be
>complimenting SJ but I guess one lives and learns.
And Neha had written something about 'aaj surajdev kaun si disha se nikale
hain", etc. :))
I have always maintained that one's opinion about any composer is initially
formed by the first exposure to that composer's creation(s).
Could it be that Ashok heard more of their 60's and 70's compositions, before
listening to their music from films of the 50's?
In any event, a rose is a rose ...........
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Ambrish
Talking about the songs in Kali Ghata (MD Shankar-Jaikishen), here is
the list of songs that I have on my CD -
1. Madhur Milan Hai Sajanaa (Lata and Rafi, Hasrat)
2. Ille Belle Aare (Lata, Shailendra)
3. Unke Sitam Ne Loot Liyaa (Lata, Hasrat)
4. Maine Kyaa Kiyaa Sitam (Lata, Hasrat)
5. Humse Na Poochho Koi Pyaar Kyaa Hai (Lata, Hasrat)
6. Dil Mein Tu Mere Dil Mein Tu (Lata, Hasrat)
A very neat collection of songs, imho.
To add to the star-cast info provided by Afzal, the hero of the film was
Kishore Sahu, I think.
Ambrish
il_...@yahoo.com
Yes. He was the hero, though he looked gaunt and almost
cadaverous. I think he also produced the movie. Another
movie where he played the hero was "Mayurpankh" which also
had some great music by Shankar-Jaikishan. The songs I
remember most from this film are "KhushiyoN ke chaand
muskuraaye re, Dekho mast zamaane aaye re" and "Mohabbat ki
dastaaN aaj suno, yeh mohabbat ki dastaaN suno". A very
young Helen sings it in the film, though there is no dance.
Could have been one of her earliest movies. The late
Sumitra Devi looked enchantingly beautiful.
I think Kishore Sahu hailed from Nagpur and joined the film
industry in the mid-forties, acting as the leading man in
films like "Punar Milan". "Kali Ghata" and "Mayurpankh"
are virtually his swan song as a hero. Later,he appeared as
a character artiste in some of Dev Anand's movies, such as
"Kala Pani", "Kala Bazar" and "Guide".
To complete the main star cast of "Kali Ghata", it also had
Ulhas who marries Asha Mathur and lives to regret it (and
dies in the end). Also Cuckoo, who used to be a ubiquitous
fixture in movies around the time. The last song in the
above list "Dil men tu, mere dil men tu" is in fact the first
song in the movie and is picturised on Cuckoo. The film also
had Gope who provided some funny moments. He was one of the
comedians in the earlier era who did not resort to vulgarity
while amusing the audience with their antics. He died around
1956 or 1957. I think "Night Club" stg. Ashok Kumar and
Kamini Kaushal was his last movie.
Afzal
Ambrish
HMV released Kali Ghata (1951, Hindustan Chitra) and Mayurpankh, both
MDed by Shankar-Jaikishen, on one CD. Here are the songs from Mayurpankh
(1954, Sahu Films Limited) on the CD -
1. Mohabbat Ki Dastaan (Lata, Hasrat)
2. Yeh Barkhaa Bahaar (Lata and Asha, Shailendra)
3. Khusiyon Ke Chaand Muskuraaye (Lata, Hasrat)
4. Main To Chaloon Pachhim (Lata, Shailendra)
5. Tu Kyon Mujhko Pukaare (Lata, Hasrat)
6. Tandana Tandana Tandana (Lata and Chorus, Hasrat)
Another very neat collection.
I think Kishore Sahu also produced "Hare Kaanch Ki Choodiyaan", starring
Biswajeet and Naina Sahu. Was Naina Sahu related to Kishore Sahu in any
way?
Ambrish
il_...@yahoo.com
Yes. She was his daughter from his second marriage. She was
quite plain looking but had considerable acting ability.
But looks being important in the film industry, she soon
faded away. Kishore Sahu had earlier married Sneh Prabha
Pradhan, his leading lady from the film "Punar Milan". The
film is still remembered for the song "Naacho naacho, pyare
man ke mor". Unfortunately, the marriage ended in a messy
divorce. Sneh Prabha died a few years back. Kishore Sahu
had died earlier from a heart attack. His son, Naina's
brother, did a few minor film roles, including one in the
Amitabh, Hema starrer "Satte pe Satta", where he was one of
Amitabh's brothers.