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Satish Kalra

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Jul 5, 2004, 12:24:12 PM7/5/04
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Another meet is now over. While the (in)formal report will soon be put up
by the offcial scribe in due course, let me take this opportunity to be the
first one to thank Anant Rege, his wife Aparna and his entire family and
friends, who went to extraordinary lengths to make this occasion a memorable
one and to ensure that everyone was well taken care of, both in logistic
comforts and food.

A special word of thanks to Jayant for throwing open his entire house to the
pack of six that attacked his quiet neighborhood, and for even making sure
that his cat was out for the night so that she could not disturb the guests
by her meows. It was an intersting spectacle to watch him giving a thumping
"champii" to her and her extreme contentment and enjoyment and wanting more
and more of it. :)

--
Happy Listenings.

Satish Kalra


rkusenet

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Jul 5, 2004, 12:36:29 PM7/5/04
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"Satish Kalra" <Satish...@comcast.net> wrote

> let me take this opportunity to be the
> first one to thank Anant Rege, his wife Aparna and his entire family and
> friends, who went to extraordinary lengths to make this occasion a memorable
> one and to ensure that everyone was well taken care of, both in logistic
> comforts and food.

I agree 100%.

It was easily one of my most enjoyable day I had in recent years. All RMIM
characters were as interesting in real life as in RMIM.

I will write my comments in another few days. Work is keeping my busy since Sunday.
I had to disappear during the meet few times to attend conference call, before
eventually I decided to leave on Saturday night itself.

rk-


ek bharateeya

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Jul 5, 2004, 9:34:55 PM7/5/04
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as i look forward to reports of this meet, i have a question - is
there a site that stores memories of all the ghosts of rmim meets
past?

thanks,
-ek bharateeya

"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<2ktedjF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> "Satish Kalra" <Satish...@comcast.net> wrote
>
[snipped]
>
> rk-

Srinivas Ganti

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Jul 5, 2004, 10:20:47 PM7/5/04
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"ek bharateeya" <vij...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f34a95.04070...@posting.google.com...

> as i look forward to reports of this meet, i have a question - is
> there a site that stores memories of all the ghosts of rmim meets
> past?
>
> thanks,
> -ek bharateeya


http://thaxi.hsc.usc.edu/rmim/satish/prev.html

has some of them.

www.rmim.net used to have some of the latter ones but
the domain seems to have been taken by someone else.

sg.


Afzal A. Khan

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Jul 6, 2004, 3:39:25 AM7/6/04
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ek bharateeya wrote:
>
> as i look forward to reports of this meet, i have a question - is
> there a site that stores memories of all the ghosts of rmim meets
> past?
>
> thanks,
> -ek bharateeya

I hope no one is planning to exorcise them !


Afzal

Surjit Singh

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Jul 6, 2004, 7:38:44 AM7/6/04
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I want to join this chorus. Ab fab meet, aber faber participants and
abest fabest hosts! pugree off to Anant and Aparna!!!

As usual, my quiz was the best!

--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.

Visit my home page at
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html

Ashok

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:41:54 AM7/6/04
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In article <2kvha6F...@uni-berlin.de>, surjit...@yahoo.com says...

>
>I want to join this chorus. Ab fab meet, aber faber participants and
>abest fabest hosts! pugree off to Anant and Aparna!!!
>
>As usual, my quiz was the best!
>
>Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.


No. For one thing, it was less quizzical than that of guri's.


Ashok

anil11...@yahoo.com

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Jul 6, 2004, 11:14:45 AM7/6/04
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"Afzal A. Khan" <me_a...@privacy.net> wrote in message news:<40EA572D...@privacy.net>...


Is RMIM only for the rich and affulent ?
What about music lovers like me who can just manage to
reach the destination by bus , any help for them ?

Anil

Surjit Singh

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Jul 6, 2004, 12:19:42 PM7/6/04
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anil11...@yahoo.com wrote:

Yes. Take the bus. And one of the local hanumans will pick you up from
the bus station.

>
> Anil

--

Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.

Visit my home page at
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html

Surjit Singh

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Jul 6, 2004, 12:20:59 PM7/6/04
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Ashok wrote:

OK. Second best, but.

>
> Ashok
>

--

Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.

Visit my home page at
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html

Srinivas Ganti

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Jul 6, 2004, 12:37:56 PM7/6/04
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"Surjit Singh" <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2l01rdF...@uni-berlin.de...

>
> >>
> >>As usual, my quiz was the best!
> >>
> >>Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
> >
> >
> >
> > No. For one thing, it was less quizzical than that of guri's.
> >
>
> OK. Second best, but.


I heard that there were only two quizzes at the meet :)

sg.


Neha Desai

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Jul 6, 2004, 1:29:01 PM7/6/04
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Srinivas Ganti wrote:

>I heard that there were only two quizzes at the meet :)
>
>sg.
>

heard??

You mean you didn't go??? !!!

--
Neha

Srinivas Ganti

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Jul 6, 2004, 2:01:41 PM7/6/04
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"Neha Desai" <neha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Nopes been too busy.

But am planning things in advance this time
so as to not miss the next meet :)

sg.


Surjit Singh

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Jul 6, 2004, 2:06:51 PM7/6/04
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Srinivas Ganti wrote:

On the other hand, there were hundreds of discussions, heated arguments
and almost-coming-to-blows.

Example: I had talked to Surinder Dhall (first time attendee) just once
on the phone, we had exchanged exactly three emails. But when we met for
the first time, within minutes we were shouting at each other as if we
had known each other since childhood! Examples of things we said to each
other: You don't know anything. Have you ever even been to Pakistan?
That's impossible. Are you related to Har Mandir Singh? I don't believe
so and so has 200 unreleased songs of Rafi. I have thousands of Hindi
songs beginning from 1896. Etc.

These one-on-one (I and Surinder), one-on-many (Ravi Krishna shouting at
everybody), many-on-one (Everybody shouting the names of classic movies
from volumes 1-3 at Ravi Krishna), many-on-many (too many examples) are
the real reason anybody goes to these meets. Quizzes and other stuff is
just to sit down and relax.

>
> sg.
>
>

--

Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.

Visit my home page at
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html

Ashok

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Jul 6, 2004, 2:35:59 PM7/6/04
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In article <2l02t9F...@uni-berlin.de>, g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i#@hotmail.com says...

>
>I heard that there were only two quizzes at the meet :)
>
>sg.

What? There were so many quizlets, I have lost count. Let me
try out a couple that I remember on the hapless non-attendee
crowd. All who didn't attend the meet are encouraged to respond.
Let us see if you'd have done better had you been there. Here's
the first one:

Shakeel Badayuni is tops in terms of the number of songs written
for Naushad. Name the lyricist who comes next.


Ashok

naniwadekar

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Jul 6, 2004, 2:39:50 PM7/6/04
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"Ashok" <adhareshwar@gNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote -

>
> Shakeel Badayuni is tops in terms of the number of songs written
> for Naushad. Name the lyricist who comes next.
>

D N Madhok ?


- dn

Loony Tunes

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Jul 6, 2004, 4:09:43 PM7/6/04
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"Ashok" <adhareshwar@gNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Shakeel Badayuni is tops in terms of the number of songs written
> for Naushad. Name the lyricist who comes next.

Qamar Jalalabadi

>
>
> Ashok
>


Balaji Murthy

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Jul 6, 2004, 4:03:32 PM7/6/04
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I'd concur.

- Balaji

Surjit Singh

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Jul 6, 2004, 4:26:16 PM7/6/04
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Ashok wrote:

Another long quizlet (probably wont be in the official report) took
place between Dr. Kapoor and Satish with I and Abhay joining in
sometimes. This was the saying of dialogs from the movies to each other:

Examples:

ye mehfil me.n sannaaTaa kyon chhaa gayaa hai
jab tak vo merii beTii thii
hamaara Kuun Kunn hai

based aminly om volumes 1-3 with sometimes even coming to qadar khan movies.

>
> Ashok
>

--

Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.

Visit my home page at
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html

rkusenet

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Jul 6, 2004, 4:30:12 PM7/6/04
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"Surjit Singh" <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote

> These one-on-one (I and Surinder), one-on-many (Ravi Krishna shouting at
> everybody), many-on-one (Everybody shouting the names of classic movies
> from volumes 1-3 at Ravi Krishna), many-on-many (too many examples) are
> the real reason anybody goes to these meets. Quizzes and other stuff is
> just to sit down and relax.

ha ha.

Another example of many-on-one was when I joined on Friday
evening. The moment I introduced myself, shouts of "mahachor"
greeted me.

rk-


Sreenivas Paruchuri

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Jul 6, 2004, 5:09:44 PM7/6/04
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Surjit Singh wrote:

> so and so has 200 unreleased songs of Rafi. I have thousands of Hindi
> songs beginning from 1896. Etc.

On a serious (!) note, do you or Mr. Dhall really have a song recorded
in 1896? Could you please provide the details; esp. the lable! I thought
that the first ever recording in Indic languages is from 1899 and the
recording itself took place in London. (cf. The Gramophone Company's
first Indian recordings; Michael Kinnear, 1994.) Also, Dr. Chandvankar
of SIRC, says that: "The first ever Indian voice was recorded in London
in 1899." see:

http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/indcent.htm

Could it be possible that one or other American/French/German lable
(Pathé, Columbia, ...) indeed recorded a song in Hindi before 1899!

Regards,
Sreenivas

Surjit Singh

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Jul 6, 2004, 5:41:27 PM7/6/04
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Sreenivas Paruchuri wrote:

> Surjit Singh wrote:
>
>
>>so and so has 200 unreleased songs of Rafi. I have thousands of Hindi
>>songs beginning from 1896. Etc.

I am probably misquoting him.

>
>
> On a serious (!) note, do you or Mr. Dhall really have a song recorded
> in 1896? Could you please provide the details; esp. the lable! I thought
> that the first ever recording in Indic languages is from 1899 and the
> recording itself took place in London. (cf. The Gramophone Company's
> first Indian recordings; Michael Kinnear, 1994.) Also, Dr. Chandvankar
> of SIRC, says that: "The first ever Indian voice was recorded in London
> in 1899." see:
>
> http://www.mustrad.org.uk/articles/indcent.htm
>
> Could it be possible that one or other American/French/German lable
> (Pathé, Columbia, ...) indeed recorded a song in Hindi before 1899!
>
> Regards,
> Sreenivas

--

Satish Kalra

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Jul 6, 2004, 7:17:21 PM7/6/04
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"ek bharateeya" <vij...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6f34a95.04070...@posting.google.com...
> as i look forward to reports of this meet, i have a question - is
> there a site that stores memories of all the ghosts of rmim meets
> past?
>
> thanks,
> -ek bharateeya


What makes you think that everyone who attended the past RMIM meets are
ghosts! And even if they were, how can a ghost have a memory! :-)

Afzal A. Khan

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Jul 6, 2004, 7:08:18 PM7/6/04
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> Satish Kalra


And even if a ghost has a memory, how can it be stored for
others to have a dekho ? !


Afzal

@bollyvista.com Amit Malhotra

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Jul 6, 2004, 7:26:09 PM7/6/04
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I wanted to add my two bits here as well. I just wanted to say that
it was a pleasure meeting everybody. Now at least i can say I have
met a few of you :-) and everybody was very nice, although most of
the songs that were discussed in quizzes were way over my head (most,
or I should rather say ALL). But it was fun none-the-less, watching
everybody trying to get the answer for Guri's quiz.

I hope I can get to see everybody and newer people next meet as well,
keep it in the east coast, will ya? :P

Warm Regards

Amit Malhotra

Animesh Kumar

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Jul 6, 2004, 7:51:09 PM7/6/04
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My guess is Majrooh Sultanpuri ...

>
>
> Ashok
>

--
PS: reply to animesh AT eecs.berkeley.edu

Saving Thyself from Spam

UVR

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Jul 6, 2004, 7:57:43 PM7/6/04
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Surjit Singh wrote:
>
> [...] there were hundreds of discussions, heated arguments
> and almost-coming-to-blows.

Oh man! How I wish I had been there to witness (the arguments).
Can't wait to read the meet report... who's doing it? RK?

-UVR.

rkusenet

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Jul 6, 2004, 9:08:12 PM7/6/04
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"UVR" <u...@hotmail.com> wrote

I think Vinayak Gore was taking notes of the meeting. So the official
report must come from him.

Here is the report from my side. Not an official one.

I left Toronto on Friday afternoon. On the way I picked up Mr. Surinder Dhall.
He entertained me with lot of information about old films and film music. One
of the information which rather stunned me was that Rafi had sung only ~5000
songs and his duet with Lata was a miserly 469. How come we keep hearing from
various sources, sometimes artist like Lata herself that they had sung some
5000 duets. He also told that Lata had sung only ~6000 songs, KK around ~5K.
Later on I found out that Asha is at #1 with 10K songs.
[ Quick question to SPB fans: How many songs has he sung ]

I didn't believe Mr. Dhall when he said that Shankar Jaikishan have composed only
~125 films. It was confirmed later that the figure is just about right. They
had composed ~135 films. I clearly remember reading in Shankar's obituaries (in 1987)
that the duo had composed > 200 films. In fact the figure varied from
200 to 300+. Gosh. How is such misinformation allowed in newspapers. Same
with Lata's number of songs. Claims like over 30K !!!!. I was told by Satish
that Lata's name was taken off from the GBOWR after it was challenged by
Vishwas Nerurkar of Gandhar fame.

Anyhow upon reaching Anant's house late in the evening, I was greeted with
chants of "mahachor" when I introduced myself. Looks like RDB is my claim
to fame in rmim. I had to clarify and reclarify that I don't hate RDB,
the way I hate Amit Kumar. In fact I like RDBs music, though I positively
dislike his fans. I quoted some 'quotable quotes' from pancham yahoo group,
much to the amusement of others.


The first question I asked Ashok was "what is palooka". Turned out to be
some P G Woodhouse thingy.

I had to admit, rather with shame, that I knew zilch about Anil Biswas.
I even declared that I have not heard of a single song of AB, only to
be corrected by Anant, Vinayak that I might have heard some songs without
knowing that it is composed by AB. Turned out to be right. "raahee matwale"
and "seenE mein sulgate haiN armaan" are the two ones I have definitely
heard and liked. When Vinayak told me that AB is much better than Madan Mohan
(my yardstick for melody), I really got interested in AB. Is he that good?

I had some interesting chats with Abhay Jain and Vinayak Gore, not to mention
Satish sahab and Surjit sahab. The last two are information bank when it comes to
hindi films and music. One of my lasting doubt was cleared by Satish that
there was never a binaca geet mala week in which all 16 songs composed
by SJ. A folklore/myth which I was also guilty of perpetuating. The best he
could recollect was 12, which is still very very impressive.

Upon my questioning, Ashok clarified that he doesn't dislike SDB, but dislikes
his fans. Yeah sounds familiar.

Guri sahab joined few hours later. I have met him before during 1997 West Coast
meet.

In quiz I flunked badly. Surjit sahab played title music of 32 films and asked
to identify the MD and if possible name of the movie. Satish sahab enjoyed it
by answering all the question. The only music I could identify was that of
RDB (seeta aur geeta). The other quiz by Guri was simply way out of my turf.
10 clips were played in DVD with intentionally mismatched song accompanying it.
They have to be matched. All pre 60s movies.

Some interesting opinions were expressed about what they think of a particular
MD or artist. I chipped in with my comments on KK :"he irreversibly declined
the standard of playback singing", something which Ashok agreed with me.

I had to disappear from quiz and eventually cut short my stay due to work
pressure.

I really enjoyed the meet. If possible, I plan to attend more of such meets
in future. IMO rmim gurus are far more knowledgeable about films/music than
journalists. In fact no comparison.

As many have already mentioned, the food was delicious. For me specially it
was heavenly because these days I am cooking (family in india on vacation).
Many many thanks to all ladies.

Abhay: Please post the url of the radio program you host.

cheers.

rk-
ps: if I missed something, I will add later.

rkusenet

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Jul 6, 2004, 9:09:55 PM7/6/04
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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote

> Some interesting opinions were expressed about what they think of a particular
> MD or artist. I chipped in with my comments on KK :"he irreversibly declined
> the standard of playback singing", something which Ashok agreed with me.

typo. should read "he irreversible lowered the standard"

Loony Tunes

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:15:21 PM7/6/04
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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2l10miF...@uni-berlin.de...

This is an interesting comment. In fact, what would be a good, acceptable
standard of playback singing. I am curious as to how you reached that
conclusion :-)

<rant>
Arent songs in films supposed to be composed for the situation? (not any
more of course). If we grant that the songs are situational, then the blame
should be on the director or the person who conceived that situation and
begged a tune be penned for that. The fact that a singer sang for that tune
is IMO not a measure of him lowering the standard of playback singing.

When good tunes are composed with good lyrics, any singer (worth the name)
does well (?) I am discounting the fact that Kishore by those standards
(trained) was limited. You could argue that he could have been picky an and
choosy with songs but that's an entirely different matter.

If a particular MD got him to sing a crappy song like "Jhopdi mein
chaarpaai" or "taaki taaki taaki taaki taaki re, jabse tuu aankh mein
jhaanki"....the very same people got Asha to sing crappier songs.

IMO, you cannot blame a talentless hack for lowering the standards ...its
the people who got him to sing and then persisted with him that actually
lowered the standards.

It's akin to saying X and Y politician ruined a country's future (democratic
republic), when it's the junta that elected this guy to the post.

</rant>


Satish Kalra

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:21:09 PM7/6/04
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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>

And a counterpoint was brought up by me re. Amitabh Bachchan being
responsible for that decline, IMO.

naniwadekar

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:27:47 PM7/6/04
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"Loony Tunes" <ltus...@yahoo.com> wrote -

>
> does well (?) I am discounting the fact that Kishore by those standards
> (trained) was limited. You could argue that he could have been picky an
and
> choosy with songs but that's an entirely different matter.
>
> ....the very same people got Asha to sing crappier songs.
>

Why is that a different matter? Kishore Kumar symbolised
1970s film music. Rafi in 1960s and KK in 1970s helped
lower the standard of playback singing irreversibly. You can
have an interesting discussion on whether it was due to
choosing songs which a singer ought to have enough sense
and/or dignity to reject or due to singing songs in an undesirable
manner but the net effect amounts to lowering the standards.

Asha combined the worst of Rafi and KK in her singing.


Artists touched with genius have a huge responsibility towards
their art. It is true that post-1970s monkeys would have unfailingly
found junk music to listen to. But it is also true that Lata and
Asha and Kishore had no qualms about singing songs they ought
to be ashamed of. (I am excluding Rafi because I don't think
much of him to begin with.)


- dn

Satish Kalra

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:41:55 PM7/6/04
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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2l10jbF...@uni-berlin.de...

> Here is the report from my side. Not an official one.

{....portions snipped....}

> I didn't believe Mr. Dhall when he said that Shankar Jaikishan have
composed only
> ~125 films. It was confirmed later that the figure is just about right.
They
> had composed ~135 films. I clearly remember reading in Shankar's
obituaries (in 1987)
> that the duo had composed > 200 films. In fact the figure varied from
> 200 to 300+. Gosh. How is such misinformation allowed in newspapers.

According to the encyclopaedia of Hindi Cinema, a total of 173 films, while
Vishwas Nerurkar's book has the count at 174. Close enough. May include
some regional film.

Same
> with Lata's number of songs. Claims like over 30K !!!!. I was told by
Satish
> that Lata's name was taken off from the GBOWR after it was challenged by
> Vishwas Nerurkar of Gandhar fame.

No. The challenge was made by Rafi in response to which the Guiness people
just removed the entry, although they did not publish any corrigendum.

> In quiz I flunked badly. Surjit sahab played title music of 32 films and
asked
> to identify the MD and if possible name of the movie. Satish sahab enjoyed
it
> by answering all the question.

I missed quite a few, as a matter of fact.

The only music I could identify was that of
> RDB (seeta aur geeta). The other quiz by Guri was simply way out of my
turf.
> 10 clips were played in DVD with intentionally mismatched song
accompanying it.
> They have to be matched. All pre 60s movies.

Total of 17 clips.

> I had to disappear from quiz and eventually cut short my stay due to work
> pressure.

We all too left very shortly after you guys did.

--
Happy Listenings.

Satish Kalra

PS: For me, the "RMIM meet" actually began on Wednesday, June 30 itself,
when Abhay Jain, Ashok, MLKapur, Surjit Singh and his wife Harmesh arrived
in Norristown. Ritu graciously agreed to come in the evening and made the
gathering delightful. We all left for Ottawa on Thurs. morning, and the
meet "ambience" continued throughout the 9+ hours of road travel.


naniwadekar

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:37:18 PM7/6/04
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"Satish Kalra" <Satish...@comcast.net> wrote -

>
> And a counterpoint was brought up by me re. Amitabh Bachchan being
> responsible for that decline, IMO.
>

I think there is a splendid passage in Geeta where Krishna
tells a hesitant Arjun that Kauravas are (morally) dead
anyway. 'You just be the instrument of their physical
liquidation.' But that doesn't mean the Pandavas should
not be given their due praise.

The film world found a morally decaying people in India
in 1970s and helped hasten the decline as best as it could.
It's true the public was already brain-dead but that doesn't
mean Kishore Kumar, Rahul F Burman and the sickening
Lamboo should not be held responsible for their part
in the sorry episode.


- dn

Satish Kalra

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:51:25 PM7/6/04
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"Surjit Singh" <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> anil11...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> > "Afzal A. Khan" <me_a...@privacy.net> wrote in message
news:<40EA572D...@privacy.net>...

> >
> >>ek bharateeya wrote:
> >>
> >>>as i look forward to reports of this meet, i have a question - is
> >>>there a site that stores memories of all the ghosts of rmim meets
> >>>past?
> >>>
> >>>thanks,
> >>>-ek bharateeya
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I hope no one is planning to exorcise them !
> >>
> >>
> >> Afzal
> >
> >
> >
> > Is RMIM only for the rich and affulent ?
> > What about music lovers like me who can just manage to
> > reach the destination by bus , any help for them ?

You sound exactly like someone else now. :-)

>
> Yes. Take the bus. And one of the local hanumans will pick you up from
> the bus station.

Without knowing the point of origin, how can one be sure that a bus service
exists. What if the starting point were in India!

rkusenet

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Jul 6, 2004, 10:47:11 PM7/6/04
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"Loony Tunes" <ltus...@yahoo.com> wrote

> This is an interesting comment. In fact, what would be a good, acceptable
> standard of playback singing. I am curious as to how you reached that
> conclusion :-)

I will, but later. May be in another few days.

rk-


Anant Rege

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Name the film in which Mukesh and Lata sang a duet under Naushad's baton.

naniwadekar

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"Anant Rege" <ar...@remove.this.crgroup.com> wrote -

>
> Name the film in which Mukesh and Lata sang a duet
> under Naushad's baton.
>

Seems like a trick question. Did they record a duet
for Andaaz which was not included in the film?


- dn

Ritu

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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<2l10jbF...@uni-berlin.de>...
> "UVR" <u...@hotmail.com> wrote
>
> > Surjit Singh wrote:
> > >
> > > [...] there were hundreds of discussions, heated arguments
> > > and almost-coming-to-blows.
> >
> > Oh man! How I wish I had been there to witness (the arguments).
> > Can't wait to read the meet report... who's doing it? RK?
>
> I think Vinayak Gore was taking notes of the meeting. So the official
> report must come from him.
>
> Here is the report from my side. Not an official one.

Thanks for the unofficial write-up. Reading about the fun you had
makes me go green with envy. I was extremely envious of everyone as
the planned their itinery on Wednesday evening.

Btw.. are you the unofficial bakra that Ashok conned in for the meet
report? Amit it seems did not get the ragging he was expecting.


>
> I didn't believe Mr. Dhall when he said that Shankar Jaikishan have composed only
> ~125 films. It was confirmed later that the figure is just about right. They
> had composed ~135 films. I clearly remember reading in Shankar's obituaries (in 1987)
> that the duo had composed > 200 films.

I am too surprised by the 135 figure. I had assumed they would have
atleast 300 films. That means they were more choosy than I thought
they were.


>
> Anyhow upon reaching Anant's house late in the evening, I was greeted with
> chants of "mahachor" when I introduced myself. Looks like RDB is my claim
> to fame in rmim. I had to clarify and reclarify that I don't hate RDB,
> the way I hate Amit Kumar. In fact I like RDBs music, though I positively
> dislike his fans. I quoted some 'quotable quotes' from pancham yahoo group,
> much to the amusement of others.

:) You are going to find it difficult to live down your RDB bashing.

> I had to admit, rather with shame, that I knew zilch about Anil Biswas.
> I even declared that I have not heard of a single song of AB, only to
> be corrected by Anant, Vinayak that I might have heard some songs without
> knowing that it is composed by AB. Turned out to be right. "raahee matwale"
> and "seenE mein sulgate haiN armaan" are the two ones I have definitely
> heard and liked. When Vinayak told me that AB is much better than Madan Mohan
> (my yardstick for melody), I really got interested in AB. Is he that good?

How did you manage that RK? I mean stay affiliated to RMIM for so many
years and miss out on the dazzling brilliance of Anil Biswas
completely? We pay obeisance to him here with amazing regularity. He
is RMIM's God. Someone who can do no wrong. And ofcourse he is
regularly used as a handle for your favourite exercise.. RDB Bashing.
And let me tell you, he is the same bloke who proclaimed with great
flourish on All India Radio that he could touch RDB's feet in
reverence for his brilliant compositional talent displayed so
tellingly in 'Aaja aaja mein hoon pyar tera'!

How *could* you be oblivious to Anil Biswas's aura? :)

Jokes aside, AB is miles better than MM (IMO). I find MM to be quite
predictable. .esp in the later era. It is interesting how people with
a greater exposure to the music of the 60s and 70s rate MM so highly.
I guess between SJ's 60s cacaphony, LP, KA and RDB.. MM was the
obvious choice (though we still have Khaiyyam and Jaidev who get left
out). But Anil Biswas is a class apart. He has much more variety,
depth and subtlety in his music than MM could ever summon. He does get
boring and predictable at times and I don't think he's the only GOD
that towers about the rest. But he is certainly one of the Gods of
film music. I would suggest the HMV Golden collection of Anilda (my
starting point to his music).


> there was never a binaca geet mala week in which all 16 songs composed
> by SJ. A folklore/myth which I was also guilty of perpetuating. The best he
> could recollect was 12, which is still very very impressive.

Wonder how much of it was manipulated?

>
> Upon my questioning, Ashok clarified that he doesn't dislike SDB, but dislikes
> his fans. Yeah sounds familiar.

What??? Ashok, I am flattering myself with the thought that it is
Ketan and Ganti who have caused that opinion :). Incidentally, RK you
too would then get into Ashok's 'disliked' list! Me thinks Ashok is
simply in denial mode. The brilliance of the Old Man is too much for
him to digest!

Incidentally, our die-hard SJ fan Satishji also confessed during a
conversation on Wednesday evening that even though he says he is an SJ
fan, his admiration for SDB is much greater. Right uncle?

> by answering all the question. The only music I could identify was that of
> RDB (seeta aur geeta). The other quiz by Guri was simply way out of my turf.
> 10 clips were played in DVD with intentionally mismatched song accompanying it.
>

Aha! So after all your RDB bashing, the only tune you could identify
is an RD tune. I think you too give company to Ashok in the 'denial
mode syndrome'

:)


> Some interesting opinions were expressed about what they think of a particular
> MD or artist. I chipped in with my comments on KK :"he irreversibly declined
> the standard of playback singing", something which Ashok agreed with me.

I tend to agree. Not because Kishore did not have the brilliance, but
because Kishore's genius and depth was impossible to clone, what did
get cloned was singing the Kishore's straight and simple way. But I
blame the MDs more than I blame him. He was utlised very well by the
previous generation MDs.

Ashok

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Among the music directors who made their debut in
the period 1950-1980, name those who did not employ
Lata in their debut soundtrack.

Ashok

Loony Tunes

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"Ashok" <adhareshwar@gNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
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> Among the music directors who made their debut in
> the period 1950-1980, name those who did not employ
> Lata in their debut soundtrack.

Some guesses,

O P Nayyar
Usha Khanna (sure about her)
Sonik Omi
Ravindra Jain

lt


Arunabha S Roy

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Loony Tunes wrote:
> "Ashok" <adhareshwar@gNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
> news:2l2lm9F...@uni-berlin.de...
>
>>Among the music directors who made their debut in
>>the period 1950-1980, name those who did not employ
>>Lata in their debut soundtrack.

Madan Mohan, Kanu Roy, Kishore Kumar.

rkusenet

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"Ritu" <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote

> How did you manage that RK? I mean stay affiliated to RMIM for so many
> years and miss out on the dazzling brilliance of Anil Biswas
> completely?

Somehow never got a chance.

> We pay obeisance to him here with amazing regularity. He
> is RMIM's God. Someone who can do no wrong. And ofcourse he is
> regularly used as a handle for your favourite exercise.. RDB Bashing.
> And let me tell you, he is the same bloke who proclaimed with great
> flourish on All India Radio that he could touch RDB's feet in
> reverence for his brilliant compositional talent displayed so
> tellingly in 'Aaja aaja mein hoon pyar tera'!

Oh c'mon he is 90. I have seen senility setting in some guys as early as
mid 50s.

> Jokes aside, AB is miles better than MM (IMO). I find MM to be quite
> predictable. .esp in the later era.

predictable!!! as in Dastak or Hanste Zahm.

> It is interesting how people with
> a greater exposure to the music of the 60s and 70s rate MM so highly.
> I guess between SJ's 60s cacaphony, LP, KA and RDB.. MM was the
> obvious choice (though we still have Khaiyyam and Jaidev who get left
> out).

IMO MM is way better than pahadi Khaiyyam. I like Jaidev, but he isn't MM
to me.

> Aha! So after all your RDB bashing, the only tune you could identify
> is an RD tune. I think you too give company to Ashok in the 'denial
> mode syndrome' > :)

bah. I cud have easily recognised a LP title music better than AnilDa
or any of 50s/60s films. That is more to do with me being familiar
with the 70s style than being a fan.

> I tend to agree. Not because Kishore did not have the brilliance, but
> because Kishore's genius and depth was impossible to clone, what did
> get cloned was singing the Kishore's straight and simple way. But I
> blame the MDs more than I blame him. He was utlised very well by the
> previous generation MDs.

Looney Tunes has asked me this question and I will definitely reply in
another few days.


Anant Rege

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"naniwadekar" <nani3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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No trick. Andaaz is wrong and the song concerned was in the film. You will
not get this one Nani. May be a hint for others.

Anant


Balaji Murthy

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Anant Rege wrote:

Saathi?

- Balaji

Loony Tunes

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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message

news:2l2o57F...@uni-berlin.de...


> > We pay obeisance to him here with amazing regularity. He
> > is RMIM's God. Someone who can do no wrong. And ofcourse he is
> > regularly used as a handle for your favourite exercise.. RDB Bashing.
> > And let me tell you, he is the same bloke who proclaimed with great
> > flourish on All India Radio that he could touch RDB's feet in
> > reverence for his brilliant compositional talent displayed so
> > tellingly in 'Aaja aaja mein hoon pyar tera'!
>
> Oh c'mon he is 90. I have seen senility setting in some guys as early as
> mid 50s.

Anil Biswas is no more. I saw a SaReGaMaPa episode, where he was the Judge
and he ended the episode with a song (i forget which one), that had some
life/death/sthirta overtones. That was probably his last appearance on TV.
He passed away shortly thereafter.

lt


@bollyvista.com Amit Malhotra

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On 7 Jul 2004 09:07:03 -0700, rc0...@rediffmail.com (Ritu) wrote:

>
>Btw.. are you the unofficial bakra that Ashok conned in for the meet
>report? Amit it seems did not get the ragging he was expecting.
>
>
>>

Amit actually didn't stay there long enough to give anybody the chance
to make him the bakra ;-) I was actually there on Saturday only for
few hours. But my timing coincided with the two quizzes, by Professor
Sahib and by Guri. I did have a few discussions, but nothing out of
the ordinary.

Amit Malhotra

yeskay

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The song was 'Door hato aeh duniyawalon, hindustan hamara hain'.

Animesh Kumar

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Arunabha S Roy wrote:

> Loony Tunes wrote:
>
>> "Ashok" <adhareshwar@gNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:2l2lm9F...@uni-berlin.de...
>>
>>> Among the music directors who made their debut in
>>> the period 1950-1980, name those who did not employ
>>> Lata in their debut soundtrack.
>
>
> Madan Mohan, Kanu Roy, Kishore Kumar.

Didn't Madan Mohan debut after world war II ? Adding some more names

Khayyaam (assuming footpath was his debut)
Babul
Daan Singh ;-)
C Arjun
Iqbal Qureshi (Cha cha cha?)
Jamal Sen
Lachhiraam
Nisar Bazmi
Sapan-Jagmohan

I hope these all are correct,

best
Animesh


>
>> O P Nayyar
>> Usha Khanna (sure about her)
>> Sonik Omi
>> Ravindra Jain
>
>

--

Loony Tunes

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"yeskay" <yes...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> The song was 'Door hato aeh duniyawalon, hindustan hamara hain'.

That sure didnt have any of those overtones I mentioned. Maybe a different
episode then.
The one I mentioned was actually a part of a preview that Shaan was hosting
(popular choice singers and stuff). In one of those previews, they replayed
a piece from an earlier episode that AB was judging. I was thinking about
that song. This preview chronicled a lot of the earlier generation
singers/MDs etc.

lt


rkusenet

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"Ritu" <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote

> Incidentally, our die-hard SJ fan Satishji also confessed during a
> conversation on Wednesday evening that even though he says he is an SJ
> fan, his admiration for SDB is much greater. Right uncle?

yup we had a chat on that. Both of us agreed that SJ debased HFM in 60s,
with a generous help of rafi and monkey shammi kapoor. Still if we filter out
their crap songs and just concentrate on good ones, their repertoire was
excellent. that's why I rate SJ highly.

Loony Tunes

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"Animesh Kumar" <ani...@eecs.berkely.edu> wrote in message
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> C Arjun

Is he related to C Ramchandra?

lt


Afzal A. Khan

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No. I think he is from the Sindhi community.

Afzal

Afzal A. Khan

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I don't recollect the song sung at the end of the
programme. But it was a regular SRGMP episode, one of
the earliest hosted by Shaan, not the Popular Choice
Singers Series currently going on. I think AB was
dressed in a light coloured ensemble, either a safari suit
or bush-shirt.

The news of his death came within a week of that episode.

Afzal

Loony Tunes

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"Afzal A. Khan" <me_a...@privacy.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> The news of his death came within a week of that episode.

I remember thinking at that time, that it was almost as if AB foresaw 'it'
to sing that particular song.

lt
[still sketchy about that SRGMP episode]


naniwadekar

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"Animesh Kumar" wrote -

>
> >>
> >>> Among the music directors who made their debut in
> >>> the period 1950-1980, name those who did not employ
> >>> Lata in their debut soundtrack.
> >
> >
> > Madan Mohan, Kanu Roy, Kishore Kumar.
>
> Didn't Madan Mohan debut after world war II ? Adding some more names
>
> Khayyaam (assuming footpath was his debut)
> Babul
> Daan Singh ;-)
> C Arjun
> Iqbal Qureshi (Cha cha cha?)
> Jamal Sen
> Lachhiraam
> Nisar Bazmi
> Sapan-Jagmohan
>
> I hope these all are correct,
>

Madan Mohan's debut was not before 1950, Khayyam
didn't debut with Footpath, Lachchhiram and Nisar
Bazmi made their debut before 1950, and assuming
Shokhiyan to be Jamal Sen's debut (I am 99% sure),
Lata did sing a song in the film. Why add names just
for the heck of it and then top it by hoping that *all* your
entries are likely to be correct? But then why not when
another poster can forward Qamar Jalalabadi's name as
the second most prolific lyricist for Naushad when keeping
shut would have been easier.

Aftermath of 4th of July, afterall music is just for fun, and,
have account will post... three cheers to free speech, I say.


- dn

Loony Tunes

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"naniwadekar" <nani3...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2l2ujuF...@uni-berlin.de...

> entries are likely to be correct? But then why not when
> another poster can forward Qamar Jalalabadi's name as
> the second most prolific lyricist for Naushad when keeping
> shut would have been easier.

Dude...heard the concept of a wild guess ? It happens in quizzes.

lt


Vijay Kumar K

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Animesh Kumar <ani...@eecs.berkely.edu> wrote in message news:<ccfdqr$1adu$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>...
> Ashok wrote:
> > In article <2l02t9F...@uni-berlin.de>, g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i#@hotmail.com says...
> >
> >>I heard that there were only two quizzes at the meet :)
> >>
> >>sg.
> >
> >
> > What? There were so many quizlets, I have lost count. Let me
> > try out a couple that I remember on the hapless non-attendee
> > crowd. All who didn't attend the meet are encouraged to respond.
> > Let us see if you'd have done better had you been there. Here's
> > the first one:
> >
> > Shakeel Badayuni is tops in terms of the number of songs written
> > for Naushad. Name the lyricist who comes next.
>
> My guess is Majrooh Sultanpuri ...
>
> >
> >
> > Ashok
> >

Majrooh started with Naushad and Shahjehan. They followed up with Andaaz. Then,
they did not work together for 20 years until Sathi. Naushad had hardly any
more output after that.

My first guess was DN Madhok, as well.

Vijay

Srinivas Ganti

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> "Ritu" <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote

Amit it seems did not get the ragging he was expecting.

He was there for only a few hours as he was busy.

apana khaandaan ka naam roshan karne me.n mashghool hai :)


> What??? Ashok, I am flattering myself with the thought that it is
> Ketan and Ganti who have caused that opinion :). Incidentally, RK you
> too would then get into Ashok's 'disliked' list! Me thinks Ashok is
> simply in denial mode. The brilliance of the Old Man is too much for
> him to digest!

I and Ketan have been here before u came but we never got as
bad a gaalii as a "Schmuck" from Sant Dhareshwar :)

sg.

Ket...@att.net

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In article <8777cccd.04070...@posting.google.com>, Ritu says...

>> Upon my questioning, Ashok clarified that he doesn't dislike SDB, but
>> dislikes his fans. Yeah sounds familiar.
>
>What??? Ashok, I am flattering myself with the thought that it is
>Ketan and Ganti who have caused that opinion :).

I think both Ashok and Ravi Krishna have natural and sufficient levels of
nincompoopness within themselves, so I don't think they need any outside
influences for them to act in this Dubya-like fashion. If one mimicked their
"thought-processes", and went by their bleatings, I should hate AB, CR and ILR
and we should all dislike Kishore, Asha, Lata, Rafi, RDB, Sahir, RC Boral,
Khemchand Prakash....etc thanks to the behaviour of their fans. All that this
episode in Ottawa should tell you is to not take either of them seriously on
matters of music.

Ofcourse Ganti is free to accept responsibility for the senility of these two
gents. :)


Ketan

rkusenet

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<Ket...@att.net> wrote in message news:cchh8...@drn.newsguy.com...

> In article <8777cccd.04070...@posting.google.com>, Ritu says...
>
> >> Upon my questioning, Ashok clarified that he doesn't dislike SDB, but
> >> dislikes his fans. Yeah sounds familiar.
> >
> >What??? Ashok, I am flattering myself with the thought that it is
> >Ketan and Ganti who have caused that opinion :).
>
> I think both Ashok and Ravi Krishna have natural and sufficient levels of
> nincompoopness within themselves, so I don't think they need any outside
> influences for them to act in this Dubya-like fashion.

There was some discussion about legality of music sharing in US vis-a-vis
Canada. Out here if I upload a song in coolgoose.com knowing fully well
that it will be downloaded by many, I can't be charged. The folks who
download can be charged. I believe in US I will be charged. In that context
Satishji mentioned that Ketan will be the right person to answer since
he is very knowledgeable about copyright act etc. I couldn't resist a barb
at you "as a RDB fan, he better be an expert in that". Satishji felt that
it was below the belt.

Seriously Ketan I missed you. I thought I would settle this RDB issue
with you for good.


Srinivas Ganti

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<Ket...@att.net> wrote in message news:cchh8...@drn.newsguy.com...


Familiarity breeds contempt. AD and KD have been staying in DC for so
long :)

My contact with AD is limted to internet and a few meets. So I don't think
he hates me as much :)

sg.

naniwadekar

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"Vijay Kumar K" <vijay...@my-deja.com> wrote -

>
> Majrooh started with Naushad and Shahjehan. They followed
> up with Andaaz. Then,
> they did not work together for 20 years until Sathi.
>

Majrooh also wrote one song for Naushad in 'Naatak' (1947).


- dn

Abhay Jain

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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2l10jbF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
> Abhay: Please post the url of the radio program you host.
>

Mr. Srinivas Rao (he maintans indianscreen.com)
hosts a radio program on Monday nights (8-10 PM EDT) at
http://www.wcnj.fm. Occasionally, I either co-host
with him or host it when he is away.

Abhay Jain

> rk-


Malini

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A giitayan search yielded this result:

\startsong
\stitle{kahii.n saavan me.n bhii ... bhiigii\-bhiigii havaa hai}%
\film{Suneharaa Sansaar}%
\year{1975}%
\starring{Rajendra Kumar, Hema Malini, Mala Sinha, Om Prakash, Asrani,
David}%
\singer{Mukesh, Lata}%
\music{Naushad}%
\lyrics{Anand Bakshi}%

:)

Malini

"Anant Rege" <ar...@remove.this.crgroup.com> wrote in message
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Anant Rege

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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2l3196F...@uni-berlin.de...

>
>
> Seriously Ketan I missed you. I thought I would settle this RDB issue
> with you for good.
>
Fat chance. Any way, I could think of the names of following RMIMers that
were brought up during the meet. I am not going to say in what context. :-)

Nani
Ketan
Ritu
S. Jayaraman
Nimish Pachapurkar
Srinivas Ganti
Vish Krishnan
Rawat
Rajan Parrikar
Afzal Khan
Sanjeev Rambhadran
Robin
Archisman
UVR

Of course I am missing many who may have been mentioned when I was not
there.

Anant


Ashok

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In article <2l30fjF...@uni-berlin.de>, g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i...@hotmail.com says...

>
>
>He was there for only a few hours as he was busy.
>
>sg.

No. Amit came late because apparently he overslept.
He overslept because a cricket match was cancelled.
He left early because he had to catch up on his
sleep. Most of the time he was at the meet he
spent outside smoking; I know because I was also
there. Different people; different priorities.


Ashok

Birbal

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"Anant Rege" <ar...@remove.this.crgroup.com> wrote in message news:<7OCdnRmocP1...@magma.ca>...

I hope you are not thinking of Chandani Raat... because that was G.M.Durrani

Afzal A. Khan

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Anant Rege wrote:
>
> "rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
> news:2l3196F...@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> >
> > Seriously Ketan I missed you. I thought I would settle this RDB issue
> > with you for good.
> >
> Fat chance. Any way, I could think of the names of following RMIMers that
> were brought up during the meet. I am not going to say in what context. :-)

> Afzal Khan



> Of course I am missing many who may have been mentioned when I was not
> there.
>
> Anant

In the above case, may I hazard a guess ? iTrans.

Afzal

Surjit Singh

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Srinivas Ganti wrote:

AD is the nicest fella you ever met. He doesn't hate anybody.

>
> sg.
>
>
>

--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html

Surjit Singh

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Jul 7, 2004, 10:44:08 PM7/7/04
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rkusenet wrote:

for good? You, you, you incorrigible optimist.

Surjit Singh

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Jul 7, 2004, 10:46:47 PM7/7/04
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Srinivas Ganti wrote:

>>"Ritu" <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote
>
>
> Amit it seems did not get the ragging he was expecting.

He did get the ragging! guri promised to beat him up with six wet
slippers (chhe bhijjiyaan juttiyan in Panjabi)

And I mentioned him many times saying, "even those who came late" while
looking directly at him. He was wearing kaalaa chashmaa though.

>
> He was there for only a few hours as he was busy.
>
> apana khaandaan ka naam roshan karne me.n mashghool hai :)
>
>
>
>>What??? Ashok, I am flattering myself with the thought that it is
>>Ketan and Ganti who have caused that opinion :). Incidentally, RK you
>>too would then get into Ashok's 'disliked' list! Me thinks Ashok is
>>simply in denial mode. The brilliance of the Old Man is too much for
>>him to digest!
>
>
> I and Ketan have been here before u came but we never got as
> bad a gaalii as a "Schmuck" from Sant Dhareshwar :)
>
> sg.
>
>
>

--

Surjit Singh

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Jul 7, 2004, 10:49:42 PM7/7/04
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yeskay wrote:

No, it is not. It is ..... duniyaavaalo .... Listen to it again.

@bollyvista.com Amit Malhotra

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Jul 7, 2004, 11:17:31 PM7/7/04
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On 7 Jul 2004 23:33:16 GMT, adhareshwar@gNO_SPAMmail.com (Ashok)
wrote:

LOL!

i didn't oversleep because the match was cancelled.. i did so cuz i
always oversleep, get your facts straight please :P

but we went outside only three times... you guys smoke so much ;-) LOL

Regards,

Amit

Satish Kalra

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Jul 7, 2004, 11:53:48 PM7/7/04
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"Amit Malhotra" <amit @ bollyvista . com> wrote in message
news:d3fpe05s2jemhj34v...@4ax.com...

First, we were informed that Amit would be coming only on Saurday evening,
due to a cricket match that he could not cancel or get out of.

And when he came in the afternoon and left early in the evening, I thought
that the only reason for the short duration of his presence at the Meet was
to avoid the "confrontation" with Ashok. Little did I know that they were
spending time "puffing" together. Some real bonding there! :-)

--
Happy Listenings.

Satish Kalra


UVR

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Jul 7, 2004, 11:57:23 PM7/7/04
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Srinivas Ganti wrote:
>
> Familiarity breeds contempt. AD and KD have been staying in DC for so
> long :)

Ganti-gaaru,

You must exercise caution these days while initializing names of
famous individuals. Don't be surprised if somebody asks whether
Ashok "D" and Ketan "D" are related. :)

-UVR.

UVR

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:01:01 AM7/8/04
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Afzal A. Khan wrote:

>
> Anant Rege wrote:
>
>>Any way, I could think of the names of following RMIMers that were
>>brought up during the meet. I am not going to say in what context. :-)
>
>
>>Afzal Khan
>
>
> In the above case, may I hazard a guess ? iTrans.

:) I'm pretty sure I was mentioned in the same connection, as well.

-UVR.

Afzal A. Khan

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:05:04 AM7/8/04
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Surjit Singh wrote:

> AD is the nicest fella you ever met. He doesn't hate anybody.

> Surjit Singh


You remind me so much of Mark Antony !


Afzal

@bollyvista.com Amit Malhotra

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:08:25 AM7/8/04
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But I was actually looking forward to the confrontation that never
happened. oh well. :)

Regards,

Amit Malhotra

Loony Tunes

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"UVR" <u...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10ephh4...@corp.supernews.com...

:-) Namaskaaramulu UVR gaaru.. baagunaara
Since you raised the point, let me do the honors... are they related?


Srinivas Ganti

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"Loony Tunes" <ltus...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:2l40noF...@uni-berlin.de...

Easy guys. It has come to my notice that a section of the Ottawa
meet attendees started conversations in Punjabi :)

Let's not create a VLAN of Telugu folks here :)

sg.


UVR

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Jul 8, 2004, 2:37:17 AM7/8/04
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Srinivas Ganti wrote:
>
> Easy guys. It has come to my notice that a section of the Ottawa
> meet attendees started conversations in Punjabi :)

You're stating this as if this has occurred in the Ottawa meet
for the first time. Have you never attended a Denver meet? Any
meet where Messrs. Guri, Kalra and Singh are present cannot pass
without a good amount of Punjabi conversation. These days, that
means almost every meet. :)

Lest someone should misinterpret the above, I am *not* complaining.
Just stating an observed fact.

-UVR.

V S Rawat

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:34:55 AM7/8/04
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Ashok wrote:
> In article <2l30fjF...@uni-berlin.de>, g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i...@hotmail.com says...
>
>>
>>He was there for only a few hours as he was busy.
>>
>>sg.
>
>
> No. Amit came late because apparently he overslept.
> He overslept because a cricket match was cancelled.
> He left early because he had to catch up on his
> sleep.

why?

There were arrangements for sleeping.

--
Rawat

V S Rawat

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:41:58 AM7/8/04
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and vice-versa.

--
Rawat

>
>>
>> sg.


V S Rawat

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:54:23 AM7/8/04
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Vijay Kumar K wrote:
> Animesh Kumar <ani...@eecs.berkely.edu> wrote in message
> news:<ccfdqr$1adu$1...@agate.berkeley.edu>...
>
>> Ashok wrote:
>>
>>> In article <2l02t9F...@uni-berlin.de>,
>>> g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i#@hotmail.com says...
>>>
>>>
>>>> I heard that there were only two quizzes at the
>>>> meet :)
>>>>
>>>> sg.
>>>
>>>
>>> What? There were so many quizlets, I have lost count.
>>> Let me try out a couple that I remember on the
>>> hapless non-attendee crowd. All who didn't attend the
>>> meet are encouraged to respond. Let us see if you'd
>>> have done better had you been there. Here's the first
>>> one:
>>>
>>> Shakeel Badayuni is tops in terms of the number of
>>> songs written for Naushad. Name the lyricist who
>>> comes next.
>>
>> My guess is Majrooh Sultanpuri ...
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Ashok

>>>
>>
>
> Majrooh started with Naushad and Shahjehan. They followed
> up with Andaaz. Then, they did not work together for 20
> years until Sathi. Naushad had hardly any more output
> after that.

They were also together in DharamKaa.NTaa, 1982 having
"ghu.Ngharuu TuuT gaye" and "ye goTedaar laha.ngaa".

--
Rawat

>
> My first guess was DN Madhok, as well.
>
> Vijay

V S Rawat

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Jul 8, 2004, 2:36:42 AM7/8/04
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Ashok wrote:
> In article <2l30fjF...@uni-berlin.de>, g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i...@hotmail.com says...
>
>>
>>He was there for only a few hours as he was busy.
>>
>>sg.
>
>
> No. Amit came late because apparently he overslept.
> He overslept because a cricket match was cancelled.
> He left early because he had to catch up on his
> sleep.

There were times when people believed

"za.njiir faulaad kii ho paa.Nv me.n
chhan chhanaanan ghu.ngharuu bajane lage"

And now there are people who sleep and oversleep. :-)

--
Rawat

V S Rawat

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Jul 8, 2004, 2:37:49 AM7/8/04
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Srinivas Ganti wrote:
>> "Ritu" <rc0...@rediffmail.com> wrote
>
>
> Amit it seems did not get the ragging he was expecting.
>
> He was there for only a few hours as he was busy.
>
> apana khaandaan ka naam roshan karne me.n mashghool hai
> :)
>
>
>
>> What??? Ashok, I am flattering myself with the thought
>> that it is Ketan and Ganti who have caused that opinion
>> :). Incidentally, RK you too would then get into
>> Ashok's 'disliked' list! Me thinks Ashok is simply in
>> denial mode. The brilliance of the Old Man is too much
>> for him to digest!
>
>
> I and Ketan have been here before u came but we never got
> as bad a gaalii as a "Schmuck" from Sant Dhareshwar :)
>
> sg.
>

of "flame se flame jalaate chalo" fame?

--
Rawat


rkusenet

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Jul 8, 2004, 5:40:32 AM7/8/04
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"UVR" <u...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:10epqsv...@corp.supernews.com...

Yup and I brushed up my punjabi after a long time. Would have
been better if I heard some cussing in punjabi :-)

rk-
ps: I heard the word "tharki" after eons.


Abhay Jain

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Jul 8, 2004, 7:15:12 AM7/8/04
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"Amit Malhotra" <amit @ bollyvista . com> wrote in message
news:u4ipe0pscbeca4fm8...@4ax.com...

>
> But I was actually looking forward to the confrontation that never
> happened. oh well. :)

That would have happened had you stayed longer.

Abhay Jain

>
> Regards,
>
> Amit Malhotra


Loony Tunes

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Jul 8, 2004, 8:31:43 AM7/8/04
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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:2l4j00F...@uni-berlin.de...

>
> ps: I heard the word "tharki" after eons.

A very good punjabi friend of mine tried to tell me the story outline of
Hawa (sorry film starring Tabu based on The Entity). From the time he
mentioned the existence of a Bhoot and that the Bhoot was a Tharki one..it
was a laugh riot that point onwards.

lt


Ritu

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Jul 8, 2004, 10:37:08 AM7/8/04
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"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<2l4j00F...@uni-berlin.de>...

>

> Yup and I brushed up my punjabi after a long time. Would have
> been better if I heard some cussing in punjabi :-)
>
> rk-
> ps: I heard the word "tharki" after eons.

Oops! I have heard(rather read) this word after ages too!! Golden
nostalgia is seeping through the window again :)!
Despite having spent all my formative years in Delhi I came across
this word only during my MCA. For a long while I thought it was a
desi-ized version of 'Turkey'. I made the mistake of asking once. I
could never live that one down..

Cheers
Ritu

P.S Where are the pictures of the meet?

Ashok

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Jul 8, 2004, 11:36:37 AM7/8/04
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In article <10epqsv...@corp.supernews.com>, u...@hotmail.com says...

>
>Srinivas Ganti wrote:
>>
>> Easy guys. It has come to my notice that a section of the Ottawa
>> meet attendees started conversations in Punjabi :)
>
>You're stating this as if this has occurred in the Ottawa meet
>for the first time. Have you never attended a Denver meet? Any
>meet where Messrs. Guri, Kalra and Singh are present cannot pass
>without a good amount of Punjabi conversation.

Why are you leaving out Vish?

>-UVR.


Let me reveala secret: a conspiracy is brewing: plots are being
hatched, agreements being reached, temporary truces being signed,
etc., so that there is a full-scale Marathi take-over of the
Denver meet. I have been offered a honorary membership for the
occasion.


Ashok


Neha Desai

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Jul 8, 2004, 11:44:06 AM7/8/04
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>
>
>Let me reveala secret: a conspiracy is brewing: plots are being
>hatched, agreements being reached, temporary truces being signed,
>etc., so that there is a full-scale Marathi take-over of the
>Denver meet. I have been offered a honorary membership for the
>occasion.
>
>Ashok
>

I know enough marathi to take part in the take-over...Ashok, do let the
plotters know:)
(i know gujarati takeover will never happen:) there is only Ketan, Chetan
and I on this newgroup and they are not plotting as far as I know:)).

--
Neha

Afzal A. Khan

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Jul 8, 2004, 12:05:48 PM7/8/04
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Hindi-siders in certain parts of India would refer to
such a "gang-up" by adapting a popular song :

"Mile(N) jo kaRHee kaRHee...."

Afzal

Srinivas Ganti

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"UVR" <u...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:10epqsv...@corp.supernews.com...


I understand that more than 50% of the Ottawa meet attendess were Punjabi's.
That's why I was stating it explicitly.


>Ashok wrote:

>Let me reveala secret: a conspiracy is brewing: plots are being
>hatched, agreements being reached, temporary truces being signed,
>etc., so that there is a full-scale Marathi take-over of the
>Denver meet. I have been offered a honorary membership for the
>occasion.

That's all right with me since Maharashtra is our neighbouring state :)
But I only hope that Denver airport isn't renamed as Chatrapathi
Shivaji airport :)

sg.


Deepak

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Jul 8, 2004, 3:30:45 PM7/8/04
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"Srinivas Ganti" <g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i#@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2l5btaF...@uni-berlin.de...

> That's all right with me since Maharashtra is our neighbouring state :)
> But I only hope that Denver airport isn't renamed as Chatrapathi
> Shivaji airport :)
>
Will you approve renaming it Bal Gangadhar Tilak airport or may be Dinanath
Mangeshkar Airport :-). Sorry, could not resist.
Cheers...

Deepak


Vijay Kumar K

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Jul 8, 2004, 4:58:02 PM7/8/04
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V S Rawat <vsrawat_...@hclinfinet.com> wrote in message news:<40ECD37F...@hclinfinet.com>...

They also worked together on Qeemat (1946), I believe. There may be others.

I was not trying to provide an exhaustive listing of their collaborations,
merely pointing out that the combination is not very prolific despite a
significant overlap in their careers - and that is because of the 20-year
break at the height of Naushad's career.

Vijay

Abhay Jain

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Jul 8, 2004, 8:34:07 PM7/8/04
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"Srinivas Ganti" <g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i#@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:2l5btaF...@uni-berlin.de...
>
>
> That's all right with me since Maharashtra is our neighbouring state :)
> But I only hope that Denver airport isn't renamed as Chatrapathi
> Shivaji airport :)

One famous Marathi lady lives in Denver
and there is a proposal to rename Denver Airport
to Madhuri Dixit Airport.

Abhay Jain

>
> sg.
>


V S Rawat

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Jul 8, 2004, 3:22:07 PM7/8/04
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Good one. :)

--
Rawat


Ashok

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Jul 9, 2004, 12:02:12 AM7/9/04
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In article <2l5btaF...@uni-berlin.de>, g#a#n#t#i#s#r#i#@hotmail.com says...

>
>But I only hope that Denver airport isn't renamed as Chatrapathi
>Shivaji airport :)
>
>sg.

LOL! That's a good one Ganti!

Ashok

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