Veena.
--
It is a great movie. Incidentally it is Anupam Kher's first movie, if I
am not wrong. I don't remember the MD's name but it is definitely not RD
Burman.
Naren
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Saaransh was an extremely well directed movie..touching and all that..
I guess the couple of songs (background songs) sounding good had something to
do with the sentiments portrayed. The Music Director for Saaransh was some
vague off-beat guy, AJIT VARMA. The couple of songs in the movie:
Andhiraya.. by Bhupinder and 'har ghadi' sung by Amit Kumar.
The so-called art movies in Hindi Cinema I remember very often used
such lesser known artists (singers, MDs etc.) prob.ly since they couldnt
afford the mainstream crowd. Another example of a lesser known MD who used
to often feature on such artsy movies was RAJKAMAL. Two of his movies being
Katha and Chashme Baddur (which ofcourse featured the lovely (semi?)classical
duet by Yesudas and Sukala (who is she? she sounded good)..Kahan se aaye badra!
Till recently I thought Aarti Mukherjee of "Do nainaaN aur ek kahani" (Masoom)
was such an off-beat name related to art movies music scene. Through rmim I
now know better;-)
(the last paragraph was a rambling cos my stupid newsserver needs the
reply post to be longer than the included original post)
Thanks
Mahesh
> The so-called art movies in Hindi Cinema I remember very often used
> such lesser known artists (singers, MDs etc.) prob.ly since they couldnt
> afford the mainstream crowd. Another example of a lesser known MD who used
> to often feature on such artsy movies was RAJKAMAL. Two of his movies being
> Katha and Chashme Baddur (which ofcourse featured the lovely (semi?)classical
> duet by Yesudas and Sukala (who is she? she sounded good)..Kahan se aaye badra!
Another such less known MD used in artsy movie regularly by Basu
Bhattacharya is Kanu Roy. I really admire his compositions for
their distinct style. His songs stand out from the rest. I know
just 4 of his films - Anubhav, Avishkaar, Usaki Kahani and Griha
pravesh. Anubhav and Uski Kahani had Geeta Dutt singing:
"Koi chupke anke mujhko satake bole" and "aaj ki kaali ghata,
masta masta aalee ghata" which have a distict "Kanu touch" so
also Manna's "Hasne ki chah ne kitna mujhe rulaya hai" and
"Phir kahi koi phool khila, chahat na kaho usko". I wish Kanu
Roy had composed music for many more films.
I do not know him much beyond his compostions for these movies.
Is he a well known composer in Bengali world?? Is he in a same
class as that of Salil Chaudhury, Hemant Kumar and SDB. I am sure
he must be. Bangla folks on this NG, please comment....
- Shyam
'Saaransh' had only two songs:
andhiyaara geharaaya, soonaapan ghir aaya
ghabaraaya man mera, charaNo.n me.n aaya
(Bhupinder; it comes twice)
har ghaDi Dhal rahi, kshhaam hai zindagi
dard kaa doosaraa naam hai zindagi
(Amit Kumar)
The lyrics are by Vasant Dev, of the 'Utsav' fame. MD is the extremely
talented Ajit Verman. He has given superb music for many Govind Nihalani
films, notably 'Aakrosh', 'Vijeta', and 'Ardh Satya'. I have heard that he
has recently scored for a more mainstream film. Does anyone know?
Ashok
> Another such less known MD used in artsy movie regularly by Basu
> Bhattacharya is Kanu Roy. I really admire his compositions for
> their distinct style. His songs stand out from the rest. I know
> just 4 of his films - Anubhav, Avishkaar, Usaki Kahani and Griha
> pravesh. Anubhav and Uski Kahani had Geeta Dutt singing:
> "Koi chupke anke mujhko satake bole" and "aaj ki kaali ghata,
> masta masta aalee ghata" which have a distict "Kanu touch" so
> also Manna's "Hasne ki chah ne kitna mujhe rulaya hai" and
> "Phir kahi koi phool khila, chahat na kaho usko". I wish Kanu
> Roy had composed music for many more films.
>
> I do not know him much beyond his compostions for these movies.
> Is he a well known composer in Bengali world?? Is he in a same
> class as that of Salil Chaudhury, Hemant Kumar and SDB. I am sure
> he must be. Bangla folks on this NG, please comment....
>
> - Shyam
There is another manna duet, 'kaanha bole na kaanha bole na.. puchun baar baar
baaar kaanha bole na'. I think that is also by kaanu Roy. Looks like kaanu saab
has real melody packed.
-harish
A few points :
Kanu Roy is Geeta Dutt's brother (another brother being Mukul Roy who composed
for the old Guru Dutt starrer "Detective"). That partially explains her
connection with "Anubhav". That was a pretty late film in her life and she
was quite ill (and drunk a lot of the time) by then (if memory of the rumors
serve me right).
"Kaanha bole na" is from the film "Sangat" which had music by Salil not Kanu
Roy. Now, I have this recollection of Kanu Roy being the assistant to one of
the great MDs, quite possibly Salil Chowdhury (then again, I hope I am not
confusing Kanu Roy with Kanu Ghosh).
As to Kanu Roy's films in Hindi, I am only aware of the 4 films listed above
and even then, just the 1 song from "Uski Kahaani" and what a lovely song it
is.
Sadly I do not know any of his compositions in Bengali. I am sure there must
be some nettors who can educate me on them (assuming they exist).
P
- Sai Prasad
Yup! this is a 1969 movie, and the first of the three made by Basu B on
marital discord, the others being Aaavishkar and Grihapravesh.
> "Kaanha bole na" is from the film "Sangat" which had music by Salil not Kanu
> Roy. Now, I have this recollection of Kanu Roy being the assistant to one of
> the great MDs, quite possibly Salil Chowdhury (then again, I hope I am not
> confusing Kanu Roy with Kanu Ghosh).
I am pretty sure he was an assitant to Salil C too.
>
> As to Kanu Roy's films in Hindi, I am only aware of the 4 films listed above
> and even then, just the 1 song from "Uski Kahaani" and what a lovely song it
> is.
Anubhav has another classy song--"Mujhe jaan na kahon meri jaan" by
Geeta D. This remains an all time Geeta D favourite of mine. The
laughter at the end of the song sounds sooo natural, and so does the
pouting style of singing in the lines "Jaan na kahon anjaan mujhe"
antara, esp when u imagine Tanuja on whom it has been picturised (I think).
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
'Detective' starred Pradeep Kumar and Mala Sinha. Guru Dutt did direct 'Sailaab'
which had music by Mukul Roy; in fact, it was produced by Mukul Roy and Geeta Dutt.
>As to Kanu Roy's films in Hindi, I am only aware of the 4 films listed above
>and even then, just the 1 song from "Uski Kahaani" and what a lovely song it
>is.
Some other films are: Sai Paranjpe's 'Sparsh', 'Mayuri' (which was directed by
Nutan), 'Tumhara Kalloo' (MDs are Kanu Roy and Shankar Shambhu), and
'Woh Phir Nahin Aayi'. Interestingly, Kanu Roy never used Lata.
Ashok
=>In article <1996061120...@sangeet.connectinc.com>,
=>pree...@connectinc.com says...
=>
=>>As to Kanu Roy's films in Hindi, I am only aware of the 4 films listed above
=>>and even then, just the 1 song from "Uski Kahaani" and what a lovely song it
=>>is.
=>
=>Some other films are: Sai Paranjpe's 'Sparsh', 'Mayuri' (which was directed by
=>Nutan), 'Tumhara Kalloo' (MDs are Kanu Roy and Shankar Shambhu), and
=>'Woh Phir Nahin Aayi'. Interestingly, Kanu Roy never used Lata.
It would be interesting to know more about Kanu Roy's Bengali compositions
(if there are any) because if he just composed for these 8 odd movies in Hindi,
I would think he was quite repetitive. Take the following 3 songs, for example:
"Koyi chupke se aake" - Geeta Dutt in "Anubhav
"Aaj ki kaali ghata" - Geeta Dutt in "Uski Kahaani"
"Naina hain pyaase mere" - Asha in "Aavishkaar"
They are unmistakably similar in tune - esp. the "kaun pyaasa hai mujhe kya
maloom" portion.
Ofcourse, repetitive or not, some of his tunes are quite amazingly sweet. Who
can forget "mujhe jaan na kaho meri jaan" ??
Vandana.
vven...@pcocd2.intel.com
>Ofcourse, repetitive or not, some of his tunes are quite amazingly sweet. Who
>can forget "mujhe jaan na kaho meri jaan" ??
This song has been mentioned by a number of people in the Kanu Roy thread.
And without exception, it has been 'jaan'. But I could have sworn the words
are 'mujhe *jaa* na kaho merii jaa.n....". Maybe the na immediately following
the jaa makes it sound like jaan. To me it makes more sense with jaa. Of
course film songs do not always have to make sense out of context !
Any commnets ?
C
There is a third possiblity:
mujhe jaan kaho meri jaa.n
with the 'jaan' pronounced closer to 'jaana' as Geeta does in the first
stanza ("jaan kahaa.n rehatee hai sadaa"). This is the second line of
the stanza. The first line of the first stanza also has the ambiguity:
jaana (na?) kaho anjaana mujhe
Coming back to the mukhaDaa, all 3 possibilities can be given
cogent interpretations. I find 'jaa na' inelegant (although I am not
sure this poet can be accused of trying hard for elegance :)). The last
line of first stanza does use 'jaanaa': "jaan ke jaae kaun bhalaa."
>Of course film songs do not always have to make sense out of context !
>Any commnets ?
>
>C
Moreover, this one, being as it's a song by this poet, is not meant to make
sense period ("in" or "out" of context)!
Ashok
> I do not know him much beyond his compostions for these movies.
> Is he a well known composer in Bengali world?? Is he in a same
> class as that of Salil Chaudhury, Hemant Kumar and SDB. I am sure
> he must be. Bangla folks on this NG, please comment....
1. KR is not at all well known in Bengali world as a
composer.
2. I'd hesitate to keep Hemanta Mukherjee as a composer
in the same class of SC or SDB.
Regards,
Sambit
=> >Ofcourse, repetitive or not, some of his tunes are quite amazingly
=> >sweet. Who can forget "mujhe jaan na kaho meri jaan" ??
=> This song has been mentioned by a number of people in the Kanu Roy thread.
=> And without exception, it has been 'jaan'. But I could have sworn the words
=> are 'mujhe *jaa* na kaho merii jaa.n....". Maybe the na immediately following
=> the jaa makes it sound like jaan. To me it makes more sense with jaa. Of
=> course film songs do not always have to make sense out of context !
=> Any commnets ?
=>
=> C
Yes, film songs do not always have to make sense out of context!
Especially, when they're by Gulzar! ;-)
That's a thought, however, Chetan, about it being 'mujhe jaa na kaho'
and not 'mujhe jaaN na kaho' ... it does make it easier to comprehend
the first antaraa if you take the mukhD.a to be 'mujhe jaa na kaho'
... to wit, what is thought to be
mujhe jaaN na kaho meri jaaN, meri jaaN, meri jaaN
jaaN na kaho anjaan mujhe, jaan kahaaN rehti hai sadaa
anjaane kyaa jaane jaan ke jaaye kaun bhala
becomes less 'punny', but more intelligible if looked at as
mujhe *jaa* na kaho meri jaaN, meri jaaN, meri jaaN
*jaa* na kaho anjaan mujhE, jaan kahaaN rahti hai sadaa
anjaane! kyaa jaane! jaan ke *jaaye* kaun bhalaa
meri jaaN, mujhe *jaa* na kaho meri jaaN!
meri jaaN, meri jaaN, meri jaaN!
This could be the *actual* lyrics too, considering that GD was in
failing health and probably in a drunken stupor when she sang it.
Hasn't anyone seen 'Anubhav'? I have seen only the song. The 'scene
on the screen' before the song starts would let us decide which is the
lyric, perhaps ... Sanjeev Kumar would have told Tanuja "jaao,
Tanu. mujhe akelaa chhoD. do" or something like that (his expression
during the song is quite indicative that something of this nature
would have happened), and Tanuja would start this song, saying "mujhe
*jaa* na kaho meri jaaN" ... she does have a mischeivous smile in the
song, and don't I hear GD make a *hah* sound, like she is laughing
lightly ...
Any opinions?
-- UVR.
I could be wrong....
N
I remember one song li goes something like
"Gaheraayaa Gaheraayaa Soonaa pan gaheraayaa" (in background)
Milind
: Veena.
: --
:
:
> I think it should be 'jaan' since there is an antara that follows which
> says 'jaan kaho anjaan mujhe, jaan kahan rehti hai sada
> '
> =
> I could be wrong....
> =
> N
A long time ago, this song was talked about and Ashish Bokil - the Gulzar-m=
yestrO - was asked to explain the meanings / bhaavaarth in his own =
inimitable style... then Azra had promised, I believe, that she'd do it... =
I bring back that request to this new group :) Here's the original =
article: [the word is jaaN - confirmed with the source :))]
___________________________________________________________________________=
_
Hello again!
Ashish Bokil needs food for thought , so he can post such fantastic article=
s as the one on the bhaav-arth of Gulzar=92s song *is moD se jaate =
haiN*...so, I thoght I=92d post the following Gulzar gem and ask Ashish to =
give us his thoughts on what Gulzar is trying to say here...this is a =
good example of Gulzar=92s simple-yet-subtle imagery:
Film: Anubhav
Music: Kanu Roy
Singer: Geeta Dutt
The composition and instrumentation of this song is in such perfect harmony=
with the structure of the lyrics that it quickly becomes a =
hummable *and* profound piece. Kanu Roy has used very few instuments: mainl=
y xylophones and a set of low congas or similar sound produced by =
playing the tablas in that manner...just a few stacatto notes making a simp=
le, rhythmic melody used for the interludes, and an almost =
=91conversational=92 melody used for the mukhDas/stanzas: I suggest that yo=
u read the lyrics *without* paying any attention to my =91side-notes=92 =
first, and then if you feel like it, listen to the song and look at these s=
ide notes...you might enjoy the process! :)
___________________________________________________________________________=
______
The song starts with this =91heavenly=92 intro on the xylophones that begin=
s to create a hint of the rhythm of the song before Geeta Dutt=92s =
sensuous aawaaz says:
Meree jaaN!
mujhe jaaN na kaho meree jaa~N
meree jaa~ ~N, meree jaaN<=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3Dhere starts this =91softe=
st=92 percussion-cycle.
the=91heart-beat=92 of this song.
six notes on the =
xyphone,
and...=3D=3D=3D>
mujhe jaaN na kaho meree jaaN
meree jaa~ ~N, meree jaaN
the interlude
as described =
above, just 16
notes =3D=3D=3D>
jaaN na kaho anjaan mujhe
jaan kahaaN rehtee hai sadaa~ ~
jaaN na kaho anjaan mujhe
jaan kahaaN rehtee hai sadaa
<=3D=3D=3DGeeta Dutt=92s =91nakhre-bharaa=92 andaaz is =
outa-this-world here!!
anjaane~ kyaa jaaneN
jaan ke jaaye kaun bhalaa~ ~
meree jaaN
the six-note
filler=3D=3D=3D> =
mujhe jaaN na kaho meree jaaN
meree jaaaaN, meree jaaN
=
another sixteen-note
interlude=3D=3D=3D>
sookhe saawan baras gaye
kitnee baar in haathoN se~ ~
sookhe saawan baras gaye
kitnee baar in haathoN se
=
do boonde~N na barseN
in bheegi~ palkoN se~ ~
meri jaaN
the six-notes=3D=3D=3D>
mujhe jaaN na kaho meree jaaN <=3D=3D=3D=3Dyou can bet she=92s smiling=
here!!
meree jaa~ ~N, meree jaaN
the last 16-note
interlude=3D=3D=3D>
=
hoNTh jhukeN jab hoThoN par
saaNs uljhi ho saaNsoN mei~N<=3D=3D=3D=3Dwhen Geeta Dutt sings that saaNs=
, it=92s so mind- =
^^^^^ boggling! Asha, IMHO, is great at this kind of =
stuff, but somehow, Geeta Dutt brings a unique =
=
=91innocense=92 into this style along wit=
h the sensuality.
hoNTh jhukeN jab hoThoN par
saaNs uljhi ho, saaNsoN meiN
do juDvaa~ hoThoN ki
baat kaho~ aaNkhoN se~ ~
meree jaaN
the six-notes=3D=3D=3D>
mujhe jaaN na kaho meree jaaN
meree jaa~ ~N, meree jaaN
six-notes=3D=3D=3D> =
mujhe jaaN na kaho me-h-ree jaaN
meree jaa~ ~N, me~ree jaaN
the last 8 notes follow and you=92ve been transported into this dream-worl=
d of Gulzar on Kanu Roy=92s vessel!
___________________________________________________________________________=
__________
guri
=>
=> A long time ago, this song was talked about and Ashish Bokil - the Gulzar-m=
=> yestrO - was asked to explain the meanings / bhaavaarth in his own =
=>
=> inimitable style... then Azra had promised, I believe, that she'd do it... =
=> I bring back that request to this new group :) Here's the original =
=>
=> article: [the word is jaaN - confirmed with the source :))]
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Would the "source" then kindly consent to unravel the mysterious
meaning of the words?
Regards,
Ravindra.
The MD of film Saaransh is Ajit Verman. Gave a couple of more movies like
"Vijeta" starring Shashi Kapoor , Rekha ( based on air force). He also gave
music in "Janam" starring Kumar Gaurav.
--
S. Ravi Krishna
Ravi> Veena S Nayak wrote: The MD of film Saaransh is Ajit Verman.
Ravi> Gave a couple of more movies like "Vijeta" starring Shashi
Ravi> Kapoor , Rekha ( based on air force). He also gave music in
Ravi> "Janam" starring Kumar Gaurav.
^^^^^
Just to make sure that nobody confuses this with other movie :
This is "Janam" ( birth/life ) and not "Jaanam" ( lover ), although Mahesh Bhatt
has directed movies of both names.
"Janam" came as a telefilm in mid-80s, starring Kumar Gaurav and Shehnaz Patel,
and ofcourse, Anupam Kher. Story of illegitimate child and guilty-feeling father,
was directed well by Mahesh Bhatt. The movie came in approx. 1984, I think : must
be his next movie after he directed "Saraansh".
"Jaanam", starring Rahul Roy and (who_else_but) Pooja Bhatt came in the early 90s,
and MD was Anu Malik. The movie sank without a trace, proving the decadence in
Mahesh Bhatt's directorial skills during his career.
--
Kuntal.
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| jahaN ummeed ho is ki wahaN nahiN milta
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It had a very good song...........'Zindagi zindagi, kabhi tumko dekha tha
kabhi tumko jaana hai
Phoolon ke rang, taaron ke sang, yeh maine....
It was the only one in the movie....not so sure where it can be found on audio.
more later,
bye,
--ravi.
Please.
Manoj Bhatia