RDB-The Train[1970]
Kizzy
There exists two versions of Anand Bakshi's "Chaiyya re chaiyya re",
one in the voice of Asha Bhosle and the other in the voice of Krishna
Kalle. Was Krishna Kalle's version ever part of the movie?
Curiously,
Kizzy
bhagwa...@aol.com
If I'm not mistaken, quite a few 70s films had cover version songs. In
my collection of EPs, films like Balidan, Tere Mere Sapne etc all have
songs by lesser established singers.
I heard somewhere that these songs were then forwarded to the
established 'A' list singers to listen to and become familiar with.
Is it true that Kishore often had Lata's tandem version of a song or
one that had been sung by a music director to 'research' so that he
could come up with a really superior version himself? IMHO Kishore more
or less always managed to come up trumps with his version.
Bhagwant
kcp
> Is it true that Kishore often had Lata's tandem version of a song or
> one that had been sung by a music director to 'research'
Only one song that I know - Mere Naina Saawan Bhaado
> so that he
> could come up with a really superior version himself?
No. for the song Mere Naina Saawan Bhaado - Kishore told Pancham - ke
"pehle "Bawta Loi" ( the opposite of how Bengalis used to call Lata -
"Lowta Boi" )se gawaao phir main "vaiseichh" gaaoonga"
It was never intended by Kishore to come up with a superior version
than Lata...but then ...... :P
KCP
Sunil Dandekar
IIRC when I saw the film when it was released, It was Krishna Kalle's
version. I would not be able to swear on it though.
The songs created quite a stir in those days, particulary Gulaabi
ankhen. IMO 'Kisliye maine" was the best one.
regards,
Sunil
V S Rawat
Even when he got Lata's version ready for his practicising, he
could not improve upon that.
But poor fellow was having no formal training of music. So, his
illiteracy hindered him.
maild...@yahoo.com
combined with his own hard work resulted in songs which are more
enjoyable than
their counterparts rendered by female artists. I good example of this
is:
Hamen Tum Se Pyar Kitna
Kishore was no match in terms of 'Gayaki' of Begum Parveen Sultana,
whose excellent rendering made it as one the greatest songs ever.
On the other hand, it is the Kishore's version, which is more
enjoyable.
Both songs have same tempo.
I would like to welcome listener's comments on following songs:
Ina Mina Dika (other version by: Asha)
Zindagi Ik Safar Hai Suhana ( ..ditto ...)
Mere Naina Sawan Bhadon ( other version by:
Lata)
Jhoti Si Yeh Duniya Pehchane Raste Hain (
..ditto ..)
Sudhir
vrk
This has been a thought that has bothered me for a while too. there was
an excellent asha number written by saahir which went like
'do boondein saawan kii...'
the song went on to say that two droplets from the same source - one
attains glory and the other dirt. and the lyricist wonders why
there have been many tandem versions in Hindi films - but typically
male and female tandem versions have been more popular. Nonetheless one
of the two versions becomes so popular that if you asked someone who
has sung this song - he would invariably not know that any other
version exists.
I had a very interesting experience years ago at a college festival
where during an antaakshari i sang 'na tum hamein jaano' as a song
which begins with 'na'. however the other contestants pounced on me
saying that the first word uttered by hemant apart from the humming is
'mil gayaa' and hence the song begins with 'ma'. i argued for a long
time but to no avail. ultimately i said that i had sung the suman
kalyanpur version and hence all this aalaap and humming logic does not
hold. To my consternation everyone there (including the judges) denied
the existence of a suman kalyanpur version. well i lost that contest
but the thought stayed with me.
the three most potent examples i can think of in this category
saaranga teri yaad mein - rafi version
ik din bik jaayega - kishore version
logon ke ghar mein rahtaa hoon - yesudas version
there are many versions sung by the distaff side like the one i
illustrated. some of the notable 'poor cousins' that i can recall:
jaayen to jaayen kahaan - lata version
teri aankhon ke sivaa duniya - lata version
dil jo na keh sakaa - lata version
maai ri - madan mohan version
vaadiyaan meraa daaman - lata version
ae mere dil kahin aur chal - lata version
main kamsin (as against tum kamsin) - lata again
largely based on AIR playlists. a typical AIR delhi announcer would
pick up the taxi driver LP , play the talat version and ignore the lata
version. the same LP would be lying in the duty room when the next
announcer would come in and he would also play the same version. So too
for other numbers
also tum bin jaaoon kahaan - rafi version would also have been in this
list but for the fact that the earlier HMV popular compilations like
golden collection of rafi as well as kishore had this song. wasnt there
also a lata version of the same song. I always used to wonder why the
rafi version was not as popular - it had so much more 'sharaafat'. prob
because the original 'ek din paakhi ude jaabo je aakaashe' in bangla
was kishore's. and prob there are some tenancy rights that a singer
develops :)
of the three songs that i have listed the kishore version of ik din bik
jaayegaa was simply miles ahead of the more famous version. obviously
kishore was at his peak and the ageing vocals of mukesh had nothing to
offer but melancholy. kishore's was so much more sanguine.
regards
ravi
Manish Wadhane
> I would like to welcome listener's comments on following songs:
>
> Ina Mina Dika (other version by: Asha)
>
> Zindagi Ik Safar Hai Suhana ( ..ditto ...)
>
> Mere Naina Sawan Bhadon ( other version by:
> Lata)
>
> Jhoti Si Yeh Duniya Pehchane Raste Hain (
> ..ditto ..)
Frankly.. I cannot think of a tandem song where Kishore's version has
not outclassed the other one. His versions overpower the other ones
effortlessly.
-Manish
Anirudha
version, at least to me. Both in the gayaki and in emotional content.
It is pathetic that we have the audacity to make a statement like 'his
illiteracy hindered him' .. speaks volumes about our own musical
erudtion. As Manish has mentioned, I too fail to figure out a single
tandem, staring with 'Qusoor aap ka' where Kishore has not outclassed
the other singer.
Anirudha
arun
Kishore was impressive in tandem numbers. However, I do know of duets
where
he was outclassed by Lata and Asha. E.g. "Kahin na jaa .." from bade
dil wala (music : RDB)
he is miles behind Lata's impeccable rendition... similarly in "Is mod
se jaate hain.."
Asha outdid him in "samay tu dheere dheere chal.."
Arun
Abhay Jain
"Manish Wadhane" <man...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1129279794....@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
>> I would like to welcome listener's comments on following songs:
>>
>> Ina Mina Dika (other version by: Asha)
>>
>> Zindagi Ik Safar Hai Suhana ( ..ditto ...)
>>
>> Mere Naina Sawan Bhadon ( other version by:
>> Lata)
>>
>> Jhoti Si Yeh Duniya Pehchane Raste Hain (
>> ..ditto ..)
>
> Frankly.. I cannot think of a tandem song where Kishore's version has
> not outclassed the other one. His versions overpower the other ones
> effortlessly.
>
> -Manish
>
I think issue of male version of tandem songs being
better than female version in general has been covered
in the past. There was a survey done too on this NG.
AJ
Asif
What you mean he is "acting like"? Is not he one?
Asif
Asif
Kasam, 1974), I feel that Lata outdid him here. She sounds almost like
Asha here when she sings the line 'roothh jaayen ham to tum hamko mana
lena sanam', especially the word 'sanam'.
KK was indeed very impressive in 'Mere naina saawan bhadon' (Mehbooba,
1976). The story that I know about his recording of this song is: RDB
asked him to record this difficult song while at the same time telling
him there would be Lata version also. Quickly then KK asked RDB to get
Lata sing it first and he would just follow Lata in alaap, etc. It
just shows his respect for Lata and his willingness to learn from her
and not that he was not capable of doing it. Those immortal artistes
did these things casually mainly to bring out a fine, polished product
without worrying about the garbage some idiots would dish out about
them years later.
Asif
kcp
Those immortal artistes
> did these things casually mainly to bring out a fine, polished product
> without worrying about the garbage some idiots would dish out about
> them years later.
>
> Asif
Asif bhai....you said it brilliantly...at least in the case of Mere
Naina Saawan Bhaado - Kishore and Pancham were in real casual/joking
mood when Kishore told Pancham to get "Bawta Loi" sing it first
KCP