Let's Go Back: Hariyaali Aur Raasta (1962)
Asif
films and listen to those memorable songs on radio, gramophone, record
player, and, years later, on cassette deck. We would return to
theatres often just to watch the wonderful images of those songs on
sliver screen and still would not get enough of them. The melodious
magic of those good, old days still pull us back.
To collect the memories and first-hand accounts of popular music in
those lively, lovely days, I am starting a series called 'Let's Go
Back', where I want to invite folks, especially those who grew up in
'40 through '70s, to share their first-hand experience of listening
to a film album, watching the film in theatre, observing public
hysteria or the lack thereof about the film/album, reading and hearing
various stories about the film and its music, etc. We mostly know
about those delightful decades (1940s-1970s) through journalistic
accounts and occasional interviews of those artistes, and yet a lot of
details about how the music of those films actually fared are
relatively unknown to this day. Journalists may have written reams
about those films and their music since then; however, only the viewers
and listeners remain the best judges of how they received those films
and their music.
So, let's tell about how we happened to see a particular film, how we
liked or disliked its music or a particular song and how others reacted
to the music, exactly or around what time a film was released and when
its music hit the market, how we were interested in a particular music
director or singer or any other artiste, how our parents discussed the
music, how we missed a film or how our radio broke down when a new song
was about to start playing, where and how we bought the film's LP or
gramophone record, what we heard about those films/albums from our
uncles and aunts, what we read about a film and its music in print, and
so on. Every word of these details counts for posterity.
Every week to every other week I will add a particular film to the
series and would appreciate response from everybody, especially from
our senior members like Kalraji, Surjit Sahab, Afzal Sahab, and UVR, on
the music of this film. We can talk about anything related to the
film; however, the focus of this series would be on the film's music.
Note: I will objectively pick any film, mainly a musical hit, from
1940s through 1970s only. I might choose a couple of films from the
early1980s but not anytime soon.
The first film in this series is Hariyaali Aur Raasta (1962).
This film starred a relatively new hero Manoj Kumar and a seasoned
actress Mala Sinha in lead roles. In fact, this was Manoj Kumar's
first hit of his career. Shashikala in the role of the hero's brash
wife provided wonderful support to the lead pair. The film's
highlight, however, was Shankar-Jaikishan's scintillating music. I
believe almost all of those songs became immensely popular then, with
'Ibtidaa-e-ishq mein', 'Bol meri taqdeer mein kya hai', 'Ye
hariyaali aur ye raasta', 'Laakhon taare aasmaan mein', and
'Teri yaad dil se' exciting us even today.
So when and where did you first watch the movie? Did its music
immediately appeal to you or the public, or it took its time, and how
did it affect the film's performance at the box-office? Was the
music really such a big hit? Was it hit all over India or only in the
North or in the North and the West? What did you think about the music
then? Which song did you love most on screen and off it? What did you
expect from a relatively unknown hero in those timeless songs? Did
Mala Sinha do full justice to the sheer joie-de-vivre of 'Ye
hariyaali aur ye raasta'? The film also starred Helen. What song
did she get to sing on screen? What was the situation of her dance?
Did you throw coins on any song on screen in the theatre? And what did
you read about the film and its music later in newspapers and
magazines? Did you agree with them? Did any artiste talk about the
film or its music years later? If yes, what did they say? Let's go
back, recall, and share.
Thanks,
Asif
Pramod
Asif schrieb:
> So when and where did you first watch the movie? Did its music
> immediately appeal to you or the public, or it took its time, and how
> did it affect the film's performance at the box-office? Was the
> music really such a big hit? Was it hit all over India or only in the
> North or in the North and the West? What did you think about the music
> then? Which song did you love most on screen and off it? What did you
> expect from a relatively unknown hero in those timeless songs? Did
> Mala Sinha do full justice to the sheer joie-de-vivre of 'Ye
> hariyaali aur ye raasta'? The film also starred Helen. What song
> did she get to sing on screen? What was the situation of her dance?
> Did you throw coins on any song on screen in the theatre? And what did
> you read about the film and its music later in newspapers and
> magazines? Did you agree with them? Did any artiste talk about the
> film or its music years later? If yes, what did they say? Let's go
> back, recall, and share.
>
> Thanks,
> Asif
This is a very good idea! But I think, I'll disappoint you with my
memories of this movie.
I think I saw the movie first and last time in the late 70's on Bombay
Doordarshan. I was still small then and can remember only some
mountains and such. But the music I remember quite well, but that is
most probaly due to Vividh Bharati, where the songs were qutie often
played.
Around the time, when the movie was shown on Doordarshan. I can
remember my aunt humming "ka.nkadiiya maar ke jagaayaa". Few weeks ago,
as I saw the song on you tube, I was aghast at the gaudy colours of the
60's! I was thinking, why I couldn't remember this, then I remembered,
when I saw the movie in the latte 70's on Doordarshan it was in black
and white.
Personally I like only the above song from this movie and as usual find
neither Mala Sinha's dancing nor the picturisation suitabale for the
song. But I am maybe prejudiced, Mala Sinha was/is not my fav heroine.
The only movie in which I liked her, was Pyaasa and Maya. Tehre was a
time in late 80's, where Doordarrshan used to bring a spate of Mala
Sinha songs. My friends and I at the college used to groan the next day
at this torture!
rgds
Pramod
Poma
"Pramod" <harv...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I got to see HaR in early 90's when cable tv boom was felt all over and they
showed this film where Shankar[MK] and Shobana[MS] had to part ways for
samaaj ki laaj as the very honest Manmohan Krishna, who played father of MS
tries to explain to her that the dream to marry MK won't be fulfilled as
they come from a poor background. I remember Om Prakash playing the drunkard
villain.
The songs were always in my memory as I grew up listening to them when radio
was still at prime position as far as entertainment was concerned. I think
the most popular was Ibtadaa e ishq mein ham, saari raat jaage.
Somehow I get confused between HaR and Himalay Ki God Mein. The major
difference being HaR is in black and white and HKGM is in colour.
Rgds Poms
Abhay Phadnis
(snip)
> This is a very good idea! But I think, I'll disappoint you with my
> memories of this movie.
> I think I saw the movie first and last time in the late 70's on Bombay
> Doordarshan. I was still small then and can remember only some
> mountains and such. But the music I remember quite well, but that is
> most probaly due to Vividh Bharati, where the songs were qutie often
> played.
>
> Around the time, when the movie was shown on Doordarshan. I can
> remember my aunt humming "ka.nkadiiya maar ke jagaayaa". Few weeks ago,
Your movie is different from Asif's movie. The awful starcast is the
same, but that's about all - the music of "H aur R" is by SJ while the
music of "Himalay Ki God Mein" was by Kalyanji-Anandji. And yes, the
song you mention was indeed the saving grace of the latter movie
(though a lot of otherwise sane people have an unaccountable liking for
"chaa.Nd sii mahabuubaa ho merii"!).
Warm regards,
Abhay
Pramod
Abhay Phadnis schrieb:
> Your movie is different from Asif's movie. The awful starcast is the
> same, but that's about all - the music of "H aur R" is by SJ while the
> music of "Himalay Ki God Mein" was by Kalyanji-Anandji. And yes, the
> song you mention was indeed the saving grace of the latter movie
> (though a lot of otherwise sane people have an unaccountable liking for
> "chaa.Nd sii mahabuubaa ho merii"!).
>
> Warm regards,
> Abhay
Thank you Abhay and Poma!
I realised, thanks to your mailings, that I was barking up the wrong
tree.
ye padkar mai.n sharam ke maare paanii paanii ho gaya!! So much that, I
have to live in a bottle now! O! that is another story altogether! ;-))
Well, as you see, H aur R is nearly non existent in my memory, even if
it is, it is in the maze, where haryaali and raasta and himalaya and
god are seriously entangled.
Yeah one thing I do remember, and that is the title song. I could never
understand it. the song goes: bol merii taqadiir me.n kyaa hai mere
hamasafar ab to bataa, jiivan ke do pahaluu hai.n hariyaalii aur
raastaa.
That life has two sides, okay, I can somehow agree on that, but why
hariyaali and why raastaa. meadows and road!!! Sounds greek to me. Can
anybody who is enlightened on this subject, please help an ignorant man
like me!
Pramod (in dark, as usual!)
Shalini
"Abhay Phadnis" <apha...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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As a kid I used to like "main to ik khwaab hoon" from HKGM. It's a typical
Mukesh for K-A song but a little more soulful than usual.
Shalini
> Warm regards,
> Abhay
>
s.bhouman
back on TV. The only things I remember are that the hero was Manoj
Kumar and the title song "HaR" was somewhat based on Charukesi.
Sukesh
1) Hit film - 25 weeks (in Bombay and other metros)
2) Super hit - 50 weeks, 60 weeks, 75 weeks and so on.
3) A semi-hit - 100 days.
Regards
Sukesh
Poma
"Sukesh" <sukesh...@NOSPAMyahoo.co.in> wrote in message
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And these days................
1] Hit film - 2 weeks
2] Super Hit - 4 weeks {overseas and Indian metros}
3] Semi- Hit 3 weeks
Much also depends on how mainstream newspapers rate them in their reviews.
Titanic which was a super duper blockbuster was rated 4 star, one star less
by "leader- The Times of India"
Rgds Poms
Sukesh
The principal reason I went to see the movie was its music. Didn't care
much about the stars and the story. Though I do not recall if the film was
a hit or not ? Probably completed 100 days in metros, but not sure.
Whatever success the film may have achieved, the major reason was its
music.
Subsequently, I have watched the movie in parts whenever shown on TV.
Excellent orchestration for all its songs (IMO, the credit should go to
Sebastian D'Souza). Even today, the songs appear to be mint fresh. My
favourite song 'Ibtidaa-e-ishq mein', followed by 'yeh hariyali aur
rassta'.
Regards
Sukesh
PS: I still prefer to watch black and white films.
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
I like this song. Nothing horribly wrong as such with "Chaand Si
Mehbooba" IMO, but this one's better.
Sanjeev
Sukesh
Re : Ratings
In those days, the Filmfare critic - I think he was one Bikram Singh - was
very strict with the ratings.
The joke was that the success of a film was inversely proportional to
rating by Bikram Singh.
Probably producers would shudder if their films were awarded 3 or more
stars.
For example (if I recall correctly), Oonche Log (1965) was awarded 4 stars
and the film sank without a trace. Though the film deserved the rating and
the music (4 songs) by Chitragupta was excellent, especially 'Jaag
Dil-e-Deewaanaa' by Rafi. I liked the film.
Regards
Sukesh
Abhijit
Asif wrote:
>
> This film starred a relatively new hero Manoj Kumar and a seasoned
> actress Mala Sinha in lead roles. In fact, this was Manoj Kumar's
> first hit of his career. Shashikala in the role of the hero's brash
> wife provided wonderful support to the lead pair. The film's
> highlight, however, was Shankar-Jaikishan's scintillating music. I
> believe almost all of those songs became immensely popular then, with
> 'Ibtidaa-e-ishq mein', 'Bol meri taqdeer mein kya hai', 'Ye
> hariyaali aur ye raasta', 'Laakhon taare aasmaan mein', and
> 'Teri yaad dil se' exciting us even today.
>
choosing this film though as I incidentally happen to hum "terii yaad
dil se bhulaane chalaa huu.n" a lot these days.
Asif
lively, chulbuli actress and really excelled in light roles, such as in
Love Marriage, Ujala, Himalaya Ki God Mein, Do Kaliyan, Aankhen, and
Hariyaali Aur Raasta among a lot of others. Since I have not seen this
musical hit yet, I would love to know how she acted in those songs.
Kindly enlighten us with your good, old days when you watched the film
and listened to its music. No matter how much you disliked the film or
its music, I am mainly interested in your reaction at THAT time. As a
bonus, you might also tell us how others around reacted to the music at
THAT time again.
The purpose of 'Let's Go Back' series is not to analyze the music per
se, but just to share our memories (hate, love, awe, surprise, delight)
of the music of those musical hits. If you hated the music of any
film, just let us know about that too - it counts.
Asif
Asif
between the two movies on some other thread recently. :-)
Asif
Asif
maybe few days before. I am also curious if people did not really care
about the star cast those days? Does that mean music of this film was
really the sole crowdpuller? How about Mala Sinha? What song did
Helen get to dance to?
I have always loved 'Bol meri taqdeer mein kya hai' and 'Ye hariyaali
aur ye raasta' ever since I first listened to them on the radio around
1977.
Asif
pradeep
Sukesh wrote:
> I saw 'Hariyali Aur Raasta' way back in 1962-63.
> The principal reason I went to see the movie was its music. Didn't care
> much about the stars and the story. Though I do not recall if the film was
> a hit or not ? Probably completed 100 days in metros, but not sure.
> Whatever success the film may have achieved, the major reason was its
> music.
>
> Subsequently, I have watched the movie in parts whenever shown on TV.
>
> Excellent orchestration for all its songs (IMO, the credit should go to
> Sebastian D'Souza).
Also to Dattaram for excellent rhythm arrangements. Especially the one
for 'laakho tare aasmaan me' has a congo and tabla combination that is
outstanding. And as it always was with SJ's pre-65 songs, the dholak in
'ye hariyaali aur ye raasta' was a gem.
I was a kid when the film was released so didn't see it. Also for some
reason, this film did not appear again on the 11 o' clock matinee
release anytime through late 60's - mid 70's (my college days spent
happily in various theatres around central and south Mumbai, watching
good old films). But the music made an impression on me when the film
ran in Mumbai- especially the two title songs.
....Pradeep
......Pradeep
pradeep
Sukesh wrote:
> I saw 'Hariyali Aur Raasta' way back in 1962-63.
> The principal reason I went to see the movie was its music. Didn't care
> much about the stars and the story. Though I do not recall if the film was
> a hit or not ? Probably completed 100 days in metros, but not sure.
> Whatever success the film may have achieved, the major reason was its
> music.
>
> Subsequently, I have watched the movie in parts whenever shown on TV.
>
> Excellent orchestration for all its songs (IMO, the credit should go to
> Sebastian D'Souza).
Also to Dattaram for excellent rhythm arrangements. Especially the one
for 'laakho tare aasmaan me' has a congo and tabla combination that is
outstanding. And as it always was with SJ's pre-65 songs, the dholak in
'ye hariyaali aur ye raasta' was a gem.
I was a kid when the film was released so didn't see it. Also for some
reason, this film did not appear again on the 11 o' clock matinee
release anytime through late 60's - mid 70's (my college days spent
happily in various theatres around central and south Mumbai, watching
good old films). But the music made an impression on me when the film
ran in Mumbai- especially the two title songs.
....Pradeep
......Pradeep
Even today, the songs appear to be mint fresh. My
Abhay Jain
"Sanjeev Ramabhadran" <sanjeev.r...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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The train in this thread has jumped off track from
Hariyali Aur Raasta to Himlay Ki God Mein.
AJ
AR
There is another nice song in this movie "ek tuu na mila saari duniyaa
mile bhee to..." which has both sad and happy versions. But my pick is
"main to ek khwaab hoon".
> Sanjeev
Sukesh
because in Nasik (where I spent much of 50s and 60s) the films were
released some weeks/months after the Bombay release, except for some
anticipated block-busters like Mughal-e-Azam, Sangam, Guide etc., which
was considered an event with capital E and raised lot of expections about
the films in question.
IMO, yes, whatever success the film achieved, music was a major reason. I
do not remember Helen in the film, but probably she sang (and danced)
"Parwaano Ki Raah Men" (Asha & chorus), but I must be way off the mark. My
guestimate is from the listing on a cassette tape and at the moment I do
not have a tape deck/player to listen to any of the tapes I have at the
moment.
Being a younster then, except for top notch stars, I did not bother about
stars. Mala Sinha & Manoj Kumar were not 'top notch' then. Though, I must
say, Mala Sinha got to act in many memorable films (she seemed to be a
favourite of BR Films then) - Dhool Ka Phool, Dharamputra, Gumrah and host
of Hindi films from South. Probably some Mala Sinha fan would enlighten us
further. Manoj Kumar was probably was always an 'also ran' until he made
and starred in Upkar in 1966/67
My list of stars who I must have bothered about were Dilip Kumar, Dev
Anand, Nutan and a host of comedians. Overtly sob stories (they were
plenty then) for me were a no-go.
Regards
Sukesh
Sukesh
Pictures and directed by Vijay Bhatt. With the success of HAR, the lead
stars were repeated in HKGM. To my surprise, HKGM won the Filmfare's best
picture award for 1964.
Regards
Sukesh
Sukesh
Why no SJ for HKGM after such an excellent score in HAR ? Possibly,
because by then most film makers could not afford to pay them their fees.
More about it at some other time in an appropriate post.
Regards
Sukesh
Shalini
"Asif" <alvi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Come on, Abhay Sahab, the star cast was not bad. Mala Sinha was a very
> lively, chulbuli actress and really excelled in light roles, such as in
> Love Marriage, Ujala, Himalaya Ki God Mein, Do Kaliyan, Aankhen, and
> Hariyaali Aur Raasta among a lot of others. Since I have not seen this
> musical hit yet, I would love to know how she acted in those songs.
>
Each to his own, but Mala Sinha tops my list of "icky" actresses.:-) Can't
stand her. Coming to H aur R, I can't differeniate it's story from HKGM and
yet another Manoj-Mala starrer "Apne Hue Paraye." In all three cases, my
favorite song from the film is a Mukesh solo. I've already mentioned "main
to ek khwaab hoon" from HKGM, but from Hariyaali aur Raasta I really like
"teri yaad dil se" and from AHP, "koi bulaye aur koi aaye." In general, I
think the two S-J movies had better music than HKGM.
Shalini
> Asif
UVR
> I very vaguely remember this movie I had seen roughly some 15 years
> back on TV. The only things I remember are that the hero was Manoj
> Kumar and the title song "HaR" was somewhat based on Charukesi.
>
Where is your 'sa'? Mine is at 'taa" (of raastaa), and in the
coordinate system of which that is the 'origin', the raga is definitely
not charukesi. I don't know what it is (probably sindhubhairavi, if
you use CCM terminology), but it's definitely not charukesi.
-UVR.
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
Um, it isn't? Maybe I'm not thinking of the same reference point you
are?
Sanjeev
UVR
<sanjeev.ramabhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> UVR wrote:
> > On Nov 28, 7:37 am, "s.bhouman" <s.bhou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I very vaguely remember this movie I had seen roughly some 15 years
> > > back on TV. The only things I remember are that the hero was Manoj
> > > Kumar and the title song "HaR" was somewhat based on Charukesi.
>
> > Where is your 'sa'? Mine is at 'taa" (of raastaa), and in the
> > coordinate system of which that is the 'origin', the raga is definitely
> > not charukesi. I don't know what it is (probably sindhubhairavi, if
>
> Sanjeev
I'll ask the same question again: where is your 'sa'?
The only way I can resolve the song to charukesi is if your reference
point at the second note of 'ye' ('ye-e' hariyaali aur 'ye-e' raastaa),
which does not feel 'natural' to me because it hangs the song (at least
the antaraa) on the shuddha ma! To me, it's more logical to anchor an
antaraa to the 'sa'.
-UVR.
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
Oh, that explains it...I'm thinking of the song "Bol Meri Taqdeer Men
Kya Hai" (the "other" title song of the movie), I was assuming that's
the one the original poster meant as well in the initial reference to
Charukeshi.
Sanjeev
UVR
<sanjeev.ramabhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> UVR wrote:
> > On Nov 29, 8:27 pm, "Sanjeev Ramabhadran"
> > <sanjeev.ramabhad...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > UVR wrote:
> > > > On Nov 28, 7:37 am, "s.bhouman" <s.bhou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > I very vaguely remember this movie I had seen roughly some 15 years
> > > > > back on TV. The only things I remember are that the hero was Manoj
> > > > > Kumar and the title song "HaR" was somewhat based on Charukesi.
>
> > > > Where is your 'sa'? Mine is at 'taa" (of raastaa), and in the
> > > > coordinate system of which that is the 'origin', the raga is definitely
> > > > not charukesi. I don't know what it is (probably sindhubhairavi, if
> > > > you use CCM terminology), but it's definitely not charukesi.Um, it isn't? Maybe I'm not thinking of the same reference point you are?
>
> > > Sanjeev
>
> > I'll ask the same question again: where is your 'sa'?
>
> > The only way I can resolve the song to charukesi is if your reference
> > point at the second note of 'ye' ('ye-e' hariyaali aur 'ye-e' raastaa),
> > which does not feel 'natural' to me because it hangs the song (at least
> > the antaraa) on the shuddha ma! To me, it's more logical to anchor an
> Kya Hai" (the "other" title song of the movie), I was assuming that's
> the one the original poster meant as well in the initial reference to
> Charukeshi.
>
> Sanjeev
You're probably right. I was misled by the phrase "THE title song"
(emphasis mine).
-UVR.
s.bhouman
reacting from memory. The second line actually giving out the title,
seemed to me as having shades of charukesi. Possibly, it is Bhairavi
(in HCM) and Sindubhairavi (in CCM). Classic example of Bhairavi, of
course, is "tu ganga ki mauj mein" in Baiju Bawra. Does HaR fall in the
category?
BTW, someone seems to have got annoyed with this raag discussion on
this group (indicating "discussing Indian music in general), splintered
off to discuss better things like the gyrations of Mala Sinha.
s.bhouman
I am not a shastriya pundit. But when I played the song (from whatever
I could remember) the first two lines of Har seem to fall within the
surs of charukesi. Would you mind jotting down the notations of atleast
the first two lines? I should be thankful
Asif
songs. This information is very much part of my collection of memories
of those days that I am planning to normalize in a database format and
save them there.
By the way, please do not be offended by Afzal Sahab's response to my
series on a separate thread. He just said this: "Except that more
recent responses lay stress upon the raag of its title song. So I
decided to post a separate response, FWIW. "
By no means, he degraded your discussion on raag. He just meant to
shift focus on his memories, nothing else. Please continue to
enlighten us with your knowledge and memories of those days. Thanks.
Asif
s.bhouman
by the gesture of your generosity.
Regards.
s.bhouman
s.bhouman wrote:
> Sorry UVR, for the immediate follow up.
> I am not a shastriya pundit. But when I played the song (from whatever
> I could remember) the first two lines of Har seem to fall within the
> surs of charukesi. Would you mind jotting down the notations of atleast
> the first two lines? I should be thankful
UVR/ SR,
I await very eagerly your confirmation/ comments on the raag of this
song. To make it clearer, I am referring to the song where in the words
"HaR" appear. May not be the title song.
Ritu
> Every week to every other week I will add a particular film to the
> series and would appreciate response from everybody, especially from
> our senior members like Kalraji, Surjit Sahab, Afzal Sahab, and UVR, on
> the music of this film. We can talk about anything related to the
> film; however, the focus of this series would be on the film's music.
Wonderful series Asif. I am not sure if I am too late for this thread
(since you have already started the next one!) and I am also not sure
if I am eligible for the comments since I was no where in sight when
these films were released.. I shall nevertheless still add my two bits
:).
I was introduced to most of these 50s and 60s sagas during my growing
up years in the 80s through good old Doordarshan. The sunday film was
the most awaited event in the week those days and though I personally
preferred playing hide-n-seek, my playmates would suddenly all vanish
into the thin air every sunday evening. No amount of cajoling and
jostling would keep them outdoors. So I would be left with little
choice other than read my Enid Blytons and watch the tearful Meena
Kumari/ Mala Sinha sagas that DD was particularly fond off. I usually
sat through these films with an Enid Blyton in hand!
Coming to this particular film. I think I must have caught it for the
first time when I was a little older. Probably in the 8th or 9th
standard. The one thing that sticks in my mind is the lovely hilly
outdoors in the two title songs and Mala Sinha bobbing up and down like
a balloon to the fast tempo :). She actually was quite a specimen. Very
over-the-top histrionics. Another peppy song was 'Allah jaane kya hoga
aage'.
The memory I have most relevant to this discussion is that I remember
asking my elder brother the meaning of the title 'Hariyali aur Raasta'.
I remember his answer did not satisfy me. IIRC he said that the
Hariyali is never on the Raasta but lining it. Meaning it signifies two
different aspects of life. Wherein 'Hariyali' is the more restful state
and Raasta is the state of motion.
What is the interpretation on this group? It is one of my unsolved
mysteries.
Cheers
Ritu
Asif
You are very welcome to share whatever you know yourself or heard from
others or even read much later. Like you I also was not around when
those films captivated the filmgoers and easily breezed into legend.
To make up for the lost time that I never knew or saw, I am collecting
whatever memories others can reflect on now. Strangely, whenever I
watch those old films or listen to their music, I try to imagine the
mood and magic of those days and try to float back, but the reverie
does not last long. As soon the film finishes or the song ends, I fall
back with a thud. I can only imagine how much those folks enjoyed the
cinema and the music then, when there were no VCRs, no cheap cassette
players, and, worse, no certainty about when they would get to see a
missed film again or hear a missed song again on the not-so-ubiquitous
radio. Then they would also talk a lot about those films and their
music with their family and friends. Today we do not have time to
enjoy even 10 minutes of the fun, let alone watching it full-length and
talking excitedly about it later with others. Those were really good,
old days.
Asif
Asif
>
> The memory I have most relevant to this discussion is that I remember
> asking my elder brother the meaning of the title 'Hariyali aur Raasta'.
> I remember his answer did not satisfy me. IIRC he said that the
> Hariyali is never on the Raasta but lining it. Meaning it signifies two
> different aspects of life. Wherein 'Hariyali' is the more restful state
> and Raasta is the state of motion.
>
> What is the interpretation on this group? It is one of my unsolved
> mysteries.
>
I have no idea either and have always wanted to know this too. Pramod
also asked about it in his post. Can somebody please help us?
Asif
skalr...@yahoo.com
I'll write my recollections later, but for now, the meaning of the
words Hariyaalii and Raastaa, are actually given in the sad version of
the song itself, "...jiivan ke do pahaluu hain, hariyaalii aur
raastaa...".
Interestingly, the happy version was written by Hasrat and the other
one by Shailendra.
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
s.bhouman
Somebody please help. I can't sleep!
Poma
"Ritu" <ritucha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Remember they say that its Never Too Late and you surely shared some
interesting tidbits about the days bygone. Indeed those were the days when
DD ruled the roost and I remember too how for just 3-5 songs on Chhayageet
would make us wait. There was Saptahiki, a program that showcased what all
was to be to telecast the next week and they would show some hit song that
was to be telecast in Chhayageet. Atleast for the next 3-4days one would
hear someone humming those songs or discussing about them and ditto for the
Sunday evening films.
Asifbhai is right too in his reply to your post that we just do not seem to
enjoy the films lately even though these days we have well cushioned seats
with a nearly Rs. 30-40 popcorn and other snacks and the airconditioned
ambience. The romance is just missing.
As far as I understand Hariyali means the world in general and Hariyali in
terms of greenery= peace is what we all seek in life and yet the Raasta we
have to choose wading through this Hariyali even if we are tempted/attracted
to stay put.
Rgds Poms
asi...@my-deja.com
skalr...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Asif wrote:
> > >
> > > The memory I have most relevant to this discussion is that I remember
> > > asking my elder brother the meaning of the title 'Hariyali aur Raasta'.
> > > I remember his answer did not satisfy me. IIRC he said that the
> > > Hariyali is never on the Raasta but lining it. Meaning it signifies two
> > > different aspects of life. Wherein 'Hariyali' is the more restful state
> > > and Raasta is the state of motion.
> > >
> > > What is the interpretation on this group? It is one of my unsolved
> > > mysteries.
> > >
> >
> > I have no idea either and have always wanted to know this too. Pramod
> > also asked about it in his post. Can somebody please help us?
> >
> > Asif
>
> I'll write my recollections later, but for now, the meaning of the
> words Hariyaalii and Raastaa, are actually given in the sad version of
> the song itself, "...jiivan ke do pahaluu hain, hariyaalii aur
> raastaa...".
>
It is still not clear to me. :-)
Cheers
Arun
skalr...@yahoo.com
Well - then how about "Kushii" aur "Gam", or "bahaar" and "patjha.D".
Happy Listneings.
Satish Kalra
surjit singh
That's is the problem! hariyali and rasta don't appear to be polar
opposites in any way.
>
> Happy Listneings.
>
> Satish Kalra
Sukesh
Come happiness (Khushii) or sorrow (Gum) - the two would still be with
together, as one of the title song seems to suggest - somewhat akin to
marriage vows.
Regards
Sukesh
s.bhouman
Although deviating from the main topic, this is quite an interesting
one. Khushi and Gum are inseparable. In fact they are not two different
things, but the same, viewed from different sides. In a dynamic
predicament that life provides the view often tends to be myopic and
one is taken for the other. Ample instances could be available from
anybody's or rather everybody's life.
Surjit Singh
Sukesh wrote:
Yes, that might work.
>
> Regards
> Sukesh
>
>
Ritu
So you mean to say they are sort of complimentary? Yes that sorts of
make sense but not completely. The line 'Jeevan ke do pehlu hain
hariyali aur raasta' seems to imply a contrast. But I have the same
doubt as Prof Saab. 'Hariyali' aur 'Raasta' don't seem like polar
opposites in fact they don't seem to have any relation at all!
I mean why 'hariyali' aur 'raasta' why not 'nadi' aur 'raasta' or
'phool' aur 'vruskh'... or anything else? What is the thread of thought
that relates the metaphor 'hariyali' to 'raasta' ?
The interpretation of hariyali being a restful state (where one spends
time relaxing) and raasta meaning a state of motion might still hold
ground then? 'Raasta' or 'raah' are generally related to a journey.. in
this case the journey of life. Could we relate Hariyali to 'sitting
back and reflecting or relaxing'. One has to step off the 'Raasta' to
get to the hariyali.
Cheers
Ritu
Sukesh
Jaipuri and Shailendra could have answered that.
I was referring to the other title song - yeh hariyaali aur yeh raasta,
"in raahon par tay_raa may_raa jiwan bhar kaa waastaa"
Walking on "hariyaali" is more comforting than on a "rasta". What she is
saying - come rain or sunshine - we would be together. The 'two' referred
to 'jeevan saathis'. Brevity, I think, left it to be interpreted
differenly.
S Bhouman considers - comfort and hardship (khushii and gum) as
complimentary - two sides of the sane coin.
IMO, his interpretation is as valid as the next person's.
Regards
Sukesh
asi...@my-deja.com
Ritu wrote:
>
> I mean why 'hariyali' aur 'raasta' why not 'nadi' aur 'raasta' or
> 'phool' aur 'vruskh'... or anything else? What is the thread of thought
> that relates the metaphor 'hariyali' to 'raasta' ?
[snipped for brevity]
The motif of hariyali and raasta is not uncommon to English poetry.
However, the two are not always indicated as opposites (or as
complementary opposites in the sense of ying-yang). My confusion arises
with the way it has been used in this film, as Surjitji pointed out; in
the sense of polar opposites.
Consider Robert Frost's 'God's Garden'
[http://www.ketzle.com/frost/godsgarden.html ]
where the pathway and garden have varying implications that depend on
the character that placed it (God vs devil) and it becomes all clear at
the end, when Frost writes:
= =
O, cease to heed the glamour
That blinds your foolish eyes,
Look upward to the glitter
Of stars in God's clear skies.
Their ways are pure and harmless
And will not lead astray,
Bid aid your erring footsteps
To keep the narrow way.
And when the sun shines brightly
Tend flowers that God has given
And keep the pathway open
That leads you on to heaven.
= =
Whitman, of course, uses it frequently amidst his various poems in
'Leaves of Grass'. I cannot recall if Keats or Shelley wrote poems on
this theme. They, as you all know, inspired Shailendra a great deal.
I do suspect as others have done that Shailendra, in an ironical way,
has used 'hariyali' in the sense of distractions/obstacles that hinder
you from your path/destination. In this case, the destination being his
union with his lover. For example:
= =
ahaa.N ham aa ke pahu.Nche hai.n vahaa.N se lauTakar jaanaa
nahii.n mumakin magar mushkil hai duniyaa se bhii Takaraanaa \-2
mu \: tere li_e ham kuchh bhii sahe.nge teraa dard ab dard meraa
jiivan ke do pahaluu hai.n hariyaalii aur raastaa
jahaa.N jis haal me.n bhii ho.n rahe.nge ham tumhaare hii
nadii saagar se milatii hai nahii.n milate kinaare hii \-2
mu \: apanaa\-apanaa hai ye muqaddar aaj kare.n ham kisase gilaa
jiivan ke do pahaluu hai.n hariyaalii aur raastaa
= =
Now, I have no idea what Hasrat meant in his version. :-)
Incidentally, I found a couple of songs on you tube
The ever popular Ibtidaa-e-ishq me.n ham saarii raat jaage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8T9lgUXaA0E&mode=related&search=
Cheers
Arun