Asha, Lata, and RD Burman: Who Really Won Over RD Burman?
Asif
where she talked about how she viewed her singing career in 3
different phases, each bringing a new voice and a new identity out of
her and forging a fruitful association with 3 different music
directors: post Naya Daur (1957), post Teesri Manzil (1966), and post
Umrao Jaan (1981).
While it is easy to see how and why the success of her songs in Naya
Daur and Umrao Jaan gave a new direction to her career, I fail to
understand what kinds of fruit RD Burman and Teesri Manzil brought
about to her. The super success of Teesri Manzil music led to only a
handful of big league or otherwise notable films for RDB in next few
years, namely, Chandan Ka Palna (1967), Padosan (1968), Abhilasha
(1968), Pyar Ka Mausam (1969), Waris (1969), and Kati Patang (1970).
Asha Bholse’s contribution in these films is none or bare minimum, and
Lata is prominently present in all of them.
Asha started to appear in more songs in RDB’s albums only in and after
1971, but even then Lata had either equal share of songs or more, or
sang seemingly more important songs, e.g. Hare Rama Hare Krishna,
Caravan, and Paraya Dhan. As it turned out, the seemingly less
important songs or, in other words, item numbers or songs filmed on
side heroines or vamps went on to become the biggest hits from those
albums – and they were all rendered by Asha Bhosle. It appears that
RDB started to give major share of his female songs to Asha only in
and after 1972 – after ‘dam maaro dam’ (Hare Rama Hare Krishna) – and,
sure enough, we see a lot more of Asha, wherever suitable, as in
Jawani Diwani, Gomti Ke Kinare, Apna Desh, Samadhi, and Seeta Aur
Geeta. But then Lata got a good representation in all these films,
except Jawani Diwani, too and a major chunk of RDB’s music in other
films this year.
Sure Teesri Manzil was a landmark film in Asha’s career, but did she
really eliminate Lata’s strong presence in RDB’s films ever, as a lot
of RDB fans would like to imagine? Sure Lata also sang countless
memorable solo songs (and probably a greater number of memorable duets
than Asha did) for RDB post Teesri Manzil, for example, ‘bhaai battuur
bhaai batturr’ (Padosan, 1968), ‘na jaa o mere hamadam’ (Pyar Ka
Mausam, 1969), ‘na ko_ii uma.ng hai’ (Kati Patang, 1970), ‘rainaa
biitii jaaye’ (Amar Prem, 1971), ‘ba.ngale ke piichhe’ (Samadhi,
1972), ‘yaarii ho ga_ii yaar se’ (Do Chor, 1972), ‘baaho.n me.n chale
aao’ (Anamika, 1973), and ‘mere nainaa saawan bhado.n’ (Mehbooba,
1976). But then why we only talk about RDB-Asha magic, or why media
has always gushed over RDB-Asha team, or why only Asha claims a
monopoly over RDB’s music and even cuts complimentary albums like
‘Rahul and I’. Is there more to all this apparently sentimental
campaign by Asha to attach herself to RDB’s music as if to make it
look incomplete without her charming voice, or it is that Lata was
never interested in marketing herself this way? Or Lata was more
saleable, as RDB probably realized post-1966 like his dad did earlier
during his infamous war with her? The Teesri Manzil album (with 4 hot
songs featuring Asha and none featuring Lata) sold like hot cakes, so
I doubt RDB got attracted to Lata just to sell his music. But then I
cannot help noticing that Lata’s name hardly sold RDB music like
Asha’s and Kishore’s did. That brings up another point for debate or,
in my case, conclusion: RDB like his dad did not really care about the
market of his music, and that he like his dad explored the best of
both worlds – Lata and Asha – and delivered a plethora of pulsating
music featuring both singers.
But then why just Asha talks about RDB and Lata hardly does?
Asif
kcp
Something which the industry had never seen before. Some kind of
energy and difficult songs that is a trademark of Asha.
For Lata, the great singer she was, it "had" to be magic , when she
sang for a supremely talented music director like RD.
All said and done, I feel Lata's songs with RD were equivalent to
"any" music director with Lata ( I have heard all of them )
kcp
surjit singh
Are you saying that you have heard at least one song of Lata with
every MD or are you saying that you have heard all songs of Lata with
all MDs ?
If latter, I want to talk to you :)
>
> kcp
kcp
Almost all in both cases :d kidding...All lata songs with all MD's -
there are big maharathi's like Snehasis, Dr Mandar etc...
What I am saying is a good amount of sampling from all MD's who had
great songs with Lata
surjit singh
OK. Let us carry it little further. Here is a list of MDs who worked
with Lata to have one song in one film.,
The following are one movie-one song MD's.
Kishor Kumar
E. Shankar Shastri
Arun Kumar
Anand Milind
S. Bannerji
Karnad + P. Ramakant
Ajit Merchant
S. Purushottam
Mukund Masurekar
Meena Mangeshkar
Ramkrishan Shinde
Raj Ratan
Malaya Chakravarti
Manoj Gyan
Mahesh naresh
Lachhiram
C. Arjun
Sapan Chakravarti
Gyan Dutt
Lala Sattar
Jay Kumar
Shridhar Parsekar
Madhusudan Acharya
Nadeem Shravan
Gulshan Sufi
Govind Naresh
Jugal Kishor Tilakraj
Jeetu Tapan
Shrikant
Jagjit Singh
Chand Pardesi
Ghanshyam
D. M. Tagore
Brij Bhushan
Pamarthi + Ashwatthama
Natraj
Bipin Babul
B. N. Bali
Prabhakar Jog
D. C. Dutt
How many of these have you heard or have?
kcp
surjit singh wrote:
> On Jun 6, 8:32 pm, kcp <kcpin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 6, 9:02 pm, surjit singh <surjitsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jun 5, 10:26 pm, kcp <kcpin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > For me RD was instrumental in bringing out the best from Asha.
> > > > Something which the industry had never seen before. Some kind of
> > > > energy and difficult songs that is a trademark of Asha.
> > > > For Lata, the great singer she was, it "had" to be magic , when she
> > > > sang for a supremely talented music director like RD.
> > > > All said and done, I feel Lata's songs with RD were equivalent to
> > > > "any" music director with Lata ( I have heard all of them )
> >
> > > Are you saying that you have heard at least one song of Lata with
> > > every MD or are you saying that you have heard all songs of Lata with
> > > all MDs ?
> >
> > > If latter, I want to talk to you :)
> >
> > > > kcp
> >
> > Almost all in both cases :d kidding...All lata songs with all MD's -
> > there are big maharathi's like Snehasis, Dr Mandar etc...
> >
> > What I am saying is a good amount of sampling from all MD's who had
> > great songs with Lata
>
> OK. Let us carry it little further. Here is a list of MDs who worked
> with Lata to have one song in one film.,
>
> The following are one movie-one song MD's.
>
> Kishor Kumar
Heard
All 4 HFM songs that kishore composed for lata were lovely. 2 of them
were mindblowing. The 2 other non film, bengali were also superb gems.
> E. Shankar Shastri
Not heard
> Arun Kumar
Heard
> Anand Milind
Heard.
> S. Bannerji
> Karnad + P. Ramakant
Heard
> Ajit Merchant
Heard
> S. Purushottam
Heard
> Mukund Masurekar
Not heard
> Meena Mangeshkar
Heard. I like the Marathi ones more
> Ramkrishan Shinde
Not heard
> Raj Ratan
Not heard
> Malaya Chakravarti
Not heard
> Manoj Gyan
Heard
> Mahesh naresh
Heard
> Lachhiram
Heard
> C. Arjun
Heard
> Sapan Chakravarti
Heard
> Gyan Dutt
Not sure
> Lala Sattar
Heard
> Jay Kumar
Not sure
> Shridhar Parsekar
Not heard
> Madhusudan Acharya
Not heard
> Nadeem Shravan
Heard
> Gulshan Sufi
Not heard
> Govind Naresh
Heard
> Jugal Kishor Tilakraj
Heard
> Jeetu Tapan
Heard
> Shrikant
Not heard
> Jagjit Singh
Heard
> Chand Pardesi
Heard
> Ghanshyam
Heard
> D. M. Tagore
Not heard
> Brij Bhushan
Heard
> Pamarthi + Ashwatthama
Not heard
> Natraj
Not heard
> Bipin Babul
Heard
> B. N. Bali
Not heard
> Prabhakar Jog
Heard
> D. C. Dutt
Not sure
>
Abhay Jain
"Asif" <alvi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Asif
I don't recall the interview source where Asha complained
about RDB by stating "Achchhe Gane To Didi Ko Hi Mile".
I would interpret that as implying better songs of RDB
were with Lata as per Asha.
AJ
Asif
>
> I don't recall the interview source where Asha complained
> about RDB by stating "Achchhe Gane To Didi Ko Hi Mile".
> I would interpret that as implying better songs of RDB
> were with Lata as per Asha.
>
'piyaa tuu ab to aajaa' (Caravan, 1971), 'dam maaro dam' (Hare Rama
Hare Krishna, 1971), 'churaa liyaa hai' (Yaadon Ki Baaraat, 1973), and
'sapanaa meraa TuuT gayaa' (Khel Khel Mein, 1975), for example, bhi
achchhe gaane the, lekin wo to didi ko naheen mile :-)
I think she was behaving as a cultured lady in praise of her didi;
otherwise, she knows she sang a whole lot of good songs for RDB too,
or, who knows, maybe she wanted to sing all of them and leave none for
her didi, maybe wishing an encore of her teaming with OPN ;-)
Ketan
Asif says...
>
>I recall an interview of Asha Bhosle (from Filmfare, early =9190s),
>where she talked about how she viewed her singing career in 3
>different phases, each bringing a new voice and a new identity out of
>her and forging a fruitful association with 3 different music
>directors: post Naya Daur (1957), post Teesri Manzil (1966), and post
>Umrao Jaan (1981).
>
>While it is easy to see how and why the success of her songs in Naya
>Daur and Umrao Jaan gave a new direction to her career, I fail to
>understand what kinds of fruit RD Burman and Teesri Manzil brought
>about to her.
You say it is easy to see how "Naya Daur" and "Umrao Jaan" gave new direction to
her career? I am hard pressed to see what it was she did in both those movies
that changed the direction of her career. If you are saying "Naya Daur" was the
seed of a personal/professional relationship that Asha started with OPN then why
not accord the same status to "Teesri Manzil"?
Ketan
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> In article <97516e4c-2683-48c0-a34e-3a387ada8...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
My recollection is that Naya Daur was one of the first prominent A-
list soundtracks featuring AB as the lead female voice - is this not
true?
Sanjeev
Arunabha
wrote:
> My recollection is that Naya Daur was one of the first prominent A-
> list soundtracks featuring AB as the lead female voice - is this not
> true?
I have a similar recollection of an interview where Asha claimed that
"maa.Ng ke saath tumhaaraa" was her first prominent hit song. I have
read another interview where the "first hit" song cited was the
earlier "gore gore haatho.n me.n" from Parineeta, but of course that
would not have been as high-profile as Naya Daur.
As to RDB ...
Isn't Teesri Manzil Asha's earliest hit (or maybe even earliest)
soundtrack with RDB ? I can only think of her singing (solo) for RDB
in Pati Patni before that. With iconic songs like "aa jaa aa jaa mai.n
huu.N pyaar teraa" it is a fair choice as a milestone.
It began the whole pattern of her singing these kinds of songs under
him.
-- Arunabha
surjit singh
> On Jun 9, 9:23 pm, Sanjeev Ramabhadran <sanjeev.ramabhad...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > My recollection is that Naya Daur was one of the first prominent A-
> > list soundtracks featuring AB as the lead female voice - is this not
> > true?
>
> I have a similar recollection of an interview where Asha claimed that
> "maa.Ng ke saath tumhaaraa" was her first prominent hit song. I have
> read another interview where the "first hit" song cited was the
> earlier "gore gore haatho.n me.n" from Parineeta, but of course that
> would not have been as high-profile as Naya Daur.
My memory is that of chaNdaamaamaa duur ke, puye pakaaye.N buur ke
Asif
> On Jun 9, 10:24 am, Arunabha <roy.aruna...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 9, 9:23 pm, Sanjeev Ramabhadran <sanjeev.ramabhad...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > > My recollection is that Naya Daur was one of the first prominent A-
> > > list soundtracks featuring AB as the lead female voice - is this not
> > > true?
>
> > I have a similar recollection of an interview where Asha claimed that
> > "maa.Ng ke saath tumhaaraa" was her first prominent hit song. I have
> > read another interview where the "first hit" song cited was the
> > earlier "gore gore haatho.n me.n" from Parineeta, but of course that
> > would not have been as high-profile as Naya Daur.
>
> My memory is that of chaNdaamaamaa duur ke, puye pakaaye.N buur ke
>
My [second-hand] memory is that of 'ai Gam-e-dil kyaa karuu.N'. I
cannot recall the film name off the top of my head, but Ameen Sayani
features this hit song to represent Asha Bhosle in his 'Pre-1954' part
of the HMV Geet Mala Hit Parade series. Still I would think that
Talat's version of this song was even more popular in those days.
surjit singh
Of course, all the songs of Nagin (1954) were very popular in my
village, including yaad rakhanaa. I and my friends 'sang' (!) all 12
of them :).
Asif
Aap aaye bahaar aayi! Where have you been, Ketan? I really missed
your spicy presence here :-)
Anyway, as Sanjeev and Anurabha said in their responses, Asha's first
wholesale hit album (and also by way of being the heroine's choice
voice) was Naya Daur (1957). Plus, unlike RDB-Asha team, the OPN-Asha
association immediately got going right in that year (Tumsa Nahin
Dekha - this film came later that year) and more frequently every
year. As I discussed, I do not find any notable Asha-RDB films in
1967-70 period. And that's why I find it a bit odd to see Asha citing
Teesri Manzil "starting a new phase" for her. I think Teesri Manzil,
though a landmark film for her, did nothing for both her and RDB for
next few years what Naya Daur and Umrao Jaan did for her, OPN, and
Khayyam. Let me find that interview today/tomorrow and will post more
Asha talk.
As for other solitary, one-off hits that Anurabha and Professor Singh
mention, they really did not change the course for Asha like Naya Daur
did, and that's why Asha rates Naya Daur as a landmark film for her
career.
Asif
Asif
Sorry Arunabha for the typos in your name.
sm0...@gmail.com
> On Jun 8, 10:05 am, "Abhay Jain" <abjuk0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > I don't recall the interview source where Asha complained
> > about RDB by stating "Achchhe Gane To Didi Ko Hi Mile".
> > I would interpret that as implying better songs of RDB
> > were with Lata as per Asha.
>
> 'piyaa tuu ab to aajaa' (Caravan, 1971), 'dam maaro dam' (Hare Rama
> Hare Krishna, 1971), 'churaa liyaa hai' (Yaadon Ki Baaraat, 1973), and
> 'sapanaa meraa TuuT gayaa' (Khel Khel Mein, 1975), for example, bhi
> achchhe gaane the, lekin wo to didi ko naheen mile :-)
In the above list, only "Chura liya hai tumne..." would qualify as an
"Achha gaana" that Asha was referring to in her interview. While the
definition of a good song will vary from person to person, the "Achhe
gaane" were those that were picturized on the main heroine and were of
the non-cabaret, non-flippant variety. Using this definition, Asha is
correct that RDB's "Achhe gaane" almost always went to Lata. Asha
typically got the left-overs after Didi had had her share. One of the
few times when RDB trusted Asha with his "Achhe gaane" was in Ijaazat
- pretty late in his career. Most of his major hits were dominated by
Lata singing for the heroine.
> I think she was behaving as a cultured lady in praise of her didi;
> otherwise, she knows she sang a whole lot of good songs for RDB too,
RDB is given way too much credit in shaping Asha's career, at times
even more than OPN, which is a big joke. For OPN, there was just Asha
- period. The Burmans, on the other hand, mostly used Asha only when
Lata couldn't or wouldn't want to deliver. Asha was always, as Dada
Burman said, the second serve.
> or, who knows, maybe she wanted to sing all of them and leave none for
> her didi, maybe wishing an encore of her teaming with OPN ;-)
She craved for RDB's serious compositions which seldom came her way -
songs such as those in Aandhi, Amar Prem and Parichay, to name a few.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)
kcp
> RDB is given way too much credit in shaping Asha's career, at times
> even more than OPN, which is a big joke.
Yes its a joke if people say that Asha was not famous before RDB came
in her career. NOT if otherwise ( i.e. with respect to her overall
career )
> For OPN, there was just Asha
> - period.
:-) very true
> The Burmans, on the other hand, mostly used Asha only when
> Lata couldn't or wouldn't want to deliver.
Wake up !!
> Asha was always, as Dada
> Burman said, the second serve.
:-O Pray tell me that Dada or Pancham told you this personally ( also
it would be interesting to know that they told this to the likes of
Raju Bharatan )
kcp
Asif
I think I got the point about Asha rating Teesri Manzil as new phase
in her career - it was an all-Asha album by way of female voice. By
1966 only OPN had given her all songs in a film (a lot of films in
fact). I would be interested in knowing if any other MD, besides OPN
and RDB, gave all female songs to Asha before 1966 or ever. Anyway,
Teesri Manzil was a big non-OPN film, Asha sang all female songs in
it, and all those songs became big hits - so no wonder she rates it as
a landmark.
> - period. The Burmans, on the other hand, mostly used Asha only when
> Lata couldn't or wouldn't want to deliver. Asha was always, as Dada
> Burman said, the second serve.
>
I am not sure if I understand this claim. Do you mean SDB "even
probably" thought about (let alone discussing with anyone) Lata for
'raat akelii hai' (Jewel Thief, 1967), 'kitanii akelii kitanii
tanahaa' (Talash, 1969), or 'reshmaii ujaalaa hai' (Sharmilee, 1971)?
I know you say "*mostly* used Asha only ...", but I still find it hard
to digest.
Arunabha
Asif wrote:
> > - period. The Burmans, on the other hand, mostly used Asha only when
> > Lata couldn't or wouldn't want to deliver. Asha was always, as Dada
> > Burman said, the second serve.
> I am not sure if I understand this claim. Do you mean SDB "even
> probably" thought about (let alone discussing with anyone) Lata for
> 'raat akelii hai' (Jewel Thief, 1967), 'kitanii akelii kitanii
> tanahaa' (Talash, 1969), or 'reshmaii ujaalaa hai' (Sharmilee, 1971)?
> I know you say "*mostly* used Asha only ...", but I still find it hard
> to digest.
Small slip there Asif :-) SD did use Lata for the Talash song (perhaps
you meant "kar le pyaar kar le") .
On another note, the dreadful Bharatan's "first serve- second serve"
theory has come up so many times that I have to ask this question. As
one with practically no understanding of sports nuances, let me ask:
what is the relation between one's first serve and second serve ? When
the first serve (likely avant garde and involving elements of risk)
faults, one has probably got to be *conservative* with the second
serve so it does not end up coming to naught like the first serve.
Viewed another way, it becomes more crucial to one's game in view of
the first fault, so it perhaps is required to be the time-tested,
safe, more dependable and better alternative. These seem to be
contradictory to the general tenor of statements describing Asha's and
Lata's respective roles :-).
-- Arunabha
Shalini Razdan
Kcpji, you need to distinguish between serious, thoughtful responses
and troll bait - reacting to the latter is a waste of one's energy.
It's better to spend that time listening to the RDB's music - like
this "accha" gaana he "gave" to Lata and which the ultra quality-
conscious and discriminating didi *choose* to sing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPqunHv9NjY
Shalini
> kcp
Asif
> Asif wrote:
> > > - period. The Burmans, on the other hand, mostly used Asha only when
> > > Lata couldn't or wouldn't want to deliver. Asha was always, as Dada
> > > Burman said, the second serve.
> > I am not sure if I understand this claim. Do you mean SDB "even
> > probably" thought about (let alone discussing with anyone) Lata for
> > 'raat akelii hai' (Jewel Thief, 1967), 'kitanii akelii kitanii
> > tanahaa' (Talash, 1969), or 'reshmaii ujaalaa hai' (Sharmilee, 1971)?
> > I know you say "*mostly* used Asha only ...", but I still find it hard
> > to digest.
>
> Small slip there Asif :-) SD did use Lata for the Talash song (perhaps
> you meant "kar le pyaar kar le") .
>
Oops, yes that was a slip. I was actually thinking about 'meraa kyaa
sanam', but the image of Sharmila Tagore in that revealing blue dress
(and singing 'kitanii akelii') messed up my thoughts.
> On another note, the dreadful Bharatan's "first serve- second serve"
> theory has come up so many times that I have to ask this question. As
> one with practically no understanding of sports nuances, let me ask:
> what is the relation between one's first serve and second serve ? When
> the first serve (likely avant garde and involving elements of risk)
> faults, one has probably got to be *conservative* with the second
> serve so it does not end up coming to naught like the first serve.
> Viewed another way, it becomes more crucial to one's game in view of
> the first fault, so it perhaps is required to be the time-tested,
> safe, more dependable and better alternative. These seem to be
> contradictory to the general tenor of statements describing Asha's and
> Lata's respective roles :-).
>
Oh man, so this is what that 'second serve' thingy is all about! And
I always thought it was "second serving" as in food, and imagined SDB
asking me, "agar Lata se peT bhar gayaa ho to Asha ##serve## karuu.N?"
Ketan
Asif says...
>Anyway, as Sanjeev and Anurabha said in their responses, Asha's first
>wholesale hit album (and also by way of being the heroine's choice
>voice) was Naya Daur (1957). Plus, unlike RDB-Asha team, the OPN-Asha
>association immediately got going right in that year (Tumsa Nahin
>Dekha - this film came later that year) and more frequently every
>year. As I discussed, I do not find any notable Asha-RDB films in
>1967-70 period. And that's why I find it a bit odd to see Asha citing
>Teesri Manzil "starting a new phase" for her. I think Teesri Manzil,
>though a landmark film for her, did nothing for both her and RDB for
>next few years what Naya Daur and Umrao Jaan did for her, OPN, and
>Khayyam. Let me find that interview today/tomorrow and will post more
>Asha talk.
I could posit that 'Naya Daur' did about as much for OPN over the next 3-4 years
as 'Teesri Manzil' did for RDB. Although he charged more per movie, OPN still
continued to get mostly B grade films whose music is appreciated today but not
when it was released. Not till 1962-63 did he have another huge hit in 'Ek
Musafir Ek Hasina" and "Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon" followed immediately by
"Kashmir Ki Kali"(1964), "Mere Sanam"(1965) and "Baharen Phir Bhi
Aayengi"(1966).
Whereas with the success of 'Teesri Manzil', RDB atleast had one major producer
in his bag--Nasir Hussain who signed him up for his next 5 movies.
I still don't know what 'Umrao Jaan' did for Khayyam that "Kabhi Kabhi' didn't.
I would think the latter movie changed his career more than the former.
As for Asha, yes she solidified herself as the #2 singer at the expense of Geeta
with 'Naya Daur'. She also benefited with the SDB-Lata rift from 1958-1962. That
4 year rift during which RD was SD's assistant, allowed him to see first hand,
Asha's talents as an opener. With 'Teesri Manzil', she clearly positioned
herself as an alternate #1 which fit right in with RD's musical leanings. Both
'Gun guna rahe hai bhawaren" and "Aaj somvar hai..tumko mujhse pyaar hai" from
Aradhana were composed by RD(infact the only 2 songs composed by RD in the
movie, according to Manohari Singh, for all ye "Roop tera mastana" lovers), and
RD did take Asha despite Lata having sung the other songs on Sharmila. Infact
with 'Caravan' there is no clear mapping with both Lata and Asha singing for
both Asha Parekh and Aruna Irani
In article <928eabe2-c84f-41ab...@u12g2000prd.googlegroups.com>,
Arunabha says...
>On another note, the dreadful Bharatan's "first serve- second serve"
>theory has come up so many times that I have to ask this question. As
>one with practically no understanding of sports nuances, let me ask:
>what is the relation between one's first serve and second serve ? When
>the first serve (likely avant garde and involving elements of risk)
>faults, one has probably got to be *conservative* with the second
>serve so it does not end up coming to naught like the first serve.
>Viewed another way, it becomes more crucial to one's game in view of
>the first fault, so it perhaps is required to be the time-tested,
>safe, more dependable and better alternative. These seem to be
>contradictory to the general tenor of statements describing Asha's and
>Lata's respective roles :-).
The idea is to hit an ace with the first serve so that you don't NEED a second
serve. A good player usually doesn't want a second serve, since that allows his
opponent to move inside the baseline and attack him, putting the server on the
defensive. I believe SDB an avid tennis player (who I am sure could have beaten
Federer this past Sunday, even if he(SDB) was in a wheelchair and had his dhoti
caught in the wheels), would surely know the difference.
Ketan
Abhay Jain
I think Ravi has used Asha only in many movies. Some are
Vachan (55)
Waqt
Gumrah (63)
Phool Aur Patthar
AJ
Asif
(Filmfare, June 1990). Incidentally I published the Best Letter prize
winning letter in the same Filmfare issue for defending RD Burman
against unfair ignorance by RM Vijaykar :-)
Anyway, here is the interview, never mind a poorly written (and often
tasteless) intro by Mr Jha (I never liked his writing). If anyone is
interested in a scanned copy, let me know and I will probably ask
Professor Singh to help me distribute it. There is an interesting
interview of Gulzar too in this Filmfare issue, just in case anyone is
interested.
Asif
Interview of Asha Bhosle: These days they distribute discs like fruit
By Subhash K Jha, Filmfare, June 1990
That voice. It plays in your mind, cast colorful shadows of
emotions. You’ve been wanting to encounter the woman behind the most
sensuous throat in the world (and who, pray, is Donna Summer?) for
many years. The moment arrives. But you’ve been warned. She’s
moody, she’s difficult. You break into a cold sweat as you wait in
the dentist’s office-lobby (the singer’s drawing room, silly!). But
the woman who emerges in a jiffy (none of the let’s-make-him-wait
nonsense) smiles warmly and shyly as she servers you the tea. Myth
No. 1 demolished. There are many more pleasant surprises in store
that evening, as the singing sensation speaks in soft, won’t-hurt-a-
fly tones. Asha often breaks into spontaneous laughter. She spills
lots of interesting dope about the politics of film music which, alas,
she divulges off-the-record. Stories of backbiting that have left
Asha surprisingly un-embittered. It’s a pity, you feel, that Asha
spoken on these sensitive issues off-the-record, because a public
proclamation of the horrendous power-games played by music directors
would have put paid to the absurd charges of a “Mangeshkar monopoly.”
Ah well, there’s always the on-record statements! Which are full of
candor and vivacity. Just like that voice.
SKJ: Something really bothers me. Why are you singing so many songs
these days which do no justice to your voice, songs by composers who
copy your husband’s style shamelessly?
Asha: (She ponders, and laughs) I continue to sing because after so
many years it has become a habit. Didi (Lata) has been singing since
’42. We were in Kolhapur when I started to sign at the age of twelve
or thirteen in 1947.
SKJ: What I mean to say is, why sing so many nonsensical songs?
Asha: We are commercial artistes. It’s our job to sing. I’m on good
terms with all composers, so I sing. Sometimes I do feel a particular
song is not worthy of me, and I refuse (Asha narrates how she walked
out of a duet with Shabbir Kumar when she heard the lyrics. On
another occasion, the music director wished to leave the room before
she studied the lyric sheet, probably because he didn’t want to get
clobbered). Music directors have also come to realize what’s right
for me. I can’t wait around for good songs to fall in my lap, because
the standard of film music continues to decline every day. Matlab,
kuchh bhi bol dete hain – office jaana hai, coffee banaana hai! The
other day we were listening to Abhi na jaao chhodkar, a song which I
used to find a thousand faults with. Today, I can’t stop wondering
about Sahir Saab’s lyrics. Now I’ve started singing the songs from my
father’s plays which have a large market. I am shifting my sights to
classical singing. I want to sing one raga for two hours on stage.
As for film songs, no matter what the standard, I pour my life into
the composition.
SKJ: Tell me, why have you disappeared from Laxmikant-Pyarelal’s
songs?
Asha: (She smiles and shrugs) There was no fight or anything. I can’t
say why it happened, but it did. You see, creative people are
surrounded by strange people who exaggerate things, provoke them. Yeh
sab chalta hai. I am outspoken by nature. Besides, I am out of the
country a lot. In any case if you look up the records, you’ll see I
wasn’t with them in the beginning. I was there for a whil, now I’m
not. It makes no difference to me, and I am sure it makes no
difference to them (Off the record, she’s more candid). I believe in
the truth, in singing or living. Nowadays these things don’t count.
Maybe I’m old fashioned (laughs). Previously we’d work over a song in
order to win appreciation. We were rewarded only for our sweat.
These days awards are handed out like fruit from a tree. Gold discs,
platinum discs … one hasn’t even heard the song and it becomes a
‘triple disc’! My record Dum maaro dum was declared the first silver
disc after selling thousands of copies. I feel sorry platinum discs
didn’t exist in those days. I’d be sitting on them (laughs).
SKJ: On stale question. People have been saying that you resent new
singers, that you don’t let them rise …
Asha: This question is old hat. Today there’s Kavita Krishnamurthy,
Anuradha Paudwal, Alka, Sadhana Sargam, Sonali … who else? You tell
me (laughs). There are fifty male singers as well. They’re all
working, hai na? I’ve never listened to the radio in my life, no do I
watch television. When I’m home, I’m busy cooking. I haven’t even
kept track of my own songs. As you can see, I don’t exhibit my
awards, they’re stored away (laughs). I’m a gharelu woman. I’ve no
idea of who’s singing what. I’m now writing my autobiography.
Earlier whenever I thought of writing it, I thought it wasn’t time yet
because I’m a nobody. But now I must. I’m going to tell the whole
truth. I have suffered a lot, both mentally and physically. As I
said, now I’m interested in classical singing. So you see I have no
time.
SKJ: If it wasn’t for Lata you would have been the finest voice of
Asia. How does it feel to live under the shadow of a banyan tree all
your life?
Asha: (A long pause) it’s true that when there’s already a star in the
family others have to suffer in spite of being talented. One has to
face constant comparison.
SKJ: Did you consciously steer your voice into a style antithetical to
Lata’s?
Asha: Yes. During my childhood we used to watch a lot of English
films. Those voices stayed in my mind. Classical to ghar mein chalta
hi tha. Didi’s voice had cast such a spell on people that another
voice in the same style didn’t stand a chance on earth (Suman
Kalyanpur would vouch for that). I felt I had to come up in a
different rang. I don’t like it, but aaj-kal they are all trying to
copy Didi. Didi is Didi. Nobody can match her. You say it is
impossible to copy my style? But so many girls in Madras are doing
it! What they forget is, which words to give expression to (in the
lyric). In Didi’s style also, they forget where she fades-in, fades-
out.
SKJ: Does such imitations anger or flatter you?
Asha: I don’t feel anything. Honestly. As a woman who has been
working since the age of thirteen, I just sit back and watch. I have
no love, no hate for any of them. It’s like sitting at Chowpatty one
evening and enjoying the tamasha. It isn’t as if I have renounced the
world or anything. I am part of the world, my family. But my goal in
life was to see my children well settled. That I’ve achieved. I have
no further ambitions. I’ll tell you something, I get the same
affection from people in Russia and England as in my own country.
They cannot get over the fact that a mother of three grown-up children
can sing like this. Neither can you! (laughs).
SKJ: Is it true that you throw a tantrum when you have to sing with
another female singer?
Asha: No, it’s they who are afraid. Haan, yeh baat zaroor hai that
the pleasure I get in singing with Didi is matchless. I’ve sung so
many songs with Sadhana Sargam, Alka Yagnik … But maza aata hai when
one’s singing with Lata Mangeshkar, Kishore Kumar, Rafi Saab … it’s
like standing in front of a mountain, anticipating the collision.
That pleasure is missing now. Why have Didi and I not come together
after Utsav? It’s the era of cutting corners – and throats. The
producers can’t afford to bring us together. There was a time when
movies used to run for their songs. Now out of fifty films, one
song’s a hit!
SKJ: From Allah Rakha to Annu Malik. You’ve worked with three
generations of composers. Did you ever feel that they have been
unfair to you because of Lata’s omnipresence?
Asha: (Laughs). It isn’t Didi’s fault. Lekin haan, I did feel at one
time that the industry was giving me a step-motherly treatment. I
didn’t get good songs. I didn’t receive my due. But my children had
to be brought up decently and by God’s grace whatever songs I got
became hits. The fact is, with Didi’s voice around, composers
couldn’t think of any other. I used to feel sad about this, but no
more. Now I feel it doesn’t matter. Today Asha Bhosle has her own
place. It’s true Didi hamse badi hain. I’m four years younger, so
I’m placed lower. If I was from another family I’d have been given an
equal status. I am now used to being placed lower. I don’t mind,
she’s like my mother. Lekin haan, nobody ever composed a song
especially for me in those days. Yeh gaana sirf Asha ga sakti ha
(laughs). Even Pancham (RD Burman) has gone to Didi for the songs
that suited her. I admire him for this. Just because I’m his wife
doesn’t mean I should sing all his songs. He’s honest to his work.
SKJ: Do you think you have achieved all there is to?
Asha: Dekhiye, ambition has no limits. If tomorrow I want to become
Margaret Thatcher …
SKJ: What makes you think that Thatcher has achieved more than you?
Asha: (Laughs heartily) I mean, it’s human nature to want to go
higher.
SKJ: Which would you consider to be the turning points in your career?
Asha: There were three turning points. After doing ordinary work for
many years there came Naya Daur and I started getting the heroine’s
songs. In 1968-69 came another phase with Teesri Manzil! Then,
another phase with Umrao Jaan. OP Nayyar, RD Burman, and Khayyam
projected my voice in new ways. With whom I enjoyed working the
most? All three have their own style. Witch each I have conducted
myself as a pupil. Being a playback singer I have to adapt myself to
different styles. My favorite OP Nayyar songs? Raaton ko chori
chori, Piya piya na laage mora jiya, Chhun chhun ghunghroo bole, and
Jaadugar sainyaan. Among Pancham’s cabaret songs my favorite is Teri
meri yaari badi purani. You know, recently I heard some ghazals sung
by me and Bhupinder for Jaidev. Someone played them for me in
London. Such beautiful compositions and nobody remembers them because
the film flopped. The sad part is, others copy the same tunes and
make hits. Among the recent songs I can’t think of any I like
(laughs). Ask me about 1947 I’ll tell you, but 1989-90, sorry
(laughs).
SKJ: So something is seriously amiss?
Asha: I need lyrics and tunes that inspire me.
SKJ: So why don’t you turn music director yourself?
Asha: I’ll be honest. We (Lata and Asha) have always been sincere
whatever we do. I have always gone to recordings like royalty, never
played up to anyone, did my work and returned home. For forty years
we have been superstars – me, Didi, Kishore Kumar, Rafi, Mukesh. Now
if I am to turn music director I just won’t tolerate interference from
singers – change this, change that. I never compromised, never
treated anyone with disrespect and never allowed anyone to treat me
with disrespect. If today I feel I am not being treated rightly, I’ll
walk out unhesitatingly. What’s music direction today? They’re
stealing each other’s work. I’m fed up of these things.
SKJ: Don’t you get disheartened by the dearth of inspiring co-singers?
Asha: Very much. You ask Didi also, we’re absolutely depressed.
Sometimes when I am standing in the recording room I feel Rafi or
Kishore will appear from nowhere. You won’t believe this, but some
composer recently said that Rafi, Kishore, and Mukesh refused to let
go of their positions! Composers who felt they had been orphaned when
Rafi Saab died now find the present-day voices equally good! Rafi’s
voice is permanently etched in my ears, just like Didi’s voice. I
can’t tolerate others trying to imitate them. So many memories are
associated with Didi’s voice. It’s my life! To me those singers are
the pinnacles of excellence. I miss their maturity of voice. Among
the current signers I’m comfortable singing with Suresh Wadkar and
Amit Kumar. With Amit it’s almost as if his father has entered his
soul.
sm0...@gmail.com
> to digest.- Hide quoted text -
Let me clarify. All the above songs (except "Kitni akeli...", of
course) fall into the "Lata couldn't" category - she couldn't have
sung those like Asha. Therefore, SDB went with the latter. The "Lata
wouldn't" phase was when she had the rift with SDB and he had no
choice but to choose Asha over her for his songs. On a level playing
field, while the "Megha chhaae...," "Jaise Radha ne maala japi..."
and "Rulake gaya sapna mera..." went to Lata, Asha had to be content
with "Reshmi ujala hai....," "Ta thhai, ata ta thhai...." (again, not
picturized on the main heroine) and "Raat akeli hai..."
RDB too never trusted her with such compositions as "Raina beeti
jaae...", "Beeti na bitaai raina...", and "Saawan ke jhoole paRe...."
A singer of Asha's calibre obviously felt disappointed at not getting
such "achhe gaane" (my interpretation of her definition) from RDB.
sm0...@gmail.com
> Kcpji, you need to distinguish between serious, thoughtful responses
> and troll bait - reacting to the latter is a waste of one's energy.
I request you to get off your high horse, O self-appointed troll-
patrol officer, and quit jumping to conclusions about others'
intentions.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)....... baat nikli to har ek *bait* pe
rona aaya.
> Shalini
Ketan
sm0...@gmail.com says...
>In the above list, only "Chura liya hai tumne..." would qualify as an
>"Achha gaana" that Asha was referring to in her interview. While the
>definition of a good song will vary from person to person, the "Achhe
>gaane" were those that were picturized on the main heroine and were of
>the non-cabaret, non-flippant variety. Using this definition, Asha is
Is this your definition or Asha's?
>correct that RDB's "Achhe gaane" almost always went to Lata. Asha
Asha is incorrect and you are an ignoramous for agreeing to her statement.
>typically got the left-overs after Didi had had her share. One of the
>few times when RDB trusted Asha with his "Achhe gaane" was in Ijaazat
>- pretty late in his career. Most of his major hits were dominated by
>Lata singing for the heroine.
What was "Teesri Manzil" way back in 1966 then? And what was Asha Parekh in the
movie if not the heroine? What song did Asha get in the movie after Lata had her
share?
>RDB is given way too much credit in shaping Asha's career, at times
>even more than OPN, which is a big joke. For OPN, there was just Asha
>- period. The Burmans, on the other hand, mostly used Asha only when
>Lata couldn't or wouldn't want to deliver. Asha was always, as Dada
>Burman said, the second serve.
What part of "Chahe jitna mujhe tum bulao jee" can Lata not do? Or what song in
Nau do Gyarah was Lata not willing to do? Why was Asha picked for those when
Lata was available?
>She craved for RDB's serious compositions which seldom came her way -
>songs such as those in Aandhi, Amar Prem and Parichay, to name a few.
>RDB too never trusted her with such compositions as "Raina beeti
>jaae...", "Beeti na bitaai raina...", and "Saawan ke jhoole paRe...."
>A singer of Asha's calibre obviously felt disappointed at not getting
>such "achhe gaane" (my interpretation of her definition) from RDB.
Once again, Asha is ignorant of her own work or is lying and you have a Grand
Canyon of ignorance occupying the space between your two ears.
It is sad to see that after spending about the same amount of time on RMIM as I
have, and having read the same posts--you have learnt nothing.
Ketan
sm0...@gmail.com
> In article <8aa9b554-0960-400f-a683-f30681cb2...@a1g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> sm0...@gmail.com says...
>
> >In the above list, only "Chura liya hai tumne..." would qualify as an
> >"Achha gaana" that Asha was referring to in her interview. While the
> >definition of a good song will vary from person to person, the "Achhe
> >gaane" were those that were picturized on the main heroine and were of
> >the non-cabaret, non-flippant variety. Using this definition, Asha is
>
> Is this your definition or Asha's?
It is my interpretation of Asha's definition given her valid complaint
of not getting "Achhe gaane" from RDB.
> >correct that RDB's "Achhe gaane" almost always went to Lata. Asha
>
> Asha is incorrect and you are an ignoramous for agreeing to her statement.
Asha Bhosale on one side and you on the other. Not a very difficult
choice to make, I must admit.
> >typically got the left-overs after Didi had had her share. One of the
> >few times when RDB trusted Asha with his "Achhe gaane" was in Ijaazat
> >- pretty late in his career. Most of his major hits were dominated by
> >Lata singing for the heroine.
>
> What was "Teesri Manzil" way back in 1966 then? And what was Asha Parekh in the
> movie if not the heroine? What song did Asha get in the movie after Lata had her
> share?
The only "Accha gaana" (see earlier definition; not to be confused
with "good song") in Teesri Manzil was in Rafi's voice: "Tumne mujhe
dekha..."
> What part of "Chahe jitna mujhe tum bulao jee" can Lata not do? Or what song in
> Nau do Gyarah was Lata not willing to do? Why was Asha picked for those when
> Lata was available?
"Dhalki jaae chundariya humari..." was indeed an "Achha gaana" that
came Asha's way. But such songs form the minority in SDB's output. He
gave two gems to Asha in Bandini but only after Lata got two songs
picturized on the heroine. I'm surprised that you are unable to see
the second class treatment meted out to Asha by not only the Burmans
but just about every MD except OPN.
> Once again, Asha is ignorant of her own work or is lying and you have a Grand
> Canyon of ignorance occupying the space between your two ears.
>
> It is sad to see that after spending about the same amount of time on RMIM as I
> have, and having read the same posts--you have learnt nothing.
I have learnt that unprovoked name-calling has never won an argument
on RMIM.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan).... ignoram ka naam badnaam na karo.
> Ketan
Abhijit
>
> I'm surprised that you are unable to see
> the second class treatment meted out to Asha by not only the Burmans
> but just about every MD except OPN.
>
I know talking black and white makes a discussion interesting, but
reality never is that way. You say Asha received second class
treatment by MDs other than OPN. May I ask what class did OPN treat
Lata? He didn't consider her fit to sing a single composition! Isn't
that the reason for OPN's first class treatment of Geeta and then
Asha?
RDB, like everyone else, knew Lata's capability and skills and
utilised them as best as he could. As for what RDB did for Asha, he
did raise Asha's image. "achchhaa gaanaa" or "buraa gaanaa" is
subjective. Some may say only songs picturised on heroines are deemed
"achchhe gaane". If that is true, why is it that when I think of
Caravan, the song that strikes me first is "piyaa tuu ab to aajaa". I
think RDB raised the profile of these so called "bure gaane". BTW, he
also gave Asha heroine's songs in a good number of movies -- Samadhi,
Karm, Deewar, The Great Gambler, Manoranjan, to name a few besides
those already mentioned before.
Ketan
sm0...@gmail.com says...
>> >In the above list, only "Chura liya hai tumne..." would qualify as an
>> >"Achha gaana" that Asha was referring to in her interview. While the
>> >definition of a good song will vary from person to person, the "Achhe
>> >gaane" were those that were picturized on the main heroine and were of
>> >the non-cabaret, non-flippant variety. Using this definition, Asha is
>>
>> Is this your definition or Asha's?
>
>It is my interpretation of Asha's definition given her valid complaint
>of not getting "Achhe gaane" from RDB.
>The only "Accha gaana" (see earlier definition; not to be confused
>with "good song") in Teesri Manzil was in Rafi's voice: "Tumne mujhe
>dekha..."
What is flippant about "O mere sona re"? Or is your definition of "achhe gaane"
now changing to songs that are also slow, sad ones? In that case, what is
flippant about "Samay tu jaldi jaldi chal"?
>"Dhalki jaae chundariya humari..." was indeed an "Achha gaana" that
>came Asha's way. But such songs form the minority in SDB's output. He
>gave two gems to Asha in Bandini but only after Lata got two songs
>picturized on the heroine. I'm surprised that you are unable to see
>the second class treatment meted out to Asha by not only the Burmans
>but just about every MD except OPN.
There is a difference in the way you put it. When you say "Asha ALWAYS or MOSTLY
got second class treatement", it takes just a few examples to disprove your
theory. For example you said "The Burmans..mostly used Asha when Lata couldn't
or wouldn't want to deliver". Why is it that in "Lal Kunwar" (1953) you have the
who's who of HFM's female singers--Asha, Suraiya, Geeta and Shamshad but not one
song that features Lata. Armaan again has 4 Asha songs and zero by Lata. In
"Jeevan Jyoti" Asha has 3 solos to Lata's 2. And there are more such examples.
Doesn't seem like "mostly" to me.
You see, I am able to see it very well. It's you who is incapable of going thru
the song list and making statements supported by facts. Your statement of SDB
not giving Asha her due holds true post Bandini but prior to 1958 and the
Lata-SD rift, there are plenty of examples to disprove your assertion. Your
statement of RDB not giving Asha her due before Ijaazat is completely bogus even
if you stick to your extremely narrow criteria of it being a serious,
non-flippant, non-cabaret songs picturized on a heroine. I suggest you go thru
panchamonline.com to get a load of the various examples. All this means, either
you are lazy and given to broad generalizations or are an ignoramous. As for the
last statement by you in the para above, I don't see Ravi ever giving Asha
second class statement. Jaidev too managed to give equal treatement to both
sisters.
>> It is sad to see that after spending about the same amount of time on RMIM=
>> as I have, and having read the same posts--you have learnt nothing.
>I have learnt that unprovoked name-calling has never won an argument
>on RMIM.
I wasn't trying to win this argument. I am trying to establish how much
knowledge you have and whether your statements are backed up by facts. "Raina
beet jaaye" or "Beeti na bitaye" are not the only songs made in that category
you define. Get real. A lot of what has been said on this thread has been
discussed earlier on RMIM. I am pretty sure you have read those posts, which is
why I stand by statement that you indeed have learnt nothing.
ek bharateeya
> On Jun 13, 3:00 pm, sm0...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I'm surprised that you are unable to see
> > the second class treatment meted out to Asha by not only the Burmans
> > but just about every MD except OPN.
>
> I know talking black and white makes a discussion interesting, but
> reality never is that way. You say Asha received second class
> treatment by MDs other than OPN. May I ask what class did OPN treat
> Lata?
i thought that there was a mutual agreement between opn and lata that
lata was of the 'brahmand level' i.e., level zero. in other words, she
could not (con)descend to opn-level songs. so, even opn kept asha one
level below lata - only, he was so smart that nobody realized this
until i typed this paragraph! ;-)
> He didn't consider her fit to sing a single composition! Isn't
> that the reason for OPN's first class treatment of Geeta and then
> Asha?
>
> RDB, like everyone else, knew Lata's capability and skills and
> utilised them as best as he could. As for what RDB did for Asha, he
> did raise Asha's image. "achchhaa gaanaa" or "buraa gaanaa" is
> subjective. Some may say only songs picturised on heroines are deemed
> "achchhe gaane". If that is true, why is it that when I think of
> Caravan, the song that strikes me first is "piyaa tuu ab to aajaa". I
> think RDB raised the profile of these so called "bure gaane". BTW, he
> also gave Asha heroine's songs in a good number of movies -- Samadhi,
> Karm, Deewar, The Great Gambler, Manoranjan, to name a few besides
> those already mentioned before.
now i really want to get into this "achchhaa gaanaa" vs. "buraa
gaanaa" thing. maybe this has already been discussed on rmim before.
if not, could we make this a new thread? what makes a "gaanaa" an
"achchhaa gaanaa"? is it:
- a heroine sung song, i.e., all item numbers (mehboobaa from sholay,
kajraare from bunty aur bubli, beedi from omkara are all out)?
- a melancholy number, i.e., "flippant" songs (anything that does not
sound like a 'dadaji ke zamane ka' song) are out?
- a svachh hindi (or urdu) kavita (ghazal)?
- a song picturized in the purest setting, i.e., "ik raadhaa ik
meeraa ..." (or any movie from rtgm) is not an "achchhaa gaanaa"?
- a song that asha/lata/your_pet_icon has blessed as an "achchhaa
gaanaa", immaterial of what you (or anyone else) think?
- a song that is before year xxxx (xxxx = 1950 for ahmad, 1940 for
professorji, 1960 for someone born in 1970, etc. etc.)?
- e.b.
Asif
> In article <4e6ded92-a701-47f1-80e7-024b08d17...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Well, for all said and done on her part, Asha Bhosle could still be
wrong in claiming that “achchhe gaane to didi ko hi mile.” While Sami
might have just made a good guess, I would safely assume that Asha
indeed meant more traditional and poignant songs (and filmed on
heroines too) by “achchhe gaane.” Still it sounds like a grass
looking greener on the other side on her part. And that’s why I
complete side with Ketan that Asha could be wrong in her view/claim.
That’s why I would define an “achchha gaana” (from the oeuvre of RDB
for Asha/Lata) simply as a good song no matter who sang it on the
screen. Plus, I completely agree by a very good point raised by
Abhijeet: that RDB raised the profile of so-called “bure gaane”.
Anyway, it would be good to take stock of Lata’s and Asha’s songs for
RDB in terms of both quality and popularity, and, based on the
analysis of their work, see who stands where and who really won over
RDB.
I am counting both singers’ worth in both categories (quality and
popularity) and will decide at the end of the analysis how to combine
their scores in both categories. Here is how I count:
Excellent and extraordinary songs = 1 regular point and 1 bonus = 2
points
Good and OK songs = 1 point
Bad songs = 0 point
Super Hit songs = 1 regular point and 1 bonus = 2 points
Average and Hit songs = 1 point
Flop songs = 0 point
I have chosen only those songs that I objectively found at least OK
(in quality category) and at least average (in popularity category).
Right now I am posting all films starting with letter A. Tonight I
will post more from home and hope to complete the list within next 3-4
days. The list is courtesy Vinay Jain’s website www.panchamonline.com
(Thanks Vinay for such a wonderful website).
So let’s start counting.
Asif
1968:
Abhilasha:
1. Pyaar hua hai jabse (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
2. Waadiyaan mera daaman (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1971:
Adhikar:
1. Koi maane ya na maane (Asha) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
2. Tum ho sabke rakhwaale (Asha) – Nanda (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Amar Prem:
1. Bada natkhat hai re (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Average/OK
2. Raina beeti jaaye (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1972:
Apna Desh:
1. Aaja o mere raja (Asha) – Don’t-Remember – Flop/Good
2. Duniya mein logon ko (Asha) – Mumtaz (Heroine) - Super-Hit/
Extraordinary
3. Kajra lagaake (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
4. Lelo lelo re pee lo baabu (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Average/Bad
5. Sun champa sun taara (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
****************************************************************************
1973:
Aa Gale Lag Jaa:
1. Waada karo naheen chhodoge (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/
Extraordinary
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Anamika:
1. Aaj ki raat koi aane ko hai (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/
Extraordinary
2. Baahon mein chale aao (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Extraordinary
3. Logo na maaro ise (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Average/Extraordinary
4. Jaaoon to kahaan jaaoon (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
****************************************************************************
1974:
Aap Ki Kasam:
1. Chori chori chupke chupke (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Average/
Excellent
2. Jai jai shiv Shankar (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Super-Hit/
Extraordinary
3. Karvaten badalte rahe (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Super-Hit/
Extraordinary
4. Paas naheen aana (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
5. Suno kaho kaha suna (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Extraordinary
Score (Quality): Lata = 10, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 6, Asha = 0
Ajanabee:
1. Bheegi bheegi raaton mein (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/
Extraordinary
2. Ham donon do premi (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Super-Hit/
Extraordinary
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1975:
Aandhi:
1. Is mod se jaate hain (Lata) – Suchitra (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
2. Tere bina zindagi se (Lata) – Suchitra (Heroine) – Super-Hit/
Extraordinary
3. Tum aa gaye ho (Lata) – Suchitra (Heroine) – Hit/Extraordinary
Score (Quality): Lata = 6, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1978:
Azaad:
1. Jaan ki qasam (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Main too teri prem deewaani (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1980:
Aanchal:
1. Bas meri jaan bas (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
2. Bhor bhaye panchhi (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
3. Jaane de gaadi teri (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Average/Excellent
4. Paise ka kaajal (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Alibaba Aur 40 Chor:
1. Aaja sar-e-baazaar (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaadoogar jaadoo kar jaayega (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/
Excellent
3. Khatooba khatooba (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Abdullah:
1. Bheega badan jalne laga (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
2. Om jai jagdeesh hare (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
****************************************************************************
1981:
Angoor:
1. Roz roz daali daali (Asha) – Deepti Naval (Not) – Average/Excellent
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1982:
Aamne Saamne:
1. Oonchi neechi paalki (Asha) – Bindiya (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha - 0
Ashanti:
1. Dil diya hai maine (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Adhura Aadmi:
1. Tum se hi to shuroo hai (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Average/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1983:
Agar Tum Na Hote:
1. Dheere dheere zara zara (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Average/Good
2. Hamen aur jeene ki (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Super-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1984:
Anand Aur Anand:
1. Waadon ki shaam aayi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Awaaz:
1. Zindagi aawaaz deti hai (Asha) – Jaya Prada (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Andar Baahar:
1. Meri aankhon mein zara dekho (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1985:
Alag Alag:
1. Dil mein aag lagaaye (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
2. Kaaghaz qalam dawaat (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kuchh hamko kuchh tumse (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
4. Ram raheem mein antar (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 5, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Ameer Aadmi Gharib Aadmi:
1. Har ek raasta sajaake chal (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) –
Average/Excellent
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Arjun:
1. Bhoori bhoori aankhon waala (Lata) – Dimple (Heroine) – Flop/Good
2. Dhadkan pal pal (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1987:
Apne Apne:
1. Apne apne se lage hamen (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1994:
1942: A Love Story:
1. Kuchh na kaho (Lata) – Manisha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Asif
forgot to add a song for Abdullah (1980). Here is the updated list:
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 2
****************************************************************************
1973:
Aa Gale Lag Jaa:
1. Waada karo naheen chhodoge (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/
Extraordinary
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Anamika:
1. Aaj ki raat koi aane ko hai (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/
Extraordinary
2. Baahon mein chale aao (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Extraordinary
3. Logo na maaro ise (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Average/Extraordinary
4. Jaaoon to kahaan jaaoon (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
****************************************************************************
1974:
Aap Ki Kasam:
1. Chori chori chupke chupke (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Average/
Excellent
2. Jai jai shiv Shankar (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Super-Hit/
Extraordinary
3. Karvaten badalte rahe (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Super-Hit/
Extraordinary
4. Paas naheen aana (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
5. Suno kaho kaha suna (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Extraordinary
Score (Quality): Lata = 10, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 7, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Alibaba Aur 40 Chor:
1. Aaja sar-e-baazaar (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaadoogar jaadoo kar jaayega (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/
Excellent
3. Khatooba khatooba (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Abdullah:
1. Bheega badan jalne laga (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Excellent
2. Jashn-e-bahaaraan (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Flop/Good
3. Om jai jagdeesh hare (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
****************************************************************************
1981:
Angoor:
1. Roz roz daali daali (Asha) – Deepti Naval (Not) – Average/Excellent
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
****************************************************************************
1982:
Aamne Saamne:
1. Oonchi neechi paalki (Asha) – Bindiya (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Ashanti:
1. Dil diya hai maine (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Adhura Aadmi:
1. Tum se hi to shuroo hai (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Average/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1983:
Agar Tum Na Hote:
1. Dheere dheere zara zara (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Average/Good
2. Hamen aur jeene ki (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Super-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
****************************************************************************
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Arjun:
1. Bhoori bhoori aankhon waala (Lata) – Dimple (Heroine) – Flop/Good
2. Dhadkan pal pal (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1987:
Apne Apne:
1. Apne apne se lage hamen (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Flop/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
****************************************************************************
1994:
1942: A Love Story:
1. Kuchh na kaho (Lata) – Manisha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
So far:
#############################
Total Score (Quality): Lata = 51, Asha = 32
Total Score (Hit): Lata = 34, Asha = 13
#############################
More later.
Asif
sm0...@gmail.com
> now i really want to get into this "achchhaa gaanaa" vs. "buraa
> gaanaa" thing. maybe this has already been discussed on rmim before.
> if not, could we make this a new thread? what makes a "gaanaa" an
> "achchhaa gaanaa"? is it:
>
> - a heroine sung song, i.e., all item numbers (mehboobaa from sholay,
> kajraare from bunty aur bubli, beedi from omkara are all out)?
> - a melancholy number, i.e., "flippant" songs (anything that does not
> sound like a 'dadaji ke zamane ka' song) are out?
> - a svachh hindi (or urdu) kavita (ghazal)?
> - a song picturized in the purest setting, i.e., "ik raadhaa ik
> meeraa ..." (or any movie from rtgm) is not an "achchhaa gaanaa"?
> - a song that asha/lata/your_pet_icon has blessed as an "achchhaa
> gaanaa", immaterial of what you (or anyone else) think?
> - a song that is before year xxxx (xxxx = 1950 for ahmad, 1940 for
> professorji, 1960 for someone born in 1970, etc. etc.)?
Man, that's way too complicated. Let's make it simple: The "Achha
gana"s are those that Lata got from the Burmans and Asha didn't :-)
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)
> - e.b.
sm0...@gmail.com
> In article <4e6ded92-a701-47f1-80e7-024b08d17...@k30g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> sm0...@gmail.com says...
> What is flippant about "O mere sona re"? Or is your definition of "achhe gaane"
> now changing to songs that are also slow, sad ones? In that case, what is
> flippant about "Samay tu jaldi jaldi chal"?
This would qualify as an "Achha gaana", but not as a good song in my
book.
> There is a difference in the way you put it. When you say "Asha ALWAYS or MOSTLY
> got second class treatement", it takes just a few examples to disprove your
> theory. For example you said "The Burmans..mostly used Asha when Lata couldn't
> or wouldn't want to deliver". Why is it that in "Lal Kunwar" (1953) you have the
> who's who of HFM's female singers--Asha, Suraiya, Geeta and Shamshad but not one
Was Suraiyya the heroine of the movie? That would negate the claim of
all other songs as "Achhe gaane."
> song that features Lata. Armaan again has 4 Asha songs and zero by Lata. In
> "Jeevan Jyoti" Asha has 3 solos to Lata's 2.
Do you know on whom those songs were picturized? I'm curious to know
if Lata was relegated to sing for the non-heroine.
>And there are more such examples. Doesn't seem like "mostly" to me.
>Your statement of SDB
> not giving Asha her due holds true post Bandini but prior to 1958 and the
To the post-1958 that you have admitted were Lata dominated, add the
pre-58 Buzdil, Naujawan, Saza, Jaal, Taxi Driver, Devdas, House #44,
Munimji and Paying Guest - movies with which SDB firmly established
himself - and you have a good case for Asha playing second fiddle in
SDB's overall scheme of things.
With songs such as "Aankh khulte hi tum....," "Ghyal hiraniya...,"
"Jeevan ke safar me rahi...," "Phaili hui hai sapnon ki baahen...,"
"THanDi hawaaen...," and "Tum na jaane kis jahan me kho gae..." going
to Lata, is it any surprise that Asha felt that the "Achhe gaane" went
Didi's way?
> statement of RDB not giving Asha her due before Ijaazat is completely bogus even
> if you stick to your extremely narrow criteria of it being a serious,
> non-flippant, non-cabaret songs picturized on a heroine. I suggest you go thru
> panchamonline.com to get a load of the various examples.
I did. And kudos to Vinay for putting together that wonderful website.
>All this means, either
> you are lazy and given to broad generalizations or are an ignoramous. As for the
Another ignoramus delivery left outside the off stump. Lesson #2
learnt from RMIM: The idea of namecalling reinforcing an argument is a
myth. It actually weakens it.
> last statement by you in the para above, I don't see Ravi ever giving Asha
> second class statement.
Ever? Strong word. Using your logic, would I have to come up with just
one example to disprove you? Anyway, "pathhar pe humne phool chaRaae
to kya kiya." BTW, was Ravi on the long list of people with whom Didi
had a quarrel? Does that explain Lata's presence in his studio only
once in a chaudvin ka blue chaand?
> I wasn't trying to win this argument. I am trying to establish how much
> knowledge you have
For that you'll first have to ask me my age.
> you define. Get real. A lot of what has been said on this thread has been
> discussed earlier on RMIM. I am pretty sure you have read those posts, which is
> why I stand by statement that you indeed have learnt nothing.
And I'll shoulder arms once more.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)
> Ketan
Quz: Guess the only "Achha gaana" that SDB gave Asha?
Scroll down for the answer
"Achha"ji main haari chalo maan jaao na...
sm0...@gmail.com
> Well, for all said and done on her part, Asha Bhosle could still be
> wrong in claiming that “achchhe gaane to didi ko hi mile.” While Sami
> might have just made a good guess, I would safely assume that Asha
> indeed meant more traditional and poignant songs (and filmed on
> heroines too) by “achchhe gaane.”
Call it a guess, but I was trying to reverse-engineer Asha's
definition of "Achhe gaane" based on what she got and what she didn't
from RDB.
>Still it sounds like a grass looking greener on the other side on her part.
I don't think it's so simple as that. Asha's complaint is analogous to
a seasoned cricketer lamenting the fact that he didn't get enough
chances to score more test centuries while his fans insist that he has
many ODI and T20 centuries at 100+ strike rate and they are as
important as the test 100s.
> Anyway, it would be good to take stock of Lata’s and Asha’s songs for
> RDB in terms of both quality and popularity, and, based on the
> analysis of their work, see who stands where and who really won over
> RDB.
Wow! That's quite a project you've undertaken. Although I have
reservatons regarding your rankings, I can hardly wait to see what the
end result is no matter in whose favor it ends up.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan).... dil DHoonDta hai, phir wohi, grad
school ke raat din.
kcp
> Man, that's way too complicated. Let's make it simple: The "Achha
> gana"s are those that Lata got from the Burmans and Asha didn't :-)
>
> Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)
Hold on...bhai/behen log......ye aadmi bahot confused hai ya humko
confuse karna chahta hai !!
Can you explain clearly what you meant by this statement ?
Burmans never gave Achche gaane to Asha ? is that what you mean ?
for me - the achche gaane for Lata and Asha by Pancham are equal. Asha
maybe a bit more achche gaane (?). But versatility, difficulty, range
wise Asha is way way ahead than any film singer, with any MD
kcp
Asif
I am posting this on behalf of Dr. Mandar Bichu. He was not able to
post it directly to this newsgroup, so he sent this in personal email:
One of the points raised by Asif was despite getting so many (or
equally) good songs as Asha from RD why Lata does not talk much about
his music whereas Asha keeps repeating his name in every interview.
Here are my takes.
1. Lata's repertoire with RD is great (and certainly equivalent to
Asha-RD's!) but then Lata has had great songs with practically every
major composer that she worked with. So Lata- RD combo is certainly
not superior to Lata- SJ, Lata-SD, Lata-Salil, Lata-MadanMohan, Lata-
Anil Biswas, Lata-Sajjad, Lata-CR, Lata-Naushad, Lata-Roshan, Lata-
Vasant Desai, Lata-Hemant Kumar, Lata-SNT, Lata-Chitragupt, Lata-
Jaidev, Lata-Khayyam, Lata-Hridaynath (mainly non-film Marathi &
Hindi) and for that matter even Lata-KA and Lata-LP combos. So with so
many contenders in the fray, Lata is not likely to talk much about her
association with RD unless specifically asked.
2. When it comes to Asha, the list of her major (and milestone song-
composing) composers comes down to OP, SD, Sudhir Phadke (in Marathi),
Ravi, Jaidev, Khayyam and RD. But somehow as the years have passed,
Asha is gravitating towards favouring her combo with RD as the most
important in her career. It has something to do with her personal/
family tastes (both her son Anand and daughter Varsha are huge fans of
RD!)and also with current audience's fascination and favouritism
towards RD's music. Also she feels that RD explored the total range of
her voice unlike others.
Dr Mandar Bichu
kcp
> So with so
> many contenders in the fray, Lata is not likely to talk much about her
> association with RD unless specifically asked.
Thats not the main reason. There ought to be "some" peculiar/strange
reason ( related to Asha :P )
She is not likely to talk ever after...yes thats the sad part !! Its
sad that she keeps on giving different reasons ( recent one was that
she does not face video cameras any more and then the next week goes
on promoting on hundreds of video channels for her album Saadgi ). Not
a few minutes to talk about her ONLY saving grace in the HFM of 70's &
80's ( Ohh BTW, I completely disagree with Lata-RD surpassing any
other combination like Lata-LP & Lata-KA , etc, in the 70's and
80's ) ????
kcp
Ketan
sm0...@gmail.com says...
>> What is flippant about "O mere sona re"? Or is your definition of "achhe
>> gaane" now changing to songs that are also slow, sad ones? In that case,
>> what is flippant about "Samay tu jaldi jaldi chal"?
>This would qualify as an "Achha gaana", but not as a good song in my
>book.
Which one of the above qualifies as an "Achha gaana"? And we are not discussing
anything about good songs. If it is not the "Teesri Manzil" song, please also
tell us why the Rafi song qualifies as "achha gaana", since going by your own
criteria and to the best of my knowledge, Shammi Kapoor was not the heroine of
the movie. You have now descended into moving the goal-posts to suit your
arguments.
Sticking to what you said earlier "One of the few times when RDB trusted Asha
with his "Achhe gaane" was in Ijaazat - pretty late in his career", clearly you
have been proved wrong since you now classify atleast one of the above two songs
as an "Achha gaana". Do you still have doubts about your ignorance?
>Was Suraiyya the heroine of the movie? That would negate the claim of
>all other songs as "Achhe gaane."
I believe Suraiya and Usha Kiran both were the heroines of the movie. Not having
seen the movie, I cannot determine whether Asha sung any songs for Usha Kiran,
it still destroys your argument that "SDB chose Asha only when Lata couldn't or
wouldn't want to deliver". Clearly there was the option to pick Lata and he
didn't.
>> song that features Lata. Armaan again has 4 Asha songs and zero by Lata. In
>>"Jeevan Jyoti" Asha has 3 solos to Lata's 2. Do you know on whom those songs >>
>>were picturized? I'm curious to know if Lata was relegated to sing for the >>
>>non-heroine.
Again it does not matter if Lata was singing for the non-heroine. Your argument
and definition of "accha gaana" is "Lata sang for the heroine, while Asha got
the non-heroine" songs. There are atleast 2 songs sung by Asha picturized on the
heroine--Chand Usmani. You are wrong--AGAIN!
>With songs such as "Aankh khulte hi tum....," "Ghyal hiraniya...,"
>"Jeevan ke safar me rahi...," "Phaili hui hai sapnon ki baahen...,"
>"THanDi hawaaen...," and "Tum na jaane kis jahan me kho gae..." going
>to Lata, is it any surprise that Asha felt that the "Achhe gaane" went
>Didi's way?
No it is not a surprise since I am aware of it. It is the poorly thought out
criteria that you have for "Achhe gaane" (atleast in the case of SDB and RDB)
that needs to go. It's got nothing to do with just cabaret or non-heroine songs.
It's got to do with SDB just like a lot of other MD's preferring Lata for the
solos and Asha for the duets and more often than not it is the solo that makes
an impact. Please refer to Balaji's analysis of Lata and Asha's songs for Madan
Mohan for the 50s, that he had done maybe a decade ago. The differnce in the
total # of songs the two sung for MM is very small. However we remember Lata-MM
better known since it was Lata who was singing the solos.
It is not surprising that I can pick holes with such ease in your criteria. In
Taxi Driver for instance Lata gets 3 cabaret songs picturized on the non-heroine
and just one song on the heroine "Jaaye to jaaye kahan". Asha also gets atleast
one song on the heroine "Dekho maane nahin" but it is a duet. I don't remember
on whom the other Asha song is picturized. In Funtoosh--a Navketan
production--there is no Lata at all whereas Asha is there in 5/8 songs in the
movie and there is a lovely duet "Woh dekhi to unki inaayat". Why no Lata, if
Asha was indeed playing second fiddle? In Paying Guest, Lata gets 2 solos, Asha
gets 2 duets. Nau Do Gyarah(Navketan) again there is no Lata whereas Asha gets
the heroine's songs (solo and duets) as well as the non-heroine song. Geeta gets
only the non-heroine songs. So who was relegated to second fiddle here? And
these are all pre-rift.
Your attempts to paint this argument in the black and white shades of
cabaret/non-heroine/non-flippant is bound to show you wrong atleast when it
comes to the Burmans. Even for RDB, there in Bandhe Haat(RDB) to cite just one
example, where Asha gets the sole serious composition and Lata gets the lighter
ones.
>Another ignoramus delivery left outside the off stump. Lesson #2
>learnt from RMIM: The idea of namecalling reinforcing an argument is a
>myth. It actually weakens it.
You can leave as many deliveries as you want. What matters is the runs you
score. Even a test match last for just 5 days and if at the end of the 5 days
your score reads "zero not out"--which is what you are batting currently--it
matters little how many deliveries you faced or left.
>> last statement by you in the para above, I don't see Ravi ever giving Asha
>> second class statement.
>Ever? Strong word. Using your logic, would I have to come up with just
>one example to disprove you? Anyway, "pathhar pe humne phool chaRaae
What example could you bring up that would refute what I have heard from Ravi's
own mouth, sitting across from him in his own house? If there was anyone who was
second fiddle for him it was Suman.
>to kya kiya." BTW, was Ravi on the long list of people with whom Didi
>had a quarrel? Does that explain Lata's presence in his studio only
>once in a chaudvin ka blue chaand?
It's not that rare either. Lata has sung for Ravi in 27 movies for a total of 75
songs.
>And I'll shoulder arms once more.
Yes but you are conceding as can be seen from the line below, even if you are a
little mixed up regarding your own gender :)
>"Achha"ji main haari chalo maan jaao na...
Ketan
AR
While Lata has really great songs with RDB in the 70s and 80s, he is
not the only MD who gave her good songs to sing in that period. There
was Khayyam (Kabhi Kabhi, Chambal ki Kassam, Razia Sultan, Bazar,
etc.). There was Jaidev (Tumhare Liye, Prem Parbat, Alaap). There was
Hridaynath in his few forays into Hindi film music. And yes, certainly
Lakshmikant Pyarelal have had memorable songs with Lata in the 70s and
later. Sur Sangam, Badalte Rishte, Main Tulsi Tere Aangan Ki and
Satyam Shivam Sundaram all contain good songs. There was Salil
Chaudhary (Chhotisi Baat, Annadata, Rajanigandha). For that matter,
Lata has had at least a few good songs even with Rajesh Roshan and
Bhappi Lahiri. Furthermore, it is entirely her prerogative as to how
much she should talk about RDB. And just because she does not remind
us every hour that RDB was the greatest thing in Indian music, it does
not mean that she doesn't respect RDB's talent. Celebrities
(especially those that have experienced the kind of fame that Lata
earned) may be requested for interviews day in and day out, and it's
quite possible that they are rather tired of answering the same kind
of questions every day. And Dr. Bicchu has also made a very valid
point.
kcp
AR wrote:
> On Jun 14, 3:06 pm, kcp <kcpin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Jun 14, 9:25 pm, Asif <alvi.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > So with so
> > > many contenders in the fray, Lata is not likely to talk much about her
> > > association with RD unless specifically asked.
> >
> > Thats not the main reason. There ought to be "some" peculiar/strange
> > reason ( related to Asha :P )
> > She is not likely to talk ever after...yes thats the sad part !! Its
> > sad that she keeps on giving different reasons ( recent one was that
> > she does not face video cameras any more and then the next week goes
> > on promoting on hundreds of video channels for her album Saadgi ). Not
> > a few minutes to talk about her ONLY saving grace in the HFM of 70's &
> > 80's ( Ohh BTW, I completely disagree with Lata-RD surpassing any
> > other combination like Lata-LP & Lata-KA , etc, in the 70's and
> > 80's ) ????
Actually it should be the opposite !! Sorry
> While Lata has really great songs with RDB in the 70s and 80s, he is
> not the only MD who gave her good songs to sing in that period.
Agreed. Actually I missed to state the point that majority of Lata-RD
"gems" were "popular" (thanks Asifji for your ongoing analysis ). I
meant the "ONLY" in that sense.
> Celebrities
> (especially those that have experienced the kind of fame that Lata
> earned) may be requested for interviews day in and day out, and it's
> quite possible that they are rather tired of answering the same kind
> of questions every day.
Agreed. But the case that I was talking was a first documentary film
on RDBurman, where almost all his friends/colleagues were already
interviewed. This was not just any other interview. A few minutes ....
2 words...for your own conscience sake !!
Kcp-sleepy-after-not-sleeping-for-2-days
Asif
(after considering a few comments/reservations, especially by KCP), I
have selected only a song that is at least good (no OK song here
because, after all, the whole issue is about “achchha gaana”) OR at
least a hit (no average here) OR both. Also, I have labeled each song
only as Hit (or Not-Hit) and Good (or Not-Good). If a song is good,
it clearly sounds so – that it maybe outstanding for some or just good
enough for others is beyond before this exercise.
As for the popularity category, if a song was hit or became a hit over
the passage of time, then it shows too – and that it was a super-hit
or an average-hit or became so over the years is beyond this exercise
too. That’s why I have eliminated the bonus point (as I did in my
previous list) for these reasons. Now, however, the only bonus point
I am assigning to each song is for only this reason: if only Asha
could have sung the song, then she gets the bonus point, and if only
Lata could have sung it, then she gets one. But such songs are very
few and far between.
Good song = 1 point
Not-Good song = 0 point
Hit song = 1 point
Not-Hit song = 0 point
Plus, I am also listing albums dominated (for mostly practical
purposes) by either one of the singers. If there is a solitary song
sung by any other female singer AND it is not a major song (popularity
wise or otherwise), I would count the album as either all-Lata or all-
Asha, for example, Chhote Nawab. This count of ‘all-who’ albums would
also decide who (Lata or Asha) got most favors from RDB on a single
album, and who delivered on RDB’s expectations.
So here it goes (up to 1979).
1961:
Chhote Nawab:
1. Aaj hua mera dil matwaala (Lata) – Amita (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ghar aaja ghir aaye (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Hit/Good
3. Matwaali aankhon waale (Lata) – Amita (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1965:
Teesra Kaun:
1. Achchha sanam kar le stiam (Asha) – Kalpana (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1966:
Pati Patni:
1. Kajre badarwa (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Maar daalega ye dard-e-jigar (Asha) – Don’t-Remember (Not) – Not-
Hit/Good* (bonus point)
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Teesri Manzil:
1. Aaja aaja main hoon (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
2. O haseena zulfon waali (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good
3. O mere sona re (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Dekhiye saahibo (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
********************************************************************************
1967:
Bahaaron Ke Sapne:
1. Aaja piya tohe pyaar doon (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Chunri sambhaal gori (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
3. Kya jaanoon sajan (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Chandan Ka Palna:
1. Kis kaaran kaamini (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. O ganga maiyya (Lata) – Meena (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Sharaabi sharaabi (Lata) – Meena (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1968:
Abhilasha:
1. Pyaar hua hai jabse (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Waadiyaan mera daaman (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Munne mere aa (Asha) – Meena (Not) - Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Padosan:
1. Main chali main chali (Lata, Asha) – Saira Banu/Other (Heroine/Not)
– Hit/Good
2. Bhaai battoor (Lata) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Sharm aati hai magar (Lata) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
********************************************************************************
1969:
Pyar Ka Mausam:
1. Ni sultana re (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aap chaahen mujhko (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Main na miloongi (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Na jaa o mere hamdam (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Waris:
1. Lehraake aaya hai (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Kabhi kabhi aisa bhi to (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1970:
Ehsaan:
1. Aaja tujhko pyaar kar loon (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Kati Patang:
1. Na koi umang hai (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aaj na chhodenge (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Mera naam hai shabnam (Asha) – Bindu (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Puraskar:
1. Nateeja hamaari mohabbat ka (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Raaton Ka Raja:
1. Ai dekho to yahaan (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Door se tera deewaana (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi:
1. Le lo choodiyaan (Lata) – Leena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
The Train:
1. Kis liye maine pyaar kiya (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Mujhse bhala ye (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. O meri jaan maine kaha (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
4. Maine dil abhi (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good
5. Chhaiyyaan re chhaiyaan (Asha) – Nanda (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
********************************************************************************
1971:
Adhikar:
1. Koi maane ya na maane (Asha) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Tum ho sabke rakhwaale (Asha) – Nanda (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Amar Prem:
1. Raina beeti jaaye (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Buddha Mil Gaya:
1. Bhali bhali si ek soorat (Asha) – Archana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jiya na lage mora (Lata) – Archana (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Caravan:
1. Ab jo mile hain to (Asha) – Asha Parekh/Aruna Irani (Heroine/Not) –
Hit/Good
2. Are ho goriya kahaan tera desh (Asha) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
3. Chadhti jawaani (Lata) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
4. Daiyya ye main kahaan (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
5. Dilbar dil se pyaare (Lata) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
6. Kitna pyaara waada (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
7. Piya too ab to aaja (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 6
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 3
Hangama:
1. Suraj se jo kiran ka naata (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Hare Rama Hare Krishna:
1. Dam maaro dam (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Ho re ghunghroo (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Kaanchi re kaanchi re (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Phoolon ka taara ka (Lata) – Master Alankar (Not) – Hit/Good
5. I love you (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: I believe that Lata could have sung both ‘Dam maaro dam’ and ‘I
love you’ at least fairly well enough to satisfy RDB, so no bonus
points to Asha here.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Lakhon Me Ek:
1. Chanda o chanda (Lata) – Radha Saluja (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Main tera naam (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Jogi o jogi (Lata) – Radha Saluja (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Mela:
1. Gori ke haath mein (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Rut hai milan ki (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Ek baar rakh de (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Paraya Dhan:
1. Aao jhoomen gaayen (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Too pyaar too preet (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Pyar Ki Kahani:
1. Ek khabar aayi (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1972:
Apna Desh:
1. Aaja o mere raja (Asha) – Don’t-Remember – Not-Hit/Good
2. Duniya mein logon ko (Asha) – Mumtaz (Heroine) - Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
3. Kajra lagaake (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Sun champa sun taara (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Bombay To Goa:
1. Dil tera hai (Lata) – Aruna Irani (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Tum meri zindagi mein (Lata) – Aruna Irani (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Dil Ka Raja:
1. Sundar hoon aisi main (Asha) – Leena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Do Chor:
1. Yaari ho gayi (Lata) – Tanuja (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Chaahe rahe door (Lata) – Tanuja (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kaali palak teri gori (Lata) – Tanuja (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Note: The song ‘yaari ho gayi yaar se’ is a good proof that Lata could
have sung for RDB such other saucy songs that mostly went to Asha.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Gomti Ke Kinare:
1. Aao aao jaan-e-jahaan (Asha) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jeene ka din (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Aaj to meri hansi udaai (Lata) – Meena Kumari (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Jawani Diwani:
1. Jaan-e-jaan (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
2. Agar saaz chheda (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Haay tauba toone mujhe (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Mere Jeevan Saathi:
1. Deewaana karke chhodoge (Lata) – Tanuja (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aao na gale laga lo na (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Not-Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Parchhaiyan:
1. Saanson mein kabhi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Parichay:
1. Saare ke saare (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Beeti na bitaai raina (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Rakhi Aur Hathkadi:
1. Achchhi naheen sanam (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Tere milan ko (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Rampur Ka Lakshman:
1. Gum hai kisi ke pyaar mein (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Albela re (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Pyaar ka samay (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Kaahe apnon ke kaam (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: The song ‘albela re’ is another good proof of Lata’s versatility
in such lively songs (for RDB) that are usually associated with Asha.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Samadhi:
1. Bangle ke peechhe (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jab tak rahe tan mein (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Maine dekha ik sapna (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Sanjog:
1. Man mandir mein (Asha, Lata) – Mala Sinha, Aruna Irani (Heroine) –
Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Savera:
1. Tera pyaar leke (Lata) – Rehana Sultan (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Sajni god bharaawe (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Seeta Aur Geeta:
1. Hawa ke saath saath (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Koi ladki mujhe (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Haan ji haan (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Shehzada:
1. Rimjhim rimjhim deko (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1973:
Aa Gale Lag Jaa:
1. Waada karo naheen chhodoge (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Anamika:
1. Aaj ki raat koi aane ko hai (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
2. Baahon mein chale aao (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Logo na maaro ise (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Jaaoon to kahaan jaaoon (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Bada Kabutar:
1. Haay re haay re (Asha) – Rehana Sultan (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Mubaarak ho (Asha) – Rehana Sultan (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Raaz ki baat (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Bandhe Haath:
1. O maajhi o maajhi (Asha) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ye kaun aaj aaya (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Chhalia:
1. Aa mere saathi aa (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. O jaaneman (Asha) – Nanda (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Do Phool:
1. Muttu kodi kawaadi gada (Asha) – Aruna Irani (Heroine) – Hit/Good*
(bonus point)
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Double Cross:
1. Toota hai koi sapna (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Pal bhar ke liye (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Heera Panna:
1. Panna ki tamanna hai (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Bahut door mujhe (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Ek paheli hai too (Asha) – Sheetal (Not) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Hifazat:
1. Mere hamraahi mere pyaar (Asha) – Asha Sachdev (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
2. Ye mastaani dagar (Asha) – Asha Sachdev (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Jaise Ko Taisa:
1. Abke saawan mein (Lata) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Saajan sajna re (Lata) – Reena (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Jheel Ke Us Paar:
1. Chal chalen ai dil (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
2. Do ghoonth mujhe bhi (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Baabul tere (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Kah rahe hain ye (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
5. Haay bichhua (Asha) – Yogita Bali (Not) – Hit/Good
Note: I have always believed that Asha could not have possibly
injected into ‘chal chalen ai dil’ a certain feminine longing that
Lata actually did.
Score (Quality): Lata = 5, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Joshila:
1. Sona roopa laayo re (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Kuchh bhi kar lo (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Dil mein jo baaten hain (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Sharma na yoon (Asha) – Bindu (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
5. Kaanp rahi main (Asha) – Padma Khanna (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
6. Mehfil mein chhupaane pade (Lata) – Don’t-Remember – Not-Hit/Good
7. Jo baat ishaaron mein kahi (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Kaatil Kaun:
1. Teri ankhiyaan meri ankhiyaan (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Mr. Romeo:
1. Na soyenge (Lata) – Rinku (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaa re jaa main tose (Lata) – Rinku (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good*
(bonus point)
3. Yahaan naheen kahoongi (Lata) – Rinku (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Ai mujhe dil de (Asha) – Rinku (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
5. Isi shehar ki (Asha) – Rinku (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
Note: The song ‘jaa re jaa main tose’ is a typical Lata song that only
she could have sung. Asha would have come close to delivering the
mood of the song, but then a certain coyness that is so apparent in
the song could have come about only because of Lata.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Nafrat:
1. Mere yaar dildaar (Asha) – Yogita Bali (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Namak Haraam:
1. Sooni re sajariya (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Paanch Dushman:
1. Jaana hai hamen to jahaan (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Raja Rani:
1. Jab andhera hota hai (Asha) – Background – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
2. Main ik chor (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Laal chunariya odhke (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Rickshawala:
1. Phoolon ki duniya se (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Maine kaha zid chhod de (Lata) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Shareef Budmash:
1. Neend churaake (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
2. Meri mohabbat mein (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: Those erotic gaspings in ‘Neend churaake’ could have come only
from Asha’s throat. I just cannot imagine Lata singing it, let alone
doing justice to its mood.
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Yaadon Ki Baaraat:
1. Chura liya hai (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aapke kamre mein (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Lekar ham deewaana dil (Asha) – Neetu (Not) – Hit/Good
4. Meri soni meri tamanna (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: For all practical purposes, this is an all-Asha album. I have
left out the title song by Lata, because for one thing it was not a
hit at all, and for another it is an ordinary song by Lata’s own
standard – I always skip it whenever I listen to this album’s CD. By
the way, I think she could have song all the above songs equally well
even if differently.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
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1974:
Aaj Raat Ko:
1. Andheri hai raat sajan (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Koi to aaye re (Asha) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Aap Ki Kasam:
1. Chori chori chupke chupke (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Jai jai shiv Shankar (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Karvaten badalte rahe (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Paas naheen aana (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Suno kaho kaha suna (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Note: Often I think that ‘Karvaten badalte rahe’ was Lata’s answer to
Asha’s ‘Jaan-e-jaan’ (Jawani Diwani) in terms of high-pitched singing,
range, and sensuousness.
Score (Quality): Lata = 5, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Ajanabee:
1. Bheegi bheegi raaton mein (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Ham donon do premi (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Benaam:
1. Aa raat jaati hai (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ek din hansaana (Lata) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Charitraheen:
1. Chhota sa ghar apna (Lata) – Yogita Bali (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Dil se dil milne ka (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Teri meri yaari (Asha) – Sharmila/Leena Das (Heroine/Not) – Hit/
Good* (bonus point)
4. Dil daike jaan le gaya (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Dil Diwana:
1. Kisi se dosti kar lo (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Khan chacha khan chacha (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
3. Mujhko mohabbat mein (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Doosri Seeta:
1. Too jahaan mile mujhe (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
2. Din jaa rahe hain (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Goonj:
1. Kar loongi dooja koi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Not-Good
2. Re mita de too agar mujkho (Asha) – Bindu (Not) - Not-Hit/Good
3. Tumko kitna pyaar hai (Lata) – Reena Roy (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Aa meri jaan main khadi hoon (Lata) – Reena Roy (Heroine) - Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Humshakal:
1. Phans gayi udti chidiya (Asha) – Don’t-Know - Not-Hit/Good
2. Ham tum gumsum (Asha) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kaahe ko bulaaya (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Ishq Ishq Ishq:
1. Wallah kya nazaara hai (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
2. Ishq ishq ishq zamaane mein jo (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Madhosh:
1. Sharaabi aankhen (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
2. Jaan maare balmo hamaar (Asha) – Reena Roy (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
3. Qasam khaao tum (Asha) – Reena Roy (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
4. Mera chhota sa dil (Asha) – Reena Roy (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Manoranjan:
1. Suno ji suno (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Goya ki chunaanche (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Chori chori solah singaar (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Aaya hoon main (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Phir Kab Milogi:
1. Kaheen karti hogi (Lata) – Mala Sinha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Koi paas aaye (Lata) – Mala Sinha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Le gayi khushboo (Lata) – Mala Sinha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Tum mujhse roothhe ho (Lata) – Mala Sinha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Shaitaan:
1. Apna samajhke chali aayi hoon (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Trimurti:
1. Ab rahoge tum (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Milegi ik nayi zindagi (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Ujala Hi Ujala:
1. Maine to ye jaana (Asha) – Yogita Bali (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ai mere dil bhool jaa (Asha) – Yogita Bali (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Maane naheen jiya ki umang (Asha) – Yogita Bali (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Zehreela Insaan:
1. Mere dil se ye nain (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ye silsila pyaar se chala (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
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1975:
Aandhi:
1. Is mod se jaate hain (Lata) – Suchitra (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Tere bina zindagi se (Lata) – Suchitra (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Tum aa gaye ho (Lata) – Suchitra (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Deewaar:
1. Maine tujhe maanga (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Kah doon tumhen (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Koi mar jaaye (Asha) – Aruna Irani (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Dharam Karam:
1. Tere hamsafar (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Too kahaan gayi thi (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Kala Sona:
1. Sun sun qasam se (Asha) – Farida (Not) – Hit/Good
2. Tak jhoom naacho (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Ek baar jaan-e-jaanaan (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
4. Koi aaya (Asha) – Parveen Babi/Helen (Heroine/Not) – Hit/Good*
(bonus point)
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Khel Khel Mein:
1. Aaye lo pyaar ke din (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Ek main aur ek too (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Khullam khulla (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Sapna mera (Asha) – Aruna Irani (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Khushboo:
1. Bechaara dil kya kare (Asha) – Farida (Not) – Hit/Good
2. Ghar jaayegi (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Do nainon mein (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Mazaaq:
1. Takra gaye do baadal (Asha) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Nikamma:
1. Gaao siyon senoreeta (Asha) – Neetu/Bindu (Heroine/Not) – Not-Hit/
Good
2. Tere bina main (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Tere bina mujhe ik pal raha jaaye na (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-
Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Raaja:
1. Jee chaahe jee chaahe (Lata) – Sulakshana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Sholay:
1. Holi ke din (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jab tak hai jaan (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Warrant:
1. Ladi najariya ladi (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Main tumse mohabbat karti hoon (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
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1976:
Bhanwar:
1. Aankhen milaayenge (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Karo baaten mulaaqaaten (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Rang le aayenge (Asha) – Aruna Irani (Not) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Bhola Bhala:
1. Jhuk gayeen aankhen (Lata) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Bullet:
1. Chori chori chupke chupke (Asha) – Jyoti Bakshi (Not) – Hit/Good
2. Jab tum chale jaaoge (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Peene ke baad (Asha) – Jyoti Bakshi (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Dhongee:
1. Haay re haay tera ghunghta (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Khalifa:
1. Dil machal raha hai (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Maha Chor:
1. Main tumse pyaar karti hoon (Lata) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Mehbooba:
1. Mere naina (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
2. Jamuna kinaare (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Aapke shehar mein (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Chalo ri chalo ri (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
5. Parbat ke peechhe (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 6, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Nehle Peh Dehla:
1. Main choron ki raani hoon (Asha) – Bindu (Not) – Hit/Good
2. Saawan ka maheena (Lata) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Logon ki zubaan par (Lata) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
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1977:
Bundalbaaz:
1. Naghma hamaara gaayega (Lata) – Sulakshana (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Chala Murari Hero Ban Ne (1977)
1. Do pal ki hai ye (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Khoye ho aakhir (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
3. Teri kathputli hoon (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Chalta Purza:
1. Aa gaye ham dildaar (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aapne farz nibhaaya (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Ye raat ye rang (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Chandi Sona:
1. Aapsa koi haseen (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Uljhan hazaar koi daale (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Socha tha maine to (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha =2
Darling Darling:
1. Hello darling (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
2. Ik main hoon (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Hum Kisise Kum Naheen:
1. Ye ladka haay Allah (Asha) – Kajal (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Hai agar dushman (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Mil gaya hamko saathi (Asha) – Kajal (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Hamko to yaara (Asha) – Kajal (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Jeevan Mukt:
1. Hamne kabhi socha naheen (Asha) – Don’t-Know - Not-Hit/Good
2. Aao waheen ham chalen (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Hey Shyaam kahoon kaise (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Karm:
1. Samay too jaldi jaldi (dheere dheere) chal (Asha) – Vidya (Heroine)
– Hit/Good
2. Maine dekha tujhe (Asha) – Vidya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Kinara:
1. Naam gum jaayega (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Abke na saawan barse (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Meethhe bol bole (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Mukti:
1. Lalla lalla lori (Lata) – Vidya (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
2. Dil sajan jalta hai (Asha) – Bindiya (Not) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Naya Daur:
1. Chalo kaheen aur (Asha) – Bhavna Bhatt (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
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1978:
Azaad:
1. Jaan ki qasam (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Main too teri prem deewaani (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Chor Ho To Aisa:
1. Piya agar bhi na (Asha) – Reena Roy (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Devata:
1. Chaand churaake (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Gulmohar gar tumhaara (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Main to kaare badarwa se (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Ghar:
1. Aaj kal paanv (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aapki aankhon mein (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Tere bina jiya jaaye na (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
Note: All-Lata album.
Note: The God created ‘tere bina jiya jaaye na’ for Lata only, and RDB
just executed the divine plan. No two ways about it!
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Heeralal Pannalal:
1. Dhhal gayi rang mein (Asha) – Zeenat? (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Kahiye kahaan se aana hua (Asha/Lata) – Zeenat/Neetu (Heroine) –
Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Kasme Vaade:
1. Kasme vaade nibhaayenge ham (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aati rahengi bahaaren (Asha) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Gumsum kyon hai sanam (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Mile jo kadi kadi (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Naukri:
1. Tere lab pe yoon (Asha) – Zahira (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Maine tumko piya kah diya (Lata) – Zahira (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Phandebaaz:
1. Mohabbat mein aji kya (Lata) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Duniya mein paise bina (Lata) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Shalimaar:
1. Aaine wohi rehta hai (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Mera pyaar shalimaar (Asha) – Background? (Not) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
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1979:
Aanchal:
1. Bas meri jaan bas (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Bhor bhaye panchhi (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Jaane de gaadi teri (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Paise ka kaajal (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Bhala Maanush:
1. Jaan pehchaan to (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Kaise kahoon man ki baat (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Dhan Daulat:
1. Ho jaaye phir (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jeena kya aji (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Wo jinki nayi hai duniya (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Golmaal:
1. Ik baat kahoon (Lata) – Bindiya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: This album has only one Lata song, so I won’t consider it as all-
Lata.
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Hamaare Tumhaare:
1. Kuchh tum kaho (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Jal Mahal:
1. Main hoon diya (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
2. Zindagi ko jab (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
3. Dekh raha koi (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Jhootha Kahin Ka:
1. Baarah baje ki (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jhootha kahin ka (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Jeevan ke har mod pe (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Jurmana:
1. Naachoon main gaao tum (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Not) - Not-Hit/Good
2. Saawan ke jhoole pade (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Ae sakhi raadhike (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
4. Chhoti si ik kali (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Manzil:
1. Rimjhim gire saawan (Lata) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Man mera chaahe (Asha) – Moushumi (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Naukar:
1. Ankhiyon mein chhote chhote (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Pallu latke (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Aaya na karo (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Ratnadeep:
1. Aisa ho to kaisa hoga (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
2. kabhi kabhi sapna lagta hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) - Not-Hit/
Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Salaam Memsaab:
1. Tera kaha maine kiya (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
2. Ham bhi raahon mein (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
The Burning Train:
1. Pal do pal ka saath (Asha) – Asha Sachdev (Not) – Hit/Good
2. Meri nazar hai tujh pe (Asha) – Hema/Parveen (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Kisi ke waade pe (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Jab tak ambar par (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: For all practical purposes, this is an all-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
The Great Gambler:
1. O deewaanon dil sambhaalo (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
2. Raqqaasha mera naam (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Pehle pehle pyaar ki (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Do lafzon ki hai (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Tum itne baad mile (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
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So far (up to 1979):
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Total Score (Quality): Lata = 165, Asha = 194
Total Score (Hit): Lata = 112, Asha = 97
Total All-Asha Albums = 33
Total All-Lata Albums = 15
All-Asha albums:
Not good performance overall: Puraskar (1970), Rakhi Aur Hathkadi
(1972), Nafrat (1973), Dhongee (1976), Khalifa (1976), Darling Darling
(1977), and Naya Daur (1978) = total 7. So, the percentage
performance on making the album memorable (for any reason) on her own:
(26/33) * 100 = 78%.
All-Lata albums:
Not good performance overall: Shehzada (1972) = total 1. So, the
percentage performance on making the album memorable (for any reason)
on her own: (14/15) * 100 = 93%.
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Asif
Asif
So here it goes (including all years up to 1982).
1961:
Chhote Nawab:
1. Aaj hua mera dil matwaala (Lata) – Amita (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ghar aaja ghir aaye (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Hit/Good
3. Matwaali aankhon waale (Lata) – Amita (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
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1965:
Teesra Kaun:
1. Achchha sanam kar le stiam (Asha) – Kalpana (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
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1966:
Pati Patni:
Kajre badarwa (Lata) – Nanda (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Padosan:
Main chali main chali (Lata, Asha) – Saira Banu/Other (Heroine/Not) –
Hit/Good
Bhaai battoor (Lata) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Sharm aati hai magar (Lata) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
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1969:
Pyar Ka Mausam:
Ni sultana re (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Aap chaahen mujhko (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Main na miloongi (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Na jaa o mere hamdam (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Waris:
Lehraake aaya hai (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Kabhi kabhi aisa bhi to (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
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1970:
Ehsaan:
1977:
Bundalbaaz:
Naghma hamaara gaayega (Lata) – Sulakshana (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Chala Murari Hero Ban Ne (1977)
Do pal ki hai ye (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Khoye ho aakhir (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Teri kathputli hoon (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Chalta Purza:
Aa gaye ham dildaar (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Aapne farz nibhaaya (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
1978:
Azaad:
Jaan ki qasam (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
The Burning Train:
Pal do pal ka saath (Asha) – Asha Sachdev (Not) – Hit/Good
Meri nazar hai tujh pe (Asha) – Hema/Parveen (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Kisi ke waade pe (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Jab tak ambar par (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: For all practical purposes, this is an all-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
The Great Gambler:
1. O deewaanon dil sambhaalo (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) - Not-Hit/Good
2. Raqqaasha mera naam (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Pehle pehle pyaar ki (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Do lafzon ki hai (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Tum itne baad mile (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
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1980:
Alibaba Aur 40 Chor:
1. Aaja sar-e-baazaar (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaadoogar jaadoo kar jaayega (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Khatooba khatooba (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Abdullah:
1. Bheega badan jalne laga (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jashn-e-bahaaraan (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Om jai jagdeesh hare (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Bulandi:
1. Kaho kahaan chalen (Asha) – Kim (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Gunahgaar:
1. Tum jahaan jaaoge (Asha) – Kim (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Harjaai:
1. Tere liye palkon ki (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jeevan mein jab (Asha) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Khubsoorat:
1. Sun sun didi (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Piya baawari (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Kudrat:
1. Toone o rangeele (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Sajti hai yoon hi (Asha) – Priya (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Saawan naheen bhaadon naheen (Asha) – Priya/Aruna Irani (Not) – Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Phir Wohi Raat:
1. Bindiya tarse (Lata) – Kim (Heroine – Not-Hit/Good
2. Sang mere nikle the (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Phir wohi hum tum (Asha) – Kim (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Red Rose:
1. Tere bin jeena kya (Asha) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Kiski sadaayen (Asha) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Rocky:
1. Doston ko salaam (Asha) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Geet sunoge huzoor (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kya yehi pyaar hai (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Ham tumse mile (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Shaan:
1. Pyaar karne waale (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaanoon meri jaan (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Sitara:
1. Sajna ka kangna (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Thodi si zameen (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Saath saath tum chalo (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
4. Aap aaye ghareebkhaane mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
5. Ye saaye hain (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Takkar:
1. Maakhanchor nandkishor (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
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1981:
Adhura Admi:
1. Tumse hi to shuroo hai (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Barsaat Ki Ek Raat:
1. Apne pyaar ke sapne (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Haay re wo pardesi (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Baseraa:
1. Aaoongi ik din (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Jahaan pe savera ho (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Jaane kaise beetengeen (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Saanwre phir suanaao baansuri (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
5. Tumhen chhodke (Asha) – Poonam (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Daulat:
1. Zindagi ye zindagi (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Khoobsoorat ho (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Dhuan:
1. Ho phir aankh phadki (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Ghunghroo Ki Awaaz:
1. Rote rote naina (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ankhiyon ka kajra (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Jo bhi toone dekha (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Jail Yatra:
1. Naheen lagta haay dil (Lata) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Paake akeli mohe (Asha/Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine/?) – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Kya takalluf hai (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Ye jo nazar (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Kachche Heere:
1. Kaanta laago re (Lata) – Reena (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Love Story:
1. Kya ghazab karte ho ji (Asha) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
2. Ye ladki zara si (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Yaad aa rahi hai (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Dekho maine dekha hai (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Kaisa tera pyaar (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 4, Asha = 1
Mangalsutra:
1. Jaago mahadev (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Raat banoon main (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Jawaani sharaarat kare (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Namkeen:
1. Aanki chali baanki chali (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
2. Phir se aiyo badra (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Badi der se mehga (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Naram Garam:
1. Hamen raaston ki (Asha) – Don’t-Remember (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Mere angna aaye re (Asha) – Don’t-Remember (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Raksha:
1. Main chalta hoon (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Satte Pe Satta:
1. Masuam mastaana (Asha) – Hema? (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Jhukaake sar ko poochho (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Duggi pe duggi ho (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Zamaane Ko Dikhana Hai:
1. Bolo bolo (Asha) – Padmini (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Poochho na yaar (Asha) – Padmini (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
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1982:
Aamne Saamne:
1. Oonchi neechi paalki (Asha) – Bindiya (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Ashanti:
1. Dil diya hai maine (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Angoor:
1. Roz roz daali daali (Asha) – Deepti Naval (Not) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Bade Dilwaala:
1. Jeevan ke dil chhote sahi (Lata) – Don’t-Remember – Hit/Good
2. Kaheen na jaa (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kaho kaise rasta bhool gaye (Lata) – Aruna Irani (Not) – Not-Hit/
Good
4. Tujh mein kya hai (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Bemisaal:
1. Ae ri pawan (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Kitni khoobsoorat (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Chor Police:
1. Tumse milke (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Ganga Meri Maa:
1. Andaaz tere pyaar ka (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Dil aapko jabse (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Masoom:
1. Tujhse naaraaz naheen (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Sanam Teri Kasam:
1. Kitne bhi too kar le (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaan-e-jaan (Asha) – Reena Roy (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Shakti:
1. Hamne sanam ko (Lata) – Smita (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Are jaane kaise kab (Lata) – Smita (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Agarche is mohabbat mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Shaukeen:
1. Ye rang-e-mehfil (Asha) – Rati (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Suhaani shaam aayi hai (Asha) – Rati (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Swami Dada:
1. Sun sun jeene waale (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Not-Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Teri Kasam:
1. Ham jis raaste pe chale (Lata) – Poonam (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Yeh Vaada Raha:
1. Mil gayeen aaj do (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Asia kabhi hua naheen (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Too too hai wohi (Asha) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Ishq mera bandagi hai (Asha) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Maine tujhe kabhi kuchh (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
6. Jeene ko to jeete hain (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 6
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
****************************************************************************
So far (including all years up to 1982):
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Total Score (Quality): Lata = 200, Asha = 259
Total Score (Hit): Lata = 134, Asha = 128
Total All-Asha Albums = 42
Total All-Lata Albums = 16
All-Asha albums:
Not good performance overall: Puraskar (1970), Rakhi Aur Hathkadi
(1972), Nafrat (1973), Dhongee (1976), Khalifa (1976), Darling Darling
(1977), Naya Daur (1978), Bulandi (1980), and Gunahgaar (1980) = total
9. So, the percentage performance on making the album memorable (for
any reason) on her own: (33/42) * 100 = 79%.
All-Lata albums:
Not good performance overall: Shehzada (1972) = total 1. So, the
percentage performance on making the album memorable (for any reason)
on her own: (15/16) * 100 = 94%.
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Asif
kcp
sm0...@gmail.com
>
> > Man, that's way too complicated. Let's make it simple: The "Achha
> > gana"s are those that Lata got from the Burmans and Asha didn't :-)
>
> > Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)
>
> Hold on...bhai/behen log......ye aadmi bahot confused hai ya humko
> confuse karna chahta hai !!
>
> Can you explain clearly what you meant by this statement ?
>
> Burmans never gave Achche gaane to Asha ? is that what you mean ?
Oh puh-leeze! See that smiley at the end? It serves a purpose.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad)
> kcp
sm0...@gmail.com
> In article <2ea28a18-c44c-448b-aa14-991f6f615...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> sm0...@gmail.com says...
>
> >> What is flippant about "O mere sona re"? Or is your definition of "achhe
> >> gaane" now changing to songs that are also slow, sad ones? In that case,
> >> what is flippant about "Samay tu jaldi jaldi chal"?
> >This would qualify as an "Achha gaana", but not as a good song in my
> >book.
>
> Which one of the above qualifies as an "Achha gaana"? And we are not discussing
"Samay tu jaldi jaldi chal..."
> anything about good songs. If it is not the "Teesri Manzil" song, please also
> tell us why the Rafi song qualifies as "achha gaana", since going by your own
> criteria and to the best of my knowledge, Shammi Kapoor was not the heroine of
> the movie.
Have you decided that the path to staying young is to behave
childishly for ever? What sort of a stupid question is that?
> Sticking to what you said earlier "One of the few times when RDB trusted Asha
> with his "Achhe gaane" was in Ijaazat - pretty late in his career", clearly you
> have been proved wrong since you now classify atleast one of the above two songs
> as an "Achha gaana". Do you still have doubts about your ignorance?
Surely, even you know the difference between a "few times" and "once."
> >Was Suraiyya the heroine of the movie? That would negate the claim
of
> >all other songs as "Achhe gaane."
>
> I believe Suraiya and Usha Kiran both were the heroines of the movie. Not having
> seen the movie, I cannot determine whether Asha sung any songs for Usha Kiran,
> it still destroys your argument that "SDB chose Asha only when Lata couldn't or
> wouldn't want to deliver". Clearly there was the option to pick Lata and he
> didn't.
Lata couldn't sing because the main heroine was singing for herself.
The second heroine does not meet the criterion of an "achha song."
> Again it does not matter if Lata was singing for the non-heroine. Your argument
> and definition of "accha gaana" is "Lata sang for the heroine, while Asha got
> the non-heroine" songs. There are atleast 2 songs sung by Asha picturized on the
> heroine--Chand Usmani. You are wrong--AGAIN!
I did not dispute Asha getting the "achha gaane" in this move although
I don't know if they were non-flippant, caberet or not. I only asked
if the Lata songs were on the filmed heroine or not. But that didn't
stop you from passing judgements - again.
> >With songs such as "Aankh khulte hi tum....," "Ghyal hiraniya...,"
> >"Jeevan ke safar me rahi...," "Phaili hui hai sapnon ki baahen...,"
> >"THanDi hawaaen...," and "Tum na jaane kis jahan me kho gae..." going
> >to Lata, is it any surprise that Asha felt that the "Achhe gaane" went
> >Didi's way?
>
> No it is not a surprise since I am aware of it. It is the poorly thought out
> criteria that you have for "Achhe gaane" (atleast in the case of SDB and RDB)
> that needs to go. It's got nothing to do with just cabaret or non-heroine songs.
You got to be kidding! Would a singer want to sing for the heroine or
any sidey character? If Asha had a stream of "achhe gaane" come her
way as Lata did, I doubt if she would have sung as many cabaret songs
as she did. That hurt her image tremendously.
> It's got to do with SDB just like a lot of other MD's preferring Lata for the
> solos and Asha for the duets and more often than not it is the solo that makes
> an impact. Please refer to Balaji's analysis of Lata and Asha's songs for Madan
The solo makes more impact not merely because it is a solo but because
it usually is an "achha gaana," further corroborating my theory.
> Mohan for the 50s, that he had done maybe a decade ago. The differnce in the
> total # of songs the two sung for MM is very small. However we remember Lata-MM
> better known since it was Lata who was singing the solos.
Lata getting the solos is further evidence of Asha getting the second
class treatment.
> It is not surprising that I can pick holes with such ease in your criteria. In
With your logic, you'll pick up holes in the cricket outfield
mistaking it for the golf green.
> Taxi Driver for instance Lata gets 3 cabaret songs picturized on the non-heroine
> and just one song on the heroine "Jaaye to jaaye kahan". Asha also gets atleast
> one song on the heroine "Dekho maane nahin" but it is a duet. I don't remember
This is another classic example of Lata getting the "achha gaana" and
Asha the flippant also ran.
> Your attempts to paint this argument in the black and white shades of
> cabaret/non-heroine/non-flippant is bound to show you wrong atleast when it
> comes to the Burmans. Even for RDB, there in Bandhe Haat(RDB) to cite just one
> example, where Asha gets the sole serious composition and Lata gets the lighter
> ones.
And there are many examples the other way around.
> >> last statement by you in the para above, I don't see Ravi ever giving Asha
> >> second class statement.
> >Ever? Strong word. Using your logic, would I have to come up with just
> >one example to disprove you? Anyway, "pathhar pe humne phool chaRaae
>
> What example could you bring up
In case you missed it, I already brought up the example of Ek Saal
where Ravi gave Lata two wonderful solos. Again, using your logic,
only one example should suffice to refute your claim reg. Ravi.
>that would refute what I have heard from Ravi's own mouth, sitting across from him in his own house?
So what comes out from Ravi's mouth while you are sitting accross from
him should be treated as aakaashvani but what Asha says in her
interview is questionable. Interesting.
> >to kya kiya." BTW, was Ravi on the long list of people with whom Didi
> >had a quarrel? Does that explain Lata's presence in his studio only
> >once in a chaudvin ka blue chaand?
>
> It's not that rare either. Lata has sung for Ravi in 27 movies for a total of 75
> songs.
I had read somewhere - not sure if it was on RMIM - that Ravi had a
tiff with Lata at some time during his career. It that is true, it may
explain all those non-Lata movies. Has anyone heard of a Ravi/Lata
naaraazgi?
> Yes but you are conceding as can be seen from the line below, even if you are a
> little mixed up regarding your own gender :)
Smiley acknowledged. But still, grow up.
Abhay Jain
<sm0...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> song that features Lata. Armaan again has 4 Asha songs and zero by Lata.
>> In
>> "Jeevan Jyoti" Asha has 3 solos to Lata's 2.
>Do you know on whom those songs were picturized? I'm curious to know
>if Lata was relegated to sing for the non-heroine.
Both Lata and Asha sang for heroine Chand Usmani (her first movie) in Jeeva
Jyoti.
AJ
Shalini
"Asif" <alvi...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Asif, I admit I don't understand the point of this exercise, but if you are
bent on undertaking it, wouldn't it be both easier and more accurate to use
Vishwas Nerukar's "Pancham" book for the song listings? There are a number
of factual errors and exclusions (ex. no mention of "Garam Masala" ) in your
listings and the song picturization info is also incorrect for many songs
(ex. "Chhote Nawab" is NOT an all-Lata score, Shamshad sings a qawwali with
Rafi, nor is "Matwaali aankhon waale" picturized on Amita).
I also think your criteria is problematic and I completely disagree with
your claim that whether a song is "good" or not is self-evident or that
there is ANY kind of consensus on the definition of a "good" song. Even
your assignments of "Hit" vs. "not-Hit" are off - "Le lo chudiyaan" is not a
hit song (and I don't remember it being on Leena either). As for the
"bonus" points thing, I don't see the value nor your rationale for determing
whether a song could have only been sung by Lata or Asha. As a matter of
fact, some of your judgements on this aspect are absurd - Lata could have
done justice to "Dum maro Dum" but Asha couldn't have to "tere bina jiya
jaaye na"?! Howlers like that make it impossible, at least for me, to take
this exercise seriously.
Shalini
Asif
>
> Asif, I admit I don't understand the point of this exercise, but if you are
> bent on undertaking it, wouldn't it be both easier and more accurate to use
> Vishwas Nerukar's "Pancham" book for the song listings? There are a number
> of factual errors and exclusions (ex. no mention of "Garam Masala" ) in your
> listings and the song picturization info is also incorrect for many songs
> (ex. "Chhote Nawab" is NOT an all-Lata score, Shamshad sings a qawwali with
> Rafi, nor is "Matwaali aankhon waale" picturized on Amita).
>
> I also think your criteria is problematic and I completely disagree with
> your claim that whether a song is "good" or not is self-evident or that
> there is ANY kind of consensus on the definition of a "good" song. Even
> your assignments of "Hit" vs. "not-Hit" are off - "Le lo chudiyaan" is not a
> hit song (and I don't remember it being on Leena either). As for the
> "bonus" points thing, I don't see the value nor your rationale for determing
> whether a song could have only been sung by Lata or Asha. As a matter of
> fact, some of your judgements on this aspect are absurd - Lata could have
> done justice to "Dum maro Dum" but Asha couldn't have to "tere bina jiya
> jaaye na"?! Howlers like that make it impossible, at least for me, to take
> this exercise seriously.
>
> Shalini
Shalini, I fully agree with your view on "consensus on a good song",
but that's the least I can get to. Earlier I was talking about good,
excellent, and extraordinary songs, but soon I realized it would
create a lot more disagreement, so I eliminated that part and now I
focus on just "at least good" song. My list of songs is completely
correct and sourced from Nerurkar's book (though I do not have the
book with me - not yet). When I started this exercise (at work) I
sourced Vinay's website, but now I am using my own detailed list. As
for song picturization, yes I know there are mistakes (and I tried to
guess some) but this data is not much important at this point and I
plan to fix it later. As for Shamshad's song in Chhote Nawab, if you
notice, I clearly said in my intro that if there is a solitary song by
any other song AND it is not a major song anyway, I could consider it
as all-Lata or all-Asha album.
Anyway, I sincerely believe that my criteria (of at least a good song)
is not as problematic as you might think. I have objectively listened
to the whole of RDB over the past 30 years and, for this exercise,
chose objectively again only those songs that are at least good. You
are welcome to disagree, and I completely understand that my list is
bound to invite disagreement of one sort or the other. At least I am
happy to just *count* the good songs by Asha and Lata, not to
specifically discuss their merits. As for the "hit songs" data, I
have done enough research on this subject in the past 30 years too,
and I fully rely on my knowledge of this subject. The song 'Le lo
choodiyaan' was an average hit in 1971, and I know it from my weekly
BGM lists of that year. If it was not filmed on Leena, that is my
mistake and I am always open to correction (as I said in above para).
Regarding the bonus point, I decided to use it for "could not have
sung" criteria only and I think it adds value to the whole exercise
and I did not need to explain the rationale. Mostly such examples are
pretty obvious and widely-accepted. I passed remarks only for certain
other songs, like, as you pointed out, 'dam maaro dam' and 'tere
bina', not for all such songs. But I surely did not howl. I think I
used very warm and simple tone in my remarks for such songs. While I
am willing to eliminate this "bonus point" too in lieu of your strong
reservation about it, at least, please give it a read until I complete
my exercise - I am sure it has a value for others or at least to me.
At the end you won't find many such examples of "bonus point", and if
they still make a big difference to your view or anyone else', I would
happily remove it too.
By the way, I do not find a single good song in Garam Masal (1972),
that's why you do not see it in my list - I have eliminated a lot of
other such films too. Thanks again for your views.
Asif
Ketan
sm0...@gmail.com says...
>> anything about good songs. If it is not the "Teesri Manzil" song, please also
>> tell us why the Rafi song qualifies as "achha gaana", since going by your =
>> own criteria and to the best of my knowledge, Shammi Kapoor was not the
>> heroine of the movie.
>
>Have you decided that the path to staying young is to behave
>childishly for ever? What sort of a stupid question is that?
Wasn't it you who said "The idea of name calling reinforcing an argument is a
myth. It actually weakens it". I guess you decided to come down from your
pedestal.
The only reason I brought up your "Tumne mujhe dekha" quote was to show that you
were now breaking your own rules on what constituted an "achha gaana", bringing
in your personal biases and subjective opinions into the matter. Maybe you have
decided that the path to acting your age is to be senile. Fair enough!
>> Sticking to what you said earlier "One of the few times when RDB trusted Asha
>> with his "Achhe gaane" was in Ijaazat - pretty late in his career",
>Surely, even you know the difference between a "few times" and "once."
Yes. However I think you need to read your own sentence again. You are wrong on
both "the "a few times" AND on the "pretty late in his career" parts of your
quote.
Relate it to this identically written, factually correct statement
"One of the few times when Gavaskar scored a century in ODI cricket was in
1987--pretty late in his career".
>Lata couldn't sing because the main heroine was singing for herself.
>The second heroine does not meet the criterion of an "achha song."
What nonsense! There are two main heroines just as in Bhagambhaag, where there
are two main heroes and Kishore just happens to sing for himself. Did you know
that "aye dilruba nazare mila" is picturized on an extra and the movie also has
Suraiya in it? Apparently, as late as 1960, Lata had no problems singing that
song. You keep coming up with new contortions to punch holes in your arguments.
>You got to be kidding! Would a singer want to sing for the heroine or
>any sidey character? If Asha had a stream of "achhe gaane" come her
>way as Lata did, I doubt if she would have sung as many cabaret songs
>as she did. That hurt her image tremendously.
Absolutely agree with you. However that wasn't the argument you made initially
which was; "The Burmans, on the other hand, mostly used Asha only when Lata
couldn't or wouldn't want to deliver. Asha was always, as Dada Burman said, the
second serve". I was responding to that and I think I have adequately
demonstrated that your statement does not stand up to facts.
>Lata getting the solos is further evidence of Asha getting the second
>class treatment.
Ok but then you have just bludgeoned your own earlier argument to death. Because
you see Asha has 406 solos by RDB and Lata only has 194. You cannot now say RDB
gave Asha second class treatement. I will leave you to decide which argument is
less damaging to your credibility.
>With your logic, you'll pick up holes in the cricket outfield
>mistaking it for the golf green.
Ahh but atleast the ball (like my rebuttals) will be grounded. That's more than
I can say for your flighty statements.
>> Taxi Driver for instance Lata gets 3 cabaret songs picturized on the non
>>heroine and just one song on the heroine "Jaaye to jaaye kahan". Asha also >>
>>gets atleast one song on the heroine "Dekho maane nahin" but it is a duet. I >>
>>don't remember
>This is another classic example of Lata getting the "achha gaana" and
>Asha the flippant also ran.
WHHHAATTT!!! I thought your definition was "Achhe gaane" were those that were
picturized on the main heroine and were of the non-cabaret, non-flippant
variety". Let me repeat--Asha got a non-cabaret, non-flippant song for the
heroine. What part of my statement where I said Lata gets 3 cabaret songs on a
non-heroine(a disqualifier by your own narrow standards) did you not understand?
Have you finished painting yourself in a corner already?
>So what comes out from Ravi's mouth while you are sitting accross from
>him should be treated as aakaashvani but what Asha says in her
>interview is questionable. Interesting.
Er..you need to listen to that interview again. Yes--listen, not read, since the
audio is available on "Meri Sangeet Yatra". When Asha laughingly makes the
"achhe gaane went to Didi" allegation, Gulzar immediately counters with a
"that's not true--you sang for the heroine in my Khushboo, Angoor, Namkeen" etc.
Which is why I have some sympathy for Asha's argument when it comes to other
MD's but not when it comes to RD.
>I had read somewhere - not sure if it was on RMIM - that Ravi had a
>tiff with Lata at some time during his career. It that is true, it may
>explain all those non-Lata movies. Has anyone heard of a Ravi/Lata
>naaraazgi?
Ravi himself did not mention any rift. He very openly mentioned a rift he had
with both Suman and Salma Agha.
Ketan
Asif
I forgot to add few things to my reply to you. This exercise is not
merely *my* list. Actually, I want to involve other RDB experts, like
you, Ketan, KCP, Vinay, and Abhijeet to make the exercise more
agreeable in terms of "achchha gaana", as well as get help from other
folks, like Sami, to understand what they consider a "achchha
gaana" (from RDB) for Asha or Lata only (not any male singer or Shammi
Kapoor or 'Tumne mujhe dekha'). For example, if Sami can show me why
'Aaye lo pyaar ke din' (Khel Khel Mein, 1975) or 'Meri soni meri
tamanna' (Yaadon Ki Baaraat, 1973) are not "achchha gaanas", I would
seriously consider his explanation.
Again, I ask you to not go into too much details to figure out why the
songs in my list are "achchha gaana" to me. Just focus on whether it
sounds good to you or not. Because, after all, there can be a hazaar
definitions of a "achchha gaana" and not a single definition may make
multiple songs "achchha gaanas" - those multiple other songs might
need other definitions to sound good. And because I could not come up
with those hazaar definitions and apply them on those hazaar songs
under review, I just decided on a more palatable definition - if a
song is good, it sounds so. As I said, I am open to your help in
making this exercise more palatable too.
Asif
Chetan Vinchhi
Asif, two consecutive statements by you:
> I have objectively listened
> to the whole of RDB over the past 30 years and, for this exercise,
> chose objectively again only those songs that are at least good.
and
> You
> are welcome to disagree, and I completely understand that my list is
> bound to invite disagreement of one sort or the other.
are in complete contradiction (hint: look up what "objective" means.
hint #2: There is no such thing as objective listening and objective
"goodness"!).
It is difficult to take your (no doubt considerable and painstaking)
efforts seriously after this.
C
Asif
Point taken, Chetan, and so let me rephrase what I already said (and I
don't think there was any contradiction on my part):
Even though I objectively chose in my list what I thought were the
good songs, I did not provide those hazaar definitions of a good song
and left it to others to figure out what a good song is. That's why I
realistically expect disagreement of one sort or the other. I request
you too (and others as well) to not go by detailed definitions here
and just simply focus on if the song sounds good or not good to you.
Anyway, I did all those "objective" things in order to at least
prepare a reasonable list and invite debate/discussion later on if
anyone is interested in finding faults. In sum, I am only counting
"good" songs, not specifically discussing their individual merits
(that might make them better or not good) - this is for all of us to
decide in the end and add/subtract a few songs here and there,
depending, of course, our own definitions of a good song. I am just
giving you the fodder, not forcing my opinion on you or anyone else.
As I responded to Shalini, I am willing to make changes during the
exercise itself and even after I finish it too. Feedback is
definitely expected and appreciated too. Thanks.
Asif
ek bharateeya
>
> - Show quoted text -
asif:
i enjoyed your exercise (though i confess i did not read through all
of it - that's saved for a rainy day!). chetan will continue to object
to your use of the word "objective." to wit, here is a quote from the
above:
"Even though I objectively chose in my list what I thought were the
good songs ..."
any selection done by one person cannot be called objective unless the
criteria are quantifiable. in this case, "good" is as subjective as
can be unless - for instance - you qualify "good" by including only
those songs where the singer(s)'s range exceed(s) one octave.
in the cricket world, for the most part, an lbw is subjective, but a
clean bowled is objective (for those who will come after me one way or
the other, i have included the disclaimer "for the most part") ;-).
- e.b.
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> Even though I objectively chose in my list what I thought were the
> good songs
Here we go again. What do you mean "objectively chose"? There is no
such thing!!
I suggest you stop claiming to be objective in such exercises.
C
sm0...@gmail.com
> I forgot to add few things to my reply to you. This exercise is not
> merely *my* list. Actually, I want to involve other RDB experts, like
> you, Ketan, KCP, Vinay, and Abhijeet to make the exercise more
> agreeable in terms of "achchha gaana", as well as get help from other
> folks, like Sami, to understand what they consider a "achchha
> gaana" (from RDB) for Asha or Lata only (not any male singer or Shammi
> Kapoor or 'Tumne mujhe dekha'). For example, if Sami can show me why
> 'Aaye lo pyaar ke din' (Khel Khel Mein, 1975) or 'Meri soni meri
> tamanna' (Yaadon Ki Baaraat, 1973) are not "achchha gaanas", I would
> seriously consider his explanation.
First of all, let me repeat that the term "achha gaana" used by me in
this thread is not equivalent to a "good song." I used that term to
describe the type of songs that Asha felt always went to Lata and not
her. A non-"achha gaana" can be a good song.
An "achha gaana" is that for which the singer (usually Lata) got
recognized as a top notch singer. I have used the cricket test century
as an analogy to describe this. For the purists, this is still the
ultimate achievement of a batsman (let me add that there are other
factors as well, lest some smart Aleck jumps in to ask if Kumble is a
better batsman than Chetan Chauhan). IMHO, cabaret songs do not fall
into this category or else Asha, the queen of this genre, wouldn't
have lagged behind Lata in overall recognition received.
Let me treat to your query regarding "Aae lo pyaar ke din..." and
"Meri soni..." under two separate categories:
1. "Achha gaana" as defined above: The evidence points towards the
above songs NOT being "Achha gaana"s. Asha has sung many such songs
and yet they haven't translated into the deserved recognition. On the
other hand, the duets of Andhi are "achha gaana"s.
2. Good songs: I consider "Meri soni..." to be a good song but "Aae lo
pyar ke din....," to me, is below average. Why? I am not knowledgeable
in musical nuances to explain exactly why. Different types of music
appeal to different people. That is the only explanation I can offer.
And it has nothing to do with happy/sad tunes. For instance, I love
the duet "Kaahe ko bulaya mujhe baalma..." although I never thought
that a guy in a suit and tie would sing it on the screen :-)
I'll piggy-back on your post to list my favorites from RDB's output.
I've added some post-'82 favorites as well.
Lata Solos:
Ghar aaja ghir aae, Jiya na laage mora, Aaja piya tohe pyaar dun, Bhai
battoor, bhai battoor, Na ja O mere humdum, Raina beeti jaae, Chanda O
chanda (the KK version is better), Bahon me chale aao, Do nainon me
aansu bhare hain, Aajkal paanv zamin par, Tere bina jiya jaae na,
Saawan ke jhoole paRe, Tune O rangile kaisa jaadu kiya, Tujhse naaraaz
nahin zindagi, Din pyaar ke aaenge saanwariya
Lata Duets:
Chunri sambhal gori, Main chali main chali, Ni Sultana re, Kitna
pyaara waada, Kanch re kanchi re, Rut hai milan ki, Tu pyaar tu preet,
Kajra lagaake, Kali palak teri gori, Diwana karke chhoRoge, Beeti na
bitaai raina, Gum hai kiske pyaar me, Pyaar ka samay, Bangle ke
peechhe, Waada karo nahin chhoRogi, Panna ki tamanna hai, Ab ke sawan
me ji Dare, Main ek chor, KarvaTen badalte rahe, Paas naheen aana, Dil
se dil milne ka, Kaahe ko bulya (BTW, this was picturized on Tanuja
and Rajesh Khanna), Kahin karti hogi woh mera intezaar, Is moR se
jaate hain, Tum aa gae ho, Tere bina zindagi se koi, Ek main aur ek
tu, Naam gum jaaega, MeeTHe bol bole, Tum jo chale gae to, Gulmohar
gar tumhara naam hota, Aapki aankhon ne kuchh, Ae sakhi Raadhike
baanwari ho gaee, ThhoRisi zameen, Kitni khoobsoorat ye tasvir hai,
Jab hum jawaan honge,
Asha solos:
Jab tak rahe tan me jia, Tu jahan mile mujhe, Chori chori solah
singaar karungi, Bechara dil kya kare, JhooTa kahin ka mujhe aisa
mila, Do lafzon ki hai ye kahani, Khatooba khatooba, Jashn-e-baharaan,
Baat adhuri kyun hai, Aur kya ahd-e-wafa hote hain, Mera kuchh
saamaan, Khatra khatra milti hai, Khali haath shaam aaee hai
Asha duets:
O mere sona re, Main chali main chali, Koi maane ya na maane, Arre ho
goriya kahan tera des re, Aao jhoomen gaaen, Jaane jaan, Agar saaz
chheRa, Saare ke saare, Achhi nahin sanam dillagi, Dil me jo baaten
hain, Jab andhera hota hai, Neend churake raaton me, Chura liya hai
tumne, Aapke kamre me koi, Meri soni meri tamanna, Ye laRka hai Allah,
Samay tu dheere dheere chal, Jeena kya aji pyaar bina, Pal do pal ka
saath humaara, Aa dekhen zara, Tu tu hai wohi dil ne jise, Pyaar me
dil pe maar de goli, Ye din to aata hai ek din jawani me, Jeene de ye
duniya, Tu rooTHa to main rodungi sanam, Jaane do na
Lata solos: 16
Lata duets: 36
Asha solos: 13
Asha duets: 26
The above is just a list of *my* favorite Lata and Asha RDB songs. The
only purpose it serves is to give a glimpse of the type of songs I
like and explains why RDB makes it to my top 10 list but not the top
5 . All the famous Asha/RDB cabaret songs are missing from the list.
While I admire Asha for her vocal gymnastics in such songs, I am not
able to enjoy them.
Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)
> Asif
Ketan
sm0...@gmail.com says...
>First of all, let me repeat that the term "achha gaana" used by me in
>this thread is not equivalent to a "good song." I used that term to
>describe the type of songs that Asha felt always went to Lata and not
>her. A non-"achha gaana" can be a good song.
>An "achha gaana" is that for which the singer (usually Lata) got
>recognized as a top notch singer. IMHO, cabaret songs do not fall
>into this category or else Asha, the queen of this genre, wouldn't
>have lagged behind Lata in overall recognition received.
But you are mixing up issues here. You need to answer the following question:
1) Did Asha get recognition as a top-notch singer?
The answer is Yes! So what if some of them were cabaret songs.
No one is disputing that Lata got greater recognition. However you would have to
be living on Mars to deny that Asha got it too. Your statement implies that
cabaret songs cannot allow an artiste to be recognized as a good singer and
hence cannot be deemed "achhe gaane". Have you considered that the reason for
that was not Asha's singing ability but the puritanical Victorian values
prevalent in the country, that classified cabaret songs as "non-achhe gaane" and
by association anyone who sung it as not a "good singer". It is difficult to
call any analysis on Asha's career that does not take this aspect into account
as a serious, thoughtful one.
>Let me treat to your query regarding "Aae lo pyaar ke din..." and
>"Meri soni..." under two separate categories:
>1. "Achha gaana" as defined above: The evidence points towards the
>above songs NOT being "Achha gaana"s. Asha has sung many such songs
>and yet they haven't translated into the deserved recognition. On the
>other hand, the duets of Andhi are "achha gaana"s.
What is this evidence you speak of? Care to share? Not only did she get many
such songs, but today's generation considers Asha as the last word in singing
precisely because of these kinds of songs. Even back in the 70s a lot of us
thought Asha was the bee's knees precisely for her "Meri soni.." and "Dum maro
dum" kind of songs.
>2. Good songs: I consider "Meri soni..." to be a good song but "Aae lo
>pyar ke din....," to me, is below average. Why? I am not knowledgeable
>in musical nuances to explain exactly why. Different types of music
>appeal to different people. That is the only explanation I can offer.
>And it has nothing to do with happy/sad tunes. For instance, I love
>the duet "Kaahe ko bulaya mujhe baalma..." although I never thought
>that a guy in a suit and tie would sing it on the screen :-)
Which goes back to what I had said earlier--your definition of "achha gaana" is
based on your biases. I wonder if it is subconscioulsy rooted to the thinking of
"your master's voice" and his "B-word" classification of Asha's voice. So far
all evidence points to that.
Ketan
ani...@gmail.com
word for what/how she feels and leave it be? She is, after all, from
the 40s and 50s generation of film music and grew up on the songs
composed by all the greats. There are so many here on RMIM who just
love the songs from the 40s and they don't like later songs. So, if in
her mind the songs of RBD that *she* considered good - whatever the
criteria is in her mind - seems to her to have gone to Lata, why
should we doubt it - it could possibly be a continuation of her her
being resentful of being in Lata's shadow in the earlier decades?
From late 60s to early 80s, Asha was the better singer. Anyone who has
a good ear will agree with this. Except for RDB's earlier songs from
Chhote Nawab, Bhoot Bangla, Baharon Ke Sapne (including the
masterpiece "kya janoon sajan") etc, there is nothing in his
repertoire with Lata that Asha could not atleast equalled, if not
bettered. The Lata hangover from the 50s and early 60s was too
powerful - mostly commercially - that probably got her all those
wonderful songs of RDB. However, if Asha and others believe that she
got any less from RDB due to her lesser talent, then there is not much
I can say. Let them believe it!
Cheers,
Anil
Abhijit
OMG! Close to 100 favorite songs of RDB excluding those by his most
used singer Kishore (except in duets) and other male singers!!! You've
got to be a big RDB fan! Seriously, how many > 100 favorite songs can
one list for an MD who is not his favorite?
Asif
I was also delightfully surprised by Sami Sahab's list of his favorite
Lata/Asha/RDB sogs. He sure has a taste for RDB (and mostly his good
music), and I am not complaining :-)
I will post the remaining exercise by this weekend.
Asif
Asif
of RDB’s songs from the ‘80s and ‘90s in a long time, so I decided to
refresh my memories/views of them by listening to all of them over the
past 3 weeks. In the process I discovered many more gems that really
thrilled me. Anyway, here is the complete list of Lata/Asha/RDB songs
that are at least good OR at least a hit OR both. Please note that
this is not an objective list, but rather a carefully prepared list of
songs that I guess a lot of other people also find at least good
enough. To label a song with hit/not-hit tag, I sourced Binaca Geet
Mala annual and weekly lists and my own research material on hit
music.
I do not have a clear definition or definitions of a good song, so all
I would say that if a song is good, it clearly sounds so. That it
maybe outstanding for some or just good enough for others is beyond
the scope of this exercise.
As for the popularity category, if a song was hit or became a hit over
the passage of time, then it shows too – and that it was a super-hit
or an average-hit or became so over the years is beyond this exercise
too.
Good song = 1 point
Not-Good song = 0 point
Hit song = 1 point
Not-Hit song = 0 point
Plus, I am assigning a bonus point to a song if only Lata or Asha
could have sung it. If only Asha could have sung the song, then she
gets the bonus point, and if only Lata could have sung it, then she
gets one. But such songs are very few and far between.
I am also listing albums dominated (for mostly practical purposes) by
either one of the singers. If there is a solitary song sung by any
other female singer AND it is not a major song (popularity wise or
otherwise), I would count the album as either all-Lata or all-Asha,
for example, Chhote Nawab. This count of ‘all-who’ albums would also
decide who (Lata or Asha) got most favors from RDB on a single album,
and who delivered on his expectations.
So here it goes (including all years up to 1996, the year of RDB’s
last released album).
1961:
Chhote Nawab:
1. Aaj hua mera dil matwaala (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
2. Ghar aaja ghir aaye (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Hit/Good
3. Matwaali aankhon waale (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1965:
Teesra Kaun:
1. Achchha sanam kar le sitam (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1966:
Pati Patni:
1. Kajre badarwa (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Door se tera deewaana (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Saas Bhi Kabhi Bahu Thi:
1. Le lo choodiyaan (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Buddha Mil Gaya:
1. Bhali bhali si ek soorat (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
2. Jiya na lage mora (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Caravan:
1. Ab jo mile hain to (Asha) – Asha Parekh/Aruna Irani (Heroine/Not) –
Hit/Good
2. Are ho goriya kahaan tera desh (Asha) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
3. Chadhti jawaani (Lata) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
4. Daiyya ye main kahaan (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
5. Dilbar dil se pyaare (Lata) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
6. Kitna pyaara waada (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
7. Piya too ab to aaja (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 6
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 3
Hangama:
1. Suraj se jo kiran ka naata (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Hare Rama Hare Krishna:
1. Dam maaro dam (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Ho re ghunghroo (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Kaanchi re kaanchi re (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Phoolon ka taara ka (Lata) – Master Alankar (Not) – Hit/Good
5. I love you (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: I believe that Lata could have sung both ‘Dam maaro dam’ and ‘I
love you’ at least fairly well enough to satisfy RDB, so no bonus
points to Asha here. The song ‘Dam maaro dam’ remains memorable for
the way it came out of Asha’s vocal chords and RDB’s baton, but it was
not a diffcult song, including the intoxicating ‘uu turu tuu tuu tuu
tuu aa aa aa’ refrain. Lata rendered a similar refrain in ‘Albela
re’ (Rampur Ka Lakshman, 1972) equally well.
3. Pyaar ka samay (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Kaahe apnon ke kaam (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: The song ‘albela re’ is another good proof of Lata’s versatility
in such lively songs (for RDB) that are usually associated with Asha.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Samadhi:
1. Bangle ke peechhe (Lata) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jab tak rahe tan mein (Asha) – Asha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Maine dekha ik sapna (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Sanjog:
1. Man mandir mein (Asha, Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Savera:
1. Tera pyaar leke (Lata) – Rehana Sultan (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Sajni god bharaawe (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Seeta Aur Geeta:
1. Hawa ke saath saath (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Koi ladki mujhe (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Haan ji haan (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Shehzada:
1. Rimjhim rimjhim dekho (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1973:
Aa Gale Lag Jaa:
1. Waada karo naheen chhodoge (Lata) – Sharmila (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Anamika:
1. Aaj ki raat koi aane ko hai (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus
point)
2. Baahon mein chale aao (Lata) – Jaya (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Logo na maaro ise (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Jaaoon to kahaan jaaoon (Asha) – Jaya (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Bada Kabutar:
1. Haay re haay re (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Mubaarak ho (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Raaz ki baat (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
7. Jo baat ishaaron mein kahi (Lata) – Don’t-Remember – Not-Hit/Good
5 Dushman:
4. Meri soni meri tamanna (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: For all practical purposes, this is an all-Asha album. I left
out the title song by Lata, because for one thing it was not a hit at
all, and for another it is an ordinary song by Lata’s own standards –
I always skip it whenever I listen to this album’s CD. By the way, I
think she could have song all the above songs equally well even if
differently.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
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1974:
Aaj Raat Ko:
1. Andheri hai raat sajan (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Koi to aaye re (Asha) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Aap Ki Kasam:
1. Chori chori chupke chupke (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Jai jai shiv Shankar (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Karvaten badalte rahe (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Paas naheen aana (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Suno kaho kaha suna (Lata) – Mumtaz (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Note: Often I think that ‘Karvaten badalte rahe’ was Lata’s answer to
Asha’s ‘Jaan-e-jaan’ (Jawani Diwani) in terms of low-pitched singing,
Doosri Seeta:
1. Too jahaan mile mujhe (Asha) – Don’t-Know - Not-Hit/Good
2. Din jaa rahe hain (Lata) – Don’t-Know - Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Goonj:
1. Kar loongi dooja koi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Not-Good
2. Re mita de too agar mujkho (Asha) – Bindu (Not) - Not-Hit/Good
3. Tumko kitna pyaar hai (Lata) – Reena Roy (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Aa meri jaan main khadi hoon (Lata) – Reena Roy (Heroine) - Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Humshakal:
1. Phans gayi udti chidiya (Asha) – Don’t-Know - Not-Hit/Good
2. Ham tum gumsum (Asha) – Moushumi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kaahe ko bulaaya (Lata) – Tanuja (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Ishq Ishq Ishq:
1. Wallah kya nazaara hai (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
2. Ishq ishq ishq zamaane mein jo (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Madhosh:
1. Sharaabi aankhen (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Hit/Good* (bonus point)
2. Jaan maare balmo hamaar (Asha) – Don’t-Know - Not-Hit/Good
3. Maane naheen jiya ki umang (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Zehreela Insaan:
1. Mere dil se ye nain (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ye silsila pyaar se chala (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Ik baar jaan-e-jaanaan (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
2. Main hoon teri prem deewaani (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Chor Ho To Aisa:
1. Piya agar bhi na (Asha) – Reena Roy (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Devata:
1. Chaand churaake (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Gulmohar gar tumhaara (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Main to kaare badarwa se (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Ghar:
1. Aaj kal paanv (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aapki aankhon mein (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Tere bina jiya jaaye na (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Note: I believe that the God created ‘tere bina jiya jaaye na’ for
Lata only, and RDB just executed the divine plan. OK, Asha could have
sung it as beautifully too.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Heeralal Pannalal:
1. Dhhal gayi rang mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Kahiye kahaan se aana hua (Asha/Lata) – Zeenat/Neetu (Heroine) –
Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Kasme Vaade:
1. Qasmen vaade nibhaayenge ham (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Hamaare Tumhaare:
1. Kuchh tum kaho (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Jal Mahal:
2. Kabhi kabhi sapna lagta hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) - Not-Hit/
1980:
Alibaba Aur 40 Chor:
1. Aaja sar-e-baazaar (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaadoogar jaadoo kar jaayega (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Khatooba khatooba (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Abdullah:
1. Bheega badan jalne laga (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jashn-e-bahaaraan (Asha) – Helen (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Om jai jagdeesh hare (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Bulandi:
1. Kaho kahaan chalen (Asha) – Kim (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Ab raat ho gayi jawaan (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Ham jab ek saath hain (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Gunahgaar:
1. Tum jahaan jaaoge (Asha) – Kim (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Harjaai:
1. Tere liye palkon ki (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jeevan mein jab (Asha) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Khubsoorat:
1. Sun sun didi (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Piya baawari (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Kudrat:
1. Toone o rangeele (Lata) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Sajti hai yoon hi (Asha) – Priya (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Saawan naheen bhaadon naheen (Asha) – Priya/Aruna/Hema (Not/Not/
Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Phir Wohi Raat:
1. Bindiya tarse (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Sang mere nikle the (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Phir wohi ham tum (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Red Rose:
1. Tere bin jeena kya (Asha) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Kiski sadaayen (Asha) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Rocky:
1. Aa dekhen zara (Asha) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Geet sunoge huzoor (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kya yehi pyaar hai (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Ham tumse mile (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Shaan:
1. Pyaar karne waale (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaanoon meri jaan (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Sitara:
1. Sajna ka kangna (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Thodi si zameen (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Saath saath tum chalo (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
4. Aap aaye ghareebkhaane mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
5. Ye saaye hain (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Takkar:
1. Maakhanchor nandkishor (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
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1981:
Adhura Admi:
1. Tumse hi to shuroo hai (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Barsaat Ki Ek Raat:
1. Apne pyaar ke sapne (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Haay re wo pardesi (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Baseraa:
1. Aaoongi ik din (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Jahaan pe savera ho (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Jaane kaise beetengeen (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Saanwre phir suanaao baansuri (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
5. Tumhen chhodke (Asha) – Poonam (Not) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Daulat:
1. Zindagi ye zindagi (Lata) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Khoobsoorat ho (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Dhuan:
1. Ho phir aankh phadki (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Gehra Zakhm:
1. Mausam bheega bheega (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Sheesha-e-dil mein aapki tasveer hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Chaand sa chehra (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Ghunghroo Ki Awaaz:
1. Rote rote naina (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ankhiyon ka kajra (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Jo bhi toone dekha (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Jail Yatra:
1. Naheen lagta haay dil (Lata) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Paake akeli mohe (Asha/Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine/?) – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Kya takalluf hai (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Ye jo nazar (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Kaalia:
1. Jabse tumko dekha (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
2. Tum saath ho jab apne (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Kachche Heere:
1. Kaanta laago re (Lata) – Reena (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Love Story:
1. Kya ghazab karte ho ji (Asha) – Aruna (Not) – Hit/Good
2. Ye ladki zara si (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Yaad aa rahi hai (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Dekho maine dekha hai (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Kaisa tera pyaar (Lata) – Vijayata (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 4, Asha = 1
Mangalsutra:
1. Jaago mahadev (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Raat banoon main (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Jawaani sharaarat kare (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Namkeen:
1. Aanki chali baanki chali (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
2. Phir se aiyo badra (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Badi der se megha (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Naram Garam:
1. Hamen raaston ki (Asha) – Don’t-Remember – Not-Hit/Good
2. Mere angna aaye re (Asha) – Don’t-Remember – Not-Hit/Good
3. Mere chehre mein chhupa hai (Asha) – Don’t-Remember – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Raksha:
1. Main chalta hoon (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaani dilbar jaani (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Satte Pe Satta:
1. Masuam mastaana (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Jhukaake sar ko poochho (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Duggi pe duggi ho (Asha) – Hema (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Zamaane Ko Dikhana Hai:
1. Bolo bolo (Asha) – Padmini (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Poochho na yaar (Asha) – Padmini (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
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1982:
Amne Samne:
1. Oonchi neechi paalki (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Gale mil lo ho gale mil lo (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Ashanti:
1. Dil diya hai maine (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Lavangi mirchi main Kolhapur ki (Asha, Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Angoor:
1. Roz roz daali daali (Asha) – Deepti Naval (Not) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Bade Dilwaala:
1. Jeevan ke dil chhote sahi (Lata) – Don’t-Remember – Hit/Good
2. Kaheen na jaa (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kaho kaise rasta bhool gaye (Lata) – Aruna Irani (Not) – Not-Hit/
Good
4. Tujh mein kya hai (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Bemisaal:
1. Ae ri pawan (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Kitni khoobsoorat (Lata) – Raakhee (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Chor Police:
1. Tumse milke zindagi ko (Lata) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Tum kaho aur ham sunen (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Aaj mera dil jhoom jhoom (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Ganga Meri Maa:
1. Andaaz tere pyaar ka (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Dil aapko jabse (Asha) – Neetu (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Masoom:
1. Tujhse naaraaz naheen (Lata) – Shabana (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Sanam Teri Kasam:
1. Kitne bhi too kar le (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Jaan-e-jaan (Asha) – Reena (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Shakti:
1. Hamne sanam ko (Lata) – Smita (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Are jaane kaise kab (Lata) – Smita (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Agarche is mohabbat mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Shaukeen:
1. Ye rang-e-mehfil (Asha) – Rati (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Suhaani shaam aayi hai (Asha) – Rati (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Swami Dada:
1. Sun sun sun sun jeene waale (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Not-Good
2. Galiyon galiyon khaak bahut (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Jaake kaheen jog lo … zindagi ye kaisi hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know –
Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Teri Kasam:
Ham jis raaste pe chale (Lata) – Poonam (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Yeh Vaada Raha:
1. Mil gayeen aaj do (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Aisa kabhi hua naheen (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Too too hai wohi (Asha) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Ishq mera bandagi hai (Asha) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
5. Maine tujhe kabhi kuchh (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
6. Jeene ko to jeete hain (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 6
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
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1983:
Aan Aur Shaan:
1. Diya hamne dil (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ganga ban jaaoon (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Shehri baabu hai mera yaar (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Agar Tum Na Hote:
1. Dheere dheere zara zara (Asha) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Hamen aur jeene ki (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Betaab:
1. Apne dil se badi dushmani (Lata) – Amrita (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
2. Baadal yoon garajta hai (Lata) – Amrita (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
3. Jab ham jawaan honge (Lata) – Amrita (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Parbaton se aaj main (Lata) – Amrita (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Kaun Kaise:
1. Kyon kaise hua (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Aayega mere sapnon ka raja (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Lovers:
1. Zamaane mein sabse (Lata) – Padmini (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Aaj mulaaqaaton ka (Lata) – Padmini (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
3. Mohabbat karne waalon ko (Lata) – Padmini (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Mahaan:
1. Pyaar mein dil pe (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Ye din to aata hai (Asha) – Parveen Babi (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Mazdoor:
1. Baat adhoori kyon hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Tumhen bhool jaane ka (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Pukaar:
1. Too mere liye (Asha) – Tina? (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Bachke rehna re baba (Asha) – Zeenat (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Qayamat:
1. Aaj qayaamat ho gayi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Udhar se tumko jo fursat mile (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Poochho naheen dil mera (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Romance:
1. Maang loonga main (Lata) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
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1984:
Anand Aur Anand:
1. Waadon ki shaam aayi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Awaaz:
1. Aankhon ki zubaan ne (Asha) – Jaya Prada (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Zindagi sau baras ki sahi (Asha) – Jaya Prada (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Zindagi aawaaz deti hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 3
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Bheema:
1. Deewaane kya hai sharmaane mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Gori gori titli mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Maanoongi na tere manwa ki batiya (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/
Good
4. Jhoom re piya jhoom sajna (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Duniya:
1. Teri meri zindagi (Lata) – Saira Banu (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Hum Dono:
1. Sun le zameen aasmaan (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Hum Hain Lajawaab:
1. Duniya badal gayi hai (Lata) – Padmini (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Dilbar diljaani (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Jawani:
1. Too roothha to main (Asha) – Neelam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Saajna main sada (Lata) – Neelam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Jhutha Sach:
1. Kaisi lag rahi hoon (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Maati Maange Khoon:
1. Lo sahib phir bhool gayi main (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Main ghoonghat na kholoongi to (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Sang sang ye saari duniya (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
4. Chhup ja chaand sitaaron ki (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
5. Mere ghunghroo mujhe de jaa (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Musaafir:
1. Saawan saanwri ankhiyaan choomke (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Manzil Manzil:
1. O meri jaan (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Lut gaye ham to (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. O mitwa mitwa (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
4. Hey baba hey baba (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Not-Good
5. Ye naina yaad hain piya (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Sitamgar:
1. Tum dilwaalon ke aage (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
2. Mausam pyaar ka rang badalta rahe (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/
Good
3. Meri tarah Allah kare (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Sunny:
1. Aur kya ahad-e-wafa hote hain (Asha) – Don’t-Remember (Heroine) –
Hit/Good
2. Jaane kya baat hai (Lata) – Don’t-Remember (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Meri yaad aayegi (Lata) – Don’t-Remember (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Rahi Badal Gaye:
1. Ik baat dil mein aayi hai (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Chori chori is tarah se (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Zameen Aasman:
1. Ye faasle ye dooriyaan (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Aisa samaan na hota (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Main dil diya dil liya (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
4. Pyaar naghma hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 3, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
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1985:
Alag Alag:
1. Dil mein aag lagaaye (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Kaaghaz qalam dawaat (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Kuchh hamko kuchh tumse (Lata) – Tina (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Is jeevan ki yahi kahaani (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
5. Ram raheem mein antar (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 3, Asha = 0
Ameer Aadmi Gharib Aadmi:
1. Har ek raasta sajaake chal (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Arjun:
1. Dhadkan pal pal (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Awaara Baap:
1. Dil ke dushman pe dil aaya (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Bond 303:
1. Main hoon Lilly (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Ek Main Aur Ek Tu:
1. Jhar jhar behta hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Hum Naujawan:
1. Tera aana ik pal (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Ik pal pyaar ka kabhi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Lava:
1. Jeene de ye duniya (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Ham tum donon milke (Lata) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
3. Dil kya hai sheesha hai (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
4. Koi bhi naam do (Lata) – Dimple (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Ram Tere Kitne Naam:
1. Machal machal jaata hai dil (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
2. Manzil thi kaheen (Lata) – Rekha (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Rusvai:
1. Ye baat hai bilkul pakki (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Saagar:
1. Saagar kinaare (Lata) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. O maria o maria (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Not-Good
3. Jaane do na (Asha) – Dimple (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 2
Savere Wali Gaadi:
1. Din pyaar ke aayenge (Lata) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Dekho ye kaun aaya (Asha) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Zabardast:
1. Aise na thhukraao ai sanam (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Karega zamaana kya (Asha) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
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1986:
Anokha Rishta:
1. Aaj ka din na jaane kyon (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Ijaazat:
1. Mera kuchh saamaan (Asha) – Anuradha Patel (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Qatra qatra milti hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Chhoti si kahaani se (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
4. Khaali haath shaam aayi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Jeeva:
1. Dil pukaare jeeva re aa re (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
2. Chal aaj ke din (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Bas ik nazar pe jaan ka (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
4. Roz roz aankhon tale (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
5. Ye jagamagaata chaand (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 5
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Palay Khan:
1. Kabul se aaya hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
2. Aaya hai har ek hawa ka (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Shatru:
1. Tere aanchal mein (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Samundar:
1. Ai saagar ki lehro (Lata) – Poonam (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Rang-e-mehfi badal raha hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Zindagani:
1. Jab se mile ho tum (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1987:
Apne Apne:
1. Apne apne se lage hamen (Lata) – Don’t-Know (Heroine) – Not-Hit/
Good
2. Gyaan daan hai sabase bada (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 2, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Belagaam:
1. Phool ki daali kehke na modo (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Dacait:
1. Gaanv mein mach gaya shor (Asha) – Meenakshi (Heroine) – Hit/Good
2. Wo teri duniya naheen (Lata) – Meenakshi (Heroine) – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Inaam Dus Hazaar:
1. Chaand koi hoga tumsa kahaan (Asha) – Meenakshi (Heroine) – Hit/
Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
*********************************************************************************
1988:
Chatran:
1. Dhoop chhaanv mein (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Na to dariya ruka (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Sookhe geele se mausam (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
4. Zindagi zindagi khoobsoorat hai (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 4
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Kharidaar:
1. Ho aaj tujhe aisa main (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Na jaa re na jaa (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Mil Gayee Manzil Mujhe:
1. Jaanam kaheen na jaaya karo (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Tum jo mile to phool khile (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Namumkin:
1. Saathi aisa lagta hai (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Tadap:
1. Tadap jeene naheen deti (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Jise pyaar zamaana kehta hai (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
********************************************************************************
1989:
Bahurani:
1. Wo kya the aur hamne (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Parinda:
1. Tumse milke aisa laga (Asha) – Madhuri (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
********************************************************************************
1990:
Chor Pe Mor:
1. Baaj uthhe ghunghroo (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Janam Se Pehle:
1. Ai mere hamsafar (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
*********************************************************************************
1991:
Gunahgaar Kaun:
1. Rona mujhe aata hai re (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Na sanam mar jaayenge ham (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Jhoothi Shaan:
1. Rimjhim rimjhim barse saawan (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Libaas:
1. Seeli hawa chhoo gayi (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Phir kisi shaakh ne (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
3. Khaamosh sa afsaana (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
4. Kya bura hai kya bhala Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Not/Good
Note: All-Lata album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 4, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Siyasat:
1. Masti ke din hain chaar (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
*********************************************************************************
1992:
Drohi:
1. Subah aayi jaagi soyi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Sarphira:
1. Deewaane o deewaane (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
2. Khwaab dekh dekhke (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 2
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
*********************************************************************************
1993:
Gardish:
1. Baadal jo barse to (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Gurudev:
1. Jaipur se nikli gaadi (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Hit/Not-Good
2. Mera kaha maanoge (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Note: All-Asha album.
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Professor Ki Padosan:
1. Milen jhoomke milan rut aayi (Lata) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
*********************************************************************************
1994:
1942 – A Love Story:
1. Kuchh na kaho (Lata) – Manisha (Heroine) – Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
Score (Hit): Lata = 1, Asha = 0
*********************************************************************************
1996:
Sautela Bhai:
1. Sajan sajan kaahe (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
Yaar Meri Zindagi:
1. Piya tore nainwa ki dor (Asha) – Don’t-Know – Not-Hit/Good
Score (Quality): Lata = 0, Asha = 1
Score (Hit): Lata = 0, Asha = 0
#############################################################
Total Scores:
Total songs Lata sang for RDB = Approximately 360
Total songs Asha sang for RDB = Approximately 600
I counted total songs by using the ‘Find’ feature of my Excel
spreadsheet and searching for ‘Lata’ and ‘Asha’ one by one; however, I
am still approximating the total count because some songs are listed
in different versions, e.g. ‘Saagar kinaare’ (Lata, KK), ‘Saagar
kinaare’ (Lata), ‘Saagar kinaare’ (Lata, chorus), etc.
Note: I counted only songs from released Hindi films, not from
unreleased films (I don’t have any unreleased Lata/Asha/RDB song in my
collection anyway) nor from non-film albums.
Lata:
Total songs = 360, Total quality = 249, Percentage of good songs =
(249/360) * 100 = 69%
Total songs = 360, Total hits = 156, Percentage of hits = (156/360) *
100 = 43%
Asha:
Total songs = 600, Total quality = 359, Percentage of good songs =
(359/600) * 100 = 60%
Total songs = 600, Total hits = 159, Percentage of hits = (159/600) *
100 = 27%
Total All-Lata albums = 22, Total Good = 18
So, the percentage performance on making the album memorable (for any
reason) on her own: (18/22) * 100 = 82%.
Total All-Asha albums = 77, Total Good = 47
So, the percentage performance on making the album memorable (for any
reason) on her own: (47/77) * 100 = 61%.
As the numbers above show, Lata had a very impressive and much better
record than Asha. She delivered a hit in almost 1 out of 2 songs –
and that’s the best one can expect from a singer in an album or from
an album itself. Talking about entire albums, she clearly exceeded
RDB’s expetations from her when he trusted the entire album on her –
82% of the time! Among such truly memorable albums dominated by Lata
were: Pyar Ka Mausam (1969), Do Chor (1972), Aap Ki Kasam (1974),
Aandhi (1975), Mehbooba (1976), Kinara (1977), Devata (1978), Ghar
(1978), Jurmana (1979), and Libaas (1991). The cult hit songs
feauring her are fewer in number than Asha’s, but no less fantastic.
A few examples: ‘aajaa piyaa tohe pyaar duu.N’ (Baharon Ke Sapne,
1967), ‘yaarii ho ga_ii yaar se’ (Do Chor, 1972), ‘pannaa kii
tamannaa’ (Heera Panna, 1973), ‘jai jai shiv sha.nkar’ (Aap Ki Kasam,
1974), ‘ham dono.n do premii’ (Ajanabee, 1974), ‘tere binaa zi.ndagii
se’ (Aandhi, 1975), ‘mere nainaa saawan bhaado.n’ (Mehbooba, 1976),
‘qasame.n vaade nibhaaye.nge ham’ (Kasme Vaade, 1978), and ‘tere binaa
jiyaa jaaye na’ (Ghar, 1978). These hits also show that Lata sang a
greater number of memorable duets than Asha did.
Let’s take a look at Asha’s output for RDB. I was shocked and
extremely disappointed to see only 27% hits by Asha for RDB. Even
though most music lovers will never forget such cult hit and landmark
Asha-RDB songs as ‘aajaa aajaa mai.n huu.N pyaar teraa’ (Teesri
Manzil, 1966), ‘o hasiinaa zulfo.n waalii’ (Teesri Manzil, 1966),
‘piyaa tuu ab to aajaa’ (Caravan, 1971), ‘dam maaro dam’ (Hare Rama
Hare Krishna, 1971), ‘duniyaa me.n logo.n ko’ (Apna Desh, 1972),
‘churaa liyaa hai’ (Yaadon Ki Baraat, 1973), ‘sapanaa meraa TuuT
gayaa’ (Khel Khel Mein, 1975), and ‘do lafzo.n kii hai’ (The Great
Gambler, 1979), they probably expected a lot more hits from her under
RDB’s baton. This low percentage of hits suggests two things: 1)
admirers of most of such songs from her lived and still live in urban
areas and have a taste for such peppy songs, unlike music lovers in
rural areas and small towns who mostly favored Lata-RDB songs, and 2)
most of her flop songs come from the ‘80s and ‘90s, when RDB’s music
itself was not consistently good and catchy. Together RDB and Asha
seemed to have run out of ideas in the ‘80s and ‘90s and even tried to
recreate (or simply copy) the magic of ‘piyaa tuu ab to aaja’ in the
utterly poor song ‘aajaa sun le sadaa’ (Gurudev, 1992). But one thing
is clear: RDB did give Asha 600 ‘achchha gaanas’ and entrusted 77
albums entirely to her. Out of those 77, Asha delivered 47 albums
where she sang at least 2 good songs – and this is a good performance
in itself (61%)! However, compared to Lata on the same yardstick (see
above), she lags far behind. It seems to me that she was busy
cornering as many RDB songs as possible without caring much about
quality, especially in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Nevertheless, she dominated
and delivered on her own such fabulous albums as Teesri Manzil (1966),
Jawani Diwani (1972), Yaadon Ki Baaraat (1973), Madhosh (1974),
Deewaar (1975), Kala Sona (1975), Khel Khel Mein (1975), Chandi Sona
(1977), Hum Kisise Kum Naheen (1977), The Great Gambler (1979), Sanam
Teri Kasam (1982), Yeh Vaada Raha (1982), Manzil Manzil (1985), and
Ijaazat (1986). The sheer number of such albums is hugely impressive,
and no wonder most music lovers just focus on these albums and thus
instinctively link her to RDB. It is not surprising too that she
talks about him every so often. This also brings me back to Sami’s
statement that ‘too much credit for Asha’s career is given to RDB and
that it is a joke’. Well, it is not a joke. If it is not a statement
in stone, it is not a joke either. A more apt conclusion would be
that both RDB and Asha complimented each other very well – all those
fabulous all-Asha albums clearly prove it!
The total number of songs (600) that Asha sang for RDB clearly
indicates that RDB favored her, and that’s why it is hard to digest
her claim that ‘achchhe gaane to Didi ko hi mile’. I see two reasons
for this claim or rather regret: 1) grass looking greener on the other
side, and 2) she probably craved more traditional and sublime albums
like Aandhi (1975), Mehbooba (1976), Kinara (1977), Ghar (1978),
Jurmana (1979), and Libaas (1991), or rather wanted them too. When
she complained to Gulzar (during that music sitting with RDB that
Ketan mentioned) about not having got enough songs (in Gulzar films)
on heroines, Gulzar replied by saying he gave her heroine songs in
Angoor, Namkeen, and Ijaazat. If I were in Asha’s place, I would have
told Gulzar, “lekin jab aap aur Pancham peak par the 1970s me.n
(Aandhi, Kinara, Ghar, Devata), tab to mujhe koii gaane nahii.n
mile’ (When you and Pancham were at your peak in the 1970s with
Aandhi, Kinara, Ghar, and Devata, then I did not get to sing any song
in them). Listening to these RDB-Gulzar-Lata albums, including the
wonderful Libaas (1991), again over the past 3 weeks made me think
that RDB probably favored Lata on classical and traditional songs. It
is interesting to note that Maati Maange Khoon (1984) boasts of 4
splendid Lata solos and only 1 Asha solo, almost all of them being
mujras, especially since Rekha played the role of a courtesan in the
film. The film came in the wake of the highly successful Umraao Jaan
(1981) presenting Asha in a new voice. It is possible that RDB
deliberately avoided giving all songs to Asha and thus sounding like
copying Umraao Jaan. It is also likely that he felt comfortable with
Lata singing mujras, especially since she had delivered him such songs
brilliantly before too (Chhote Nawab, Raja Rani, and Mehbooba). But
then Asha also sang an excellent mujra ‘giit sunoge huzuur’ (Rocky,
1980). Be that as it may, 4 songs in Maati Maange Khoon went to Lata
– and this probably hurt Asha. Similarly, RDB gave all but one song
to Lata in another important musical film around the same time, Alag
Alag (1985). No opportunity to sing in another important (and hit)
Lata album – 1942: A Love Story - before RDB departed from the world
was probably equally painful to Asha. And then all-Lata Libaas (1991)
in between must have hurt her too, especially since she had already
proved her worth on such albums with Ijaazat (1986).
Anyway, while I was listening to those obscure ‘80s and ‘90s albums, I
was delighted by such fantastic albums as Aan Aur Shaan (1983),
Qayamat (1983), Bheema (1984), and Maati Maange Khoon (1984). The
Asha solo ‘diiwaane kyaa hai sharamaane me.n’ (Bheema) has a distinct
‘70s RDB-Asha flavor about it, and now I am restless to see how it was
filmed. The film DVD is readily available, and I am hoping Shalini
get hold of it and post the song on youtube. I am going to buy the
DVD anyway – the song is just too magnificent to miss. A similar Asha
solo ‘diiwaane o diiwaane’ (Sarphira, 1992) also gave me a pleasant
surprise. The two Lata songs, besides the ones in Maati Maange Khoon
(1984), that I rediscovered to my sheer delight were ‘mohabbat karane
waalo.n ko’ (Lovers, 1983) and ‘duniyaa badal ga_ii hai’ (Hum Hain
Lajawaab, 1985). The Kishore-Asha duet ‘mausam pyaar kaa ra.ng
badalataa rahe’ (Sitamgar, 1984) is a throwaback to those heady days
of the ‘70s, when Kishore Kumar would sing any duet and it would pour
forth pure magic. I cannot believe I did not listen to this duet in
all these many years.
Finally, to sum it up, the exercise was an eye opener and an enjoyment
to me. The biggest gain from this exercise was to see a lifelong
Naushad fan finally revealing himself to be a RDB fan too. From
‘pizza aur burger kii buu’ to a list of 100 favorite RDB songs in just
a few months, Sami Sahab has come a long way. Ketan delighted me with
his usual conviction in his posts on this thread. To come back to the
main topic, while Lata consistently sang well for RDB and handled all-
Lata albums brilliantly too, it is Asha who is more favorably
associated with the ace music director for all those unforgettable
cult hit songs. She did get a far greater number of ‘achchha gaanaa’
from RDB than Lata did, but failed to hit the jackpot of hit songs.
To her credit, Asha sang some truly wonderful songs that only she
could have sung, including qawaalis like ‘hai agar dushman’ (Hum
Kisise Kum Naheen, 1977) and ‘pal do pal kaa’ (The Burning Train,
1979). While I would expect Asha to talk more about her obscure songs
for RDB than complaing about ‘Didi aur achchhe gaane’, it would be a
delight if Lata finally speaks up on her teaming with RDB. It is
about time we knew what went into making music in those legendary
albums like Aandhi (1975), Mehbooba (1976), Kinara (1977), and Ghar
(1978).
Asif
Ketan
Asif says...
< List of songs/scorecards and analysis deleted >
>I was shocked and extremely disappointed to see only 27% hits by Asha for >RDB.
>Even though most music lovers will never forget such cult hit and landmark
>Asha-RDB songs as aajaa aajaa mai.n huu.N pyaar teraa(Teesri
>Manzil, 1966), o hasiinaa zulfo.n waalii(Teesri Manzil, 1966),
>piyaa tuu ab to aajaa(Caravan, 1971), dam maaro dam(Hare Rama
>Hare Krishna, 1971), duniyaa me.n logo.n ko (Apna Desh, 1972),
>churaa liyaa hai (Yaadon Ki Baraat, 1973), sapanaa meraa TuuT
>gayaa(Khel Khel Mein, 1975), and do lafzo.n kii hai (The Great
>Gambler, 1979), they probably expected a lot more hits from her under
>RDB's baton.
You have eliminated entire movies/songs where Asha is in great form and then you
are surprised at the low 27% number? I am sure you put it a lot of hard work in
doing this exercise but when the intelligence gathering itself is badly flawed,
it is difficult to take the final analysis seriously.
Ketan
Asif
> In article <64d8ab60-3cb5-40f8-abbf-e5ce59f36...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
That 27% is for hit songs, and I sourced it from BGM annual and weekly
lists, and my own research material on hit music. I can confidently
say that I did not eliminate or forget any hit Asha-RDB song. Will
you please list a few that are missing? And also let me know where my
list is "badly flawed".
Asif
Ketan
Asif says...
>>You have eliminated entire movies/songs where Asha is in great form and then >>
>>you are surprised at the low 27% number? I am sure you put it a lot of hard >>
>>work in doing this exercise but when the intelligence gathering itself is
>> badly flawed, it is difficult to take the final analysis seriously.
>> Ketan
>That 27% is for hit songs, and I sourced it from BGM annual and weekly
>lists, and my own research material on hit music. I can confidently
>say that I did not eliminate or forget any hit Asha-RDB song. Will
>you please list a few that are missing? And also let me know where my
>list is "badly flawed".
There are 3 basic flaws:
1) What is your own research material? You need to share that too. Simply saying
"my own research shows xyz was a hit song or not" is not good enough. In an
earlier analysis, Abhijit, Vinay and you have shown that in the 5 year period
from 1971-75 RDB had the largest number of hits. In that thread someone(possibly
you) complained that RDB would have had more hits in the weekly/annual BGM lists
if BGM allowed such a large representation from a single MD. Well, if BGM did
not allow all RD songs to make it, can you really depend on BGM lists and count
in a fair manner, the # of Lata/Asha songs that made it and assign points based
on that?
2) An RMIMer who was very much around during the 70s had once mentioned that the
songs of "Garam Masala" were huge hits and received a fair amount of radio time
when he was in college. Yet I don't see a single song from that movie on your
list. Hence I suspect flaws in your "Hit/Not-Hit" ratings.
3) Anyone who thinks Lata could have sung "Dum Maro Dum" and produced the same
effect as Asha, has been smoking something wierd(not weed). Literally speaking,
yes Lata could have sung any song. We are not being literal here. We are talking
about the end effect. Asha's voice is not her natural voice. I strongly suspect
that RD heard songs and/or watched videos of the Woodstock/Monterey festivals,
heard the pot-thickened voices of Janis Joplin and Grace Slick and noticed the
effect these drugs had on their voices. Taking that as his cue, he has changed
Asha's voice to be similarly heavier than what it is in its natural state.
Lata's voice is simply not capable of being that heavy. Your exercise of
awarding bonus points is therefore entirely subjective and hence flawed. Could
Usha Uthup have sung D-M-D? Yes--and she does a brilliant job in "I Love You".
Ketan
>Asif
Asif
> In article <d22f87dd-35d3-4403-a4ac-01e6d8fa6...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
So your “anonymous” RMIMer friend is a proof/truth, and my “research
material” based on more than 30 years worth of feedback and first-
person accounts of two generations of music lovers and avid radio
listeners, including myself, is a basic flaw? How come, Ketan? How
is that fair? My research material is now in the form of a 60-page
Word document that I typed over the past 10 years. I would have loved
to share it just to show you my credentials on this subject (hit
music), but I cannot do it until a book that I have planned to co-
author with Mr. Anil Bhargava (who published a couple of other books
on HFM in the past) is published. The weekly BGM lists are mostly
photo-copies of original hand-written diary pages (in Urdu) from Mr.
Maajid Maqbool (one of the founders of sdburman.net) and (in Hindi)
from Mr. Bhargava – I have typed weekly lists only for years 1973-76
so far. I have been collecting more fist-person and reliable memories
and information on hit songs (from yesteryears) wherever I get them
from. And I got to know about almost all hits songs from the ‘70s
from my uncles, older brothers, other senior radio listeners from the
neighborhood in my hometown, and relatives and other persons in other
towns/cities (mainly Gwalior) by the turn of the ‘80s itself. And I
knew the release years of all those films then too – full 20 years
before I got Hindi Film Geet Kosh (1971-80). I asked about and
collected popularity information on each and every song I got to
listen in those days – then and over the years since then. And nobody
ever told me anything about the songs from Garam Masala (1972) being
popular at all. This is my research material. Where is your friend?
I am sure he told you that the songs of Garam Masala were huge hits in
his “college”, not “college days”. Are you sure he was not smoking
pot when he said that? I would have been delighted to know particular
hit song(s) from this film as claimed by your friend, but you sadly
dismissed my “research material” as nothing and relied on your
friend’s vague information of “songs being *huge* hits”. Plus, I was
disappointed that you chose just one album (Garam Masala) to dismiss
all my work. It would have helped me if you provided more missing hit
songs/albums – and helped yourself too in making your point.
As for ‘dam maaro dam’ (Hare Rama Hare Krishna, 1971), this is exactly
what I said:
“I believe that Lata could have sung both ‘Dam maaro dam’ and ‘I love
you’ at least fairly well enough to satisfy RDB, so no bonus points to
Asha here. The song ‘Dam maaro dam’ remains memorable for the way it
came out of Asha’s vocal chords and RDB’s baton, but it was not a
diffcult song, including the intoxicating ‘uu turu tuu tuu tuu tuu aa
aa aa’ refrain. Lata rendered a similar refrain in ‘Albela
re’ (Rampur Ka Lakshman, 1972) equally well.”
Where did I say Lata could have produced the same effect? Plus, it
was just my humble opinion and should not make any difference to the
count of good and hit songs by Lata and Asha for RDB, as I said
elsewhere. And sure the bonus point was entirely subjective (I wanted
to know others’ thoughts), but it hardly makes any difference to the
final count.
Anyway, I don’t want to argue with you, and you don’t have to agree
with me either. The exercise was purely my own enjoyment, but I
believe the numbers are close to facts and that's why I decided to
share them here. I just wanted to see where the singers stand, and
that’s why I spent time on this exercise. Even though I am a diehard
fan of Asha-RDB songs myself like you (apparently), I did neither mean
to play favorites (Lata or Asha) nor to impose my list and numbers on
anyone. If you or anyone else wants to add/remove any song from my
list, let me know those songs and I will update my list mainly for my
own knowledge/pleasure and generally for posterity here. Thanks.
Asif
Asif
> In article <d22f87dd-35d3-4403-a4ac-01e6d8fa6...@x35g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
> Asif says...
>
> >>You have eliminated entire movies/songs where Asha is in great form and then >>
> >>you are surprised at the low 27% number? I am sure you put it a lot of hard >>
> >>work in doing this exercise but when the intelligence gathering itself is
> >> badly flawed, it is difficult to take the final analysis seriously.
> >> Ketan
> >That 27% is for hit songs, and I sourced it from BGM annual and weekly
> >lists, and my own research material on hit music. I can confidently
> >say that I did not eliminate or forget any hit Asha-RDB song. Will
> >you please list a few that are missing? And also let me know where my
> >list is "badly flawed".
>
> There are 3 basic flaws:
>
> 1) What is your own research material? You need to share that too. Simply saying
> "my own research shows xyz was a hit song or not" is not good enough. In an
> earlier analysis, Abhijit, Vinay and you have shown that in the 5 year period
> from 1971-75 RDB had the largest number of hits. In that thread someone(possibly
> you) complained that RDB would have had more hits in the weekly/annual BGM lists
> if BGM allowed such a large representation from a single MD. Well, if BGM did
> not allow all RD songs to make it, can you really depend on BGM lists and count
> in a fair manner, the # of Lata/Asha songs that made it and assign points based
> on that?
I forgot to address this point in my previous post. Yes, I probably
said on some other thread (and still maintain it) that if BGM allowed
more than 2 songs from the same film in a weekly list, RDB would have
got a larger representation in annual shows. But you failed to notice
that I prepared my list of hit songs on weekly and annual BGM lists
*and* my own research material. And my research material does cover
all those songs that failed to make it to the annual BGM shows and
even (in rare cases) in weekly BGM shows, e.g. 'aao aao jaan-e-
jahaan' (Gomti Ke Kinare, 1972) did not figure in any weekly list but
it was a decent hit then (as I found out from other sources) and
became even more so over the years.
Let me again say that weekly shows were very fair and included every
song that was a hit - even if for just once or twice. And no song
from Garam Masala ever made it to weekly shows nor they were popular
elsewhere as I got to know from others.
Asif
kcp
Almost all figures were an approximation in my mind, but you have put
somewhat-close figures on paper ( though I do not have any proper
research papers )
I would like to see the non-film and bengali (film and non-film ) to
be included in the list - by the knowledgeable RMIMers. They also form
a majority of RD's output
Kcp
Ketan
Asif says...
>So your anonymous RMIMer friend is a proof/truth, and my research
>material based on more than 30 years worth of feedback and first-
>person accounts of two generations of music lovers and avid radio
>listeners, including myself, is a basic flaw? How come, Ketan? How
>is that fair?
>Anyway, I don't want to argue with you, and you don't have to agree
>with me either. The exercise was purely my own enjoyment, but I
>believe the numbers are close to facts and that's why I decided to
For a while I thought you got my point..till you didn't. First person accounts
based on memories rarely if ever count as facts when undertaking a study of the
kind you are doing. My RMIMer source(and btw, he is hardly anonymous) is just as
authentic (or not) as your relatives. If you accept one person's account based
on his/her memory, you are then obligated to accept everyone else's memories and
recollections and include them in your research/findings. If you choose not to
do so, that's fine, but then it cannot be called a fact-based study. It is a
study based on a small sample, akin to a poll and polls are not facts. There are
no facts in your analysis, excepting maybe the weekly/annual BGM lists and even
those you have admitted are tainted.
If you did it for your own enjoyment well and good, otherwise I don't see any
difference between Sami and you when it comes to cherry-picking songs and using
that data to draw conclusions. Whatever you want to call it it is not fact.
Ketan
Parry
> In article <df166187-b7df-4a70-b548-4e44a4fe6...@f63g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> that data to draw conclusions. Whatever you want to call it it is not fact.
>
> Ketan
You are absolutely right Ketan. Atleast 2 songs of Garam Masala..."Tum
Jaiso ko to paayal me baandhlu" and "Raja bana mera chaila kaisa" were
huge hits in Mumbai & moderately popular in Delhi & Calcutta.
Regarding those songs not appearing BGM, BGM was always acted
stepmotherly towards RD especially RD-Asha combo. One small proof to
this is Ravindra Jain has played signature tune of "Tum jaiso ko" in
film Maha Badmash(1977). Its popularity was still great even in 76-77.
Neetu Singh is owner of some Gambling Den or something like that, &
Vinod Khanna comes to raid that den, at that time in background
Ravindra jain has cleverly used this tune to potray the situation.
Actualy problem is that when one depends on only 1 or 2 cities, or
states to draw his conclusion, there is possiblity of going wrong
increases. Example is some Websites have mentioned Laila majnu as one
of the top grossers of entire 70s decade & top grosser of that year. I
think the information compiler must be from Punjab. Becasue film was
wash out in many towns & cities. It first sank in Bombay, & normally
that trend is followed by other cities. It was Huge Hit in Punjab &
maybe in Haryana & Delhi, but that wont make it Biggest grosser. I
remember reading Trade guide those days. It didnt featured even among
top 10 or 20 grossers of the year. These websites have made similar
mistakes about several films of yesteryears in their list. And people
of new genration continue to consider this is a genuine & full & final
information. Thats why actually I recently started thread "Top
Grossers....Down the memory lane"
Asif
> Regarding those songs not appearing BGM, BGM was always acted
> stepmotherly towards RD especially RD-Asha combo. One small proof to
1. o mere sonaa (Teesri Manzil, 1966)
2. o hasiinaa (Teesri Manzil, 1966)
3. aajaa aajaa mai.n huu.N (Teesri Manzil, 1966)
3. piyaa tuu ab to aajaa (Caravan, 1971)
4. dam maaro dam (Hare Rama Hare Krishna, 1972)
5. churaa liyaa hai (Yaadon Ki Baraat, 1973)
6. aapake karame me.n (Yaadon Ki Baraat, 1973)
These just 6 example songs are BIG proofs! What are you talking
about?
> increases. Example is some Websites have mentioned Laila majnu as one
> of the top grossers of entire 70s decade & top grosser of that year. I
> think the information compiler must be from Punjab. Becasue film was
> wash out in many towns & cities. It first sank in Bombay, & normally
> that trend is followed by other cities. It was Huge Hit in Punjab &
> maybe in Haryana & Delhi, but that wont make it Biggest grosser. I
Laila Majnu celebrated Silver Jubilee in Gwalior and Bhopal (I saw it
in the 22nd or 23rd week at the Regal in Gwalior in 1977). It
celebrated Golden Jubilee in Lucknow, UP. Wake up.