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Afzal A. Khan

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Nov 21, 2001, 11:15:38 PM11/21/01
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Occasionally, we have instances of songs recorded
for films (and available on records/cassettes) but,
eventually, they are omitted from the final product.
The best example, I suppose, is the "C.I.D." song
"Jaata kahaan hai diwaane". Two others that come
readily to mind are :

"Koi mere sapnoN men aaya, dheere dheere....."

This was from "New Delhi" (1956) and a mighty
fine song too. It was (or supposed to have been)
picturised on Jabeen but, reportedly, Vyjayanthimala
had it deleted as she didn't want Jabeen to share
that much of the limelight.

Another song belonging to this genre is from the
1959 comedy "Chalti Ka Naam GaaDi" :

"In haathoN se sub ki gaaDi chal rahi hai..
La haath la ustaad kyoN kaisi kahi hai, wah wah"

I can't quite recollect whether this last song has
been discussed in RMIM in recent times, although
the other two have been commented upon often.

Are there other songs of this type which failed to
find a place in the final print ? We can disregard
films that were not completed/released.


Afzal

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Nov 22, 2001, 10:31:20 AM11/22/01
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A song comes to mind from ARR's "Dil Se" in sukhvinder's voice

kar thaiyaa, thaiyaa, thaiyaa, thaiyaa
tainu ishq nachaaye kar thaiya thaiya

it was in cassette, not in film.

-Rawat


shekhar

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Nov 23, 2001, 12:39:02 AM11/23/01
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"Afzal A. Khan" <il_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3BFC7BEA...@yahoo.com>...

> Are there other songs of this type which failed to
> find a place in the final print ? We can disregard
> films that were not completed/released.

Some that come to mind:

- "Ae dil-e-aawara chal" - Dr. Vidya

- "Shaam gayi raat aayi" - Shri 420

- "O jaane wale mud ke zara" - Shri 420

- "Chaand madhyam" - Railway Platform

- "Bin Baadal Barsaat" title song (Lata version)

- "Maine kab tumse kaha tha" - Ram Aur Shyam

- "Main jo chali hindustan" - Jab Jab Phool Khile

- "Saath ho tum aur raat jawaan" - Kaanch Ki Gudiya

- "Koi aawaaz do" - Bandhan (1969 Rajesh Khanna-Mumtaz starrer)

- "Balma khuli hawaa mein" - Kashmir Ki Kali

- "Jis din se maine tujhko dekha hai" - Parwana

- "Main pyaar ka raahi hun" - Ek Musafir Ek Haseena

- "Raat Aur Din" title song (Mukesh version)

- "Tum ne hansee hi hansee main" - Ghar Basake Dekho

- "Is bhari duniya mein" - Bharosa

- "Rahen na rahen hum" - Mamta (Suman-Rafi version)

- "Manzil teri khoj mein" - Pinjre Ke Panchhi

- "Mr. John, Babba Khan" - Baarish

It's possible though, that I've been unlucky with video prints that
didn't have these. Could someone confirm if they have seen any of
these picturised?

Regards
Shekhar

ramaswamy

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Nov 23, 2001, 2:01:09 PM11/23/01
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I don't know about all the songs but i do think that the Mamta song
(Rafi-suman version ) is in video print .It is picturised on
Dharmendra and the younger Suchitra sen.

Ramesh . S

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Nov 23, 2001, 6:53:16 PM11/23/01
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Hi,
There is a song recorded for "Sholay" sung by Kishore kumar, manna dey
& bhupinder(?) "Chaand sa koi chehra.." which is not found in the
film.

regards
ramesh


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Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)

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Nov 23, 2001, 7:51:26 PM11/23/01
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Some that come to mind:

- "Ae dil-e-aawara chal" - Dr. Vidya

- "Shaam gayi raat aayi" - Shri 420

- "O jaane wale mud ke zara" - Shri 420

*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************



- "Chaand madhyam" - Railway Platform

- "Bin Baadal Barsaat" title song (Lata version)

- "Maine kab tumse kaha tha" - Ram Aur Shyam

*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************

- "Main jo chali hindustan" - Jab Jab Phool Khile

- "Saath ho tum aur raat jawaan" - Kaanch Ki Gudiya

*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************


- "Koi aawaaz do" - Bandhan (1969 Rajesh Khanna-Mumtaz starrer)

- "Balma khuli hawaa mein" - Kashmir Ki Kali

*********
*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************

- "Jis din se maine tujhko dekha hai" - Parwana

- "Main pyaar ka raahi hun" - Ek Musafir Ek Haseena

*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************


- "Raat Aur Din" title song (Mukesh version)

*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************

- "Tum ne hansee hi hansee main" - Ghar Basake Dekho

*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************


- "Is bhari duniya mein" - Bharosa

*****************
THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
*************

Xorys

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Nov 23, 2001, 9:27:48 PM11/23/01
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On 22 Nov 2001 21:39:02 -0800, she...@emirates.net.ae (shekhar)
wrote:

"O jaane wale mud ke zara" is included in the Yash Raj DVD version of
Shri 420. It is picturised as being sung by a sort of disembodied
"ghost" version of Nargis' character, whilst the character herself
stands silently by watching.

Xorys

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Nov 23, 2001, 9:27:49 PM11/23/01
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On Sat, 24 Nov 2001 08:51:26 +0800, "Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)"
<ASCH...@ntu.edu.sg> wrote:

> - "Maine kab tumse kaha tha" - Ram Aur Shyam
>*****************
>THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
>*************

It's not in the DVD copy I have.

BHAGWANTSAGOO

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>There is a song recorded for "Sholay" sung by Kishore kumar, manna dey
>& bhupinder(?) "Chaand sa koi chehra.." which is not found in the
>film.

This qawwali is found on the vinyl album and I remember being very disappointed
that it was omitted from the film.
However, afriend who was in India at the time SHOLAY was released swears that
the qawwali was in the film. I can only presume that Ramesh Sippy for reasons
best known to him, cut the song from the movie.
Bhagwant

Nita

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Nov 24, 2001, 3:40:47 PM11/24/01
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> - "Koi aawaaz do" - Bandhan (1969 Rajesh Khanna-Mumtaz starrer)
>
> - "Balma khuli hawaa mein" - Kashmir Ki Kali
> *********
> *****************
> THIS SONG IS VERY MUCH IN THE FILM
> *************


I agree with you about the other songs being there in their respective
films but I have never seen this song included in the videos of
Kashmir Ki Kali that I have watched. I don't know about DVDs. Does
anyone have a video of KKK with this song? The song has been shown on
Chitrahaar, et al numeorus times of course.

Nita
http://www.urdupoetry.com

Afzal A. Khan

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Nov 24, 2001, 5:27:48 PM11/24/01
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I saw the film "Ek Musafir Ek Haseena" on its
release in mid-1962. Since then I have seen it
on numerous occasions. I never saw the "title"
song "Main pyaar ka raahi hooN". Can our friends
confirm that it was there in some form ? Any
details ? (On whom the song was picturised, the
circumstances etc. ?)

I recall another song, a beautiful GHazal sung
by Asha Bhonsle :

Na woh hamaare huwe aur na hum rahe apne
MohabbatoN ka ajab karobaar hum ne kiya

This haunting melody was said to be from the film
"The Burning Train". I have seen the film but
it wasn't there. Is it from some other movie ?


Afzal

Ritu

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Nov 26, 2001, 11:04:58 AM11/26/01
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I don't know about a video but I saw this film on TV when I was in
India this time and this song definitely was there.

Ritu

SKalra902

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Nov 27, 2001, 12:43:26 PM11/27/01
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Bhagwant Sagoo wrote:

>Bhagwant

At times, there have been instances of certain songs included in Hindi films in
certain regions, while being excluded in others. Examples:

1. Jaauun kahaan bataa ai dil - Chhoti Bahen
This song was not in the film in the Delhi region when the movie was released
in April 1959. However, in the Bombay region, it was included.

2. Badii duur se aayii huun main teraa dil - Chhoti Bahen (again)
Ditto as in the previous song.

However, both songs were later included in the re-run versions released even in
Delhi.

3. The CID song, "jaataa kahaan hai diwaane.." has never been in any version
of the film that I have seen - not even in the excellent quality DVD (gifted
courtesy of a prominent RMIMer) recently released. However, back in October
1956, a Bombayite friend of mine in college told me that he had seen the film
during the autumn break in Bombay and that this song was there in the film.
There is no way to confirm it now, except if someone else who saw it in the
Bombay region in those days coming forward.

Over the past few months, I had compiled a list of over 30 songs, which fit
this category, upon being 'inspired' by Ashok. And I am still working on
expanding that list.

4. The Sholay qawwali was not in the film when I saw it in 1975, the late
night show on the day of its release in Delhi. And it has not been there in
the DVD even. So if it was there in the Bombay region, here is another example
of "regional" exclusions.

And besides 'regional' exclusions, there are instances of "exhibitor" induced
'cuts' of songs from films, based upon the reaction of the audience - which
song sends the most people out for a 'cigarette/bidi' or some other "break".


SKalra902

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Nov 27, 2001, 1:02:22 PM11/27/01
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Dr. Shekhar wrote:

...snipped...

>
> - "Shaam gayi raat aayi" - Shri 420

This song was in the film on its initial release, but later removed.

>
> - "Chaand madhyam" - Railway Platform

Same as the Shri 420 song.


> - "Mr. John, Babba Khan" - Baarish

Ditto, as for Shri 420.


Happy listenings.

Satish Kalra

Narendra Joshi

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Nov 27, 2001, 6:45:01 PM11/27/01
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Hi.
How about following song from Kashmir Ki Kali ?
"Phir thes lagi dil ko, phir yaad ne tadapaya".

I don't think this song made it to the final print.

Another such instances are :
1. "Sapane me sajan se do baaten, ek yaad rahi ek bhool gaye".
I have seen Gateway of India (movie) twice. Never saw this song.

2. "tere liye jeevan jeena, tere liye marna" from Shaan

Couple of interesting instances:
1. "Chocolate lime juice" was there in the "Liberty" version of HAHK;
but was deleted from a non-Liberty version.

2. One song was added to "Tejaab"'s final print a few weeks after
release. I have seen both versions.

- Narendra

Abhay Jain

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Nov 27, 2001, 11:44:43 PM11/27/01
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Famous Bhangra "Main Koi Jhoot Boliyan" was in the film
"Jagte Raho" when I saw in India. The Video casssettes I rented in US
do not have this song anymore.

Abhay Jain

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surjit singh

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I saw sholay eight times in Minerva Bombay during a period of about 24
months. They never had the qavvaalii.

Why did I see Sholay 8 times? Whenever relatives or friends visited
from Panjab, they insisted it seeing it in THE theater with fancy
sound effects etc. Being a gracious host etc.

Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.

vsr...@mailandnews.com

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Narendra Joshi wrote:
>
> 2. One song was added to "Tejaab"'s final print a few weeks after
> release. I have seen both versions.
>

Amitabh ko bulaao to jaane
sridevi ko nachaao to maane

> - Narendra

-Rawat


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surjit singh wrote:
>
>
> Why did I see Sholay 8 times? Whenever relatives or friends visited
> from Panjab, they insisted it seeing it in THE theater with fancy
> sound effects etc. Being a gracious host etc.

Wasn't it released in the Punjab? in 24 months after release in Bombay.

>
> Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
>

-Rawat


Sudhir

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Nov 28, 2001, 10:50:02 AM11/28/01
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CHHOTi BAHEN / Jaun Kahan Bata Ae Dil
=====================================


I remember some very interesting events about exclusion of this song:

Jaun Kahan Bata Ae Dil / Chhoti Bahen


The song had fairly good radio play, prior to release of the film
(Akashwani, i.e: All India Radio had not yet started its policy
of not playing songs of movies which were not yet released)

When the film opened at Chitra Cinema, Amritsar, Punjab on
Friday at 3:30 P.M., the exhibitor was not aware of exclusion
of this song. The audience however didn't take it lightly.
They tore-up a large number of seats with knives. The cinema
owners found the infected damage during the 2nd show. Fearing
more damage, they suspended the 3rd show and also the screening
of the film, until a solution could be found.

The producer (Prasad Productions) rushed in the song seqence, which
was then spliced-into the print/s and regular screeing started
after 7 or 10 days.

The song was deleted by Mr. L.V. Prasad, the director and also
the producer, on the assumption that people won't like to see
Rehman singing this song. He had already butchered the song by mixing
it with irritating dialogues by Shyama. (My recommendation is
to hear EP / 78 rpm version, which is available on many of
Compilations LPs, Tapes and CDs of Mukesh


MUGHAL-E-AZAM / TWO SONGS
=========================

At the initial relaese of this film, two songs were edited out,
which were:

Ae Ishq Yeh Sab Duniya Wale / Lata and

Hamen Kash Tum Se Mohabbat Na Hoti / Lata


They were also excluded from the LP / Film (because there was no
space). They were however included in the 3 LP set of Story +
Dialogues, which was released later.


About 6 months after the release of the film, when the film was
close to being moved to 2nd tier theaters, Mr. Asif used a very
interesting trick to revive the film. Two B & W song sequences were
replaced with sequences shot in color.

The first was: Teri Mehfil Mein Kismat Aazma Kar (qawwali) and
the second one (I am not 100% sure) was: Khuda Nighehban To Tumara
Plus all the scences until the end of the film.

It is possible that for the 2nd song: Khuda Nighhban Ho Tumhara,
when switching to Color, the songs audio source might have been
changed from a version similar to one on the LP to another
version, which has two additional prelude lines (Woh Aayi
Subah Ke Parde Se .....)


Some un-authorized Video Tapes and DVDs still have the 1st song
and in few cases also the 2nd song in B & W.


They two songs (mentioned in the beginning) where added about 9 months
after the release of the film. Big posters were put-up all over the
town, proclaiming: 'AB DO NAIYE GAANON KE SAATH'. I saw all these
three versions in theater + few more times later on.

TAXI DIVER / CHAHE KOHI KHUSH HO (Partial Editing)
=================================================


When this film was released in 1954, Bomaby State (it had not
yet been split in to: Maharashtra and Gujrat) was dry.

The State Censors didn't like the lyrics of 1st line of 1st para:

Pee Ke Dhandali Karoon To Mujh Ko Jail Bhejh Do
Soongne Mein Kya Hai Yeh Jawab Thanedar De


and ordered it to be cut. However, the editor had to encounter
another problem, that is to keep the continuity. So, he deleted
the 2nd line instead of the 1st. If you see the DVD made by EROS,
you may not notice this cut, which was picturized on Johny Walker
pulling the car.

This cut was not made in other regions (I saw it in Bomaby, Delhi and
also in Amritsar - three different distribution regions + recently
on DVD)

CHADHVIN KA CHAND - 1 or 2 Songs Replaced with Color Prints
=============================================================


When the film was first released, the title song: Chaudhvin Ka
Chand Ho was in B & W. This song + probably another song
(not sure which one it was), were re-shot in color (the film was
already a super hit) and were spliced into existing prints.

However, I would appreciate confirmation from other members,
who may remember more details about this film.


SUDHIR


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SKalra902

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Nov 28, 2001, 12:03:50 PM11/28/01
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Rawat wrote:

Seems you did not interpret correctly Dr. Surjit Singh's narrative. The
emphasis is on seeing the film in "THE theater with fancy sound effects, etc."

Also, IIRC, Minerva was the theater in which the film ran continuously for 3+
(?) years from the very beginning, eclipsing the record of Kismet at the Ganesh
(?) talkies in Calcutta in the 40's.

The probable reason for the Sholay qawwali being left out of the film is the
length of the film.

Film producers/directors/editors are known for shortening the songs, omitting a
stanza or two/cutting down on the length of the musical interludes, to achieve
the objective of bringing the film to less than 3 hours long.
Happy listenings.

Satish Kalra

surjit singh

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> surjit singh wrote:
> >
> >
> > Why did I see Sholay 8 times? Whenever relatives or friends visited
> > from Panjab, they insisted it seeing it in THE theater with fancy
> > sound effects etc. Being a gracious host etc.
>
> Wasn't it released in the Punjab? in 24 months after release in Bombay.


I repeat. Because of the fancy sound effects. They had heard about
those in Panjab but not experienced.

surjit singh

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> Rawat wrote:
>
> >surjit singh wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> Why did I see Sholay 8 times? Whenever relatives or friends visited
> >> from Panjab, they insisted it seeing it in THE theater with fancy
> >> sound effects etc. Being a gracious host etc.
> >
> >Wasn't it released in the Punjab? in 24 months after release in Bombay.
> >
> >>
> >> Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
> >>
> >
> >-Rawat
>
> Seems you did not interpret correctly Dr. Surjit Singh's narrative. The
> emphasis is on seeing the film in "THE theater with fancy sound effects, etc."
>
> Also, IIRC, Minerva was the theater in which the film ran continuously for 3+
> (?) years from the very beginning, eclipsing the record of Kismet at the Ganesh
> (?) talkies in Calcutta in the 40's.

Kismet 1943 Chitra Calcutta 196 weeks in regular shows
Sholay 1975 Minerva Bombay 269 weeks (151 in regular and 118 matinee only)

Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.


>

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As you have seen it 8 times spread across 2 years, would you like to
share about what scenes/ songs you found added/ removed in those
screenings.

I am sure that Jaya's bachpan and her holi scene were added later on.

But it would remain a point of rare consensus that Sholay had the worst
ever music ever given by RDB. Some say that it is especially made like
that to suit the lowly characters (tonga-driver, jailbreakers, rowdies,
dacoits), but I could never digest that excuse for giving poor cheap
music.

-Rawat


Hemant

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There were a few songs in the cassette of Dil hai ki manta nahin (T
Series) that were not in the film. Apart from this, some other
forgettable films by T Series during the same time capitalized by
making songs and releasing the cassettes and videos. The songs never
appeared in the films... and in some case, the films never made it to
cinema halls.

Hemant.

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SKalra902

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Rawat wrote:

>As you have seen it 8 times spread across 2 years, would you like to
>share about what scenes/ songs you found added/ removed in those
>screenings.
>
>I am sure that Jaya's bachpan and her holi scene were added later on.

There have been no scenes showing Jaya's bachpan anytime. And the holi scenes
were in the film from the very beginning (I mean the first release). The
dailogue by Satyne Kappoo, just before the 'holi' flashback, takes a poignant
meaning after it is over.

Now what made you "sure" that this was added on later, if I may ask?

>
>But it would remain a point of rare consensus that Sholay had the worst
>ever music ever given by RDB. Some say that it is especially made like
>that to suit the lowly characters (tonga-driver, jailbreakers, rowdies,
>dacoits), but I could never digest that excuse for giving poor cheap
>music.
>
>-Rawat

If you go back in the history of film music, every year has had good, better
and even better music, never 'best'. Sameway, you may have bad, worse and even
worse music, but never worst music, even for a compsoer's career. All it means
is that a composer gave better music in other films compared to a particular
one.

And pray tell me, why do we insist on people who make their living in the
occupations of being a tonga-driver or the like to be considered as lowly
characters.


Happy listenings.

Satish Kalra

Ritu

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> Occasionally, we have instances of songs recorded
> for films (and available on records/cassettes) but,
> eventually, they are omitted from the final product.
> The best example, I suppose, is the "C.I.D." song
> "Jaata kahaan hai diwaane". Two others that come
> readily to mind are :
>
> "Koi mere sapnoN men aaya, dheere dheere....."
>
> This was from "New Delhi" (1956) and a mighty
> fine song too. It was (or supposed to have been)
> picturised on Jabeen but, reportedly, Vyjayanthimala
> had it deleted as she didn't want Jabeen to share
> that much of the limelight.
>
> Another song belonging to this genre is from the
> 1959 comedy "Chalti Ka Naam GaaDi" :
>
> "In haathoN se sub ki gaaDi chal rahi hai..
> La haath la ustaad kyoN kaisi kahi hai, wah wah"
>
> I can't quite recollect whether this last song has
> been discussed in RMIM in recent times, although
> the other two have been commented upon often.
>
> Are there other songs of this type which failed to
> find a place in the final print ? We can disregard
> films that were not completed/released.
>
>
> Afzal


While on this topic, I had a question about a SDB-Lata song mentioned
in the other thread on Anilda and SDB "Saajan bin neend na aaye" I've
seen Munimji a couple of time but never saw this song. Does it appear
at all in the film? It also does not appear in the cassette
compilation of Munimji released by HMV. Is this song also missing from
the film ?

Ritu

Vijay Kumar K

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"Afzal A. Khan" <il_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<3BFC7BEA...@yahoo.com>...
> Occasionally, we have instances of songs recorded
> for films (and available on records/cassettes) but,
> eventually, they are omitted from the final product.
> The best example, I suppose, is the "C.I.D." song
> "Jaata kahaan hai diwaane". Two others that come
> readily to mind are :
>
> "Koi mere sapnoN men aaya, dheere dheere....."
>
> This was from "New Delhi" (1956) and a mighty
> fine song too. It was (or supposed to have been)
> picturised on Jabeen but, reportedly, Vyjayanthimala
> had it deleted as she didn't want Jabeen to share
> that much of the limelight.
>
> Another song belonging to this genre is from the
> 1959 comedy "Chalti Ka Naam GaaDi" :
>
> "In haathoN se sub ki gaaDi chal rahi hai..
> La haath la ustaad kyoN kaisi kahi hai, wah wah"
>
> Are there other songs of this type which failed to
> find a place in the final print ? We can disregard
> films that were not completed/released.
>
>
Two examples from Hridaynath-Gulzar collaborations.
One radio show I heard featured Asha & Gulzar speaking on it.. sprinkled with
songs and other trivia. Gulzar was saying something about the play on words
juuThe and jhuuTe, obviously very pleased with the effect he had achieved in the
lyrics department. Just before they played this song, Asha said ..I had put it
a lot of hard work on this song, and it turned out very well, but Gulzar
never gave the song a chance in the film... Gulzar, obviously squriming under
the direct assault said something lame like it did not fit into the scheme of
things in the film... the song : juuThe nainaa bole saa.Nchii batiyaa.N (Lekin)
Satyasheel Deshpande is the other voice featured in the song.

Another, more famous example is the song that Lata sought to highlight on the
occasion of the first ever broadcast of TimesFM. The very first show had Lata
presenting an hour of her songs and she wound up the show with a song which she
said, had regretfully been left out of the film. Cruel justice in that a tandem
version by our talented Kumar Sanu made it to the film... the song : ik
hasiin nigaah kaa dil pe saayaa hai (Maya Memsahab)

Vijay

SKalra902

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Vijaykumar K. wrote:

...snipped...

>
>Another, more famous example is the song that Lata sought to highlight on the
>occasion of the first ever broadcast of TimesFM. The very first show had Lata
>presenting an hour of her songs and she wound up the show with a song which
>she
>said, had regretfully been left out of the film. Cruel justice in that a
>tandem
>version by our talented Kumar Sanu made it to the film... the song : ik
>hasiin nigaah kaa dil pe saayaa hai (Maya Memsahab)
>

The way Sanu sings it, it is more like "ik HASIN nigaah ka dil pe saayaa
hai..". I still wonder how the lyricist Gulzar, MD Hridayanath Mangeshkar and
the producers (that would include Lata herself) let it pass.


Happy listenings.

Satish Kalra

vsr...@mailandnews.com

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SKalra902 wrote:
>
> Rawat wrote:
>
> >As you have seen it 8 times spread across 2 years, would you like to
> >share about what scenes/ songs you found added/ removed in those
> >screenings.
> >
> >I am sure that Jaya's bachpan and her holi scene were added later on.
>
> There have been no scenes showing Jaya's bachpan anytime. And the holi scenes
> were in the film from the very beginning (I mean the first release). The
> dailogue by Satyne Kappoo, just before the 'holi' flashback, takes a poignant
> meaning after it is over.
>
> Now what made you "sure" that this was added on later, if I may ask?

The holi chorus song scene after which dacoit gang attacks was always in
the film. I think you are mentioning that.

There was another holi scene in which jaya, probably before marriage,
indulges in colours. Some male person goes to jaya's house and talks to
some neighour or relative. That person recalls the days of jaya's
bachpan. I am mentioning about this scene which was not at the first
release of the film in my city but was added at some places later on. It
seems you have never seen it.

> >But it would remain a point of rare consensus that Sholay had the worst
> >ever music ever given by RDB. Some say that it is especially made like
> >that to suit the lowly characters (tonga-driver, jailbreakers, rowdies,
> >dacoits), but I could never digest that excuse for giving poor cheap
> >music.
> >
> >-Rawat
>
> If you go back in the history of film music, every year has had good, better
> and even better music, never 'best'. Sameway, you may have bad, worse and even
> worse music, but never worst music, even for a compsoer's career. All it means
> is that a composer gave better music in other films compared to a particular
> one.
>
> And pray tell me, why do we insist on people who make their living in the
> occupations of being a tonga-driver or the like to be considered as lowly
> characters.

I forgot to mention in words that I did not agree with that
categorisation. Though my denial to accept that as a valid reason
implied that.

even after disagreeing with that, I understand that there logic was that
these people are mostly less educated, mostly in the survival mode, have
elementary needs as top priority, thus they are taken as having less
refined knowledge of poetry & music. Thus cheap lyrics/ music is
reserved for them.

> Happy listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra

-Rawat


Balaji A.S. Murthy

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In article <3C07A84F...@MailAndNews.com>, vsr...@MailAndNews.com says...

>
>SKalra902 wrote:
>>
>> >As you have seen it 8 times spread across 2 years, would you like to
>> >share about what scenes/ songs you found added/ removed in those
>> >screenings.
>> >
>> >I am sure that Jaya's bachpan and her holi scene were added later on.
>>
>> There have been no scenes showing Jaya's bachpan anytime. And the holi scenes
>> were in the film from the very beginning (I mean the first release). The
>> dailogue by Satyne Kappoo, just before the 'holi' flashback, takes a poignant
>> meaning after it is over.
>>
>> Now what made you "sure" that this was added on later, if I may ask?
>
>The holi chorus song scene after which dacoit gang attacks was always in
>the film. I think you are mentioning that.
>
>There was another holi scene in which jaya, probably before marriage,
>indulges in colours. Some male person goes to jaya's house and talks to
>some neighour or relative. That person recalls the days of jaya's
>bachpan. I am mentioning about this scene which was not at the first
>release of the film in my city but was added at some places later on. It
>seems you have never seen it.


It appears that you have not read the response carefully.

There are *no* scenes of Jaya's *bachpan*. However, there is a fairly long
sequence of Jaya just before her marriage revelling in Holi colors and being
an extreme extrovert. The male person you mention is Satyen Kappu who narrates
this episode to Amitabh. The flashback ends with Jaya proclaiming about how
bland the world would be if there wasn't any color, and the scene cuts to
"present" with a widowed Jaya in white.

- Balaji

Ket...@att.net

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In article <20011130153524...@mb-cp.aol.com>, skal...@aol.com
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>The way Sanu sings it, it is more like "ik HASIN nigaah ka dil pe saayaa
>hai..". I still wonder how the lyricist Gulzar, MD Hridayanath Mangeshkar and
>the producers (that would include Lata herself) let it pass.

IIRC, Lata/HM were not the producers were they? Wasn't this a Ketan Mehta movie?


Ketan


>Satish Kalra

SKalra902

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Absolutely right, Ketan. My mistake. I confused the film with Lekin. :(


Happy listenings.

Satish Kalra

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