Pakeeza ghazal: A one-day quizlet!
Abhay Phadnis
dil ki jaa.N se uThataa hai", used as part of the background score in
'Pakeeza'. The information is from (what I consider) an unimpeachable
source. Before I share the identity of the singer, I thought it would be fun
to leave it hanging on RMIM for a day to let people take a shot at it.
Anyone who knows/can guess the identity of the singer, please send your
information/guess to me at rjg...@rediffmail.com. The correct answer - and
the names of those who got it! - will be posted on RMIM tomorrow (Wednesday
27 March), along with the details of the source.
PLEASE do NOT post your answers/guesses on the newsgroup! Please send an
email to the ID mentioned above.
Till tomorrow, then!
Warm regards,
Abhay
Abhay Phadnis
jaa.N se uThataa hai", used as part of the background score in "Pakeeza".
The answer: Naseem Chopra.
The source: Naushad Ali, the music director for the background score of the
film. His autobiography (I have the Marathi translation edited by Shashikant
Kinikar - a 1991 publication) has a detailed list of songs at the end which
clearly identifies her as the singer of this ghazal. (The song is listed
under the "recorded but not used" category, which is wrong: it is not in the
released music of the film, but it IS there in the film as part of the
background score.) In the chapter dealing with the film, Naushad also
mentions her in passing as being among the singers he used for songs used in
the background score.
Naseem Chopra's rendition of the ghazal in the film is very good indeed.
Does anyone know of any other recordings by her, or anything about her? I
ran a RMIM archives search which produced one result: an article ("Fame,
fortune, and fade-out", written by Nalin Shah) posted on RMIM in 1999 by
Kolachala Kalyan, which contained the following line: "Like many other
artistes, celebrated ghazal singer Naseem Bano Chopra too would have died
unsung, passing her days as a destitute on the streets of Mumbai had she not
been discovered." Nothing more about her in the rest of the article.
Incidentally, the following songs are also listed as having been composed by
Naushad for "Pakeeza" but not used in the film:
- ban ban bole koyaliyaa (Parveen Sultana)
- morii baalii umariyaa me.n daaG lagaay (Rajkumari)
- ab kii na jaa_o bides (Rajkumari)
Anyone remember whether these are heard in the film? They - along with the
ghazal mentioned above - are not included in the "Rang Birang" LP either,
which had songs recorded for - but not used in - "Pakeeza": all the songs
included there seem to have been composed by Ghulam Mohammed. (Three other
songs composed by Naushad were part of the 'official' LP of the film -
'moraa saajan' by Vani Jairam, 'nazariyaa kii maarii' by Rajkumari, and
'kaun galii gayo shyaam' by Parveen Sultana). Naushad does talk of a lot of
songs composed by GM being deleted from the film. He also says a significant
chunk of "chalo diladaar chalo" was deleted. I wonder if his reference is to
the Lata solo version that featured on "Rang Birang", but then that could
hardly be described as a chunk of the duet: it is a different song
altogether.
(About the quiz: only two responses received: Irfan Moinuddin wrote to say
it was Mehdi Hassan (the version in question is by a woman, Irfan!), and U V
Ravindra wrote to plead with me not to say it was Runa Laila after all! :-))
Warm regards,
Abhay
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Ritu
> The question: The identity of the singer of the ghazal, "dekh to dil ki
> jaa.N se uThataa hai", used as part of the background score in "Pakeeza".
>
> The answer: Naseem Chopra.
Thanks for the very informative write-up Abhay. I had a couple of
questions I was hoping you could answer
1. Is this 'Rang Birang' complilation still available?
2. Are there any such other compilations available for other films?
3. Could you possibly point out which scene in Pakeezah does this
ghazal appear. I had noticed Nazariya ki maari in the background but
don't recall this ghazal.
Thanks
Ritu
Cricfan
> The question: The identity of the singer of the ghazal, "dekh to dil ki
> jaa.N se uThataa hai", used as part of the background score in "Pakeeza".
> >
> it was Mehdi Hassan (the version in question is by a woman, Irfan!), and U V
> Ravindra wrote to plead with me not to say it was Runa Laila after all! :-))
>
> Warm regards,
> Abhay
>
I've got Mehdi Hassan's version of the song (obviously
not from Pakeezah). Hence, the confusion
is understandable. :-)
Speaking of which, here's a quiz question.
1. Which Indian film actually *begins* with Mehdi Hassan's
version of "dekh to dil ki jaa.N se uThataa hai"? (Hint:
Think of a pun on "Yeh Dhuaaon sa kahaan se uThataa hai" and imagine
Mehdi Hassan's 33 1/3 LP being played)
Cheers
Arun
Abhay Phadnis
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1. "Rang Birang" is - AFAIK - not available separately anymore, but the
'Pakeezah' CD issued in the 'Classic Films' series contains the songs from
both the 'official' LP and 'Rang Birang'. (What they HAVE left out,
unfortunately, is the short alaap and taraana by Lata that was the first
track on the LP.) Definitely worth picking up.
2. Not that I know of, except that the "Dialogues and Songs" LP set issued
for 'Mughal-e-azam' contained one Lata song that (I think) was not used in
the film - "hame.n kaash tum se muhabbat na hotii".
3. IIRC, the ghazal appears in the scene where Meena Kumari goes to see her
friend (cousin?) to tell her about the "aap ke paa.Nv dekhe...." note.
Warm regards,
Abhay
ajit
> for 'Mughal-e-azam' contained one Lata song that (I think) was not used in
> the film - "hame.n kaash tum se muhabbat na hotii".
>
No the song is very much there in the film
surjit singh
No. Not in my copy.
Got it from Atlantic Video, Dallas, during 1987-1998.
However, I saw the video on "abhii to mai.n javaan huu.N" (TVASIA)
recently and taped it.
Surjit etc., a diehard etc.
ajit
I recently watched the movie again (or th 10th time) ...this time on
Star Plus...and the song was very much there...and I like this the
best..another one that was there in the film that i hadnt heard before
is something like "paaya ke dukhon ka ilm nahin hai..." (cant remember
it exactly)
thanks,
ajit
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Ashok
>
>Speaking of which, here's a quiz question.
>
>1. Which Indian film actually *begins* with Mehdi Hassan's
>version of "dekh to dil ki jaa.N se uThataa hai"? (Hint:
>Think of a pun on "Yeh Dhuaaon sa kahaan se uThataa hai" and imagine
>Mehdi Hassan's 33 1/3 LP being played)
>
>Cheers
>Arun
Hey Arun,
I tried to send you my guessponse to your email address:
asi...@My-deja.com
It bounced back after more than 24 hours saying
Router: Failed to connect to SMTP host MY-DEJA.COM because : Server not
responding
Did you want our guesses right here?
Ashok
Cricfan
Yes, please. That email id stopped working since google
took over. But I still use it since the spams bounce too :-)
Cheers
Arun
Ashok
>
>ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote in message news:<a80sl...@enews3.newsguy.com>...
>> In article <9a0087b.02032...@posting.google.com>, asi...@My-deja.comà says...
>> >
>> >Speaking of which, here's a quiz question.
>> >
>> >1. Which Indian film actually *begins* with Mehdi Hassan's
>> >version of "dekh to dil ki jaa.N se uThataa hai"? (Hint:
>> >Think of a pun on "Yeh Dhuaaon sa kahaan se uThataa hai" and imagine
>> >Mehdi Hassan's 33 1/3 LP being played)
>> >
>> >Cheers
>> >Arun
>>
>> Hey Arun,
>>
>> I tried to send you my guessponse to your email address:
>>
>> asi...@My-deja.com
>>
>>
>> It bounced back after more than 24 hours saying
>>
>> Router: Failed to connect to SMTP host MY-DEJA.COM because : Server not
>> responding
>>
>>
>> Did you want our guesses right here?
>>
>>
>> Ashok
>
>
>Yes, please.
My guess: Chashme Baddoor.
That email id stopped working since google
>took over. But I still use it since the spams bounce too :-)
>
>Cheers
>Arun
You want neither the bathwater nor the baby, only the bucket!
Ashok
Arunabha S Roy
> > >
> > >Speaking of which, here's a quiz question.
> > >
> > >1. Which Indian film actually *begins* with Mehdi Hassan's
> > >version of "dekh to dil ki jaa.N se uThataa hai"? (Hint:
> > >Think of a pun on "Yeh Dhuaaon sa kahaan se uThataa hai" and imagine
> > >Mehdi Hassan's 33 1/3 LP being played)
I have a strong feeling of deja vu i.e. of having read the very same
question in connection w/ Pakeeza's unreleased tracks the last time
the thread made the rounds on rmim. The film is of course Sai
Paranjape's "Chashm-e-Baddoor".
On the subject of Mehdi Hassan's ghazals, is his rendition of "dekh
to..." contemporary to Chashm-e-Baddoor ? I would also like to know
when he originally recorded "Aaye kuchh abr kuchh sharaab aaye" and
"Ranjish his sahii". Are those early recordings available ?
- Arunabha
Cricfan
>
> I have a strong feeling of deja vu i.e. of having read the very same
> question in connection w/ Pakeeza's unreleased tracks the last time
> the thread made the rounds on rmim. The film is of course Sai
> Paranjape's "Chashm-e-Baddoor".
Yes, that is correct. Ashok - you got it too.
>
> On the subject of Mehdi Hassan's ghazals, is his rendition of "dekh
> to..." contemporary to Chashm-e-Baddoor ? I would also like to know
> when he originally recorded "Aaye kuchh abr kuchh sharaab aaye" and
> "Ranjish his sahii". Are those early recordings available ?
>
> - Arunabha
I suspect that it must be older. You must've heard the cassette
titled "Great ghazals from Pakistan". That has a "young sounding"
Mehdi Hassan singing "Aaye kuchh abr kuch sharaab aaye."
This excerpt is from Anupama Chopra's "Sholay, the making of a
classic"
The stuff in brackets are my explanations
---
The Ashoka gang [Sholay stars and unit folks who stayed at the Ashoka
hotel in Bangalore while filming in Ramnagram] gathered in the hotel's
Kheda bar or in Ramesh's suite [Ramesh Sippy]. But Javed's [Akhtar]
routine was a bit different. The writer discovered Mehdi Hassan in
Bangalore. Amitabh had carried his favorite music with him on
location, and introduced to the delights of Hassan's honeyed voice.
Whenever Javed was in Bangalore, he would head for Amitabh's room
after packup to listen to Ranjish hi sahii".
--------
That was in 1974.
Cheers
Arun