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Umrao Jaan: folk song. Need meaning of " Lakhiyan"

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Ek Tanhaa

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Jul 17, 2004, 8:57:53 AM7/17/04
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dosto,

Umrao Jaan movie main ek folk song hai

"kaahe ko byaahe bides, are lakhiyan baabul mohe
kaahe ko byaahe bides "

What does "Lakhiyan" mean? I grew up in UP
but dont remember ever hearing this word.

Tanhaa

V S Rawat

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Jul 17, 2004, 10:36:43 AM7/17/04
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I have heard lakhiyaa in the sense of dekhanaa (to see).
Thinking about it now, I could not understand what could be
the origin of this word if this meaning is related.

--
Rawat


V Kodak

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Jul 17, 2004, 8:03:56 PM7/17/04
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"Lakhat" is one of the about a dozen words Tulsi Das used in Ram Charit
Manas for 'dekhna'.

I think its origin must be Sanskrit Laksh (aim or object). Tulsi Das also
used 'lakhat" in the sense of 'samajh'; though still not sure if 'lakhiyan'
is related.

Ajay


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Ek Tanhaa

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Lakhiya could mean "dekh bhaal karne wala. laaj rakhne wala??
does sound right But Im just guessing.

Tanhaa

Yogesh Sethi

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Jul 17, 2004, 10:24:21 PM7/17/04
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lakhanaa = to see, to understand
lakhiyaa = an onlooker
lakhiyaa.N = plural of lakhiyaa


Regards,

Yogesh Sethi

Satish Kalra

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Jul 17, 2004, 11:32:00 PM7/17/04
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In the song in question, the word used is not "lakhiyaan", rather just
"lakhi". The meaning of what the girl is saying is, "mere babul ko 'dekho',
kaahe ko bides mein byaahii"......

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Happy Listenings.

Satish Kalra


Satish Kalra

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Jul 17, 2004, 11:33:27 PM7/17/04
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In the song in question, the word used is not "lakhiyaan", rather just

Satish Kalra

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Jul 17, 2004, 11:34:28 PM7/17/04
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Sorry fopr the duplicate post.

Ritu

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Jul 18, 2004, 3:31:23 PM7/18/04
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> "Yogesh Sethi" <yls...@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:b08be108.04071...@posting.google.com...
> > Tanh...@yahoo.com (Ek Tanhaa) wrote in message
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> > > dosto,
> > >
> > > Umrao Jaan movie main ek folk song hai
> > >
> > > "kaahe ko byaahe bides, are lakhiyan baabul mohe
> > > kaahe ko byaahe bides "
> > >
> > > What does "Lakhiyan" mean? I grew up in UP
> > > but dont remember ever hearing this word.

> > lakhanaa = to see, to understand


> > lakhiyaa = an onlooker
> > lakhiyaa.N = plural of lakhiyaa
> >

> In the song in question, the word used is not "lakhiyaan", rather just


> "lakhi". The meaning of what the girl is saying is, "mere babul ko 'dekho',
> kaahe ko bides mein byaahii"......

In one of the older versions of this song, most probably the Mukesh
version the word used is 'Lakhi'. From what I understand (from this
discussion) is that the song refers to the father as a 'lakhi' or
'lakhiya' to suggest that he is as unconcerned as an onlooker at her
plight of having to leave all that is familiar to her and go off to an
unknown land. In one of the stanzas later there is another reference
that leads to this perception in the portion 'Bhaiya to diyo babul,
mehla do mehla humko diyo pardes'.

There was another stanza of this song that I have heard sung during
weddings etc. wonder if it was used in any of the versions..

hum to babul tore khoote ki gaiyya
jihu bandhe bandh jaaye

Something like that...

While searching on Amir Khusro I found this very nice site on him.
http://www.alif-india.com

Regards
Ritu

P.S To reflect.. why would anyone liken themselves to a cow!

Yogesh Sethi

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Jul 18, 2004, 11:19:19 PM7/18/04
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"Satish Kalra" <Satish...@comcast.net> wrote:
> "Yogesh Sethi" <yls...@netscape.net> wrote:

> > Tanh...@yahoo.com (Ek Tanhaa) wrote:
> > > dosto,
> > >
> > > Umrao Jaan movie main ek folk song hai
> > >
> > > "kaahe ko byaahe bides, are lakhiyan baabul mohe
> > > kaahe ko byaahe bides "
> > >
> > > What does "Lakhiyan" mean? I grew up in UP
> > > but dont remember ever hearing this word.
> > >
> > > Tanhaa
> >
> > lakhanaa = to see, to understand
> > lakhiyaa = an onlooker
> > lakhiyaa.N = plural of lakhiyaa
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Yogesh Sethi
>
> In the song in question, the word used is not "lakhiyaan", rather just
> "lakhi". The meaning of what the girl is saying is, "mere babul ko 'dekho',
> kaahe ko bides mein byaahii"......


I hear the line as: kaahe ko bihaaye bide, are lakhiyaa, baabul mohe …

Let us examine the different words being proposed:

lakhii = lakh-patii, very wealthy; immensely valuable.
lakhiyaa = gadabout ( as per Platts); an onlooker
bihaa = to abandon, to give up
bide = goodbye
bihaaye bide = bid farewell

The meaning of the line undergoes a subtle change depending upon
whether the word used in the song is ‘lakhii' or ‘lakhiyaa'.

In the first instance the question would have been posed directly:
O precious ‘baabul', why do you bid me farewell?

In the second instance the address under goes a subtle change: O
‘lakhiyaa' (tell me), why does my ‘baabul' abandon me by saying
goodbye?

I have not seen the movie and do not know the context in which the
composition was rendered, but listening to the song on a CD the word
‘lakhiyaa' appears to have been employed.

Regards,

Yogesh Sethi

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