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Afzal A. Khan

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Nov 30, 2003, 2:06:23 PM11/30/03
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I don't know any Punjabi at all. Yet I am fond of the
lilt and rhythm that typify Punjabi songs. Am looking
for the complete lyrics (and a translation too) of a
well-known traditional Punjabi song "Baajre da tikka.."
(Not sure if I got the last word right).

Afzal

Urzung Khan

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Nov 30, 2003, 3:55:26 PM11/30/03
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baajre daa siTTaa asaaN talii te maro.Diyaa
russiyaa jaaNdaa maahii asaaN galii vichoN mo.Diyaa

Duet by Surinder Kaur and Parkash Kaur.

Urzung Khan

Surjit Singh

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Nov 30, 2003, 4:10:20 PM11/30/03
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Urzung Khan wrote:

http://www.apnaorg.com/music/kaur/

>
> Urzung Khan

--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html

Rirfan6

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Nov 30, 2003, 4:34:01 PM11/30/03
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Lots of film songs have been based upon
Punjabi folk songs.
I can recall one song from a Pakistani
film based on this PK/SK song:
saiyyanji ko dhooNdney chali
phiruN mein gali gali jogan bunkey
- by Zubaida
Listen to the other song on Surjit ji's
pointer - sui ve sui - PK/SK, which
inspired OPN to compose - haey re haey ye merey hath mein tera hath -
Naya.Daur.

Regards,

Irfan

naniwadekar

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Nov 30, 2003, 5:41:45 PM11/30/03
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"Rirfan6" <rir...@aol.com> wrote -

>
> Listen to the other song on Surjit ji's
> pointer - sui ve sui - PK/SK, which inspired OPN
> to compose - haey re haey ye merey hath mein tera
> hath - Naya.Daur.
>

This song, which represents Punjabi folk's affinity with Raag
Sarang, is in Kashmir Kii Kali. Its clip is a part of sawf site.

- dn


Rirfan6

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Nov 30, 2003, 8:01:36 PM11/30/03
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Listen to the last song on Surjit ji's pointer - saD.ke saD.ke jaNdeay
mutiyarey ni - PK/SK.
OPN got inspired and composed -
reshami shalwar kurta jalika
roop saha nahiN jaey nakhrey wali ka-
Asha.

Regards,

Irfan

Afzal A. Khan

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Nov 30, 2003, 8:19:20 PM11/30/03
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Thanks to you, Dr. Singh and Irfan Saheb.

Can I trouble you for a rough translation too ?


Afzal

Pulkit

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Dec 1, 2003, 9:16:25 AM12/1/03
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rir...@aol.com (Rirfan6) wrote in message news:<20031130200136...@mb-m20.aol.com>...
............
Another OPN composition that falls in the same league in voice of
Geeta Dutt is "Ban Dharkan Kajrare Naina", it is based on Punjabi
number "Sue Ve Cheere Waleya Main Kainniyaan. "Baajre da sitta" has
also been sung by Mussarat Nazir.

Rirfan6

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Dec 1, 2003, 9:30:37 AM12/1/03
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Film Kabhi Kabhi - Khayyam
terey cheherey sey nazar nahiN hut.ti
got inspiration from PK/SK song -
meinooN gid.ey wich bhota na nachao
ey pind merey soreyaaN da.
Film Loafar - LK/PL
koi shehri baboo dil lehri baboo
got inspiration from PL/SK song -
kaley rung da paranda merey sajna ney
aanda
Film Naubahaar - Roshan
ae ri meinto prem divani mera dard na
got inspiration from tradational shaadi
song -
aaya laDriye ni tera sehreyaN wala
veyavan aaya.

Regards,

Irfan

Afzal A. Khan

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Dec 1, 2003, 12:13:45 PM12/1/03
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Rirfan6 wrote:


>
> Film Naubahaar - Roshan
> ae ri meinto prem divani mera dard na
> got inspiration from tradational shaadi
> song -
> aaya laDriye ni tera sehreyaN wala
> veyavan aaya.

> Irfan

I thought the Roshan evergreen song was based on
a traditional bandish or perhaps a Meera composiion,
rather than a shaadi song. The pathos in the words
and raag-based tune does not quite go with the
"masti" associated with a shaadi song. Just my
opinion.


Afzal

Afzal A. Khan

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Dec 1, 2003, 12:18:23 PM12/1/03
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While giving so many examples of film songs based on
Punjabi folk, I am surprised no one has mentioned so
far the OPN composition based on the original song
of this thread "Baajre da siTTa...". It is
"As-salaam 'Aalekum baboo, kaho kaisa haal hai,
As-salaam 'Aalekum", from "Kalpana" (1960).


Afzal

Sudhir

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Dec 1, 2003, 8:06:34 PM12/1/03
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For some Punjabi songs, (e.g. the song you have listed)

The first line had no relation to the 2nd line.


Bajre Da Sitta Aasi Tali Te Marodiya
Rusda Janda Mahiya, Ne Aasi Gali Ton ???


I removed the seeds from the Bajra's corn (a crop like maize) by
crushing it on my palm

My lover, who had walked away from me in an angry mood,
I made him turn around from the street-end

The paragraphs do make some sense.

Writing lyrics of Punjabi songs is a toughy, because some alphabets
don't have any equivalent in Hindi.

I have listened to this song 100s of time, but still cann't
remember all the lyrics of this and many other songs. My advise will be
to just listen and enjoy the rhythm and melody.


Sudhir

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Vish Krishnan

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Dec 1, 2003, 9:34:52 PM12/1/03
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"Afzal A. Khan" <m...@privacy.net> wrote in message

>

> While giving so many examples of film songs based on
> Punjabi folk, I am surprised no one has mentioned so
> far the OPN composition based on the original song
> of this thread "Baajre da siTTa...". It is
> "As-salaam 'Aalekum baboo, kaho kaisa haal hai,
> As-salaam 'Aalekum", from "Kalpana" (1960).

Impressive catch.

But why be surprised? OP has shifted the original bhairvai melody
("baajre da siTTa") a few notes down the x-axis, as it were. The
resultant tune is not instantly recognizable. He has also, it seems,
painstakingly avoided melodic phrases in the original song, phrases
that don't shift so elegantly to create the effect of a different
scale.

There is at least one other example of OP's not-so-obvious melodic
mapping, and I am thinking of SK/PK's "shokkaN mele di" vis-a-vis
"gora rang chunariyaa kaali" (HOWRAH BRIDGE) - takes a few seconds to
process that similarity.

A more direct, but still not immediately discernible map is the "suhe
ve cheere waaleya" variant from BASANT (what's that song - "aaj mere
sai.nyaa.n ki baaraat aayee hai"?). The creative changes there lie
mostly in the modified rhythm and pace, and not in the melody itself.

One does not automatically expect such cleverness from OP, but
something tells me there is more method to his madness than the facade
of banality is willing to betray.

cheers
vish

Afzal A. Khan

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Dec 2, 2003, 12:09:13 AM12/2/03
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A VERY impressive analysis.

As regards OPN's "cleverness", I suspect that some
contribution towards these subtle changes must have
have been from his lyricists (Shewan Rizvi etc.) who
had to write Urdu/Hindi words to fit the original
Punjabi tune. As Sudhir pointed out, one line of
the original song seems to have no connection with the
second line and so on. While this could be admissible
in folk, it won't have been acceptable in a (Hindi)
film. OPN's "adaptations" do show a certain cohesiveness
of the song/lyrics as a whole.

Despite the aggressive media blitz launched by the
film-maker and OPN himself, "Basant" was a colossal
failure. Usually OPN could rise above the inanity of
the story-line and lacklustre performances to come up
with a great music score (e.g. "Phagun"), but his "magic"
deserted him in this film. Still, the song you have
mentioned ("Aaj mere saiNyyaaN kee baaraat aayee hai")
has a certain pathos-laden lilt that is quite appealing.
I had seen (and long since forgotten) the film (1961 ?),
but probably Minoo Mumtaz did a slow dance on this
song.

Afzal

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