Mukesh/Manna Dey for RK
Renu Thamma
just listening to my 'Memories of Manna Dey' tape, and realized something.
A lot of you may have noticed this already, but anyways..
For all the furore that is made about how perfectly Mukesh suited Raj Kapoor,
isn't it suprising that two of Raj kapoor's all time hits [ classics too, but
that's in my opinion. :)] ...
'Yeh raat bheegi bheegi' from Chori Chori and
'Pyaar hua ikraar hua' from Shree 420
were both sung by Manna Dey and not Mukesh! Infact [please confirm someone] a
lot of other songs from Chori Chori were by Manna Dey too. Does anyone know the
reason behind this. With Mukesh sounding the way he did for RK,[i mean almost
perfectly suited, although he sounded better for a lot of non- RK songs IMO]
and a lot of the other songs in Shree 420 being Mukesh's, any reason why Manna
Dey got to sing 'pyaar hua ikraar hua'. any ideas peepuls?
Renu.
Ramesh Hariharan
I guess this has to do with there being two great singers whose forte were
different.
Mukesh's voice was resonant, calm and soothing .... sorta flowing with
the good emotional individual that RK played in his movies. There was a
problem though ... Mukesh couldn't sing freaky, more loud and
semiclassical numbers (I know there are exceptions) with the ease that
Manna delivered. This is evident in the the movie "DIL HI TO HAI" where
Mukesh coos "Tum mujko agar na chaho to koyi baat nahin ... "
while Manna 'slam-dunks' "Laga chunari mein daag".
Give credit to Roshan (in Dil hi to hai) and Shankar Jaikishan (in most
other RK movies) for realizing these differences and making the best
choice.
--
Ramesh Hariharan, Chem. Engg., Princeton Univ.
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Mavani, Jagat N. (295-8920)
Mukesh was Raj Kapoor's favorite singer. Raj kapoor thought that while he
was the body, Mukesh was the Soul. However Shanker Jaikishen had their own
preferences and they used Manna Dey whenever they thought that he would
do justice to the tune of a particular song. They were more successful
when they worked for a film producer other then Raj Kapoor. The movie
Chori Chori was not a Raj Kapoor production. If one were to evaluate all the
Raj Kapoor songs sung by Mukesh, there may be occasions when Manna Dey
would have done more justice to the tune of a particular song, but there
are not that many tunes where this is true.
Other songs from RK studio productions that were sung by Manna Dey,
'Yeh bhai jara dekh ke chalo...' from Mera Naam Joker
'Mud mud ke na dekh mud mud ke..' from Shri 420
'Dil ka haal sune dil wala..." from Shri 420
and maybe some more that I do not recall at this time.
The fact that Manna dey was selected over Mukesh for some songs was only
done when Shanker Jaikishen were very sure that he would do a better job
then Mukesh. No doubt that those few songs are musical classics.
After the death of Jaikishen, Shanker felt that Raj Kapoor dumped him. I
remember watching Shanker's interview on 'Phool khile hai gulshan gulshan'
by Tabassum on doordarshan. In spite of all the prodding and leading
by Tabassum, Shanker refrained from praising either Mukesh or mentioning
his relationship with Raj Kapoor. Instead he spent the whole interview
describing his work with Manna Dey, Rafi, lata, etc. I came away with
the feeling that it was probably Jaikishen that had a relationship with
Raj Kapoor and that after his death Raj Kapoor (and maybe other producers)
did not hire Shanker for their films. Shanker felt bitter about this and
it showed in that interview.
Jagat.
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Subject: Mukesh/Manna Dey for RK
From: rth...@vax1.umkc.edu (Renu Thamma)
Organization: University of Missouri - Kansas City
Date*: Tue, 22 Feb 94 18:27:51 EST
Udit Batra
IMHO it wasn't SJ who had the final say in RK movies. In fact RK
himself took keen interest in the songs and in a lot of cases (according
to my father who was/is a very avid fan of oldies), especially involving
Mannadunk over MOOKIE for certain songs, RK wasn't satisfied w/ Mookies
jams and wanted to see Manna dunk. So there you have it.
.
--
Udit Batra
Chemical Engineering, Princeton University
The Air Force School, Subroto Park, New Delhi
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
>Ramesh Hariharan writes:
>>
>> I guess this has to do with there being two great singers whose forte were
>> different.
>>
>> Mukesh's voice was resonant, calm and soothing .... sorta flowing with
>> the good emotional individual that RK played in his movies. There was a
>> problem though ... Mukesh couldn't sing freaky, more loud and
>> semiclassical numbers (I know there are exceptions) with the ease that
>> Manna delivered. This is evident in the the movie "DIL HI TO HAI" where
>> Mukesh coos "Tum mujko agar na chaho to koyi baat nahin ... "
>> while Manna 'slam-dunks' "Laga chunari mein daag".
>>
>> Give credit to Roshan (in Dil hi to hai) and Shankar Jaikishan (in most
>> other RK movies) for realizing these differences and making the best
>> choice.
>
>Manna Dey and then Rafi. First choice female lead, was of course, Lata.
>
>I agree with Ramesh that Mukesh and Manna Dey were/are two different
>singers altogether. While Mukesh got the lion's share of RK songs, Manna
>Dey has his gems - two of which were pointed out by the originator of this
>thread and a few more by others.
>
>I feel that "dil ka haal sune dilwaala" and "mud mudke na dekh", both from
>Shree 420 and "chalat musafir moh liya re pinjare waali muniya" from Teesri
>Kasam and that awesome bhangra "main jhoot boliyan, main zaher goliyan"(?)
>from what's-that-freaky-movie-with-Nargis-featured-only-at-the-end? are
>songs which Mukesh could no way have sung.
I think you mean "Aive Duniya, Deve Dohaai" from "Jaagte Raho". This is
not, I believe, actually pictured on Raj Kapoor himself. Moreover, the
song is sung by Balbir, chorus, and the one-and-only RAFI!
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
>
>While there is no denying the pathos and emotion Mukesh put in his songs, I
>cannot but help feel that Mukesh managed to make renditions _without_ much
>inflection in his voice. Perhaps a reason for his popularity was the fact
>that his songs were "singable" by the man on the street unlike Rafi's or
>KK's or Manna Dey's.
>
>Of some interest to me: Is there (and I think there isn't!) a song sung by
>KK in a RK-produced RK-starrer?
>
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Ramesh Hariharan
>Ramesh Hariharan writes:
>>
>> different.
>>
>> Mukesh's voice was resonant, calm and soothing .... sorta flowing with
>> the good emotional individual that RK played in his movies. There was a
>
>cannot but help feel that Mukesh managed to make renditions _without_ much
>inflection in his voice.
Agreed !
Perhaps a reason for his popularity was the fact
>that his songs were "singable" by the man on the street unlike Rafi's or
>KK's or Manna Dey's.
>
Mukesh defined beauty in simplicity ... a charm that was very unique.
Sudeep Surender
>>
>>Of some interest to me: Is there (and I think there isn't!) a song sung by
>>KK in a RK-produced RK-starrer?
I think in KAL AAJ AUR KAL and DHARAM KARAM KK playbacks for
Randhir Kapoor (Aap yahan aye kis liye).
Sudeep
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Ramakrishna D. URS
Ya, KK has sung many songs for Randhir Kapoor & Rishi Kapoor
in Raj Kapoor productions ....but I don't think KK has ever
sung for Raj Kapoor.
Incidentally, KK has sung only one song for Shammi, in a
character role (Film: Vidata). Other popular actors, for whom
KK has never sung are Dilip Kumar, Raaj Kumar, Manoj Kumar ...
...Ramakrishna.