Filmfare Awards Part II - From Ketan
Suneeta Donepudi
Monseiurs, Mademoiselles, and Madames,
I bring thee, Part II of the Flimflam--oops Filmfare awards for Best Music
Director for the years 1981-1996. For those who came in late, if the
movie recd an award in 1981, it was released in 1980. My purpose in
saying this, is to elicit responses from people, who might know of other
movies with good music, that came out in that year. I also recd some
messages regarding the year of release of the movie. I susbequently found
that Filmfare, Times of India, HMV/RPG tapes and CD's and the
Encyclopaedia of Indian Cinema can all differ. So all flames to be
directed at people who have electric coiled stoves. Comments,
suggestions are welcome though. As before, I shall try to be unbiased(TRY
being the operative word).:)) Since my knowledge of movies in the
80's-90's is rather limited, I shall look to people better informed than
I, to pitch in with comments.
Lastly, as usual, all comments in this post are IMHO. I would like to be
only SIGHTED and not CITED or SLIGHTED. :)
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We begin with 1981. The award went to Karz(LP) and the nominees were
Qurbani(KA only), Thodisi Bewafai(Khayyam), Asha(LP), and Shaan(RDB).
Surprisingly, Biddu was not nominated, although Nazia Hassan won for her
rendition of "Aap jaisa koi". Other movies were Khubsoorat(RDB) and
Abdullah(RDB)
In 1982, the award went to Umrao Jaan(Khayyam), and the nominees were Ek
Duje ke Liye(LP), Love Story(RDB), Silsila(Shiv-Hari) and Armaan(BappiL).
The other movies were Baseraa(RDB), Laawaris(KA), Rocky(RDB). The
surprises were Yaarana(RR) and Kudrat(RDB) not even being nominated, and
"Rambha Ho!" being considered ahead of it. IMHO, the award should have
gone to Silsila. I remember, the joy I felt, on hearing for the first
time, THE VOICE, singing "Taaron se yeh maang sajaa doon". While the music
of UJ is great, I would say it is Asha who contributes more to the songs,
than does Khayyam(would be quite happy to hear some other viewpoints on
this).
In 1983, the FFC (FilmFare Committee), finally acquired taste for the
first time since 1974. The award went to Sanam Teri Kasam(RDB), and the
nominees were Namak Halal(BappiL), Bazaar(Khayyam), Prem Rog(LP), and
Nikaah(Ravi)--bad news here--Salma Agha won for "Dil ke Armaan". Other
movies were Shaukeen(RDB), Bemisaal(RDB), Teri Kasam(RDB), Namkeen(RDB),
Star(Biddu--believe me ye, the songs were a huge hit, thanks to Nazia).
IMHO, the award was incorrectly given(see I am unbiased). It should have
gone to a movie which, I really am surprised, should have been considered
way ahead of Sanam Teri Kasam. I speak of Yeh Wada Raha(RDB). Adjectives
fail me in describing the music, but stupendous, would be fair start.
In 1984, the award went to Masoom(RDB), and the nominees were Razia
Sultan(Khayyam), Betaab(RDB), Hero(LP), and Souten(Usha Khanna). Other
than Himmatwala(BappiL), there don't seem to be any other movies which had
popular music in that year.
In 1985 the award went to Sharabi(BappiL--well deserved), and the nominees
were Sohni Mahiwal(Anu Malik), Kasam Paida Karnewaale Ki(BappiL--can
anyone lists some songs please?), Tohfa(BappiL) and Jawani(RDB). No idea
of musically good movies released in 1984. Names welcome, shall check.
In 1986, since RDB seemed to be the only great MD around, they decided to
do away with the awards altogether. :)) Any idea why they were not given?
In 1987, the award went to NOOOOO---Ram Teri Ganga Maili(Ravindra Jain).
Yes, you will yell too when u see the nominees--Meri Jung(LP), Pyaar
Jhukta Nahin(LP), and Sur Sangam(LP--very very good) and
boohoooo--Saagar(RDB). I think the award should have gone hands down to
UTSAV(LP). Looks like they spent the whole year taking classical music
lessons, what with Utsav and Sur Sangam. :)) Only other movie, I can think
of is Saaheb(BappiL).
In 1988 since the VOICE of GOD and his son,the loRD was no more, the
industry which was grief stricken, in a state of shock, and inconsolable,
could not produce a single movie, with songs or music, hence there were no
awards.:) Any ideas why no award?
In 1989, the award went to Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak(Anand-Milind), and the
nominees were Tezaab(LP), and Khoon Bhari Maang(RR). If you ask me, and I
am extremely serious here, there seems to be underhanded skullduggery
here. Why only 3 nominees? Why deny even a nomination to a fabulous
piece of work such as Ijaazat(RDB)? Disgusting, is the word that springs
to mind, on the FFC's behaviour.
In 1990 the award went to Maine Pyaar Kiya(RaamLaxman--BAH! Lousy, mostly
copied music).(Anger still carried over from '89 awards). The nominees
were Tridev(KA--again no Viju Shah for "Tirchi topiwaale"), Ram
Lakhan(LP), and Chandni(Shiv-Hari--they should have got it). Only other
movie I can think of is Parinda(RDB).
In 1991, the award went to Aashiqui(Nadeem-Shravan--decent music). The
nominees were Baaghi(AnandM), Dil(AnandM), Aaj ka Arjun(BappiL). Other
movies were Ghayal(BappiL?). Could someone please tell me what the
"bidaai" song from Aaj Ka Arjun is. It's beautiful, and my memory is
taking a spring break.
In 1992 the award went to Saajan(NadeemS) and the nominees were
Lekin(HridaynathM--should have got it), Saudagar(LP), Phool Aur
Kaante(NadeemS). Other movies were Dil Hai Ke Maanta Nahin(NadeemS?),
Henna(?), Lamhe(Shiv-Hari). Again big disappointment was Hum(LP) not even
being nominated.
In 1993 the award went to Deewana(NadeemS), and the nominees were
Beta(AnandM), Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar(Jatin-Lalit). Any other good
movies?
In 1994, the award went to Baazigar(Anu Malik), and the nominees were
Rudaali(Bhupen Hazarika--great music, which is why it's no surprise he
lost), Khalnayak(LP), Hum Hain Rahi Pyaar Ke(NadeemS) and
Darr(Shiv-Hari--there is a conspiracy against them too). Please to provide
other movie info, folks?
In 1995, the award went to 1942 ALS(RDB), and the nominees were Main
Khiladi Tu Anari(Anu Mailk), Yeh Dillagi(Dilip-Sameer Sen), Hum Aapke Hain
Koun(RaamLaxman--thank GOD, it did not win), and Mohra(Viju Shah). Only
other movie whose music, I liked was Andaz Apna Apna(?) but then I am an
OPN fan. :)
In 1996, the award went to Rangeela(A R Rahman--did I get the spelling
right?), and the nominees were Akele Hum Akele Tum(Anu Malik),
DDLJ(JatinL--Oh come on, it's too long a name to type), Raja(NadeemS) and
Karan Arjun(RR). Any others?
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That's it folks. Thank you for your kind atention. I shall now propose a
toast for all those who did not win, since in most of the cases they
turned out to be movies with better music.
Ketan
A KK-Burman fan(atic)
Arun Verma
>In 1983, the FFC (FilmFare Committee), finally acquired taste for the
>first time since 1974. The award went to Sanam Teri Kasam(RDB), and the
>nominees were Namak Halal(BappiL), Bazaar(Khayyam), Prem Rog(LP), and
>Nikaah(Ravi)--bad news here--Salma Agha won for "Dil ke Armaan". Other
>movies were Shaukeen(RDB), Bemisaal(RDB), Teri Kasam(RDB), Namkeen(RDB),
>Star(Biddu--believe me ye, the songs were a huge hit, thanks to Nazia).
>IMHO, the award was incorrectly given(see I am unbiased). It should have
>gone to a movie which, I really am surprised, should have been considered
>way ahead of Sanam Teri Kasam. I speak of Yeh Wada Raha(RDB). Adjectives
>fail me in describing the music, but stupendous, would be fair start.
>
>
Yeh wada raha, IMHO, has its share of junk songs. Out of the 6 songs
from the soundtrack, only two are worthwhile, and they are GREAT..
I speaketh of the title song by KK & Asha...and the other one which
I like even more "Aisa Kabhi hua nahin, jo bhi hua khoob hua" by KK.
Superb rendition, MARVELOUS music(vintage RDB) for this song.
Arun
Snehal B. Oza
>In 1995, the award went to 1942 ALS(RDB), and the nominees were Main
>Khiladi Tu Anari(Anu Mailk), Yeh Dillagi(Dilip-Sameer Sen), Hum Aapke Hain
>Koun(RaamLaxman--thank GOD, it did not win), and Mohra(Viju Shah). Only
>other movie whose music, I liked was Andaz Apna Apna(?) but then I am an
>OPN fan. :)
Wasn't Lamhe a 1994 release ?
>In 1996, the award went to Rangeela(A R Rahman--did I get the spelling
>right?), and the nominees were Akele Hum Akele Tum(Anu Malik),
>DDLJ(JatinL--Oh come on, it's too long a name to type), Raja(NadeemS) and
>Karan Arjun(RR). Any others?
>Ketan
>A KK-Burman fan(atic)
Ravi Krishna
Arun Verma (ve...@cs.cornell.edu) wrote:
: Yeh wada raha, IMHO, has its share of junk songs. Out of the 6 songs
: from the soundtrack, only two are worthwhile, and they are GREAT..
: I speaketh of the title song by KK & Asha...and the other one which
: I like even more "Aisa Kabhi hua nahin, jo bhi hua khoob hua" by KK.
: Superb rendition, MARVELOUS music(vintage RDB) for this song.
I agree with Arun completely. The above mentioned two songs of YWR were very
good. However I noticed that KK's voice in this film starting showing signs
of age. This film was a 1982 release , that is after the heart attack of KK
in 1980. Listen to the song "maine tujhe saabi kuch kaha thaa .." (KK & Asha)
and you will agree with what me.
Ravi Krishna
Suneeta Donepudi (sdon...@telogy.com) wrote:
NOTE: All comments are automatically prefixed by IMO. The self appointed
thulla (cop) of RMIM need not bother to give any ticket to me.
: We begin with 1981. The award went to Karz(LP) and the nominees were
: Qurbani(KA only), Thodisi Bewafai(Khayyam), Asha(LP), and Shaan(RDB).
: Surprisingly, Biddu was not nominated, although Nazia Hassan won for her
: rendition of "Aap jaisa koi". Other movies were Khubsoorat(RDB) and
: Abdullah(RDB)
Not much of a dispute here. Karz's music was a huge success and LP did
change their style in this movie.
: In 1982, the award went to Umrao Jaan(Khayyam), and the nominees were Ek
: Duje ke Liye(LP), Love Story(RDB), Silsila(Shiv-Hari) and Armaan(BappiL).
: The other movies were Baseraa(RDB), Laawaris(KA), Rocky(RDB). The
: surprises were Yaarana(RR) and Kudrat(RDB) not even being nominated, and
: "Rambha Ho!" being considered ahead of it. IMHO, the award should have
: gone to Silsila. I remember, the joy I felt, on hearing for the first
: time, THE VOICE, singing "Taaron se yeh maang sajaa doon". While the music
: of UJ is great, I would say it is Asha who contributes more to the songs,
: than does Khayyam(would be quite happy to hear some other viewpoints on
: this).
Umrao Jaan's music was head and should above the other nominees and I think
it deserved it.
: In 1983, the FFC (FilmFare Committee), finally acquired taste for the
: first time since 1974. The award went to Sanam Teri Kasam(RDB), and the
: nominees were Namak Halal(BappiL), Bazaar(Khayyam), Prem Rog(LP), and
: Nikaah(Ravi)--bad news here--Salma Agha won for "Dil ke Armaan". Other
: movies were Shaukeen(RDB), Bemisaal(RDB), Teri Kasam(RDB), Namkeen(RDB),
: Star(Biddu--believe me ye, the songs were a huge hit, thanks to Nazia).
: IMHO, the award was incorrectly given(see I am unbiased). It should have
: gone to a movie which, I really am surprised, should have been considered
: way ahead of Sanam Teri Kasam. I speak of Yeh Wada Raha(RDB). Adjectives
: fail me in describing the music, but stupendous, would be fair start.
RDB deserved FF award in 70's not for STK in 1983 , a very mediocre album.
Bazaar deserved most.
: In 1984, the award went to Masoom(RDB), and the nominees were Razia
: Sultan(Khayyam), Betaab(RDB), Hero(LP), and Souten(Usha Khanna). Other
: than Himmatwala(BappiL), there don't seem to be any other movies which had
: popular music in that year.
Masoom had only one good song "huzoor is tharah ..". Razia Sultan was better
overall.
: In 1985 the award went to Sharabi(BappiL--well deserved), and the nominees
: were Sohni Mahiwal(Anu Malik), Kasam Paida Karnewaale Ki(BappiL--can
: anyone lists some songs please?), Tohfa(BappiL) and Jawani(RDB). No idea
: of musically good movies released in 1984. Names welcome, shall check.
No comments. 1984 was quite a bad year for hindi film music.
: In 1986, since RDB seemed to be the only great MD around, they decided to
: do away with the awards altogether. :)) Any idea why they were not given?
: In 1987, the award went to NOOOOO---Ram Teri Ganga Maili(Ravindra Jain).
: Yes, you will yell too when u see the nominees--Meri Jung(LP), Pyaar
: Jhukta Nahin(LP), and Sur Sangam(LP--very very good) and
: boohoooo--Saagar(RDB). I think the award should have gone hands down to
: UTSAV(LP). Looks like they spent the whole year taking classical music
: lessons, what with Utsav and Sur Sangam. :)) Only other movie, I can think
: of is Saaheb(BappiL).
You are mistaken about the year. All the above mentioned movies were 1985
release and it must be the 1986 FF award. yes you are right , Utsav was the
best.
: In 1988 since the VOICE of GOD and his son,the loRD was no more, the
: industry which was grief stricken, in a state of shock, and inconsolable,
: could not produce a single movie, with songs or music, hence there were no
: awards.:) Any ideas why no award?
FF awards were not presented for the year 1987 and 1988 ( that is for films
released in the year 1986 and 1987).
: In 1989, the award went to Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak(Anand-Milind), and the
: nominees were Tezaab(LP), and Khoon Bhari Maang(RR). If you ask me, and I
: am extremely serious here, there seems to be underhanded skullduggery
: here. Why only 3 nominees? Why deny even a nomination to a fabulous
: piece of work such as Ijaazat(RDB)? Disgusting, is the word that springs
: to mind, on the FFC's behaviour.
1989 saw the return of FF after a gap of two years. That was the year which
saw FF awards being shown on TV. ( not live but recorded). After that they
have shown FF awards each year on TV.
I have mentioned this many times that Ijaazat deserved the 1988 FF award.
However FF award is based on popularity and QSQT was far more popular than
Izaajat.
: In 1990 the award went to Maine Pyaar Kiya(RaamLaxman--BAH! Lousy, mostly
: copied music).(Anger still carried over from '89 awards). The nominees
: were Tridev(KA--again no Viju Shah for "Tirchi topiwaale"), Ram
: Lakhan(LP), and Chandni(Shiv-Hari--they should have got it). Only other
: movie I can think of is Parinda(RDB).
Admit it , MPK's music was really popular. I remember there was hardly any
Maruti car in Delhi ( marooti as in Delhi lingo) from which Kabootar song was
not getting blasted. Also don't talk about copied music , atleast when RDB
is mentioned.
: In 1991, the award went to Aashiqui(Nadeem-Shravan--decent music). The
: nominees were Baaghi(AnandM), Dil(AnandM), Aaj ka Arjun(BappiL). Other
: movies were Ghayal(BappiL?). Could someone please tell me what the
: "bidaai" song from Aaj Ka Arjun is. It's beautiful, and my memory is
: taking a spring break.
Aashiqui deserved it.
: In 1992 the award went to Saajan(NadeemS) and the nominees were
: Lekin(HridaynathM--should have got it), Saudagar(LP), Phool Aur
: Kaante(NadeemS). Other movies were Dil Hai Ke Maanta Nahin(NadeemS?),
: Henna(?), Lamhe(Shiv-Hari). Again big disappointment was Hum(LP) not even
: being nominated.
Lekin was the best film of 1991 and probably the 90s' also ( so far). But
again popularity was the criteria for Saajan getting the award.
: In 1993 the award went to Deewana(NadeemS), and the nominees were
: Beta(AnandM), Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar(Jatin-Lalit). Any other good
: movies?
Raju Ban Gaya Gentelman (Jatin-Lalit) was also good and so was Khiladi.
Arun Verma
In article <5gc2qo$4...@news.informix.com>,
Ravi Krishna <rkri...@informix.com> wrote:
>
>Masoom had only one good song "huzoor is tharah ..". Razia Sultan was better
>overall.
>
Agree : Razia Sultan was better overall.
Disgree : Masoom had only one good song...
Heck, IMHO, "Huzoor is kadar.." was not even the best from the soundtrack....
I am talking of a gem-of-a-masterpiece, lyrically and musically, not to mention
de-perfecto singing by Aarti Mukherjee (a very underrated singer, IMHO) :
Do naina aur ek kahani, thoda sa badal, thoda sa pani
aur ek kahani...
I'm sure I'll run out of words to describe the beauty of above RDB-Gulzar combo,
so I won't even attempt. Just a brief tid-bit though....I LOVE RDB's use of Bass-Guitar
in this song...it appears just before the antara .
Bokil-saab, waiting eagerly for this song in the Magic moments series.!
Arun
Chetan
Posting for Ketan.
C
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From: Ketan <ke...@iag.net>
Subject: FilmFare Awards --Appendix
Sorry folks, I meant to post this at the end of my Part II posting, but
at that time I did not have much time to do the analysis, and I wanted to
simply post the article and be done with it.
Here therefore is a table of the winners/nominees, not including the
awards for 1997.
A total of 41 awards have been given out in the Best MD category. These
awards have been given out to 20 MD's. SJ top the list with 9, followed by
LP
with 7. The 3rd place is shared by RDB and ARRRGHH! Nadeem Shravan with 3
each
and in 5th place are SDB, Ravi & Khayyam with 2 each.
Besides the 41 winners, a total of 111 other movies have been nominated.
These nominations have been distributed between 28 MD's. LP top the list
here with 18 nominations, followed by RDB with 14, and SJ with 11. KA
come in 4th place with 7, followed by RR with 6 nominations.
There have been only 3 MD's who have won an award but never been nominated
again. They are SalilC, Roshan and (so far) AR Rahman. (Was ARR nominated
in
1997?)
There are 11 MD's who have been nominated and have never won. In 1st
place are MM and Shiv-Hari with 3 nominations, followed by CR and
Jatin-Lalit with 2 each.
Below, I present the table. Excusez-moi for the line breaks, tabs,
formats.
MD Awards Won # of Other Nominations
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Shankar-Jaikishan 9 11
Laxmikant-Pyarelal 7 18
Rahul DevBurman 3 14
Nadeem-Shravan 3 3
Sachin DevBurman 2 5
Ravi 2 5
Khayyam 2 4
Kalyanji-Anandji 1 7
Rajesh Roshan 1 6
Bappi Lahiri 1 5
Naushad 1 4
Anu Malik 1 3
Anand-Milind 1 3
O P Nayyar 1 2
Ravindra Jain 1 2
Hemant Kumar 1 1
RaamLaxman 1 1
Salil Chowdhury 1 0
Roshan 1 0
A R Rahman 1 0
Madan Mohan 0 3
Shiv-Hari 0 3
C Ramchandra 0 2
Jatin-Lalit 0 2
Ghulam Mohammad 0 1
Jaidev 0 1
Hridaynath Mangeshkar 0 1
Bhupen Hazarika 0 1
Usha Khanna 0 1
Dilip Sen-Samir Sen 0 1
Viju Shah 0 1
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Ketan
A KK-Burman fan(atic)
Ketan Dholakia
Ravi Krishna wrote:
>
> >
> : In 1986, since RDB seemed to be the only great MD around, they decided to
> : do away with the awards altogether. :)) Any idea why they were not given?
> : In 1987, the award went to NOOOOO---Ram Teri Ganga Maili(Ravindra Jain).
> : Yes, you will yell too when u see the nominees--Meri Jung(LP), Pyaar
> : Jhukta Nahin(LP), and Sur Sangam(LP--very very good) and
> : boohoooo--Saagar(RDB). I think the award should have gone hands down to
> : UTSAV(LP). Looks like they spent the whole year taking classical music
> : lessons, what with Utsav and Sur Sangam. :)) Only other movie, I can think
> : of is Saaheb(BappiL).
>
> You are mistaken about the year. All the above mentioned movies were 1985
> release and it must be the 1986 FF award. yes you are right , Utsav was the
> best.
> released in the year 1986 and 1987).
>
Yup, that's what I thought too, that all the above movies were released
in 1985 and not in '86. However, the FF copy in front of me, which has
given the lists of all these awards, clearly states these movies were
given the awards in 1987 for the year 1986.
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
Ikram Ahmed Khan
Chetan wrote:
> There have been only 3 MD's who have won an award but never been nominated
> again. They are SalilC, Roshan and (so far) AR Rahman. (Was ARR nominated
> in 1997?)
He won, too!! :)
Actually I am talking about the Filmfare awards for Tamil movies.. :)
He won for Bombay ...
He did not have any nominations for the 1996 Hindi films.
There's a reason too - No original music by him for Hindi movies.
Dubbings don't count in the general scheme of things for FF.
They are only good for getting special awards and such stuff.
And in that sense, ARR has won two filmfares, the other being
the RDB award. Truly hath it been said, that the loRD awards
the worthy. :) {Who said it?? I just did. I am picking up
all the 'approved scholarly fashions' that I see on rmim. :) }
Later,
Ikram.
Abhay Avachat
Thanks Ketan for both the articles. I am also in a mood of stating some
of my opinions, of course all subjective. So here we go ....
>In 1982, the award went to Umrao Jaan(Khayyam), and the nominees were Ek
>Duje ke Liye(LP), Love Story(RDB), Silsila(Shiv-Hari) and Armaan(BappiL).
>The other movies were Baseraa(RDB), Laawaris(KA), Rocky(RDB). The
>surprises were Yaarana(RR) and Kudrat(RDB) not even being nominated, and
>"Rambha Ho!" being considered ahead of it. IMHO, the award should have
>gone to Silsila.
Quite a few movies with good music ! But IMHO the only great one is
Umrao Jaan. Also susprising is the fact that, Love Story and Ek Duje
Ke Liye songs were so hugely popular than Umrao Jan, how come FFC
settled for quality than popularity ? Also Amitabh's song from Lawaaris
was on top 'paaidaan' of Binaka Geet Mala.
>In 1983, the FFC (FilmFare Committee), finally acquired taste for the
>first time since 1974. The award went to Sanam Teri Kasam(RDB), and the
>nominees were Namak Halal(BappiL), Bazaar(Khayyam), Prem Rog(LP), and
>Nikaah(Ravi)--bad news here--Salma Agha won for "Dil ke Armaan". Other
>movies were Shaukeen(RDB), Bemisaal(RDB), Teri Kasam(RDB), Namkeen(RDB),
>Star(Biddu--believe me ye, the songs were a huge hit, thanks to Nazia).
Star was a temporary hit. The music faded quickly and so the fate of that
dumbo baap ka bumbo beta - Kumar Gaurav. And Sanam Teri Kasam was hardly
great. It was good, but not at all great. To me Nikaah was extra-ordinary.
"FizaaN bhi haiN jawaaN-2" and the long prelude before it is just awesome.
But then, it's by Ravi, and we don't praise him on RMIM, do we ?
>In 1987, the award went to NOOOOO---Ram Teri Ganga Maili(Ravindra Jain).
>Yes, you will yell too when u see the nominees--Meri Jung(LP), Pyaar
>Jhukta Nahin(LP), and Sur Sangam(LP--very very good) and
>boohoooo--Saagar(RDB). I think the award should have gone hands down to
>UTSAV(LP). Looks like they spent the whole year taking classical music
>lessons, what with Utsav and Sur Sangam. :)) Only other movie, I can think
>of is Saaheb(BappiL).
Well, first of all, RTGM was hugely popular. Who wouln't remember the
overdose of "sun saiba sun" on the loud-speakers ? In terms of _such_
popularity it revived the memories of another RK film - Bobby. Let's
face it. Popularity wise, it beat the hell out of other films that year.
BTW, I like the songs a lot. Very good lyrics and nice tunes. And to me
Saagar was just an ordinary score. KK was without magic in "chehara hai"
and RDB lacked any divine touch in all the songs. ( "chhuona chhuona"
became famous for quite different reasons).
>In 1990 the award went to Maine Pyaar Kiya(RaamLaxman--BAH! Lousy, mostly
>copied music).(Anger still carried over from '89 awards). The nominees
>were Tridev(KA--again no Viju Shah for "Tirchi topiwaale"), Ram
>Lakhan(LP), and Chandni(Shiv-Hari--they should have got it). Only other
>movie I can think of is Parinda(RDB).
Parinda sounded abs extra-ordinary to me. Touch of class ! Although I
don't like the voice of the male singer in "tumse milke" (who is he),
the tunes were fabulous. But we have to face it, MPK was a phenomenon
in terms of popularity.
>In 1995, the award went to 1942 ALS(RDB), and the nominees were Main
>Khiladi Tu Anari(Anu Mailk), Yeh Dillagi(Dilip-Sameer Sen), Hum Aapke Hain
>Koun(RaamLaxman--thank GOD, it did not win), and Mohra(Viju Shah). Only
>other movie whose music, I liked was Andaz Apna Apna(?) but then I am an
>OPN fan. :)
I am an OPN fan too, but that's why I have some objections to this music
by Tushar Bhatia. Only one song reminded of OPN - "ye lo jee sanam" and
what a disappointment the singer was !! This was a Rafi song and some
Jolly F (?) ruined it totally. Other songs hardly reminded the OPN touch,
although the songs were good.
1942 ALS surprised me a bit. The choice could have been due to emotional
reasons. Because HAHK was so so popular. All the 'top ten' programs had
it at the top for many many months. Another phenomenon.
- Abhay.
Just some faaltu opinions ....
hnk...@pitt.edu
> In 1994, the award went to Baazigar(Anu Malik), and the nominees were
> Rudaali(Bhupen Hazarika--great music, which is why it's no surprise he
> lost), Khalnayak(LP), Hum Hain Rahi Pyaar Ke(NadeemS) and
> Darr(Shiv-Hari--there is a conspiracy against them too). Please to provide
> other movie info, folks?
>
How in the world did the FFC think of any of the songs in Baazigar
being better than "Jadu teri nazar" from Darr??!!! IMO, Jadu teri
nazar was the ultimate. I don't have words to describe its greatness.
Shiv-Hari and Udit Narayan (BTW, I am an Udit fan among the singers of
the new genre, any Udit fans..?) should feel very proud of their work.
-Hema.
Sujay Y Jalihal
yes guys.
YWR (yeh wada raha) does have great songs. (it is one those movies where
pancham gave us a rich music. others include hare rama hare krishna,
jawani diwani, sanam teri kasam, yaadon ki baraat, etc. i can't keep
count, am tired !!)
the director of this movie is ramesh bahel (ya, i think it's not ravi
tandon who always took RDB as his MD in his most films.). ramesh bahel
always took RDB (jawani diwani, basera, jawani, apne apne ??, etc.)
the songs in YWR are :
tu hai wahi dil hai jahan - asha & kishore (my favourite in this movie)
mil gayee aaj do lahren kuchh - asha
ishq mera bandagi hai - asha & kishore (my # 2 in this movie)
aisa kabhi huva nahin - kishore
jeene ko to jeete hai sabhi - asha & kishore
maine tujhe kabhi kuchh kaha tha - asha & kishore
it's one of the real "pancham" movies.
interesting thing :
there are two actresses tina munim & punam dhillon in this movie.
if i am not mistaken, the playback for these actresses was given by jaya
bhaduri ??
bye.
Shalini Razdan
Suneeta Donepudi wrote:
<very interesting write-up snipped>
>
> In 1986, since RDB seemed to be the only great MD around, they decided to
> do away with the awards altogether. :)) Any idea why they were not given?
No clue on the reason behind the lack of awards', but I would've given
it
to RDB that year on the basis of one song alone. Does anyone remember a
Sanjay Dutt-Mandakini movie that came out in 86'(plus or minus
one:-)called 'Jeeva'?
It has the absolutely fantastic Asha-Amit duet; 'roz roz aankhon taale
ek hi sapna chaale.'
While Amit is more than competent in the song, Asha is simply stunning
and her voice
melds perfectly with the music. Don't remember much about the other
songs; I think they
were mostly Asha/Mohd. Aziz(Why?!!) affairs. Oh yeah, I believe "THE
VOICE" croaked
out an eminently forgettable song or two also!:-)))
Shalini
> Ketan
>
> A KK-Burman fan(atic)
Ashok
In article <3329C0...@raleigh.ibm.com>, iak...@raleigh.ibm.com says...
>
>Chetan wrote:
>> There have been only 3 MD's who have won an award but never been nominated
>> again. They are SalilC, Roshan and (so far) AR Rahman. (Was ARR nominated
>> in 1997?)
>
>
>There's a reason too - No original music by him for Hindi movies.
>
>Ikram.
Looks like even Ikram is getting tired of Ræhman's repititions. :)
Ashok
Satish c. Kalra
The award for Raam Teri Ganga Maili ho gayi was awarded in 1986,
for 1985 (March 1994 issue, Filmfare lists all winners for the years in
which the films were released). Some of the statistics given in a
later issue of FF were, apparaently, incorrect.
Satish C. Kalra
Ikram Ahmed Khan
Ashok wrote:
> >He did not have any nominations for the 1996 Hindi films.
> >There's a reason too - No original music by him for Hindi movies.
>
*sigh* No, Ashok... Just tired of the spelling mishtayks that you
insist on committing. There are two, in just one sentence!!
Ræhman - Should be 'Rahman'
repititions - Should be 'repetitions'
Later,
Ikram.
ps. But not tired enuff not to point 'em out. :)
pps. Are we still not back to the 'music' topic, yet?? ;)
>
> Ashok
Anil Hingorani
Ketan,
Thanks for this article. Here are some comments:
> >
> >We begin with 1981. The award went to Karz(LP) and the nominees were
> >Qurbani(KA only), Thodisi Bewafai(Khayyam), Asha(LP), and Shaan(RDB).
> >Surprisingly, Biddu was not nominated, although Nazia Hassan won for her
> >rendition of "Aap jaisa koi". Other movies were Khubsoorat(RDB) and
> >Abdullah(RDB)
> >
Love 'Ahl-e-dil yun hi...' from Thodisi Bewafaii and 'Piya bawarii..'
from Khusoorat. Everything else on this list is quite mediocre. I guess
"Karz" was very popular and hence won.
> >In 1982, the award went to Umrao Jaan(Khayyam), and the nominees were Ek
> >Duje ke Liye(LP), Love Story(RDB), Silsila(Shiv-Hari) and Armaan(BappiL).
> >The other movies were Baseraa(RDB), Laawaris(KA), Rocky(RDB). The
> >surprises were Yaarana(RR) and Kudrat(RDB) not even being nominated, and
> >"Rambha Ho!" being considered ahead of it. IMHO, the award should have
> >gone to Silsila. I remember, the joy I felt, on hearing for the first
> >time, THE VOICE, singing "Taaron se yeh maang sajaa doon". While the music
> >of UJ is great, I would say it is Asha who contributes more to the songs,
> >than does Khayyam(would be quite happy to hear some other viewpoints on
> >this).
As much as I like "Silsila", I do believe "Umrao Jaan" had no
competetion.
But, how come Filmfare went against it's tradition of awarding popular
soundtracks here? Wasn't "Ek Duje Ke Liye" the big hit of that year?
I think Khaiyyaam's music in UJ was super. Asha's stunning voice here
should also be attributed to Khaiyyam - he trained her to lower her
voice by half an octave. Besides, the non-Asha songs of UJ are my
favorites. How can anyone take that away from this great composer?
> >
> >In 1983, the FFC (FilmFare Committee), finally acquired taste for the
> >first time since 1974. The award went to Sanam Teri Kasam(RDB), and the
> >nominees were Namak Halal(BappiL), Bazaar(Khayyam), Prem Rog(LP), and
> >Nikaah(Ravi)--bad news here--Salma Agha won for "Dil ke Armaan". Other
> >movies were Shaukeen(RDB), Bemisaal(RDB), Teri Kasam(RDB), Namkeen(RDB),
> >Star(Biddu--believe me ye, the songs were a huge hit, thanks to Nazia).
> >IMHO, the award was incorrectly given(see I am unbiased). It should have
> >gone to a movie which, I really am surprised, should have been considered
> >way ahead of Sanam Teri Kasam. I speak of Yeh Wada Raha(RDB). Adjectives
> >fail me in describing the music, but stupendous, would be fair start.
> >
"Sanam Teri Kasam" was the worst of the nominated lot!
I think "Bazaar" deserved it (sorry, it's Khaiyyaam once again) mainly
for 'Dikhai diye yun..'.
The music of "Nikaah" was quite good too. However, Salma Agha's singing
was quite aweful. Most songs of "Prem Rog" were good too - my favorite
being 'Yeh galiyaan yeh chaubara..'. Also, as much as I hate BL, his
"Namak Halal" was not bad.
"Yeh Vada Raha" is absolutely wonderful and I am surprised it wasn't
even nominated.
> >In 1984, the award went to Masoom(RDB), and the nominees were Razia
> >Sultan(Khayyam), Betaab(RDB), Hero(LP), and Souten(Usha Khanna). Other
> >than Himmatwala(BappiL), there don't seem to be any other movies which had
> >popular music in that year.
> >
Filmfare was right here. "Razia Sultan" had some good songs but 'Tujhse
naraaz...' from "Masoom" is a classic.
> >In 1985 the award went to Sharabi(BappiL--well deserved), and the nominees
> >were Sohni Mahiwal(Anu Malik), Kasam Paida Karnewaale Ki(BappiL--can
> >anyone lists some songs please?), Tohfa(BappiL) and Jawani(RDB). No idea
> >of musically good movies released in 1984. Names welcome, shall check.
> >
Highly avoidable nominees. I DO NOT like "Sharabi".
> >In 1986, since RDB seemed to be the only great MD around, they decided to
> >do away with the awards altogether. :)) Any idea why they were not given?
> >
Very strange!
I will confirm this with the Filmfare award list I have somewhere.
> >In 1987, the award went to NOOOOO---Ram Teri Ganga Maili(Ravindra Jain).
> >Yes, you will yell too when u see the nominees--Meri Jung(LP), Pyaar
> >Jhukta Nahin(LP), and Sur Sangam(LP--very very good) and
> >boohoooo--Saagar(RDB). I think the award should have gone hands down to
> >UTSAV(LP). Looks like they spent the whole year taking classical music
> >lessons, what with Utsav and Sur Sangam. :)) Only other movie, I can think
> >of is Saaheb(BappiL).
> >
I quite like RTGM and since it was the most popular of that year I think
it was well deserved. "Sur Sangam" with Rajan/Sajan Misra (I love them)
was quite good but it is hard to imagine a popular award going to that
movie.
> >In 1988 since the VOICE of GOD and his son,the loRD was no more, the
> >industry which was grief stricken, in a state of shock, and inconsolable,
> >could not produce a single movie, with songs or music, hence there were no
> >awards.:) Any ideas why no award?
> >
Will check on this one. Whom are you talking about??
> >In 1989, the award went to Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak(Anand-Milind), and the
> >nominees were Tezaab(LP), and Khoon Bhari Maang(RR). If you ask me, and I
> >am extremely serious here, there seems to be underhanded skullduggery
> >here. Why only 3 nominees? Why deny even a nomination to a fabulous
> >piece of work such as Ijaazat(RDB)? Disgusting, is the word that springs
> >to mind, on the FFC's behaviour.
>
> >In 1990 the award went to Maine Pyaar Kiya(RaamLaxman--BAH! Lousy, mostly
> >copied music).(Anger still carried over from '89 awards). The nominees
> >were Tridev(KA--again no Viju Shah for "Tirchi topiwaale"), Ram
> >Lakhan(LP), and Chandni(Shiv-Hari--they should have got it). Only other
> >movie I can think of is Parinda(RDB).
> >
> >In 1991, the award went to Aashiqui(Nadeem-Shravan--decent music). The
> >nominees were Baaghi(AnandM), Dil(AnandM), Aaj ka Arjun(BappiL). Other
> >movies were Ghayal(BappiL?). Could someone please tell me what the
> >"bidaai" song from Aaj Ka Arjun is. It's beautiful, and my memory is
> >taking a spring break.
> >
Don't care for any of the nominated movies of 89,90&91 except maybe
"Chandni". "Aashiqui" SUCKS!
"Ijaazat" not getting nominated is a travesty. One of the all time great
music and also my favorite Gulzar movie!
> >In 1992 the award went to Saajan(NadeemS) and the nominees were
> >Lekin(HridaynathM--should have got it), Saudagar(LP), Phool Aur
> >Kaante(NadeemS). Other movies were Dil Hai Ke Maanta Nahin(NadeemS?),
> >Henna(?), Lamhe(Shiv-Hari). Again big disappointment was Hum(LP) not even
> >being nominated.
> >
"Lekin" was supreme. It won the National award. Everything else was
below standard - "Sajan" being the WORST.
Besides "Lekin" there was another movie (great movie) with absolutely
stunning music - "Drishti". Composed by Kishori Amonkar, this is as good
as movie soundtracks get. Of course, how can one even begin to think
that such music can be nominated by Filmfare:-)
> >In 1993 the award went to Deewana(NadeemS), and the nominees were
> >Beta(AnandM), Jo Jeeta Wohi Sikandar(Jatin-Lalit). Any other good
> >movies?
> >
JJWS would have been my choice, even if for that one song.
> >In 1994, the award went to Baazigar(Anu Malik), and the nominees were
> >Rudaali(Bhupen Hazarika--great music, which is why it's no surprise he
> >lost), Khalnayak(LP), Hum Hain Rahi Pyaar Ke(NadeemS) and
> >Darr(Shiv-Hari--there is a conspiracy against them too). Please to provide
> >other movie info, folks?
> >
As you rightly pointed out, "Rudaali" was the best this year. Gulzar
('Dil hoom hoom..') lost the best lyricist award to Sameer ("Ghunghat ki
oodh..')!!!!
> >In 1995, the award went to 1942 ALS(RDB), and the nominees were Main
> >Khiladi Tu Anari(Anu Mailk), Yeh Dillagi(Dilip-Sameer Sen), Hum Aapke Hain
> >Koun(RaamLaxman--thank GOD, it did not win), and Mohra(Viju Shah). Only
> >other movie whose music, I liked was Andaz Apna Apna(?) but then I am an
> >OPN fan. :)
> >
> >In 1996, the award went to Rangeela(A R Rahman--did I get the spelling
> >right?), and the nominees were Akele Hum Akele Tum(Anu Malik),
> >DDLJ(JatinL--Oh come on, it's too long a name to type), Raja(NadeemS) and
> >Karan Arjun(RR). Any others?
> >
> >
I think Filmfare was on the money for 95&96. However, they gave the
award to RH for 1997 and are back to being the Flim Flam award!!! My
sympathies to Vishal & Jatin/Lalit.
Anil
Satish c. Kalra
In <332D6C...@raleigh.ibm.com> Ikram Ahmed Khan
............Can I join the fray, too? :-)))
Then should it not be REHMAN?
Satish Kalra
..................
Ashish Bokil
On 14 Mar 1997, Abhay Avachat wrote:
> Thanks Ketan for both the articles. I am also in a mood of stating some
> of my opinions, of course all subjective. So here we go ....
Ditto and Ditto !! ... here i go ... and before someone tells me to take
some other course or solve another quiz, let me add, this time, i am not
absolutely jobless ... ok! may be a little ... :) anyways ...
> great. It was good, but not at all great. To me Nikaah was extra-ordinary.
> "FizaaN bhi haiN jawaaN-2" and the long prelude before it is just awesome.
> But then, it's by Ravi, and we don't praise him on RMIM, do we ?
Nikaah was extra "ordinary" ... ;-) .. very true ... the qawwaali and a
few other mk renderings, by my horribly biased opinion, are avoidable in
toto. Salmaa Aghaa, having a sorta different voice - for those days in
particular - was "a kinda" fresh breeze, and therefore, carried through
what, in my again positively [or in this case rather negatively] biased
opinion, was a terribly ordinary [extra "ordinary" if you will] tune - no!
i am not refering to the song Abhay has mentioned above, but to "Dil ke
armaa aansu-on main ..." . This song is a recycled tune, of perhaps
another very ordinary Ravi song - Dil hi dil main le liyaa dil
meharbaani aapki" .. or was this the recycled one? anyways ... ordinary
they both are ... fairly dull! ... The song "fazaa bhee hai rawaa.n -
rawaa.n" was the only really good tune and really well orchestrated ...
and seemed to be the odd man out from that sound track. While i know a
few of the many die-hard fans of this sound-track, i remember once
deciding to watch Krishi-Darshan on Delhi Door-Darshan in stead of
listening to this one at a friend's place.
> >In 1987, the award went to NOOOOO---Ram Teri Ganga Maili(Ravindra Jain).
> >UTSAV(LP). Looks like they spent the whole year taking classical music
> Well, first of all, RTGM was hugely popular. Who wouln't remember the
> overdose of "sun saiba sun" on the loud-speakers ? In terms of _such_
> popularity it revived the memories of another RK film - Bobby. Let's
> face it. Popularity wise, it beat the hell out of other films that year.
> BTW, I like the songs a lot. Very good lyrics and nice tunes. And to me
> Saagar was just an ordinary score. KK was without magic in "chehara hai"
> and RDB lacked any divine touch in all the songs. ( "chhuona chhuona"
> became famous for quite different reasons).
RTGM, is very well orchestrated too .. if you have difficulty perceiving
it on the boom-boxes, try listening to it closely on a walkman ... if it
has a graphic equalizer, put the low frequencies on the maximum - [high
bass], medium one at a couple of levels lower than the middle level [so as
to reduce lata's shreiking voice], and then play around with the highest
frequencies at approximately middle level - until the "hiss" is minimal.
What you tune into is a very pleasing "ghatam", "naal" and the tabla -
with resounding bass, harmonizing violins at a very well adjusted level
that create the aura of mountains and the grandeur of the lush valley.
Except for the song "main hi main hoon ..." the sound-track is uniformly
well-orchestrated. In "main hi main hoon ..", RJ fell pray to the LP-ish
[and actually, also his own of latter-years] cluttered-up orchestration
style. of course, this is not a comparison with Utsav, but simply a
one-way outlook on this soundtrack.
While most of us almost always pay great attention to the tune and the
lyrics, the orchestration almost always slips away. A great
orchestration, it seems, to many people is a piece o'cake ... My feeling
in this regard is, the knack of balanced orchestration has elluded many
great musicians, who have, for numerous tunes, provided below par quality
of orchestration [below par does not equal "less" instruments, but means
"inferior"] or overly cluttered orchestration. The mysticism of "tum
pukaar lo", or "ye dil aur unki..nigaahon ke saaye", the romanticism of
"suniye ... kahiye..", "ni sa gaa maa paa ni saa re gaa ..aa aa re mitwaa
..", or "jab deep jale aanaa", the liveliness of "ae zindagi ... gale
lagaa le ...", the boistrousness of "pardesia..", the aloofness of "aaj
koi nahee apnaa ...." have deep roots in extremely balanced and - actually
in most of the cases - abundant instrumentation. And if you have been
careful to observe, I haven't mentioned any songs from Saagar in the above
list. The reason, au-contrair to what you may have thought, is that it
deserves special consideration.
Please follow the same walkman exercise for Saagar ... Recalling some of
the scenes of the O Maaria song, - the massive choreographed fast-paced
dance in particular, give the impression that the music must be overly
cluttered. Nopes Sire!! ... its just as controlled as any other RD music
- sans of course "Zamaane ko dikhaanaa hai" and a few others in late 80s.
the perfectly audible and prominent bass guitar, equally perfectly mixed
rythm and occasional harmonizing violins ... however, among other songs,
this one is mediocre. Come "Saagar kinaare" you enter the song through
a violin tune that has some creative recording [listen to it in the
walkman and you would feel that the tune is literally dancing all around
your head ... and you dive into the tabla rythm with resounding bass ..
interludes are also equally well orchestrated ... well .....i could
perhaps go on describing the other songs too, but the real effect would
not be observed unless you do this little exercise i was talking about ..
only then will you experience why that song with very ordinary "tune"
"yoon hi gaate raho .." has had how many efforts in orchestration.
The things that are apparently small such as "having the smaller tabla
sound on one speaker and the Dagga sound in the other one has been
used before too, but clumsily. Not here! ... It really enhances the
listening pleasure because it has been mixed really well with the bass
rythm. This is not just "too many instruments", but a really well
balanced music. "paas aao naa ..." has that exquisite cymbal chime
matching with Asha's exhalings' along with an awsssome bass. It doesn't
cheapen it, but just provides that soft consistent emphasis. To top the
cake is the icing of "Sach mere yaar hai ..." which has tons and tons of
small small effects here and there such as within speaker movements of the
music, ... that song has simply mind-blowing orchestration
Basically, [perhaps I have said this before too], Saagar has one of the
best "mixing" observed in the Indian music .... some others comparable to
this are ... Sadma (- two songs: Ae zindagi ... and ye mahua ...),
Agnipariksha [- I have heard only one song of this movie: Aaj koi nahee
apnaa ...and if this smell is any indication, i am willing to consume
this vintage wine], and may be to some extent ... Roja.
> - Abhay.
> Just some faaltu opinions ....
so have some more ....!!! ... :))
ashish
S Jagadish
>> >In 1988 since the VOICE of GOD and his son,the loRD was no more, the
>> >industry which was grief stricken, in a state of shock, and inconsolable,
Who else but Kishore ?!
--
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Nanyang Technological University
Mayajaal : http://www2.ntu.ac.sg:8000/~sf918168/mayajaal.html
Syed M Rizwan
Anil Hingorani <ahi...@etsd.ml.com> writes:
>Love 'Ahl-e-dil yun hi...' from Thodisi Bewafaii and 'Piya bawarii..'
Do you mean 'Ahl-e-dil yun hi.... Dird Seenay mei.n basaa layte hei.n'??
I thought that song was from the movie 'Dird' (or maybe spelled durd)
????
Rizwan