100 Greatest Bollywood Soundtracks Ever
Ketan
Planet Bollywood is proud to present a unique 4-part series featuring 100
Greatest Soundtracks in Bollywood history. It was a monumental task to identify
such masterpieces, given that Bollywood has produced over 30,000 movie
soundtracks. This writer has selected what he feels to be the greatest
soundtracks that have:
Made an instant impact on the listeners
After watching the movie, people liked them even more
Have at least three songs that were superhit
Have been etched into our memories forever
by Randy Lall
http://www.planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=060306044135
*Drumroll* Let the gagging/barfing/name-calling begin.
Ketan
PS: 30,000 movie soundtracks? Even if you take 125 movies a year since 1931, it
works out to less than 10,000 Hindi movies that may have songs.
surjit singh
> Planet Bollywood is proud to present a unique 4-part series featuring 100
> Greatest Soundtracks in Bollywood history. It was a monumental task to identify
> such masterpieces, given that Bollywood has produced over 30,000 movie
> soundtracks. This writer has selected what he feels to be the greatest
> soundtracks that have:
> Made an instant impact on the listeners
> After watching the movie, people liked them even more
> Have at least three songs that were superhit
> Have been etched into our memories forever
>
> by Randy Lall
>
> http://www.planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=060306044135
>
> *Drumroll* Let the gagging/barfing/name-calling begin.
Number one is Barsaat (1949).
If one had to choose a track as 'recent' as 1949 for number one, I
would have gone for Mahal (1949)!
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> On May 13, 9:15 am, Ketan <Ketan_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> > Planet Bollywood is proud to present a unique 4-part series featuring 100
> > Greatest Soundtracks in Bollywood history. It was a monumental task to identify
> > such masterpieces, given that Bollywood has produced over 30,000 movie
> > soundtracks. This writer has selected what he feels to be the greatest
> > soundtracks that have:
> > Made an instant impact on the listeners
> > After watching the movie, people liked them even more
> > Have at least three songs that were superhit
> > Have been etched into our memories forever
>
> > by Randy Lall
>
> >http://www.planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=060306044135
>
> > *Drumroll* Let the gagging/barfing/name-calling begin.
To be fair, that second bullet is kinda important...I've heard plenty
of complaints about the picturizations ruining otherwise enjoyable
songs. Assessments of adherence to these criteria are, of course,
subjective.
Sanjeev
Ketan
Sanjeev Ramabhadran says...
>
>On May 13, 12:55=A0pm, surjit singh <surjitsi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On May 13, 9:15 am, Ketan <Ketan_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>>
>0
>> > Greatest Soundtracks in Bollywood history. It was a monumental task to i=
>dentify
>> > such masterpieces, given that Bollywood has produced over 30,000 movie
>> > soundtracks. This writer has selected what he feels to be the greatest
>> > soundtracks that have:
>> > =Made an instant impact on the listeners
>> > =After watching the movie, people liked them even more
>> > =Have at least three songs that were superhit
>> > =Have been etched into our memories forever
>
>To be fair, that second bullet is kinda important...I've heard plenty
>of complaints about the picturizations ruining otherwise enjoyable
>songs. Assessments of adherence to these criteria are, of course,
>subjective.
The key word here is "Soundtrack" with emphasis on "Sound". I completely agree
with you that picturization can enhance/ruin a song, but for the purposes of
this study, the author should have focused only on the "sound" part. If you are
going to add visuals to the mix, you need to then be able to distinguish whether
you liked the song for the locales or the acting in it as it relates to the
lyrics/music or for the svelte figures of Helen, Mumtaz, Zeenat Aman, etc.
Enough people have liked the soundtrack of "Ram Teri Ganga Maili" or Satyam
Shivam Sundaram" for one reason only and it wasn't the lyrics or the music. So
the second bullet, IMO is spurious.
Ofcourse if by soundtrack the author means the entire package--audio + visuals
then your argument is valid.
Ketan
surhall
> In article <4351a897-19ff-456d-bf4e-3a204cf48...@k13g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
>
> - Show quoted text -
surhall__ Baju Bawra, Mother India, TajMahel,sangam,dosti
dhall
Vishal
I saw two Nadeem-Shravan soundtracks in the top twenty and immediately
stopped reading. :)
UVR
> works out to less than 10,000 Hindi movies that may have songs.
But you are forgetting that Lata-ji has sung 25,000 songs! :)
-UVR.
surjit singh
And Ashok Kumar + Devika Rani, Master Nisar + Kajjan, Surendra + Bibbo
were never popular :)
and Saigal, Kanan, Shanta Apte, Shanta Hublikar never sang anything to
remember!
>
> -UVR.
Asif
I counted 34 trashy albums in his list:
1. Lucky (2005)
2. Khamoshi – The Musical (1996)
3. LOC-Kargil (2003)
4. Kaante (2002)
5. Gupt (1997)
6. Mohra (1994)
7. Khalnayak (1993)
8. Dhadkan (2000)
9. Dil Chahta Hai (2001)
10. Kaho Naa Pyar Hai (2000)
11. Kuch Kuch Hota Hai (1998)
12. Baazigar (1993)
13. Tezaab (1988)
14. Kabhi Khushi Kabhie Gham (2001)
15. Phir Teri Kahani Yaad Ayee (1993)
16. Rangeela (1995)
17. Kranti (1981)
18. Border (1997)
19. Ram Lakhan (1989)
20. Refugee (2000)
21. Raja Hindustani (1996)
22. Tridev (1989)
23. Sadak (1991)
24. Dil Se (1998)
25. Devdas (2002)
26. Tere Naam (2003)
27. Taal (1999)
28. Hero (1983)
29. Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam (1999)
30. Lagaan (2001)
31. Dil To Paagal Hai (1997)
32. Hum Aapke Hain Koun (1994)
33. Amar Akbar Anthony (1977)
34. Saajan (1991).
So he got 34% of his list got completely wrong, and that alone shows
how little he knows about Hindi film music. The biggest shock for me
was to see the utter trash called Dil Se (1998) right next to the
classic Yaadon Ki Baraat (1973) – what a shame! Albums like Aashiqui
(1990), Maine Pyar Kiya (1989), and Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jaayenge
(1995) are very ordinary albums, let alone being among top 100 in any
list.
The author’s total lack of knowledge and oodles of stupidity are
proved by his omission by these memorable albums, all of which would
not only meet his criteria but also score high above the 34 counts of
trash he selected:
1. Paying Guest (1957)
2. Nau Do Gyarah (1957)
3. Teen Deviyan (1965)
4. Jewel Thief (1967)
5. Talash (1969)
6. Kati Patang (1970)
7. Mere Jeevan Saathi (1972)
8. Khel Khel Mein (1975)
9. Mehbooba (1976)
10. Daag (1973)
11. Aaye Din Bahaar Ke (1966)
12. Jab Pyar Kisise Hota Hai (1961)
13. Professor (1962)
14. Arzoo (1965)
15. Hariyali Aur Raasta (1962)
16. Anadi (1959)
17. Teesri Kasam (1966)
18. Azad (1955)
19. Udan Khatola (1955)
20. Kashmir Ki Kali (1964)
21. Phir Wohi Dil Laya Hoon (1965)
22. Mere Sanam (1965)
23. Ek Musafir Ek Hasina (1961)
24. Tumsa Nahin Dekha (1957)
25. Yeh Raat Phir Na Aayegi (1966)
26. Do Badan (1966)
27. Barsaat Ki Raat (1960)
28. Julie (1975)
29. Safar (1970)
30. Chhalia (1960)
shri37
Whole exercise is Humbug.Many deserving are left out and many
undeserving are included.
It is so bad that it can be reopaired ,Throw it away !!
shri37.
Gautam Sonthalia
Clearly, this list has been compiled based on the initial commercial
success of the albums and not the quality of music. It is shocking to
note that movies from the golden eras have been largely ignored. I
would like to reiterate Surjit Singhji's quip that it seems that the
author believes that the likes of Saigal, Samshad Begum, Suraiya,
Zohra bai, Rajkumari, Khursheed, to name just a few, have failed to
deliver good music. What a preposterous idea!
ani...@gmail.com
I found more than 34 on this list to be total trash.
> So he got 34% of his list got completely wrong, and that alone shows
> how little he knows about Hindi film music. The biggest shock for me
> was to see the utter trash called Dil Se (1998) right next to the
> classic Yaadon Ki Baraat (1973) – what a shame! Albums like Aashiqui
> (1990), Maine Pyar Kiya (1989), and Dilwale Dulhaniya Le Jaayenge
> (1995) are very ordinary albums, let alone being among top 100 in any
> list.
>
Except for Dil Se, all the others you mention are garbage - yes,
including Yaadon Ki Baraat (except for that one song, which is just
about hummable). Dil Se is one of ARRs best and certainly deserves to
be on this list and far far superior to Yaadon Ki Baraat, IMO.
I also agree with the #1 film on this list - Barsaat has and will
always remain *THE* soundtrack that got me interested in older hindi
film music and has a special place in my heart.
Cheers.
shooganpr...@yahoo.co.in
Asif
Good investigative work, except that Anari (1959) is on his list at no
88 or thereabouts.
The writer has no comprehensive knowledge/exposure to the music of 30s/
40s/50s/60s/70s and to reach a figure of 100, included all those
'kachraa' albums and his quarter-baked list is fit to be thrown in the
nearest gutter, which I have done. And that is the end of the
discussion as far as I am concerned.
Regards
Sukesh
arch...@gmail.com
I am saddened by the absence of Hum Dono.
Regards-Archisman.
Saket
Really, no need to get saddened or anything. As many others have noted
the list is complete trash.
Hum Dono is definitely one of the best soundtracks of Navketan,
probably even the best. (SD/RD fans will cry I know, but anyway)
- Saket
Asif
>
> Really, no need to get saddened or anything. As many others have noted
> the list is complete trash.
>
> Hum Dono is definitely one of the best soundtracks of Navketan,
> probably even the best. (SD/RD fans will cry I know, but anyway)
>
No, that is Guide (1965). Incidentally and *in fact*, Guide also is
the *finest* album in Hindi cinema :-)
Saket
Asif Saahab - I said 'probably' earlier, in deference to Guide (1965)
as far as Navketan soundtracks are concerned & you in particular as
far as RMIM junta !!
I think for me both tracks are equally dear, on one side Sahir on
another Shailendra, with Jaidev showing for once he was more than a
worthy assistant to a great music director.
Really it's the case of being spoilt for choice, which is also the
case with 100 greatest ....... although could have been still handled
much better than this.
Always a pleasure to get any 'fan' talking :)
- Saket
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> On May 13, 12:15 pm, Ketan <Ketan_mem...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Planet Bollywood is proud to present a unique 4-part series featuring 100
> > Greatest Soundtracks in Bollywood history. It was a monumental task to identify
> > such masterpieces, given that Bollywood has produced over 30,000 movie
> > soundtracks. This writer has selected what he feels to be the greatest
> > soundtracks that have:
> > Made an instant impact on the listeners
> > After watching the movie, people liked them even more
> > Have at least three songs that were superhit
> > Have been etched into our memories forever
>
> > by Randy Lall
>
> >http://www.planetbollywood.com/displayArticle.php?id=060306044135
>
> > *Drumroll* Let the gagging/barfing/name-calling begin.
>
> > Ketan
>
> > PS: 30,000 movie soundtracks? Even if you take 125 movies a year since 1931, it
> > works out to less than 10,000 Hindi movies that may have songs.
>
> I counted 34 trashy albums in his list:
> 9. Dil Chahta Hai (2001)
> 16. Rangeela (1995)
> 20. Refugee (2000)
> 30. Lagaan (2001)
Would not make my Top 100, but trashy is too harsh for these in
particular IMO.
Sanjeev
Saket
some time trying to make one for myself.
Rules are same + no soundtrack from the new millennium considered,
reason - time is the sternest test. There are 2 exceptions to this
rule in my list, they were too good for any rules whatsoever .
Also, couldn't bring myself to rate/score them after already feeling
bad about leaving so many others out of 100 ! So I have just sorted
them old - to - new.
Here is the result :
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Anmol Ghadi (1946)
Barsaat (1949)
Andaaz (1949)
Mahal (1949)
Aawara (1951)
Albela (1951)
Baiju Bawra (1952)
Anaarkali (1953)
Patita (1953)
Aah (1953)
Naagin (1954)
Aar Paar (1954)
Aazaad (1955)
Seema (1955)
Shri 420 (1955)
Basant Bahar (1956)
C.I.D. (1956)
Chori Chori (1956)
Mother India (1957)
Pyaasa (1957)
Paying Guest (1957)
Naya Daur (1957)
Madhumati (1958)
Adaalat (1958)
Phir Subah Hogi (1958)
Chalti Ka Naam Gaadi (1958)
Navrang (1959)
Dhool Ka Phool (1959)
Sujaata (1959)
Anaari (1959)
Goonj Uthi Shehnaai (1959)
Mughal-E-Azam (1960)
Jis Desh Mein Ganga Behti Hai (1960)
Kaala Bazaar (1960)
Barsaat Ki Raat (1960)
Anuraadha (1960)
Hum Dono (1961)
Jhumroo (1961)
Anpadh (1962)
Sahab Biwi Aur Ghulaam (1962)
Aarti (1962)
Bees Saal Baad (1962)
Phir Wohi Dil Laaya Hoon (1963)
Tere Ghar Ke Samne (1963)
Taj Mahal (1963)
Bandini (1963)
Kashmir Ki Kali (1964)
Sangam (1964)
Haqeekat (1964)
Chitralekha (1964)
Jahanara (1964)
Dosti (1964)
Woh Kaun Thi (1964)
Mere Sanam (1965)
Guide (1965)
Waqt (1965)
Shaheed (1965)
Teesri Kasam (1966)
Teesri Manzil (1966)
Aamrapali (1966)
Do Badan (1966)
Jewel Thief (1967)
Hamraaz (1967)
Upkaar (1967)
Padosan (1968)
Mere Humdam Mere Dost (1968)
Saraswati Chandra (1968)
Aaradhana (1969)
Safar (1970)
Kati Patang (1970)
Dastak (1970)
Aanand (1970)
Pakeezah (1971)
Amar Prem (1971)
Carvaan (1971)
Sharmilee (1971)
Jawani Diwani (1972)
Mere Jeevan Saathi (1972)
Bobby (1973)
Abhimaan (1973)
Julie (1975)
Aandhi (1975)
Kabhi Kabhie (1976)
Chitchor (1976)
Kinara (1977)
Ghar (1978)
Umrao Jaan (1981)
Silsila (1981)
Saath Saath (1982)
Masoom (1982)
Bazaar (1982)
Arth (1982)
Ijaazat (1987)
Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak (1988)
Aashiqui (1990)
Roja (1993)
DilSe (1998)
Hum Dil De Chuke Sanam (1999)
Saathiya (2002)
Swades (2004)
-------------------------------------------------
-Saket
Archisman Mozumder
Dear Saket-ji,
Thanks for the list (and your efforts behind it).
I'm absolutely elated to see Hum Dono, Phir Subah Hogi & Chit Chor
featuring in this list
Regards-Archisman.
Saket
> Dear Saket-ji,
>
> Thanks for the list (and your efforts behind it).
>
> I'm absolutely elated to see Hum Dono, Phir Subah Hogi & Chit Chor
> featuring in this list
>
> Regards-Archisman.
NP, although to be frank we all do it for our own sake !
Yeah these three made it through 5 rounds of shortlisting from ~900 to
100, but I don't think they will be in everyone's list, so happy to
know you share my choice in this matter.
cheers
Saket
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> Yeah these three made it through 5 rounds of shortlisting from ~900 to
> 100, but I don't think they will be in everyone's list, so happy to
> know you share my choice in this matter.
I know this is a personal, hence subjective, exercise (and thanks for
sharing this with us) but...
I want to echo Ashok's lament from the Desert Island Soundtracks event
(1996): Not a single Anil Biswas soundtrack!
C
vijay...@my-deja.com
And no regrets that despite the list starting in 1946, not one
Saigal number makes it...not Shahjehan or Parwana - both in
the time period for this list. And Noorjehan only makes it by the
skin of her teeth.
If Jahanara with a tired Talat makes it, what keeps a sparkling
soundtrack like Bewafa out of the list? Personal choice, that
catch all ....aah, well.
Vijay
Saket
>
> I know this is a personal, hence subjective, exercise (and thanks for
> sharing this with us) but...
>
> I want to echo Ashok's lament from the Desert Island Soundtracks event
> (1996): Not a single Anil Biswas soundtrack!
>
> C
Specifically, I never liked any Anil Biswas soundtrack, though I do
like many others from his era & before. I know he's considered by even
Naushad etc as something special, the one who changed the way hindi
film music was being made etc. But I do not yet know of a AB
soundtrack (3+ super hit songs) which I'd like.
IMO, his contribution might have been more pronounced on technical
side of music making, but I just only cared about true melody, in
making the list. You might say I am too young, but there isn't any AB
song which I hum at all, anytime. Though there are from Shahjahan,
Dulaari, Andaaz, Anmol Ghadi & many more from his times. That tells me
for sure he isn't my choice.
Also, my selection method was not based upon which MD/year/lyricist/
etc etc are being missed out or included. Still, I checked & there are
a few movies surely, which missed out because I didn't find 3+ great
tracks in them.
As you said, and as the appearance of 'I' in the above explains, it's
completely personal :)
I even looked at the list, once made, to try and see which movie I can
take out to insert, for ex Shahjahan, Jaagte Raho, Do Aankhen ...,
Mamta, Boot Polish, Sanjog, etc but there was just none. On the other
hand to keep the list close to my real choice, I intentionally
excluded few recent sound tracks, since they haven't been tested by
time, though I am sure they will pass the test.
Cheers
Saket
Saket
deja.com> wrote:
> On May 16, 7:45 am, Chetan Vinchhi <vinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On May 16, 4:22 pm, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yeah these three made it through 5 rounds of shortlisting from ~900 to
> > > 100, but I don't think they will be in everyone's list, so happy to
> > > know you share my choice in this matter.
>
> > I know this is a personal, hence subjective, exercise (and thanks for
> > sharing this with us) but...
>
> > I want to echo Ashok's lament from the Desert Island Soundtracks event
> > (1996): Not a single Anil Biswas soundtrack!
>
> > C
>
> And no regrets that despite the list starting in 1946, not one
> Saigal number makes it...not Shahjehan or Parwana - both in
> the time period for this list. And Noorjehan only makes it by the
> skin of her teeth.
Shahjahan got excluded in the very last round, only when you work on
the list, you know 100 is too less. Also, I can only count 2 great
tracks in this.
Noorjahan had only 'skin of her teeth' involvement in HFM, so I am not
surprised, heck she's no comparison to even Geeta Dutt or Asha let
alone Lata. No worries for me there :)
>
> If Jahanara with a tired Talat makes it, what keeps a sparkling
> soundtrack like Bewafa out of the list? Personal choice, that
> catch all ....aah, well.
"mai.n terii nazar kaa suruur huu.N" kii baraabarii kar sake aisaa ek
bhii gitt Bewafa mei.n nahii.n. Talat besha.q kuchh thake hue lagte
hai.n .....
I might remove Jahanara next time I do this ! It wasn't a early winner
for me but anyways ....
>
> Vijay
Saket
vijay...@my-deja.com
> On May 16, 7:49 pm, "vijaykum...@my-deja.com" <vijaykum...@my-
>
>
>
>
>
> deja.com> wrote:
> > On May 16, 7:45 am, Chetan Vinchhi <vinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 16, 4:22 pm, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah these three made it through 5 rounds of shortlisting from ~900 to
> > > > 100, but I don't think they will be in everyone's list, so happy to
> > > > know you share my choice in this matter.
>
> > > I know this is a personal, hence subjective, exercise (and thanks for
> > > sharing this with us) but...
>
> > > I want to echo Ashok's lament from the Desert Island Soundtracks event
> > > (1996): Not a single Anil Biswas soundtrack!
>
> > > C
>
> > And no regrets that despite the list starting in 1946, not one
> > Saigal number makes it...not Shahjehan or Parwana - both in
> > the time period for this list. And Noorjehan only makes it by the
> > skin of her teeth.
>
> Shahjahan got excluded in the very last round, only when you work on
> the list, you know 100 is too less. Also, I can only count 2 great
> tracks in this.
>
- jab dil hii TuuT gayaa
- Gam diye mushtaqil
- chaah barabaad karegii hame.n maaluum na thaa
- kar liijiye chal kar mere jannat ke nazaare
Another song,
- mere sapano.n kii raanii, ruuhii ruuhii ruuhii
is also nice, and has the novelty value of being a
Rafi-Saigal duet (Rafi sings one line towards the
end of the song).
Further, it has one delightful Shamshad song,
- jab us ne gesuu bikhaaraaye, baadal aayaa jhuum ke
A lesser Shamshad song is
- javaanii ke daaman ko ra.ngii banaa le.
Enough here to find more than 3 greats.
>
> > If Jahanara with a tired Talat makes it, what keeps a sparkling
> > soundtrack like Bewafa out of the list? Personal choice, that
> > catch all ....aah, well.
>
> "mai.n terii nazar kaa suruur huu.N" kii baraabarii kar sake aisaa ek
> bhii gitt Bewafa mei.n nahii.n. Talat besha.q kuchh thake hue lagte
> hai.n .....
>
> I might remove Jahanara next time I do this ! It wasn't a early winner
> for me but anyways ....
>
>
The songs of Bewafa are not heard as often, I'll
grant, as the songs from Jahanara. The one most often
heard
- tum ko furasat ho merii jaan to idhar dekh to lo
is probably the least deserving of the lot.
I rank the lovely tandem
- dil matavaalaa laakh sambhaalaa
ahead any day. Either the Talat version or the
steal-your-heart Lata version. Same words,
a tune tweaked slightly, and two mermerising
worlds conjured.
Then, there are the other Talat solos
- tuu aaye na aaye terii khushii
- dil milaa dard ko mahamaan banaane ke liye
Each a minor treasure in itself.
And since you rank Lata above Noorjehan and
the rest, you will appreciate songs like
- badanasiibii ka gilaa ai dil-e-barbaad na kar; and
- isii kaa naam duniyaa hai
Shamshad & Geeta provide the bonus tracks
- taanaa der na taanaa, taana der na; &
- aaj re mere dil_rubaa
respectively.
Look, I understand everyone has their own tastes,
and even that is not a fixed entity. If I attempt to
create my top 100, today, I will end up hemming
and hawing and leaving out several favorites, too.
What's worse, I will probably completely rewrite
that list in a day or so.
If you get an opportunity, listen to the tracks I
have listed above. If nothing else, I hope you
will spend a couple of hours in the company of
enjoyable music.
Vijay
ps: Saigal's songs should be available at
Surender Madani's website kundanlalsaigal.com
Kali Hawa
>
> - Show quoted text -
Your list doesn't have Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam (Hemant Kumar)
Saket
In this case have heard them all sometime or other but only first two
are really melodeous, but I'll give the whole soundtrack another try,
together ...
>
>
> > > If Jahanara with a tired Talat makes it, what keeps a sparkling
> > > soundtrack like Bewafa out of the list? Personal choice, that
> > > catch all ....aah, well.
>
> > "mai.n terii nazar kaa suruur huu.N" kii baraabarii kar sake aisaa ek
> > bhii gitt Bewafa mei.n nahii.n. Talat besha.q kuchh thake hue lagte
> > hai.n .....
>
> > I might remove Jahanara next time I do this ! It wasn't a early winner
> > for me but anyways ....
>
> The songs of Bewafa are not heard as often, I'll
> grant, as the songs from Jahanara. The one most often
> heard
> - tum ko furasat ho merii jaan to idhar dekh to lo
> is probably the least deserving of the lot.
> I rank the lovely tandem
> - dil matavaalaa laakh sambhaalaa
> ahead any day. Either the Talat version or the
> steal-your-heart Lata version. Same words,
> a tune tweaked slightly, and two mermerising
> worlds conjured.
>
That one is good enough, but I think it's the only one, others you
have listed do not have anything that catches on.
This is actually the crux on whole matter, a tune can be good
technically, singers doing their best etc etc, but what matters in the
long run is if or not the basic melody has something that can attract
me, I can't define it in words ...
> Then, there are the other Talat solos
> - tuu aaye na aaye terii khushii
> - dil milaa dard ko mahamaan banaane ke liye
> Each a minor treasure in itself.
>
> And since you rank Lata above Noorjehan and
> the rest, you will appreciate songs like
> - badanasiibii ka gilaa ai dil-e-barbaad na kar; and
> - isii kaa naam duniyaa hai
>
> Shamshad & Geeta provide the bonus tracks
> - taanaa der na taanaa, taana der na; &
> - aaj re mere dil_rubaa
> respectively.
>
> Look, I understand everyone has their own tastes,
> and even that is not a fixed entity. If I attempt to
> create my top 100, today, I will end up hemming
> and hawing and leaving out several favorites, too.
> What's worse, I will probably completely rewrite
> that list in a day or so.
Absolutely !
>
> If you get an opportunity, listen to the tracks I
> have listed above. If nothing else, I hope you
> will spend a couple of hours in the company of
> enjoyable music.
I will, thanks for listing the ones you think are good
>
> Vijay
> ps: Saigal's songs should be available at
> Surender Madani's website kundanlalsaigal.com
well, I have to give it a try not don't I :)
Regards
Saket
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> IMO, his contribution might have been more pronounced on technical
> side of music making, but I just only cared about true melody, in
> making the list.
This is curious. His contributions towards defining the sound of the
Hindi film song are undeniable of course. But, more than anything
else, his songs are steeped in melody! He leads the formidable melodic
triumvirate of AB-Roshan-CR and has given us some of the most melodic
numbers ever.
As for "superhits", I don't know if his music has qualified for that
post-50. But if you are looking for 3 great songs, any number of his
soundtracks will give you that (Kismat, Tarana, Aaram, Char Dil Char
Rahen and so on).
C
indigene
times. The average has been above 200 since the 70s. I recently
happened to check the CBFC records.
Vishal
Another huge gaffe in Mr Lall's compilation. He calls "Prem Jogan
Banke" and "Shubh Din Aayo" qawwalis. *Sheesh*. Back to Indian music
101 for him.
surjit singh
> On May 16, 7:49 pm, "vijaykum...@my-deja.com" <vijaykum...@my-
>
>
>
> deja.com> wrote:
> > On May 16, 7:45 am, Chetan Vinchhi <vinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On May 16, 4:22 pm, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Yeah these three made it through 5 rounds of shortlisting from ~900 to
> > > > 100, but I don't think they will be in everyone's list, so happy to
> > > > know you share my choice in this matter.
>
> > > I know this is a personal, hence subjective, exercise (and thanks for
> > > sharing this with us) but...
>
> > > I want to echo Ashok's lament from the Desert Island Soundtracks event
> > > (1996): Not a single Anil Biswas soundtrack!
>
> > > C
>
> > And no regrets that despite the list starting in 1946, not one
> > Saigal number makes it...not Shahjehan or Parwana - both in
> > the time period for this list. And Noorjehan only makes it by the
> > skin of her teeth.
>
> Shahjahan got excluded in the very last round, only when you work on
> the list, you know 100 is too less. Also, I can only count 2 great
> tracks in this.
>
> Noorjahan had only 'skin of her teeth' involvement in HFM, so I am not
She had about 15 movies and 40 songs (in India) many of which are
still being enjoyed by her fans the world over and the rare ones are
being sought after. I have not seen any serious article or book on
Hindi Films/Songs that covers the 40's, to comment on her contribution
this way. If any future writer of such books says something similar,
say, 'NJ is only a footnote in Hindi Cinema', it will be due to that
author's ignorance rather than NJ's contributions that are well-known
and cannot be diminished.
Saket
> On May 16, 12:32 pm, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 16, 7:49 pm, "vijaykum...@my-deja.com" <vijaykum...@my-
>
> > deja.com> wrote:
> > > On May 16, 7:45 am, Chetan Vinchhi <vinc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 16, 4:22 pm, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yeah these three made it through 5 rounds of shortlisting from ~900 to
> > > > > 100, but I don't think they will be in everyone's list, so happy to
> > > > > know you share my choice in this matter.
>
> > > > I know this is a personal, hence subjective, exercise (and thanks for
> > > > sharing this with us) but...
>
> > > > I want to echo Ashok's lament from the Desert Island Soundtracks event
> > > > (1996): Not a single Anil Biswas soundtrack!
>
> > > > C
>
> > > And no regrets that despite the list starting in 1946, not one
> > > Saigal number makes it...not Shahjehan or Parwana - both in
> > > the time period for this list. And Noorjehan only makes it by the
> > > skin of her teeth.
>
> > Shahjahan got excluded in the very last round, only when you work on
> > the list, you know 100 is too less. Also, I can only count 2 great
> > tracks in this.
>
> > Noorjahan had only 'skin of her teeth' involvement in HFM, so I am not
>
> She had about 15 movies and 40 songs (in India) many of which are
> still being enjoyed by her fans the world over and the rare ones are
Let's not talk about rare ones here please ! This group is way
overboard about rare ones, this exercise wasn't about rare gems, but
about the ones that are more or less universally acclaimed.
> being sought after. I have not seen any serious article or book on
> Hindi Films/Songs that covers the 40's, to comment on her contribution
> this way. If any future writer of such books says something similar,
such books ? don't know sir what you are saying here ....
> say, 'NJ is only a footnote in Hindi Cinema', it will be due to that
> author's ignorance rather than NJ's contributions that are well-known
It may well be ignorance, but certainly NOT lopsided/unnecessary use
of math belief that the 'Quality' of 30's 40's 50's 60's music is 1.0
0.5 0.2 0.1 ....
> and cannot be diminished.
>
> > surprised, heck she's no comparison to even Geeta Dutt or Asha let
> > alone Lata. No worries for me there :)
>
So, Shrimaan ji, out of 8 decades (including 30's here as well !),
only 1 & out of god knows how many movies only 15 & out of still
larger # of songs only 40 !!
Oh my god she truly was the brightest star ever on this planet wasn't
she :)
That was just mathematical, but still, one can only judge from the
output in such an exercise, since this isn't a please all. It's
certainly not aimed at making sure all are represented.
Please remember the perspective here, 100 soundtracks from these 7-8
decades, the ones that still rock me, that's all, everything said is
in that perspective.
regards
S
Saket
> On May 17, 12:19 am, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > IMO, his contribution might have been more pronounced on technical
> > side of music making, but I just only cared about true melody, in
> > making the list.
>
> This is curious. His contributions towards defining the sound of the
> Hindi film song are undeniable of course. But, more than anything
> else, his songs are steeped in melody!
maaf kare.n par aisaa nahii.n hai merii nazar me.n, ye bhii kah sakate
hai.n aisaa ehasaas nahii.n hu_aa ab tak
> He leads the formidable melodic triumvirate of AB-Roshan-CR and has given us some of the most
> melodic numbers ever.
>
Chetan Saahab, is rishtedaarii par meharabaanii kar ke kuchh aur
roshanii Daale.n
> As for "superhits", I don't know if his music has qualified for that
> post-50. But if you are looking for 3 great songs, any number of his
> soundtracks will give you that (Kismat, Tarana, Aaram, Char Dil Char
> Rahen and so on).
>
> C
I can pick a lot of other soundtracks & might be able to make a place
in the '100' in the list, but none of these you mentioned can replace
anything in this list.
The bound of 100 is the problem, but it's part of fun also I guess.
On the whole, there is a gulf between SJ, RDB, SDB, Naushad, MM, OPN,
CR, KA, Roshan, Salil, Khaiyyam, Ravi & LP (Yes that's right) on the
one side & Others (AB, Sajjad are like Prez & VP of this council of )
as far as popularity of their music output is concerned.
Of course, there are many like Jaidev, Chitragupt, KP, N.Datta,
PMullick, SNT, UK, VD who also are in first group. As there are some
others who are in second. It's only on RMIM that I have seen such hero
worship for the Prez & VP though.
If these were really so good, why vividh bharati, for ex, don't play
them extensively (not the birth/death centenary programs) ?
Not that any reason is required for listening / ignoring them but
'popular' they are certainly not even for average old time music
lovers.
Saket
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> Chetan Saahab, is rishtedaarii par meharabaanii kar ke kuchh aur
> roshanii Daale.n
It is generally acknowledged that both Roshan and CR were heavily
influenced by AB. They have drawn their melodic elements from AB's
music. CR had even been on a bhaarat-darshan with AB and another
eminent MD (Ghulam Haider?) where they observed, analyzed, "collected"
different types of folk and other musics. AB unabashedly acknowledged
various influences on his music and claimed most MDs were similarly
influenced, with the possible exception of Sajjad - Jay, please note!
In a nutshell, AB was a father/guru-figure for both CR and Roshan.
Typically, those who like songs of one of these will also like songs
of the other two. Exceptions do exist :)
> On the whole, there is a gulf between SJ, RDB, SDB, Naushad, MM, OPN,
> CR, KA, Roshan, Salil, Khaiyyam, Ravi & LP (Yes that's right) on the
> one side & Others (AB, Sajjad are like Prez & VP of this council of )
> as far as popularity of their music output is concerned.
I will not hurl the obvious allegations at you for saying this :)
> It's only on RMIM that I have seen such hero
> worship for the Prez & VP though.
The greatness of AB has been widely accepted, well before RMIM came
into existence. And such praise is richly deserved.
> If these were really so good, why vividh bharati, for ex, don't play
> them extensively (not the birth/death centenary programs) ?
Do you consider VB playlists to be the ultimate yardsticks of
greatness?
> Not that any reason is required for listening / ignoring them but
> 'popular' they are certainly not even for average old time music
> lovers.
You are the only old music lover I have come across who does not like
songs like "siine me.n sulagate hai.n aramaa.N", "man me.n kisii kii
priit basaa le", "kachchii hai umariyaa", "dhiire dhiire aa re baadal"
etc.
C
Saket
> On May 21, 1:55 am, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Chetan Saahab, is rishtedaarii par meharabaanii kar ke kuchh aur
> > roshanii Daale.n
>
> It is generally acknowledged that both Roshan and CR were heavily
> influenced by AB. They have drawn their melodic elements from AB's
> music. CR had even been on a bhaarat-darshan with AB and another
> eminent MD (Ghulam Haider?) where they observed, analyzed, "collected"
> different types of folk and other musics. AB unabashedly acknowledged
> various influences on his music and claimed most MDs were similarly
> influenced, with the possible exception of Sajjad - Jay, please note!
>
> In a nutshell, AB was a father/guru-figure for both CR and Roshan.
> Typically, those who like songs of one of these will also like songs
> of the other two. Exceptions do exist :)
>
:) guruu gu.D hii rahe chele chiinii ho ga_e
> > On the whole, there is a gulf between SJ, RDB, SDB, Naushad, MM, OPN,
> > CR, KA, Roshan, Salil, Khaiyyam, Ravi & LP (Yes that's right) on the
> > one side & Others (AB, Sajjad are like Prez & VP of this council of )
> > as far as popularity of their music output is concerned.
>
> I will not hurl the obvious allegations at you for saying this :)
>
> > It's only on RMIM that I have seen such hero
> > worship for the Prez & VP though.
>
> The greatness of AB has been widely accepted, well before RMIM came
> into existence. And such praise is richly deserved.
>
> > If these were really so good, why vividh bharati, for ex, don't play
> > them extensively (not the birth/death centenary programs) ?
>
> Do you consider VB playlists to be the ultimate yardsticks of
> greatness?
>
Certainly, the talk of most valid is being mathematical, but it's a
valid sample in any case for the popularity & at least an acceptable
sample for quality output. Is there any other 'sample' that comes to
mind ?
> > Not that any reason is required for listening / ignoring them but
> > 'popular' they are certainly not even for average old time music
> > lovers.
>
> You are the only old music lover I have come across who does not like
> songs like "siine me.n sulagate hai.n aramaa.N", "man me.n kisii kii
> priit basaa le", "kachchii hai umariyaa", "dhiire dhiire aa re baadal"
> etc.
>
> C
Now the first one is a gem certainly, so is Dil Jalata Hai, but I need
a hat-trick in a single movie, he hasn't done that IMO.
Oh, one more thing, just checked Taraana (1951) on ISB, strange that
till 2002, only Siine me.n ... was transliterated, of course then came
the urge to increase the # of entries, certainly helped by the wave
known as V S Rawat & lo n behold it's spilling out now !
Those who were more dependent on sweet memory, wouldn't recall
anything beyond Siine me.n from this soundtrack as late as 1951. Not
the best source I know, since nothing is best :)
I don't think we are going to convince each other, but it's fun
nevertheless.
regards
Saket
dhun to aisii ho ke saalo.n tak yaad rahe
Chetan Vinchhi
>
> > Do you consider VB playlists to be the ultimate yardsticks of
> > greatness?
>
> Certainly, the talk of most valid is being mathematical, but it's a
> valid sample in any case for the popularity & at least an acceptable
> sample for quality output. Is there any other 'sample' that comes to
> mind ?
Well, you started out by saying you don't find AB's music melodic. And
then you flash a VB list at me saying look no AB here hence he is not
great. That is okay if you are building a case against AB's popularity
- I would readily concede that point. But popularity and greatness are
not always tightly correlated. While the great Bhabhi Ki Chudiyan song
"jyoti kalash chhalake" is extremely popular, can you explain the
abject obscurity of the other great Lata solo from the same film?
> Now the first one is a gem certainly, so is Dil Jalata Hai, but I need
> a hat-trick in a single movie, he hasn't done that IMO.
Which 3 songs do you find great in Saraswatichandra (just a film that
caught my eye in your list which I think has decent but not great
music)?
> Oh, one more thing, just checked Taraana (1951) on ISB, strange that
> till 2002, only Siine me.n ... was transliterated
Did you also check how many songs of each of your 100 soundtracks was
transliterated by that time?
> Those who were more dependent on sweet memory, wouldn't recall
> anything beyond Siine me.n from this soundtrack as late as 1951. Not
> the best source I know, since nothing is best :)
At least in my case there is no memory since I did not live in those
times. It was more of a case of going back and discovering those gems.
Quite often it would be isolated tracks that would mesmerize me. For
instance, I stumbled upon the slow version of "ik pal ruk jaanaa"
thanks to Raju Bharatan (?!) and fell in love with it. It was only
decades later that I came across the other songs of Rahi.
> I don't think we are going to convince each other, but it's fun
> nevertheless.
I still hope I can convince you :)
C
Saket
> On May 21, 10:40 pm, Saket <sake...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > > Do you consider VB playlists to be the ultimate yardsticks of
> > > greatness?
>
> > Certainly, the talk of most valid is being mathematical, but it's a
> > valid sample in any case for the popularity & at least an acceptable
> > sample for quality output. Is there any other 'sample' that comes to
> > mind ?
>
> Well, you started out by saying you don't find AB's music melodic. And
> then you flash a VB list at me saying look no AB here hence he is not
> great. That is okay if you are building a case against AB's popularity
> - I would readily concede that point. But popularity and greatness are
> not always tightly correlated. While the great Bhabhi Ki Chudiyan song
> "jyoti kalash chhalake" is extremely popular, can you explain the
> abject obscurity of the other great Lata solo from the same film?
>
Let's define 'great' here shall we ? I can't do it succinctly, though.
Besides & before great lyrics & singing & even before the arranger
sets up the orchestra there has to be something in the basic tune
itself.
I think some MD's really knew what it takes to make a tune that people
will remember as great in this context. Shankar (SJ) mentiones this in
passing, while telling the host on Phool Khile Hain .... why he
preferred tune first, lyrics later, in general.
I can't say, may be the meter, the raag, whatever, there is something
that can make a tune click, & it doesn't matter then if it's in an
obscure movie, un-popular actors (you know the examples I am sure) it
will be a hit it will be remembered.
AB's music has not more than very few songs which I would like to
listen again, I can't have any better arguments than that.
> > Now the first one is a gem certainly, so is Dil Jalata Hai, but I need
> > a hat-trick in a single movie, he hasn't done that IMO.
>
> Which 3 songs do you find great in Saraswatichandra (just a film that
> caught my eye in your list which I think has decent but not great
> music)?
>
cha.Ndan saa badan, hamane apanaa sab kuchh khoyaa, chho.D de saari
duniyaa
Indeevar/Mukesh/Lata has done brilliant work here offcourse, but even
the basic tune is too good.
> > Oh, one more thing, just checked Taraana (1951) on ISB, strange that
> > till 2002, only Siine me.n ... was transliterated
>
> Did you also check how many songs of each of your 100 soundtracks was
> transliterated by that time?
>
> > Those who were more dependent on sweet memory, wouldn't recall
> > anything beyond Siine me.n from this soundtrack as late as 1951. Not
> > the best source I know, since nothing is best :)
>
> At least in my case there is no memory since I did not live in those
> times. It was more of a case of going back and discovering those gems.
> Quite often it would be isolated tracks that would mesmerize me. For
> instance, I stumbled upon the slow version of "ik pal ruk jaanaa"
> thanks to Raju Bharatan (?!) and fell in love with it. It was only
> decades later that I came across the other songs of Rahi.
>
A great soundtrack has to be on the memory, no need to see archives
for that surely ! On the other hand as you said it's certainly
possible to have a song here & there which escaped public memory which
is very good & that's why we take all the pain to keep trying to find
even more of them.
> > I don't think we are going to convince each other, but it's fun
> > nevertheless.
>
> I still hope I can convince you :)
>
> C
If you can do that, I'll have some extra pieces of good music to
enjoy. I prefer that even if that means changing the 100 list :)
But as far as AB's music is concerned, I am not for it. Even Voh tere
pyaar ka Gam (My Love) is a better composition than what he had to
give us (this is playing right now as I write this comment, nothing
else) . Certainly he worked in a different era when HFM was in a
nascent stage but the list of 100 is of the very best available. It's
not to please all & definitely not to mention every credit worthy
music director since 1930.
cheers
Saket
p.s. I admire your spirit to continue this thread, kudos sir !
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
Not to intrude on a private duel, but brilliant is far overstating.
Not that Anil Biswas never composed straightforward tunes for the
situation, but the first two listed here in particular are nursery
rhymes compared to Anil Biswas' best melodic stuff IMO.
Sanjeev
Saket
Please enlighten me if your decision making process regarding the
brilliance of a tune (only the basic melody if it is) is an abstract
one, as it's mine, or there is something else specific that makes a
tune good ?
The word 'straightforward' & 'nursery rhymes' suggests you look for
great variation in sur-taal, not easy to compose tunes, days-in-work
(over-killing it IMO) may be ?
If you can take example of any particular song (even if AB) that'd be
helpful.
Saket
Forgot to add -
If you do decide to do this, let's not choose either of these (AB).
They are good enough songs IMO.
Dil Jalataa Hai To Jalane De
Jiivan Sapanaa Tuut Gayaa
Aye Dil Mujhe Aisii Jagah
Siine Me.n Sulagate Hai.n Aramaan
Cheers
Saket
Afzal A. Khan
> Forgot to add -
>
> If you do decide to do this, let's not choose either of these (AB).
> They are good enough songs IMO.
>
> Dil Jalataa Hai To Jalane De
> Jiivan Sapanaa Tuut Gayaa
> Aye Dil Mujhe Aisii Jagah
> Siine Me.n Sulagate Hai.n Aramaan
>
> Saket
Sorry for intervening in this debate.
I think another song deserves to be included here :
"Na dir deem ta na dere na....na ja na ja balam, balam mere na"
"Pardesi"
Also, there is a well-known Tagore song and AB adapted that tune
for another memorable song for "Angulimaal" :
"Madhu~ras ke bhare tore chaNchal nainaaN"
There is some dispute whether the above song was actually used
in the film. I have a faint memory that it was. The film itself
is more or less forgotten and I doubt if its VHS or DVD is
available today.
On a related note, there can never be a unanimous choice for the
"100 Greatest" in any field. To each his own and all that.
It is my personal view, though, that any such list should also be
a sort of commentary on the gradual development of any particular
art-form. If we are compiling a list of Urdu poets, we should
discuss including someone like Wali, who was a pioneer in this
field, although his l7th century Urdu is a far cry from the modern
language. If a list of great aviators is prepared, should we
exclude the Wright Brothers ?
Anil Biswas was an important "milestone" in the development of
Indian film music. Just my opinion. No 'flames' please !
Afzal
dn.usenet
"Afzal A. Khan" <me_a...@invalid.invalid> wrote :
>
> On a related note, there can never be a unanimous choice for the
> "100 Greatest" in any field. To each his own and all that.
> It is my personal view, though, that any such list should also be
> a sort of commentary on the gradual development of any particular
> art-form. If we are compiling a list of Urdu poets, we should
> discuss including someone like Wali, who was a pioneer in this
> field, although his l7th century Urdu is a far cry from the modern
> language. If a list of great aviators is prepared, should we
> exclude the Wright Brothers ?
>
> Anil Biswas was an important "milestone" in the development of
> Indian film music. Just my opinion. No 'flames' please !
>
R C Boral and Anil Biswas were important milestones not
just in the sense that they were active right from the first decade
of the talkie films but they also set standards which few MDs
have approached since.
This guy Saket is almost as big an ass as the ass whose
list was originally posted to start off this thread by
you-know-who ass. Saket may be an open-minded fool
but he is a fool still. And he is an ignorant fool to boot,
too, pathetically claiming that he has seen hero-worship
of Anil Biswas only on RMIM. I can easily come up
with a list of 5 composers who regarded AB as being
worthy of a guru-figure: C Ramchandra, Sudhir Phadke,
Roshan, Yeshwant Deo (who has 'composed' some
Marathi songs using Anilda's tunes as his tribute to
his favourite MD), and O P Nayyar whose regard for
Anilda, when they were judges for SaReGaMa around
1997, was plain for everybody to see. It could be my
imagination but Naushad was squirming that OP was
being so deferential to AB and almost totally ignoring
Naushad. To his credit, Naushad himself paid Anil-da
fulsome tribute when he spoke during the programme.
.
It is a mystery what makes an ignoramus like Saket
think that he is qualified to post his list of favourites
on a public forum, and in the process only display
his shallow taste for everybody to laugh at.
It is unfortunate that the nature of internet makes
it far too democratic a medium. It is sometimes
a strength but more often it is a weakness.
Saket
That's a valid point, my list wasn't constructed for that purpose
clearly. It's aim was to help me in future to get a better sort than
usual on the best albums.
> Anil Biswas was an important "milestone" in the development of
> Indian film music. Just my opinion. No 'flames' please !
>
> Afzal
I think the WBs comparison is very apt, if you bring in 747 or Mig-29
into comparison. His music 'might' be a great leap in his era, that
too technically IMO mostly, but there were much better times ahead !
Why would anyone travel in WB plane when such better aircrafts are
available !!
But then Naushad & some others seem to have crack the code during his
era as well .....and also HFM hasn't got better the way Aviation has
over last 50 years, anyway.
Thanks Afzal Saahab for lending this comparison to me :)
Saket
ek bharateeya
>
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>
> :) guruu gu.D hii rahe chele chiinii ho ga_e
>
not necessarily!
guru composes 100 great songs, releases them two per movie.
chele together compose 75 excellent songs, release them three per
movie.
of course, using the logic/criteria set within this thread, 25 of the
chele movies will be selected but none of the guru's. but who is
smarter - guru or the chelas?
- e.b.
>
>
>
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>
> regards
> Saket
>
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