Guru Dutt, O.P. Nayyar, and Bahaaren Phir Bhi Aayengi (1966)
Asif
released in 1966. I just wanted to know if Guru Dutt had signed O.P.
Nayyar for the film before he died, or was it Atmaram (who completed
the film) did?
Also, does anyone know if Guru Dutt and O.P. Nayyar fell out (for some
reasons) after C.I.D. (1956), or Guru Dutt just wanted to work with
S.D. Burman? If they indeed parted, what was the reason behind it?
Asif
Sukesh
"Sahib Bibi Aur Ghulam" , Guru Dutt needed sombre music, which he must
have felt that OPN would not be able to justice.
IIRC, Guru Dutt did sign OPN for "Baharen Phir Bhi Aeyengi". However, the
music was not upto the standards set by Guru Dutt's Films and OPN's own.
Pedestrian is the word.
Regards
Sukesh
Sukesh
'Kaneez' in colour with (hold your breadth) with Shankar Jaikishan.
Madhubala was to play the title role with Guru Dutt in the male lead.
In those days, every issue of Filmfare had one page ad by Eastman Color
Laboratories listing forthcoming films in colour. Kaneez was listed in
couple of ads.
The other films which did not see the light of the day were
1) 'Megh Malhar' - a sequel in colour to 'Basant Bahar'. I think, it
remained on the drawing board so to speak.
2) Fali Mistry's ' Sajan Ki Galiyaan' - a Dev Anand & Sadhana starrer. It
was left incomplete and I think some scenes and songs were shown in
"Film Hi Film' (1983). I have one song by Rafi on tape.
SJ were the composers for both the films.
Those were the days.
Regards
Sukesh
Abhay Jain
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I did like one Asha song from this film, "Koi Keh De Keh De"
picturized on Tanuja.
AJ
> Regards
> Sukesh
>
Ketan
Originally Guru Dutt had signed SDB for "Baharen Phir Bhi Aayengi". SDB had even
composed a tune based on the "Bridge on the River Kwai" theme, which he later
used for "Jewel Thief". SDB then had (what else?) his perennial heart attack.
There are discrepancies on whether he himself gave up BPBA alongwith Gumnaam and
Love in Tokyo or whether he was dropped by the producers for financial reasons
due to his illness. We do know from other reports that he did tell Dev Anand to
drop him from "Guide" since he had done just one song and to take some other MD
and Dev Anand had refused saying if need be, he would release Guide with just
that one song. He was the only person who stood by and waited for SDB to
recover.
Needless to say Guru Dutt dropped SDB for OPN but he died before the movie was
completed and Atmaram finished it. I can understand going back to OPN but what
perplexes me is, if Guru Dutt had planned "Raaz" with RDB, why not offer BPBA to
RDB when SDB took ill? I am assuming after the box-office failures of Sahib
Biwi...and Chaudhvi Ka Chand, Guru Dutt decided to play it safe and went with a
tried and tested MD as opposed to someone who was 1 movie old, and whose father
would not be around to help him filch some "baap ka maal".
Ketan
Sukesh
OPN's usual standard.
BTW, Tanuja was brilliant in the film.
Regards
Sukesh
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> In article <1170286395.384985.203...@a34g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>, Asif says...
> Needless to say Guru Dutt dropped SDB for OPN but he died before the movie was
> completed and Atmaram finished it. I can understand going back to OPN but what
> perplexes me is, if Guru Dutt had planned "Raaz" with RDB, why not offer BPBA to
> RDB when SDB took ill? I am assuming after the box-office failures of Sahib
> Biwi...and Chaudhvi Ka Chand, Guru Dutt decided to play it safe and went with a
> tried and tested MD as opposed to someone who was 1 movie old, and whose father
> would not be around to help him filch some "baap ka maal".
Chaudhvin Ka Chand, a box office failure? Was it really?
Sanjeev
Sukesh
Regards
SUkesh
Asif
> Originally Guru Dutt had signed SDB for "Baharen Phir Bhi Aayengi". SDB had even
> composed a tune based on the "Bridge on the River Kwai" theme, which he later
> used for "Jewel Thief". SDB then had (what else?) his perennial heart attack.
> There are discrepancies on whether he himself gave up BPBA alongwith Gumnaam and
> Love in Tokyo or whether he was dropped by the producers for financial reasons
> due to his illness. We do know from other reports that he did tell Dev Anand to
> drop him from "Guide" since he had done just one song and to take some other MD
> and Dev Anand had refused saying if need be, he would release Guide with just
> that one song. He was the only person who stood by and waited for SDB to
> recover.
>
> Needless to say Guru Dutt dropped SDB for OPN but he died before the movie was
> completed and Atmaram finished it. I can understand going back to OPN but what
> perplexes me is, if Guru Dutt had planned "Raaz" with RDB, why not offer BPBA to
> RDB when SDB took ill? I am assuming after the box-office failures of Sahib
> Biwi...and Chaudhvi Ka Chand, Guru Dutt decided to play it safe and went with a
> tried and tested MD as opposed to someone who was 1 movie old, and whose father
> would not be around to help him filch some "baap ka maal".
>
> Ketan
Oh, I completely forgot that Guru Dutt had signed SDB first for
Bahaaren Phir Bhi Aayengi, and SDB had composed a tune for 'Badal
jaaye agar maali' and finally used it for 'Ye dil na hota
bechaara' (Jewel Thief). I believe that it was SDB who dropped out,
not that Guru Dutt had dropped him. SDB was too high-profile and
reputed to be dropped like that. Just like he offered to quit Guide,
he wanted to quit other films too and, I believe, he did without
wasting the producers' time and resources. Even if Guru Dutt, and not
Atmaram, had dropped him for BPBA, he (being a royalty) would not have
worked with this production house again, but later he did Atmaram's
Yeh Gulishtan Hamaara (1972).
I read somewhere many years ago that he withdrew from not only Love In
Tokyo and Gumnaam but also from Teesri Manzil and Anupama. Does
anybody know more about these two drops? All I know is Nasir Hussain
had signed him and Dev for Teesri Manzil, then SDB quit for health
reasons, and finally Dev quit for other reasons, one of them probably
being the absence of SDB's motivating music. So, Nasir first signed
Shammi Kapoor and then RDB on director Vijay Anand's recommendation.
Shammi wanted SJ, but destiny wanted RDB, and the rest is history.
The biggest puzzle to me is why Pramod Chakraborty did not return to
SDB, or sign RDB, for Tumse Achchha Kaun Hai (1969). SDB had given
him a hit, albeit a sub-standard, score earlier in Ziddi (1964). But
the filmmaker repeated SJ for TAKH apparently because their super hit
music earlier in Love In Tokyo. However, Shammi Kapoor (hero of TAKH)
and RDB had already set a landmark in Teesri Manzil in the same year
when Love In Tokyo made waves - 1966. I am surprised that neither
Shammi did anything to get RDB in TAKH nor Pramod Chakraborty showed
any faith in SDB or RDB, especially since he returned to the Burmans
full-time anyway throughout the 1970s beginning right with his next
film Naya Zamana (1971). Even more puzzling is why Vijay Anand did
not choose RDB for Johny Mera Naam (1970) when he had himself scripted
the composer's famous launch into big time earlier. This action
thriller would have been tailor-made for RDB's spry music to fit
perfectly into it. But I still liked what KA did in it, especially 'O
mere raaja khafa na hona'.
Actually, I cannot figure out why RDB did not get big banners between
1966-70, except 3 Nasir Hussain films and a Padosan (1968) here or a
Abhilasha (1968) there. His career took off only after the hit music
in Pyar Ka Mausam (1969) and, for all practical purposes, Aradhana
(1969), and only then he got other big films that would be released in
1971 - Kati Patang, Mela, Adhikar, and Buddha Mil Gaya. Anyway, can
someone recall how that Rafi stunner 'Ek bechaara pyaar ka
maara' (Waris, 1969) fared on popularity scale then. I believe it was
a hit and spawned another Jeetendra starrer titled Ek Bechara (1971).
By the way, did Shammi Kapoor ever do any film by S.D. Burman? I fail
to visualize him dancing and jumping to SDB's graceful and polished
tunes - the two just don't match in my imagination. Not that I am
even suggesting that I am not a Shammi Kapoor fan (I am a big one),
but suddenly I realize that his 'junglee' image rocks with the music
of only SJ, OPN, and RDB (alas just one).
Finally, I am surprised to know that Chaudhvin Ka Chand had flopped.
I always thought it was one of the biggest hits of 1960 and gave Guru
Dutt enough financial freedom to delve back into another tragedy
(Sahab Bibi Aur Ghulam, 1962). No, I am not saying the film was
depressing. It remains one of my top favorite films; however, it was
not meant for masses and, not surprisingly, it flopped. As for Guru
Dutt not taking RDB for BPBA, I would not have done it either because
RDB had not really proved himself by then. However, I often tend to
think that SDB was probably too reluctant to recommend his son to his
filmmaker friends or he had possibly underrated him too much in those
days. The second theory holds more water to me, and, that's why, it
is easy to picture a Guru Dutt or a Pramod Chakraborty unimpressed
with RDB when his own dad had nothing good to say about him. But
that's ok. Who knows what other storms besides Teesri Manzil the
talented son might have brought about in those calm days if he got to
do more plum projects then?
Asif
Asif
>
> The other films which did not see the light of the day were
> 1) 'Megh Malhar' - a sequel in colour to 'Basant Bahar'. I think, it
> remained on the drawing board so to speak.
Who started this movie and who starred in it?
> 2) Fali Mistry's ' Sajan Ki Galiyaan' - a Dev Anand & Sadhana starrer. It
> was left incomplete and I think some scenes and songs were shown in
> "Film Hi Film' (1983). I have one song by Rafi on tape.
I always knew that Raj Khosla was making this film. Was Fali Mistry
producing it?
Asif
Srinivas Ganti
> By the way, did Shammi Kapoor ever do any film by S.D. Burman? I fail
> to visualize him dancing and jumping to SDB's graceful and polished
> tunes - the two just don't match in my imagination. Not that I am
> even suggesting that I am not a Shammi Kapoor fan (I am a big one),
> but suddenly I realize that his 'junglee' image rocks with the music
> of only SJ, OPN, and RDB (alas just one).
Well SDB scored the music for Shammi Kapoors debut movie Jeevan Jyoti
(1953).
Shammi got his image on, with Tumsa Nahin Dekha and Dil Deke Dekho. In
the early part of his career his roles were quite different.
Abhay Jain
"Srinivas Ganti" <sga...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 1, 7:02 pm, "Asif" <alvi.a...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> By the way, did Shammi Kapoor ever do any film by S.D. Burman? I fail
>> to visualize him dancing and jumping to SDB's graceful and polished
>> tunes - the two just don't match in my imagination. Not that I am
>> even suggesting that I am not a Shammi Kapoor fan (I am a big one),
>> but suddenly I realize that his 'junglee' image rocks with the music
>> of only SJ, OPN, and RDB (alas just one).
>
> Well SDB scored the music for Shammi Kapoors debut movie Jeevan Jyoti
> (1953).
>
I am yet to see a more depressing movie than Jeevan Jyoti.
AJ
Sukesh
to play the leading role. I do not remember who was to produce and direct
it.
"Sajan Ki Galiyan" - you are probably right Raj Khosla must have been the
director, I do not remember. Fali Mistry must have been the producer.
Regards
Sukesh
Ketan
>I am yet to see a more depressing movie than Jeevan Jyoti.
Try sitting thru Meena Kumari in "Sahara", music IIRC by Hemant Kumar. One or
two good songs but at the end I have no idea why the movie was even made in the
first place. There is no time or place to fit in a dhona, just rona and more
rona.
Ketan
Ketan
>The biggest puzzle to me is why Pramod Chakraborty did not return to
>SDB, or sign RDB, for Tumse Achchha Kaun Hai (1969). SDB had given
Because despite Teesri Manzil, Shammi was a staunch S-J campwallah. Even OPN
barely managed 3 movies: Tumsa Nahin Dekha, Basant and KKK with Shammi and could
not break into the Shammi/S-J love fest.
>Even more puzzling is why Vijay Anand did
>not choose RDB for Johny Mera Naam (1970) when he had himself scripted
>the composer's famous launch into big time earlier. This action
>thriller would have been tailor-made for RDB's spry music to fit
>perfectly into it. But I still liked what KA did in it, especially 'O
>mere raaja khafa na hona'.
That was Gulshan Rai's choice and Vijay Anand had nothing to do with it. He
wanted K-A, but he wanted to check with Dev Anand first if that was ok. Dev
Anand okayed it partly because he did not believe in interfering in the choices
of other producers and partly because he did like K-A who had given him a good
song in Mahal(?) just a year or two earlier.
Ketan
Srinivas Ganti
http://www.boxofficeindia.com/1960.htm
confirms that.
Asif
>
> http://www.boxofficeindia.com/1960.htm
> confirms that.
That's a nice website. But I am a bit doubtful about its accuracy.
Who maintains it? I clearly remember a detailed article from a 1974
issue of Filmfare, where the author talked about 3 biggest hits of
1974: Bobby, Yaadon Ki Baraat, and Gupt Gyan. Although Bobby was
released in Aug 1973, it continued to crash box-office records in 1974
too. Yaadon Ki Baraat was released in Nov 1973, but picked up steam
only in 1974 - the website lists it just as a 'hit'. I believe it was
a super hit film. There is no mention of Gupt Gyan anywhere.
Also, I do not believe that Deewaar was just a 'hit', as the website
claims. It was a 'blockbuster'. Kabhi Kabhie was super hit, not just
'semi hit', as the website says.
Asif