Kumar Shanu or Udit Narayan
JUKY1
I guess it time to start a new controversy.
I would like to what you guys(/ladies) think of Kumar Shanu and Udit
Narayan. Since most of you people (at RMIM) usually only talk usually
about olden day's singers I wonder what you have to say when comparing the
new singers...
Kumar Shanu in my opnion is a very versitile singer and can sing a wide
range of songs pertaining to different situation. He can sings almost
every type of song very well especially emotinal, seriously romantic songs,
and sad songs. However after hearing one or two of his devotional songs I
must say he doesn't have for that type of song. Udit on the other hand can
sing I believe only one type of songs ie. festive/entertainent type (I
think he does a slightly better job than Kumar Shanu at it) and has serious
problems when it comes to changing his tone and mood for other types of songs.
Well lets start the ball rolling and we continue from there...
Hyper One
Well, I am pretty sure this specific question is nothing new, it's
probably been discussed before. Here are my opinions on the two
singers.
Commercially, Sanu he is probably the best singer in Bollywood today
based on what he has done in the last 5-7 years. In terms of singing
talent, however, the same cannot be said. In certain songs, he sounds
very good but his trademark "heh-heh before every song" style does not
suit all types of songs. It's actually quite repetitive and entirely
unsuitable in some. I disagree that Udit can only sing one type of
song. It can't be forgotten that his most recognized songs (to-date)
are from "Qayamat Se Qayamat Tak", in which not one song can be
classified as festive/entertainment (maybe Papa kehte hain?). Also,
more recently, he has proven with hits like "Pehla nasha", "Jaadu teri
nazar", "Ghar se nikalte hi", "Jaadu bhari aankhon waali", just to name
a few, that he can do justice to romantic songs as well.
As far as singing talent....I would have to say that's an entirely new
controversial topic :)
Regards.
abhishek_chandra
Thanx for setting the ball rolling.
I think Sanu could have been a better singer had he not had the problem of
running out of breath in mid-sentence. No doubt the guy tries hard inspite of
all that panting.
Listen to : "Dilbar ka, dilbar ka.." ("Ghoonghat ki aar se"),
"Khayee hai, khayee hai" ("Tumhe apna banane ki")
Secondly, I feel the nasal twinge becomes a bit too much at times. The guy can't
sing a single high note without turning his nose up.
As far as Udit Narayan goes, I think he's the only decent male singer around
these days. He has an original voice and tries to put in a lot of soul into his
songs. It is absurd to suggest that he is good only at festive songs.
Listen to : "Pehla nasha" ( I feel it's the song of the decade),
"Raja ko rani se",
"Ghar se nikalte hi",
He seems to have a very youthful voice, which makes a hero sound more manly.
To compare Sanu and Udit, just listen to the two versions of "Pardesi, pardesi"
and the differnce is obvious.
Hoping to hear various counter-views as well as supporting ones to this one.
Kuntal Shah
Abhishek, Chandra wrote:
> As far as Udit Narayan goes, I think he's the only decent male singer around
> these days. He has an original voice and tries to put in a lot of soul into his
> songs.
What ? You haven't heard of Abhijit ? I think he is better than these
two.
Udit has pronounciation problem. Let me know if you do not agree and
need
examples.
BTW, Suresh Wadkar is not singing much, but Hariharan is best of all.
He can beat all these guys hands down, on any type of songs.
--
Best Regards,
Kuntal. ( kun...@india.ti.com )
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U.V. Ravindra
Kuntal Shah wrote:
>
> What ? You haven't heard of Abhijit ? I think he is better than
> these two.
May be, but he's too ebullient to fit into sad songs. Udit does
those well, as well as the slower and "mellowdious" [is that another
"(c)UVR" thing, like "scene on the screen"? :)] ones.
> Udit has pronounciation problem. Let me know if you do not agree and
> need examples.
I do not agree. Give examples.
Incidentally, he goes off-key in "ghar se nikalte hi" from Papa Kahte
Hain.
> BTW, Suresh Wadkar is not singing much, but Hariharan is best of
> all. He can beat all these guys hands down, on any type of songs.
Hmm ... no, not on the boisterous, jumpy, yahoo-yuppie type of songs.
I don't recall him having sung any of those really, and I don't think
he'd do a good job of them. He can't beat these guys "hands down",
though his is the best voice amongst the currently active singers
(I'm counting Yesudas out of this, and in any case, he's got terrible
accent problems -- just listen to him go "apni hi 'dun' meiN chale
haiN" in "o bhaNvre" from Daud).
--
Ravindra.
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
"U.V. Ravindra" <ravi...@informix.com> writes:
> > BTW, Suresh Wadkar is not singing much, but Hariharan is best of
> > all. He can beat all these guys hands down, on any type of songs.
> Hmm ... no, not on the boisterous, jumpy, yahoo-yuppie type of
> songs. I don't recall him having sung any of those really, and I
> don't think he'd do a good job of them. He can't beat these guys
> "hands down", though his is the best voice amongst the currently
> active singers
My memory fails me in this old age --- does Hariharan have a
part in 'fuuTpaatho.n ke ham rahanewaale' from Mashaal? I recall one
of the other (there are a total of four) singers for this song being
Anup Jalota, and that's surely an unusual song for his likeness to
sing...
Ciao,
ND
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JUKY1
I don't know if Udit has a pronounciation problem but his songs sound like
some sort discrete words. It is not like a flow but more like distinct
word (It is similar to discrete digital system as oppesed to analog --
which is better for singing).
What ever you guys might think of Kumar Shanu and no matter how much you
like Udit please, please lets not say Udit can sing sad songs better than
Shanu, if at all. I do agree that Udit can sing entertainment/festive
songs better than Shanu but definetly NOT sad songs. And I do agree with
the other brother, that Abhejeet can sing well and that Abhejeet and Kumar
Shanu together can sing all types of songs needed for film industry today.
Shanu can abviously sing the more sad/romantic/semi classical category and
Abhejeet the festive/entertainment and some of the others.
JUKY1
>
>> As far as Udit Narayan goes, I think he's the only decent male >>singer
around these days. He has an original voice and tries to >>put in a lot of
soul into his songs.
>
in the past may be....
I however, do understand that it is difficult to teach an old dog new
tricks...remember new trick can be good for you too.
Suresh Wadker is good and offcourse Kumar Shanu is. Don't forget Abhejeet
might spice up the flavour sometimes. Udit is good too but to say he is
the only one who sings...I think is a bit insane. However I really
wouldn't recommend Hariharan (you really want) AND stay OFF the S. P Bala.
if he is still singing and trying to induce vimiting.
JUKY1
Abhishek Chandra wrote:
>He has an original voice
AGREE
> and tries to put in a lot of soul into his songs.
DISAGREE
>It is absurd to suggest that he is good only at festive songs.
NOWAY that's what he is best at and is probably better he stick to that
not that he can't sing some other types but there are better people who can
do that.
>He seems to have a very youthful voice, which makes a hero >sound more manly.
BINGO you have summed up better than me in what I was trying to say. A
very festive/joyous/youthfull/enternaining/mucho/hero like type of songs.
>To compare Sanu and Udit, just listen to the two versions of "Pardesi,
>pardesi"
>and the differnce is obvious.
Do you staangly I think exactly that. By listening to the two versions
you can really see that the Joyous(kind of) song was sung by Udit and the
more serious/sad was by Kumar Shanu. Not that I think Udit did any
injustice to the song. No one could have sung it better than he did but I
serously believe Kumar Shanu did a better job with his version and should
have got the award for the songs instead. Anyway usually the more joyful
songs usually get the awards, like 'Eek ladki ko Dekha' (1942) got the
award but surely 'Kuch na Kaho'(1942) was better.
When I have some more time may be I can try type some of his best songs
like you did.
abhishek_chandra
ju...@aol.com says...
>
>Abhishek Chandra wrote:
>
>>He has an original voice
>AGREE
>
>> and tries to put in a lot of soul into his songs.
>DISAGREE
>
>>It is absurd to suggest that he is good only at festive songs.
>
>NOWAY that's what he is best at and is probably better he stick to that
>not that he can't sing some other types but there are better people who can
>do that.
kinds of songs too?
>
>>He seems to have a very youthful voice, which makes a hero >sound more manly.
>BINGO you have summed up better than me in what I was trying to say. A
>very festive/joyous/youthfull/enternaining/mucho/hero like type of songs.
joyous etc. It's a quality of the voice. Eg: Mukesh's voice was considered very
manly, does that mean his songs were only joyous or festive? did he sound any
less manly in his sad songs?
>
>
>>To compare Sanu and Udit, just listen to the two versions of "Pardesi,
>>pardesi"
>>and the differnce is obvious.
>
>Do you staangly I think exactly that. By listening to the two versions
>you can really see that the Joyous(kind of) song was sung by Udit and the
Please listn to the song again or watch Amir's mood in the movie at this point,
and then tell me whether Udit is singing joyously or in a sad mood. Only thing
is that Udit's version might be a bit more faster than Sanu's, but the mood is
certainly sad here too.
>more serious/sad was by Kumar Shanu. Not that I think Udit did any
>injustice to the song. No one could have sung it better than he did but I
>serously believe Kumar Shanu did a better job with his version and should
>have got the award for the songs instead. Anyway usually the more joyful
have put in a lot extra nose into this song which has made it worse.
Udit desrved the award.
>
>When I have some more time may be I can try type some of his best songs
>like you did.
that you can't take away credit from Udit because of that.
Abhishek.
>
>
abhishek_chandra
ju...@aol.com says...
>
>>
>>> As far as Udit Narayan goes, I think he's the only decent male >>singer
>soul into his songs.
>>
>That's very sad that you think that way. I do feel sorry for you. Stuck
>in the past may be....
concede that there are other good singers as well.
>I however, do understand that it is difficult to teach an old dog new
>tricks...remember new trick can be good for you too.
It would be of great deal more use to us if u suggested this old dog-new trick
thing to Sanu, because he's still not over with imitating Kishore, knowing fully
well that he's not even approaching a poor man's Kishore.
>Suresh Wadker is good and offcourse Kumar Shanu is. Don't forget Abhejeet
Suresh is really good at classical songs, but the quality of his voice has an
underlying sadness in it. Abhijeet is good in a fixed domain only, and all his
songs are more of less of the similar type.
>wouldn't recommend Hariharan (you really want) AND stay OFF the S. P Bala.
Sorry to differ again, but I think these two guys have been doing wonderfully.
Bala's voice might be bit thick but certainly he gets good emotions into his
voice, unlike the likes of Vinod Rathod et al. Hariharan is good in ghazals and
other songs as well (like "Tu hi re", "Bahon ke darmiyan" etc.). But, if we
compare Bala and Hari, then Bala comes out better, et least in "Roja janeman".
Abhishek.
Ashok
In article <ufg1rfa...@isip05.i-have-a-misconfigured-system-so-shoot-me>,
desh...@isip05.isip.msstate.edu says...
>
> My memory fails me in this old age --- does Hariharan have a
>part in 'fuuTpaatho.n ke ham rahanewaale' from Mashaal? I recall one
>of the other (there are a total of four) singers for this song being
>Anup Jalota, and that's surely an unusual song for his likeness to
>sing...
>
>Ciao,
>
> ND
>
>\____Neeraj Deshmukh__________...@isip.msstate.edu____/
No, Neeraj, you are not going senile! The song does have those two
singers you mentioned, plus Suresh Wadkar and Shailendra Singh.
Ashok
JUKY1
>Sorry, if I've hurt sentiments.
sentiment, though appreciate the sentiment.
>Suresh is really good at classical songs, but the quality of his voice
>has an underlying sadness in it.
That's why he is so suited to singing serious romantic/ sad songs.
>Hariharan is good in ghazals and
>other songs as well (like "Tu hi re", "Bahon ke darmiyan" etc.).
I don't know about his other songs beacuse I haven't heard much (but his
bhajans with Anuradha really was poor) and won't say much about "Tu hi re"
BUT definetly "Bahon ke darmiya" is just SUPERB (think he should a award
for it).
And on a more conceding note being a die hard Kumar Shanu fan myself I
must say I am dissapointed with the songs Kumar Shanu has sung in the past
two years with occasioanal good songs. And at the same time Udit somehow
seems to have improved. However, on the whole Kumar is still better. I
think the next 5 years at least are for Udit and Kumar Shanu to dominate
with sadly Kumar Shanu loosing ground. But I hope and pray he can come
back as the undesputed champion of the war. He is just the type to sing
the more serious songs.
(buy that took a lot of guts for me to say...)
Madhumita Sahoo
Hi everyone I am new here. This is a nice, neat place here.
AND WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?????
Obviously IT IS KUMAR SANU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Udit is reasonable but he can't come anywhere near Sanu. How come
everyone here is saying that Udit is the better one and they all seems
to be only talking about olden days singers only. I haven't heard
many songs much of Kishore or Lata or the others but I am in LOVE
with Sanu. Are you guys in touch with reality? How can you pick Udit
over Sanu? Have you seens the normal people on the streets and
villages of India? -- they die for Sanu not Udit! A lot of them
however
don't know the names of the singers but just love the songs mostly
sung by Sanu.
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The Dattas
The answer to the question is simply Kumar Shanu. Nothing else
really needs to said (his songs prove it). He is the best!
Shanu rules!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
Sanjeev Kumar
Madhumita Sahoo wrote:
>
> Hi everyone I am new here. This is a nice, neat place here.
> AND WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?????
> Obviously IT IS KUMAR SANU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, Shit happens! Always!
> Udit is reasonable but he can't come anywhere near Sanu. How come
> everyone here is saying that Udit is the better one and they all seems
> to be only talking about olden days singers only.
:) Good observation. I guess at this point in time there seems to be
a set of active posters who happen to be beleivers of this old saying,
"Old is gold". Sometime back, it was the otherway around when there were
young people who talked about new film songs. They all have been driven
to oblivion (or probably to RAMLI!) Don't worry when the current crop
gets bored of this, there will be a new set of YOUNG guys who might
get active and might even praise KS.
> I haven't heard
> many songs much of Kishore or Lata or the others but I am in LOVE
> with Sanu. Are you guys in touch with reality? How can you pick Udit
> over Sanu? Have you seens the normal people on the streets and
> villages of India? -- they die for Sanu not Udit!
They must be dying after/while hearing Sanu! I can imagine why.
>A lot of them however don't know the names of the singers but just
>love the songs mostly sung by Sanu.
:-)
Then, it's got to do with the name I guess. Once they come to know
their favorite songs are sung by Sanu, they'll start hating them.
Here, I am wondering why is he being liked so much without much
credentials. This must be the answer.
Sanjeev
(So, am I hot shot wise guy. So what? Can't I have fun on a Friday Eve!)
abhishek_chandra
Madhumita says...
>
>Hi everyone I am new here. This is a nice, neat place here.
>AND WHAT IS HAPPENING HERE?????
>Obviously IT IS KUMAR SANU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>Udit is reasonable but he can't come anywhere near Sanu. How come
>everyone here is saying that Udit is the better one and they all seems
>to be only talking about olden days singers only.
>I haven't heard
>many songs much of Kishore or Lata or the others but I am in LOVE
>with Sanu. Are you guys in touch with reality?
or Lata. In that case I bet u wouldn't have heard of Rafi or Talat also. That's
why u're so enamored with Sanu. Please listen to these people first and then the
diff. would be obvious.
>How can you pick Udit
>over Sanu?
some examples in my previous postings which I do not want to repeat again.
> Have you seens the normal people on the streets and
>villages of India? -- they die for Sanu not Udit!
might have agreed.
Abhishek.
Heroine632
Udit Narayan is GOD. If any of you sez anything to dis my guy, you'll have
to asnwer to me personally!!
Heroine632
Udit is the guy!!