Hameer and Desh
Ashok
In article <7d52vk$i...@drn.newsguy.com>, parr...@colorado.edu says...
>
>Namashkar. This note collects some thoughts on Raga Hameer
>Raga Hameer, sometimes also known as Raga Hameer Kalyan (not to
>be confused with Raga Hameer Kalyani of the Karnataka paddhati which
>is the equivalent of the Hindustani Raga Kedar), is considered one
>of the grand basic rAgas. There are few other melodies that exact from
>the performer the sense for drama and power, and a feel for rAgadAri.
>There are in this rAga traditional dhrupads & dhamars aplenty as
>well as baDA and chhoTA kHayAls. It is assigned to the kalyANa thATa
>and employs all the shuddha swaras plus the tivra madhyam.
>Raga Hameer is represented in popular Indian consciousness by
>the superhit song from the movie "Kohinoor," a baby of master
>tunesmith Naushad, written by Shakeel Badayuni and delivered by
>Mohammad Rafi. A snippet may be heard at (this and the rest of
>the audio files are hosted on Dr. Prince Kohli's site):
>
>http://reality.sgi.com/prince/music/rafi.wav
>
>Another splendid expression of Hameer is a stirring
>bhajan of Bhakti vintage in Mukesh's voice, tuned by Naresh
>Bhattacharya - "sur ki gati maiN kyA jAnu, ek bhajan karnA jAnu"
>
>http://reality.sgi.com/prince/music/mukesh.wav
>
>There's also a marAthi nATyageet set in Hameer in druta ektAl -
>"vimala dhar..." - made popular in an earlier era by Suresh
>Haldankar, to complete the round of 'folk' material.
An undedcated question here, triggered mainly by the similairity
of names. There is a Hindi film called 'Hameet Hath'; seems to be
a (pseudo?) historical film. Remember that it had very good music
by Shanmukh Babu Upadhyaya, a doubly obscure music director (I
think he was assistant to a relatively obscure MD Avinash Vyas.)
One song I remember is a lovely semi-classical solo by Manna Dey:
"baaje, paayal baaje". Any relation to raaga Hameer to the film
or the song?
In article <7ddlb2$8...@drn.newsguy.com>, parr...@colorado.edu says...
>
>This is a response to two different posts.
>
>In article <19990324193527...@ng135.aol.com>,
>s44...@aol.com says...
>>
>>Do we have notation somewhere for Acharya Paluskar's Tulsi bhajan in Hameer ?
>>Is it published, I mean...
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Sandip.
>
>Vinayakrao Patvardhan gives the notation. That tune is (was) well
>known to some Haridas's in Goa and Maharashtra, and the way I heard
>it is substantially the same as Patvardhan's notated version, from
>what I recall of the latter.
>*****
>
>In article <7dbf6c$c...@osprey.umd.edu>,
>gmka...@Glue.umd.edu (Gopalakrishna M. Kamath) wrote:
>>
>>I have heard Lata Mangeshkar singing "shri ramachandra..." (in one of the
>>CDs with Bhimsen
>>Joshi and Anup Jalota singing Ram Bhajans), and I always thought it was
>>Yaman Kalyan.
>>Is it the same song sung to a different raag? Or am I mistaken? If so,
>>is there a similarity between the two?
>
>The Tulsidas bhajan is sung in several different tunes.
>
>>P.S: While I am at it, Rajan Parrikar, I'd request one of your
>>"raag lessons" for the raag Desh. Thank you.
>
>The use of these "raag lessons" is strictly limited if they are not
>supported by a solid listening regimen and/or training, as the case
>may be. With that in mind:
>
>Raga Desh is a khamAj-anga rAga, is considered to be of the kshudra
>type, and is ubiquitous across all musical genres in India.
>
>R M P N, N, S"
>
>Occasionally, the komal gandhAra is sought as a vivAdi swara,
>especially in the tAra saptak, as in:
>
>P N S" R g R S"
>
>A fine example of this is found in K.G. Ginde's commercially
>released rendition of Ratanjankar's bandish "Eri bAnsuri..."
>(The komal gandhAr may also be used along with the malhAr
>molecule (n D N) in what is called Desh Malhar).
>
>The strength of the rishab and the avarohi approach to it
>is Desh's trait and is also necessary to keep it distinct
>from an allied melody, Tilak Kamod. Occasionally, this
>fact can be used to create a tirobhAva-AvirbhAva effect. It
>being a kshudra rAga, license is taken with its form and all
>kinds of cut-and-paste operations are observed in practice.
>
>Desh is particularly popular with the film folks. Some fine
>compositions come to mind. The Rafi-Asha duet "gori tore nainawA..."
>(which film? composer? Chitragupta?). Madan Mohan's "Ap ko pyAr
>chhupAne ki buri Adat hai" (Rafi-Suman? film?). The Saigal-Khurshid
>classic "mile kA din aa gayA...". My favourite, despite its liberties
>with Desh, is Rafi's "mAnA mere haseeN sanam..." from "The Adventures
>of Robinhood" tuned by G.S. Kohli to Yogesh's lyrics.
>
>Warm regards,
>
>
>r
"gori tore nain, nainavaa" is from 'Main Suhagan Hoon"; the
composer is Lachhiram Tamar.
"aap ko pyaar chhupaane ki buri aadat hai" is indeed a Madan
Mohan tune. The film is 'Neela Akash' (Dharmendra and Mala
Sinha becoming members of the mile-high club!). I remember
the singers to be Rafi and Asha.
A question: Is the standard melody for "vande maataram"
based on Desh?
Ashok
mrat...@my-dejanews.com
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:
>
> An undedcated question here, triggered mainly by the similairity
> of names. There is a Hindi film called 'Hameet Hath'; seems to be
> a (pseudo?) historical film. Remember that it had very good music
> by Shanmukh Babu Upadhyaya, a doubly obscure music director (I
> think he was assistant to a relatively obscure MD Avinash Vyas.)
> One song I remember is a lovely semi-classical solo by Manna Dey:
> "baaje, paayal baaje". Any relation to raaga Hameer to the film
> or the song?
>
>
>
The name is Hameer Hath, but it has no relevance to the rAga Hameer, because,
Hameer is a historical character and Hameer Hath is a historical event
(though not as popular as "last supper"). I am sure the movie is based on
that event rather than rAga Hameer. There is also a movie name "Raj Hath"
having very nice songs such as "mere sapane me aanaa re sajanaa", "aaye
bahaar ban ke lubhaa kar chale gaye"
Have fun
Mohan
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> Excerpts from a couple of articles by Dr. Rajan Parrikar on RMIC.
> >Raga Desh is a khamAj-anga rAga, is considered to be of the kshudra
> >type, and is ubiquitous across all musical genres in India.
> >
> >R M P N, N, S"
> >
> >Occasionally, the komal gandhAra is sought as a vivAdi swara,
> >especially in the tAra saptak, as in:
> >
> >P N S" R g R S"
> >
> >(The komal gandhAr may also be used along with the malhAr
> >molecule (n D N) in what is called Desh Malhar).
> >
> >The strength of the rishab and the avarohi approach to it
> >is Desh's trait and is also necessary to keep it distinct
> >from an allied melody, Tilak Kamod. > >
> >Desh is particularly popular with the film folks. Some fine
> >compositions come to mind. The Rafi-Asha duet "gori tore nainawA..."
> > Madan Mohan's "Ap ko pyAr chhupAne ki buri Adat hai" (Rafi-Suman? film?). >
>The Saigal-Khurshid classic "mile kA din aa gayA...".
While being reminded of Desh, I thought of that splendid song from Reshma Aur
Shera, "Tu chanda main chaandni". Of course everyone has heard it, but all
those mean people out there who hoard and hang on to their rare collections
and don't "share" them with anyone makes it difficult for me to discuss a
song that's lesser-known. So all those of you who refused to send me
cassettes of rare gems, remember, you brought this upon yourselves. :-).
Anyway, the song has three stanzas, of which the last one is based on Desh:
"o mere saavan sajan, o mere sindhoor" etc.. I seem to remember that one of
the other stanzas is based on Pilu; can someone help? Chetan, are you there?
Would the Pilu stanza be the first one: "Na sarvar (tarvar?), na baanvari, na
koi thandi chhaaon" etc. And what about the second stanza : "tujhe aanchal
mein rakkhoongi o saanvare"? Which raag? And what about the mukhda? The song
is based on either three or four raagas. I hope someone knowledgeable will
post a break-up.
Roopa