S D Burman
Ket...@att.net
According to atleast one article I have come across, today would be 25 years
since HE left us.
For those of you who are interested, below is a web site that someone has
started with clips of his Bengali songs. The beauty of his composition comes
through even more in some of these songs, sparse as they are in orchestration.
That his voice was not the best one out there to sing these gems does not in any
way take away anything from the sheer melody on which these songs rest.
If further proof is needed I can only ask you to listen to these two songs :
The 9th song from the bottom
The 6th song from the top(where the sarod is played by R D Burman)
If the first one don't make you cry, the second surely must.
A third favourite is the third one from the bottom.
In the end, all I can say is--He spoilt us and left us on this day without a
worthy replacement.
May his soul rest in peace. Mine does--listening to his music.
Without further ado, I present according to me one of the greatest composers
Sachin Dev Burman
at
http://members.nbci.com/debu/sachin.htm
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
as...@midway.uchicago.edu
> For those of you who are interested, below is a web site that someone has
> started with clips of his Bengali songs. The beauty of his composition comes
> through even more in some of these songs, sparse as they are in orchestration.
> That his voice was not the best one out there to sing these gems does not in any
> way take away anything from the sheer melody on which these songs rest.
I agree, except you are being unduly modest about SDB's singing ! I think, at
least for the songs featured here, that SDB's sung version is equal to, if
not much better than the Hindi film version. The emotion he brings to his
rendition has few equals.
> If further proof is needed I can only ask you to listen to these two songs :
>
> The 9th song from the bottom
i.e. "barNe chhande giitite" (phoolon ke rang se )
Possibly the only case where the Hindi version improved
on SDB's original.
> The 6th song from the top(where the sarod is played by R D Burman)
i.e. "ghum bhulechhi nijhuum " (ham bekhudi mein tum )
The SDB version is irresistible ! It leaves the Kala Pani song
many, many leagues behind.
> If the first one don't make you cry, the second surely must.
>
> A third favourite is the third one from the bottom.
"shono go dakhin haowaa " (khayii hai re hamane qasam )
Some of the other songs featured whose Hindi counterparts I am familiar with
are :
mono dilo na baondhu - jaane kyaa tuune kahii
baanshii shune aar kaaj naii - ( something .... pukaare terii bansii )
na aamaare shashii cheyo naa (jaa jaa mujhe naa ab yaad aa )
Takdum Takdum baaje (song of same name from Bombai ka babu)
Could you list the other songs and whether you know of Hindi counterparts.
> In the end, all I can say is--He spoilt us and left us on this day without a
> worthy replacement.
In other words, you concede that RDB was in no way a worthy successor :-)
-Arunabha
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
Prithviraj
as...@midway.uchicago.edu wrote:
> baanshii shune aar kaaj naii - ( something .... pukaare terii
bansii )
The hindi song is
nii.nd churaa_e chain churaa_e
Daakaa Daale terii ba.nsii
sung most probably by Lata Mangeshkar. The movie
starred Moushumi Chatterjee in the role of a blind
girl, but I may be confusing w/ another movie, the
name was probably Anurag.
> Could you list the other songs and whether you know of Hindi
counterparts.
Here are three that I know of w/ HIndi counterparts:
prem jamunaye hoito keu :: pyaar Dole dil bhii bole
haay ki je kori e mana niyaa :: tuune o ra.ngiila kaise jaaduu kiyaa
rangila rangila re :: aan milo shyaam saa.Nvare
and I couldn't resist these:)
he kshaniker atithi :: jaye to jaye kahan
jadi tare nai chini go :: tere mere milan ki ye
sedin dujane dulechhinu :: nain diwaane kajra na jane
-Prithviraj
Srinivas Ganti
Prithviraj <prit...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> In article <8t7li0$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> as...@midway.uchicago.edu wrote:
>
> > baanshii shune aar kaaj naii - ( something .... pukaare terii
> bansii )
>
> The hindi song is
>
> nii.nd churaa_e chain churaa_e
> Daakaa Daale terii ba.nsii
>
> sung most probably by Lata Mangeshkar. The movie
> starred Moushumi Chatterjee in the role of a blind
> girl, but I may be confusing w/ another movie, the
> name was probably Anurag.
Yes Prithvi.Movie is Anurag.
Lyricists of some of the Bengali songs composed and sung by SDB are
Takdum takdum bajai Lyrics: Mira Dev Burman
Ghum bhulechhi Lyrics:Gauri Prasanna Mazumdar
Bone phagun mone agun Lyrics: Roby Guha Mazumdar
Shono go dakhin haoa Lyrics: Mira Dev Burman
Borne,gandhe,chhande geete Lyrics: Mira Dev Burman
tumi esechhile parashu Lyrics: Roby Guha Mazumdar
Dur kon parabashe Lyrics: Gauri Prasanna Mazumdar
Na na amar sashi cheyo na Lyrics: Mira Dev Burman
Tumi ar nei se tumi Lyrics: Roby Guha Mazumdar
Baje Banshi Go Lyrics: Gauri Prasanna Mazumdar
Ami saite pari Lyrics: Roby Guha Mazumdar
Biraha baro bhalo lage Lyrics: Mira Dev Burman
Ke jashre bhati gang baiya Lyrics: Mira Dev Burman
Here is some info on SDB's early output.Most of this is courtesy
Prithviraj Dasgupta,tit-bits from the Radio programmes
I heard in India and other sources.
He received classical training by his father,sitarist and Dhrupad
singer Nabadwipchandra Dev Burman; later with ustad Badal Khan,
Bhishmadev Chattopadhyay and K.C Dey (Mannadey's uncle). Early work for
radio was based on East bengali and North eastern folk-music.
In early 30s made a reputation in bengal as singer of folk and light
classical music, e.g. at the Allahabad Sangeet Sammelan (Music
Conference) in 1935. Film debut singing for Pankaj Mullick in Yahudi Ki
Ladki (1933) but the songs were scrapped and re-sung by Pahadi
Sanyal.First film as singer: Tinkari Chakraborthy's Sanjher Pidim
(1935); also acted in Dhiren ganguli's Bidrohi (1935).As a
composer,Dada's first movie was Raajashri(1937).As far as Hindi movies
are concerned, he sang in Seeta(1934) under K.C Dey's baton.
Like most other stalwarts of his time, SDB was an artist on AIR.
He came to the limelight with his path breaking rendition of Kazi
Nazrul Islam's composition 'Padmaar Dheu re' in 1939. Although most of
his songs in this period were folk based, he sang quite a few
classical songs also in this period. In fact the record labels contain
the name of the singer/song and the raga it was based on, without any
credits to the composer.Probably, SDB composed music for most of his
songs, with the exception of Nazrul geets. His wife Mira Dev Burman was
also an accomplished singer and their duets are a feast for music
lovers.
Some other hits of SDB during this period are 'Ke jeno kaaNdichhe' from
Nari (1940), 'Kaal sagarey' from Maatir Ghar (1942), Premera samadhi
tirey (194?)and 'Bandor chhaaRo jatrIraa sabe' from Chhadmabeshi
(1942).The last song was rated among all time top 5 bengali songs by
intellectuals from Bengal(Sunil Ganguly, Dhananjay Bhattacharyya etc).
The inimitable nasal tone and mellifluous voice captured the minds of
music enthusiasts.(One of them was Jaidev.After hearing SDB's
renedition of "Dheere se jaana baghiyan mein", Jaidev instantly became
SDB's fan.)His film compositions are influenced by his huge repertory
of folk-tunes of the North-East:Bhatiali, Sari and Dhamail.
--
Srinivas
Ashok
It looks likes ants converging on a left-over piece of
candy. Even Arunabha seems to have finally gotten in
touch with his inner Bong!
>I agree, except you are being unduly modest about SDB's singing !
Don't know about that. He is certainly being unduly lachrymose
about the tunes.
>> The 9th song from the bottom
>
>i.e. "barNe chhande giitite" (phoolon ke rang se )
>> The 6th song from the top(where the sarod is played by R D Burman)
>
>i.e. "ghum bhulechhi nijhuum " (ham bekhudi mein tum )
>
>The SDB version is irresistible ! It leaves the Kala Pani song
>many, many leagues behind.
You mean Rafi is a far, far inferior singer to SDB?
>> A third favourite is the third one from the bottom.
>
>"shono go dakhin haowaa " (khayii hai re hamane qasam )
Can the Bongs on RMIM help out those of us that are
Begali-script-challenged with a transcription of those
squiggles in the first two columns? It would help if
you also indicate the Hindi equivalent. Quite a bit of
what I am asking has been done already. Just systematically
put it together, please. And while at it, how about counting
them off from the top. Ketan might be a bottom-feeder, but
yall don't have to follow suit. :)
>-Arunabha
Ashok
Ket...@att.net
>
>
>According to atleast one article I have come across, today would be 25 years
>since HE left us.
Correction :
An article I read at the NCPA in Bombay, yellowed and dog-eared(this one was
from the early 80's) stated that SDB died on 25th Oct 1975. Many years later(in
the 90's) I read in a film magazine that he died on 31st Oct, 1975. Trusting the
dog-eared article over one by a more recent article--thinking (incorrectly) that
it was by another IJ--I put out my tribute. However in an email I recd a short
while ago, Mr. Raju Bharatan, confirms that he did die on Oct 31st. Apologies
for the confusion. My tribute to him though stands, given as it was based on
emotion, and incorrect dates by atleast one IJ, shall not take away my
admiration and respect for SDB.
In article <8t7li0$44g$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, as...@midway.uchicago.edu says...
>>That his voice was not the best one out there to sing these gems does not in any
>> way take away anything from the sheer melody on which these songs rest.
>
>I agree, except you are being unduly modest about SDB's singing ! I think, at
>least for the songs featured here, that SDB's sung version is equal to, if
>not much better than the Hindi film version. The emotion he brings to his
>rendition has few equals.
No..I said "voice"--as in quality, texture. There is no doubt that in many songs
he put in more emotion into it than the respective Hindi singers, a feature
which I find even in songs sung by RDB in Bengali. Only Kishore seems to outdo
both father and son when he sings the counterpart songs in Hindi.
>i.e. "barNe chhande giitite" (phoolon ke rang se )
>Possibly the only case where the Hindi version improved
>on SDB's original.
>
>> The 6th song from the top(where the sarod is played by R D Burman)
>
>i.e. "ghum bhulechhi nijhuum " (ham bekhudi mein tum )
>
>The SDB version is irresistible ! It leaves the Kala Pani song
>many, many leagues behind.
Are you surprised? The first one is sung in Hindi by Kishore and the second one
by Rafi. :)
>> In the end, all I can say is--He spoilt us and left us on this day without a
>> worthy replacement.
>
>In other words, you concede that RDB was in no way a worthy successor :-)
Note the word "replacement". You may bring in your own words such as
"successor". :)
>-Arunabha
In article <8t839p$f78$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Srinivas says...
To add :
His date of birth is a source of mystery too. I have read 1901, 1902, and 1906.
The dog-eared article states he was born in 1901, youngest of 6 brothers and 3
sisters at Kumilla, near Agartala.
>He received classical training by his father,sitarist and Dhrupad
>singer Nabadwipchandra Dev Burman; later with ustad Badal Khan,
>Bhishmadev Chattopadhyay and K.C Dey (Mannadey's uncle). Early work for
Add..Baba Allaudin Khan's brother--Aftabuddin Khan as one of his guru's too. He
also received some training from Baba A. Khan.
Ketan
Ravi Krishna
>> In the end, all I can say is--He spoilt us and left us on this day without a
>> worthy replacement.
>In other words, you concede that RDB was in no way a worthy successor :-)
Arunabha,
RDB was indeed a worth successor to his dad. In fact great in his own way.
I feel SDB was the arguably the greatest MD of HFM and his son was last of the
great MDs of HFM. IMO RDB and crickter Mohinder Amarnath are the only popular
figures where the son took the same profession of his dad and turned out to be
as good/great. In fact in Amarnath's case the son was clearly better than his
dad.
Want to make a list of son being a disgrace to his dad: Start with king of all
besura singer Amit Kumar.
talking about RDB being the last-of-the-great MDs of HFM, I would like to know
whether anyone likes Laxmi-Pyare. I am *yet* to meet a person who thinks they
were good. At best they would say "they were OK, with some good songs once in a
while". Interesting, because it is a fact that in 70s they were as popular as
RDB and in 80s they left RDB miles behind.
RK-
ave...@fisc-ny.com
of him, he will surely leave dad way behind. (I am talking only acting
here)
On the disgrace list : Rohan Gavaskar?
Arun
naniwadekar
Ravi Krishna <rkri...@aaahawk.com> wrote:
> IMO RDB and crickter Mohinder Amarnath are the only popular
> figures where the son took the same profession of his dad and turned
> out to be as good/great.
> Want to make a list of son being a disgrace to his dad.
Both Bush and Gore have a politician father. Forgot Henry VIII ?
And Motilal-Jawaharlal-Indiraji-Rajiv+Sanjay-Priyanka?
Here are more examples of disgraceful children.
Randolf Churchill and Winston Churchill. Joe Kennedy - JFK. Maurice
Tate. Richard Hadlee. Paolo Maldini. J S Bach's family.
Lata Mangeshkar, Asha and Hridaynath. Mogubai Kurdikar and Kishori
Amonkar. Badodekar family. Ali Akbar saab. Annapoorna Devi. Amjad (both
Amjads, for that matter). Manji Khan Sahib. C P Scott and Ted Scott.
And on and on.
Bradman's son changed his surname. Why subject them to unfair
comparison? RDB couldn't match even SDB. Why be harsh on Vazebuwa's son
or Rohan Gavaskar ?
- nani (dhananjay naniwadekar)
Sambit Basu
<Ket...@att.net> wrote:
> That his voice was not the best one out there to sing these gems does not
in any
> way take away anything from the sheer melody on which these songs rest.
You are probably right about his voice in those songs, which were
composed/
recorded during the later part of his life. When SDB first came in
Bengali music
land, he had a very rich bass along with a subdued and controlled
nasality. Some
of his early recordings like "Jodi dokhinapobon ashiya phire go" or
"aalo-chhaya
dola" bear testimonials of his younger-age voice. Along with that he had
wonderful
breath-control and riyazi voice, at least enough for light Bengali
music.
His renditions of Nazrul's "PodMar dheu re" and "kuhu kuhu koyelia"
prompted Nazrul
to say, "SDB has sung the songs exactly how I envisioned them."
Later the quality of his voice, singing, lyrics (mostly by Meera Dev
Burman) were on a
downslide. But, as a composer, he became better. I guess Bombay taught
him more
versatility and improvisation.
- Sambit
naniwadekar
I have seen Salamat Ali shamelessly promote his mediocre sons. As for
our politicians, from Karunanidhi to Bal Thackeray to Devi Lal to
Sheikh Abdullah, they are class apart.
In some cases, it so happens that the children can do things okay at
their level. Vazebua's son was like that. But his father's ghost never
left him alone, or, rather, it never left his listeners' mind(s).
But we must especially be gentle to the third generation. Innocent
Rajivji (he is actually 4th generation). Dinanath's grandson. Allaudin
Baba's grandsons. And, of course, Amaan and Ayaan. (I hope I have got
the names right.)
Ket...@att.net
>RDB was indeed a worth successor to his dad. In fact great in his own way.
>I feel SDB was the arguably the greatest MD of HFM and his son was last of the
>great MDs of HFM. IMO RDB and crickter Mohinder Amarnath are the only popular
>figures where the son took the same profession of his dad and turned out to be
>as good/great. In fact in Amarnath's case the son was clearly better than his
>dad.
For once we agree. :)
>Want to make a list of son being a disgrace to his dad: Start with king of all
>besura singer Amit Kumar.
I wouldn't call him a disgrace but yes, definitely did not add a feather to his
or his father's cap.
>talking about RDB being the last-of-the-great MDs of HFM, I would like to know
>whether anyone likes Laxmi-Pyare. I am *yet* to meet a person who thinks they
>were good. At best they would say "they were OK, with some good songs once in a
>while". Interesting, because it is a fact that in 70s they were as popular as
>RDB and in 80s they left RDB miles behind.
Sigh! I actually and unfortunately do know some people who think L-P were the
bees-knees in HFM. They actually had the audacity to suggest that L-P
revolutionized HFM(how?) and that they brought Indian music(what does that
mean?)into HFM. They don't dislike or hate RDB, they just think L-P's music was
closer to the common man's. A point of debate on whether music knows commonality
or uncommonality is too tedious to go into now.
Ketan
Chetan Vinchhi
> Here are more examples of disgraceful children.
>
Excuse me?
> Mogubai Kurdikar and Kishori Amonkar.
And again! Could you be more specific about this?
I have heard opinions to the contrary. I have myself
not heard enough of Mogubai to really have an opinion.
(This probably belongs to RMIC)
> Badodekar family. Ali Akbar saab. Annapoorna Devi. Amjad (both
> Amjads, for that matter). Manji Khan Sahib.
You are on a roll here, Nani. I don't think you can
justify any of the above claims. It may be okay to
say that they could not surpass their illustrious
parents in their fields. But "disgraceful"??
C
naniwadekar
"Chetan Vinchhi" <vin...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> You are on a roll here, Nani. I don't think you can
> justify any of the above claims. It may be okay to
> say that they could not surpass their illustrious
> parents in their fields. But "disgraceful"??
> C
Chetan, are you pulling my leg there ? I found the claim that there
were "ONLY TWO popular figures where the son took the same profession
of his dad and turned out to be as good/great" so incomprehensible,
that that post was my feeble response to it.
I could have mentioned Bhurji Khan. I purposely mentioned Manji Khan.
And also Churchill, Lata, Kishori, Ali Akbar. I just threw in Amjad.
But I do like his Durga - Nandkauns LP.
Did you know that THE Churchill named his son Randolf after his father?
And he his son Winston? So the family tree is Randolf I - Winston I -
Randolf II - Winston II. ( and probably Randolf III, but not sure.) To
avoid all confusion, let me mention that I was facetiously mentioning
RCh I - WCh I combination in my original post. Not RCh II - WCh II.
Winston Jr was an MP when Thatcher was PM.
- nani
naniwadekar
I had read an article describing Prabhu Ramchandra returning to Ayodhya.
Bharat prostrated himself. His head touched Rama's feet. I don't know
whether it was Kalidas who speculated on the effect, or the writer,
named Anand Sadhale, whose article on Kalidas I was reading.
It was not just Bharat's head which emerged purer by touching Ram's
feet, went the argument. But Ram was also the better for being touched
by Bharat.
Chetan's confusion recalled this story to my mind. We have a set of
parents : Alladiya, Dinanath, Mogubai, Allauddin Khan. Stepping in
their tread are Manji Khan, Lata, Kishori and Ali Akbar. This is a set
of parents so great, and yet the next generation has matched it. And
the set of parents is so great that even when the other set contains
Kishori and Ali Akbar and LATA, it is still arguable that the parents
have achieved more.
vulca...@mailandnews.com
> In article <8t97r...@drn.newsguy.com>,
> Ravi Krishna <rkri...@aaahawk.com> wrote:
> > IMO RDB and crickter Mohinder Amarnath are the only popular
> > figures where the son took the same profession of his dad and turned
> > out to be as good/great.
>
> > Want to make a list of son being a disgrace to his dad.
>
> Here are more examples of disgraceful children.
>
> Lata Mangeshkar, Asha and Hridaynath.
i thought they are brother and sisters.
though asha has a son in music direction.(name? releases?)
-rawat