Sonu Nigam's "Deewana"
hn...@yahoo.com
I am not sure if a discussion or review of Sonu Nigam's Deewana album
has already been done on RMIM; haven't quite been in touch with RMIM
postings for the past few months. In any case, here's my opinion: I
recently bought this CD just because of Sonu's name on it and I am glad
I did buy it. All the songs are nicely sung. The ones I like most are
"kuchh tum socho", "is qadar pyaar hai, and "deewana tera". Any
comments about this album are welcome. I have some of his songs in
assorted "pop hits" cassettes, one of them being from "Kismat". I
don't remeber which song, it's quite forgettable or lousy I should
say. Another is "Howzzat" with Daler Mehndi and Remo. What are his
other albums? Could anyone provide some info about Sonu Nigam other
than that he is the host of "Sa Re Ga Ma"?
Thanks.
Hema.
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>
> Could anyone provide some info about Sonu Nigam other
>than that he is the host of "Sa Re Ga Ma"?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Hema.
I can tell you that Sonu has sung at least one song in not less than
thirty films during the past three years. The list of films is as
follows:
Aa Ab Laut Chalen
Aarzoo
Anari No.1
Aur Pyar Ho Gaya
Border
Daud
Deewana Mastana
Dil Se
Dulhe Raja
Chinagate
Hero Hindustani
Hogi Pyar K Jeet
Hum Aapke Dil Mein Rehte Hain
International Khiladi
Jab Pyaar Kisise Hota Hai
Jeans
Jaane Jigar
Khiladiyon Ka Khiladi
Nyaydaata
Maharaja
Major Saab
Mohabbat
Mr Romeo
Sajni
Sarfarosh
Sham Ghansham
Shapath
Soldier
Sooryavansham
Tamanna
No doubt there are a few others that I have missed, but these are all
the ones I could find in my own collection. I hope this helps.
Happy listenings,
--
Richard Turner
Hemlata N. Khemani
> Quite an impressive collection you have there, Richard! The very
> few Sonu Nigam songs I know don't seem featured there. I am not
> very sure they are all by Sonu Nigam. Someone confirm please?
>
> . Bewafa Sanam (achchhaa silaa diyaa tu ne mere pyaar kaa?)
Yes, probably the one that brought him into fame on the HFM screen. (with
a horrible face to playback for). He surprised the industry by his
"mature" voice when he was probably in his late teens. If not, he sure
looked like one.
> . Border (is he there in the sandesaa song?)
> . Duniya Dilwalon Ki (jaari jaa ae hawaa, with SPB?)
> . Jeet
> . Khoon Bhari Maang (hanste hanste kaT jaaye raste?)
He probably is too young to sing as a male lead in khoon bhari maang which
was a late 80s release IIRC. If you mean his voice was among those of the
kids, that doesn't seem probable either considering his voice is a bit
"mature". But "achha sila diya" was also released around 91, so I am
contradicting myself. I could be wrong on both assumptions.
> . Najayaz (tujhe pyar karte karte?)
> . Papa Kehte Hain (mujh se naaraaz ho to ho jaao)
> . Tezaab (so gayaa ye jahaa.n, so gayaa aasamaa.n?)
ai aee yo. there's a major goof up here. Maybe you haven't heard Nitin
Mukesh's voice for quite a while.
> Has also sung in Tamil, I believe.
hmm...interesting. Did he sing any of the Jeans' songs in Tamil? BTW
talking of Jeans, my cassette cover says that the singer for "columbus"
song is SOnu Nigam, but I hear two voices in the song. Whose is the other
one?
One song I can immediately recollect that Richard missed is "ye dil
deewana" from Pardes.
Hema.
> Ashok
>
> PS: How many Turners from the U.K. are there on RMIM? :)
>
>
>
>
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Ashok
ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk says...
>
>I can tell you that Sonu has sung at least one song in not less than
>thirty films during the past three years. The list of films is as
>follows:
>
>
>the ones I could find in my own collection. I hope this helps.
>Richard Turner
Quite an impressive collection you have there, Richard! The very
few Sonu Nigam songs I know don't seem featured there. I am not
very sure they are all by Sonu Nigam. Someone confirm please?
. Bewafa Sanam (achchhaa silaa diyaa tu ne mere pyaar kaa?)
. Border (is he there in the sandesaa song?)
. Duniya Dilwalon Ki (jaari jaa ae hawaa, with SPB?)
. Jeet
. Khoon Bhari Maang (hanste hanste kaT jaaye raste?)
. Najayaz (tujhe pyar karte karte?)
. Papa Kehte Hain (mujh se naaraaz ho to ho jaao)
. Tezaab (so gayaa ye jahaa.n, so gayaa aasamaa.n?)
Has also sung in Tamil, I believe.
Ashok
vijay...@my-deja.com
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:
> Quite an impressive collection you have there, Richard! The very
> few Sonu Nigam songs I know don't seem featured there. I am not
> very sure they are all by Sonu Nigam. Someone confirm please?
>
>
deevana" in Pardes, as well.
Tezaab is a big surprise. You mean he has been around singing for 11
years or more? Doesn't look that old. I am told that he started off his
career as a child artist. Filmography anyone?
Vijay
Vandana
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:
> Quite an impressive collection you have there, Richard! The very
> few Sonu Nigam songs I know don't seem featured there. I am not
> very sure they are all by Sonu Nigam. Someone confirm please?
>
...
> . Tezaab (so gayaa ye jahaa.n, so gayaa aasamaa.n?)
This was by Nitin Mukesh. Sonu Nigam must be around 23 years old now
which makes him too young to have sung in Tezaab (late 80s).
>
> Has also sung in Tamil, I believe.
Really? Would love references. He has a great voice.
>
> Ashok
>
Vandana.
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"SapnoN ka jahaaN" from Alladin (Hindi dub version). Magically sung.
Vinay
In article <W7NAcbAf...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk>,
Richard Turner <ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> I can tell you that Sonu has sung at least one song in not less than
> thirty films during the past three years. The list of films is as
> follows:
>
> No doubt there are a few others that I have missed, but these are all
> the ones I could find in my own collection. I hope this helps.
>
> Happy listenings,
> --
> Richard Turner
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Richard Turner
100...@unixs4.cis.pitt.edu>, Hemlata N. Khemani <hnk...@pitt.edu>
writes
>On 15 Jun 1999, Ashok wrote:
>
>
>talking of Jeans, my cassette cover says that the singer for "columbus"
>song is SOnu Nigam, but I hear two voices in the song. Whose is the other
>one?
I've just checked my (poor quality) copy. IMO, the other voice(s) that
Hema can hear are *also* Sonu Nigam! There appear to be a small chorus
of Sonu Nigams, thanks to ARR's use of straightforward multi-tracking.
>
>One song I can immediately recollect that Richard missed is "ye dil
>deewana" from Pardes.
Guilty as charged! I haven't yet bought this. Sorry.
>
>Hema.
Now, who's going to do me a favour and start a Kavita Krishnamurthi
thread?! ;o)
Cheers,
--
Richard Turner
Richard Turner
<ADhar...@WorldBank.Org> writes
>>the ones I could find in my own collection. I hope this helps.
>
>
>Quite an impressive collection you have there, Richard! The very
>few Sonu Nigam songs I know don't seem featured there. I am not
>very sure they are all by Sonu Nigam. Someone confirm please?
>
Yes. Ke ghar kab aaoge, with Roopkumar Rathod and chorus. SN also sings
in Hamen jab se mohabbat, with Alka Yagnik.
>. Duniya Dilwalon Ki (jaari jaa ae hawaa, with SPB?)
>. Jeet
The inlay card of my copy is in Devnagari script, so perhaps I can be
forgiven for missing this one?! But Ashok is correct. SN sings Abhi
saans lene ki fursat nahin, with Alka Yagnik.
>. Khoon Bhari Maang (hanste hanste kaT jaaye raste?)
>. Najayaz (tujhe pyar karte karte?)
>. Papa Kehte Hain (mujh se naaraaz ho to ho jaao)
>. Tezaab (so gayaa ye jahaa.n, so gayaa aasamaa.n?)
>
>Has also sung in Tamil, I believe.
>
>Ashok
>
>PS: How many Turners from the U.K. are there on RMIM? :)
About the same number as there are Ashok Dhareshwars! :o)<<
--
Richard Turner
Richard Turner
>One that you miss below Richard, is my favourite Sonu Nigam song -
>"SapnoN ka jahaaN" from Alladin (Hindi dub version). Magically sung.
>
>Vinay
<my list snipped>
I'm sorry, Vinay. I can honestly say that I've never even heard of this
score. Details please? What language is it dubbed from? Thanks for the
URLs, BTW.
--
Richard Turner
Arun Verma
All this hablaboolaaa about Sonu being a great singer promptly invites
for a flame-bait from me. Sonu is just an average singer, IMO. E.g.
in the above song from Duniya Dilwalon Ki (a great song, BTW) -- SPB's singing is
so effortless (and ah, his flowing voice) while Sonu is having a really bad
time.. he seems to putting in too much effort to 'show' emotion (a Rafi
hangover for sure :-) and falls flat on his voice. He comes out as being
very tense during singing.
Another example, the qawalli from the recent, 'Sarfarosh' sung by Sonu and
Roop Kumar Rathod -- again Sonu is suffering from the same syndrome, trying too
hard -- while Roop gets into the mood of the song wasting no time and does a
much better Job, IMO.
Summary: Sonu has a good/great voice but very average singing talent!
Arun
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ve...@cs.cornell.edu (Arun Verma) wrote:
> >>. Duniya Dilwalon Ki (jaari jaa ae hawaa, with SPB?)
>
> All this hablaboolaaa about Sonu being a great singer promptly invites
> for a flame-bait from me. Sonu is just an average singer, IMO. E.g.
> in the above song from Duniya Dilwalon Ki (a great song, BTW) --
SPB's singing is
> so effortless (and ah, his flowing voice) while Sonu is having a
really bad
> time.. he seems to putting in too much effort to 'show' emotion (a
Rafi
> hangover for sure :-) and falls flat on his voice. He comes out as
being
> very tense during singing.
i'll ignore that little swipe, arun :-) (though rafi has resorted to
histrionics on occasion)...my take? sonu is a talented and wonderfully
imaginative singer with a vibrant and energetic voice ('deewana dil'
and 'satrangi re' are examples of this), but i have to agree about the
"too much effort to show emotion" part - it comes out in sad/serious
songs, and sometimes (take the last 'aap apne se tum juDAAAAAA na raho'
in 'mujhse naaraaz ho to) sounds positively ridiculous.
regarding speculations on his age - having met him thru TVS Sa Re Ga
Ma, i know that his birthday is july 30, 1973 (making him roughly a
year older than me) - you do the math.
cheers,
--
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
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peeche ?..
Chetan Vinchhi <cvin...@lucent.com> wrote:
Richard Turner wrote:
>
> Now, who's going to do me a favour and start a Kavita Krishnamurthi
> thread?! ;o)
>
There. The thread has been started :)
I think she is the best singer of her generation. I
vaguely remember her from her very early days - I like
to call them her AAROHI days - as a TV singer. That must
have been at least 20 years back. She was an excellent
singer even then. And she has improved over the years.
In Hindi filmdom, she probably met with fairly limited
success initially. She spent a lot of her time singing
versions of songs that were used during the developmental
stages of the film, only to be dubbed over by the more
established singers. But she did not lose heart.
She got one of her first big breaks - unfortunately, IMO
- with 'havaa havaa_ii' from Mr.India. The song shot
her to instant fame and she started getting more singing
assignments. I said unfortunately because I think the
song was pitched at least a couple of notes too high
for her and she was stuck with that pitch for a while.
She sounded a little unnatural and her voice developed
a certain shrillness. But she carried on, becoming one
of the most sought-after singers around.
From the couple of interviews I have read, Kavita has a
wonderful attitude. She once talked about the shrillness
that I briefly mentioned above - how she learned about a
film journalist criticize her singing because of the
shrillness and how she started thinking about it and
worked hard to reduce it. And it has worked! She does
sound a lot better in her later songs.
What do I like about her singing? She is of course very
very good technically. Her diction is excellent. And
she seems to put her heart into it. I mean some of the
other singers (notably, Alka Yagnik) seem to be just
going through the motions without getting emotionally
involved. Kavita on the other hand emotes very well.
She has also retained a certain freshness in her voice
that others seem to have lost rather quickly (kind of
like the early Anuradha - a song that comes to mind is
'ye paudhe, ye patte...' from EK BAAR PHIR (?) with
music by Raghunath Seth, I think).
Unfortunately, I know next to nothing about her songs.
One of my favourites is her 'pyaar hu_aa chupake se'
from 1942ALS. I also liked her work in SAAZ, especially
the lori and the Miyan Malhar natya-sangeet type piece
towards the end of the film - 'baadal umaD baDh aaye'.
She has a couple of nice semi-classical numbers in
BHAIRAVI. And I remember being favourably impressed
with a song from SURAJ KA SAATVAAN GHODA; could somebody
please remind me of that song?
Any additions/corrections/comments welcome
C
Chetan Vinchhi
Neha K Desai
> She got one of her first big breaks - unfortunately, IMO
> - with 'havaa havaa_ii' from Mr.India. The song shot
> her to instant fame and she started getting more singing
> assignments.
Actually the first hit/popular song that I remember of hers is
from PYAR JHUKTA NAHI. I think she sang the kid's
version of the song
tumse milkar naa jaane kyun...aur bhi kuchh yaad aata hai...
I could be wrong though.
> From the couple of interviews I have read, Kavita has a
> wonderful attitude.
I recently caught her on Zee's SAREGAMA and she
was very nice and encouraging to the contestants. In
fact in one round Debu Chaudhary(??) asked the contested
to sing some song in 'saat maatraa' and the girl was
confused, Kavita helped the girl out by saying "maybe
something like 'megha chhaaye aadhi raat..'". The contestant
then went on to sing that song. I felt it was very nice of
her to do that.
And on Sonu Nigam's request she ended the show with her
part of 'tu hi re..'(BOMBAY). One of her very bests.
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SKalra902
made Alisha Chinoy so known to the HFM scene - Khuddaar, in 1994.
1. Woh Aankh hi kya (solo)
2. Khat likhnaa hunein (duet with Alka Yagnik)
Music was by Anu Malik.
Incidentally, someone may remember Sonu Nigam's interview in Filmfare from a
few years ago, in which he did give his age, but sounded as if he was trying to
keep it lower than actual.
But I am aalso not going to challenge Sanjeev R., who seems to have personal
and first hand knowledge about it.
In any event, this age matter should be of interest only to.... :))) Right?
I say that because in that Filmfare interview, SN did mention about his lost
love (in Delhi), etc., etc....
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Desi4Love
>From: ve...@cs.cornell.edu (Arun Verma)
>Date: Tue, 15 June 1999 10:12 AM EDT
>Message-id: <7k5mvm$5...@aya.cs.cornell.edu>
>
>>>. Duniya Dilwalon Ki (jaari jaa ae hawaa, with SPB?)
>
>All this hablaboolaaa about Sonu being a great singer promptly invites
>for a flame-bait from me. Sonu is just an average singer, IMO. E.g.
>in the above song from Duniya Dilwalon Ki (a great song, BTW) -- SPB's
>singing is
>so effortless (and ah, his flowing voice) while Sonu is having a really bad
>time.. he seems to putting in too much effort to 'show' emotion (a Rafi
>hangover for sure :-) and falls flat on his voice. He comes out as being
>very tense during singing.
Ditto feeling here. But Still, sonu is much
better than Udit, or sanu, IMO.
Sabbha sabbha hai sabbha from daud, was
missing in the list.
Desi4Love
>From: Vandana <vandana...@hotmail.com>
>Date: Mon, 14 June 1999 11:41 PM EDT
>Message-id: <7k4i1m$bcv$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>
>> few Sonu Nigam songs I know don't seem featured there. I am not
>> very sure they are all by Sonu Nigam. Someone confirm please?
>>
>> . Tezaab (so gayaa ye jahaa.n, so gayaa aasamaa.n?)
>
>
>which makes him too young to have sung in Tezaab (late 80s).
>
>>
>
Varai en thozhi in the movie jeans. He did
a good job, not only in singing, also in
pronouncing tamil words properly.
But same can be said about other hindi who tried to sing in tamil including
lata, and asha. He is defn. welcome to sing more songs there.
>
>
>>
>> Ashok
>>
>
>
>Vandana.
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arunabha shasanka roy
(established) singers, I too feel that she is the most impressive.
Kavita has certainly , in the last decade attained a fair level of popular
success. There may be a long string of her popular hits. But personally
speaking , two other films, besides the ones you mentioned, in which she
does a very good job , are " Khamoshi- The Musical " and "Bombay" . In
both films she was chosen somewhat as the principal singer (female) and as
such, sang a variety of songs covering different moods . In Khamoshi -TM,
while "aaj mai.n uupar" , "ye dil sun rahaa hai" and "gaate the pahale"
met with instant success (you could hear them on countdown shows all the
time) , it was unfortunate that "mausam ke sargam ko sun" somehow went
unnoticed. While the earlier songs were all very good , this one has her
singing with a special tenderness for Helen teaching her granddaughter ,
which makes the song special.
I did not realize that the decrease in her shrillness is the result of a
conscious effort in that direction. I would have attributed it to a
"maturing " of her voice or something to that effect . But it does make
her songs sound better.
I remember hearing her sing "o sajanaa barakhaa bahaar aayii" at the
rain-swept function that was held by the Maharashtra govt. to fete Lata on
her 60th birthday . She did a decent job. I noticed (to my great surprise
) that in a recent tape called "favourites of the stars - annu kapoor &
kavita K " she has sung, among others, a song of the calibre of "maa.Ng
me.n bhar le ra.ng sakhiirii " . While I have not heard her rendition (or
any of the songs on that album for that matter ) it shows some
considerable degree of confidence, simply ATTEMPTING this song. The fact
that Salil Chowdhury chose her for two non-trivial compositions in Swami
Vivekananda (which she performed quite satisfactorily ) and not anyone
else (from his standard set or otherwise ) too is a feather in her cap.
I am not aware if she has delved much in the non-film genre . She sang
togather with Hariharan and Ravindra Sathe in "Meghdutam" , a Music Today
release of about fifteen verses from the Sanskrit play. While I have no
knowledge to comment on whether she did justice to the Sanskrit part of
it, it was pleasant musically. She seems to have recorded (this year) a
"debut ghazal album" . (I don't think that her voice is well suited to
ghazals, but that's another story ) I am not sure about it being her debut
though. I have "nuktaachiin hai Gam-e-dil" by her in a tape called
"Soz-e-dil : Classical Ghazals" which is nearly ten years old if not more.
Someone has remarked earlier that the current generation of Hindi film
music there is a large number and variety of singers/voices employed.
Still, I have the feeling that Alka Yagnik continues to be the favourite
of the music arrangers today by an uncomfortable (undeserved ) margin.
(Much in the same way as Kumar "I can record 28 songs in a day" Sanu
annoyingly continues to top the charts ) Why that is so, is puzzling .
Kavita's shrillness mebbe a factor. It may be a contender for a
"conventional" versus "unconventional" debate. Who knows?
Arunabha
Ashok
>
>>> Has also sung in Tamil, I believe.
>>
>>Really? Would love references. He has a great voice.
>
>Varai en thozhi in the movie jeans. He did
>a good job, not only in singing, also in
>pronouncing tamil words properly.
Someone had claimed that the song is "inspired"
by "o meri sonaa re". Is it?
Ashok
Ashok
>There. The thread has been started :)
>
>
>C
Her debut song in Hindi films is a rendition of extended
parts of the famed "aaegaa aanewaalaa" in 1976. The film
was 'Kadambari', which had music by Vilayat Khan.
It was not an impressive rendering.
Ashok
pvyas
bhajans.Music is by Lalit Sen.
Except for couple of bhajans the whole album is very average.
Pankaj
SKalra902 wrote:
>
> Arunabha S. Roy wrote:
>
> ...snipped...>
>
> >I am not aware if she has delved much in the non-film genre .
>
> Well, one album that I know of is "Raam Naam Sukh Dhaam", a CD of bhajans with
> our very well known (and our very own, too, if I may say so) Sanjeev
> Ramabhadran. This was released sometime in 1995.
> An excellent bhajan album, especially for Sanjeev's "koyee nindo koyee bindo,
> koyee kaise kaho re", and KK's "Hey raam".
>
> Happy listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra
SKalra902
Richard Turner
100...@harper.uchicago.edu>, arunabha shasanka roy
<as...@midway.uchicago.edu> writes
>Thanks, Chetan, for a nice write-up on Kavita K.
Seconded. Thank you to everyone who has contributed, especially Chetan
and Arunabha. I have taken the liberty of printing copies of your posts
for future reference.
> Among the current crop of
>(established) singers, I too feel that she is the most impressive.
The reason I wished to see a thread on Kavita is because she is my
favourite singer.
>
> In Khamoshi -TM,
>while "aaj mai.n uupar" , "ye dil sun rahaa hai" and "gaate the pahale"
>met with instant success (you could hear them on countdown shows all the
>time) , it was unfortunate that "mausam ke sargam ko sun" somehow went
>unnoticed. While the earlier songs were all very good , this one has her
>singing with a special tenderness for Helen teaching her granddaughter ,
>which makes the song special.
Yes. This is one of the few songs involving children that doesn't make
me cringe! Anyone know what the young Shraddha, her co-singer here, is
up to these days? It's been three years since that recording...
>
>I did not realize that the decrease in her shrillness is the result of a
>conscious effort in that direction. I would have attributed it to a
>"maturing " of her voice or something to that effect . But it does make
>her songs sound better.
I go with the "maturing" thesis, although Kavita's own comments on the
subject have always been ambiguous, if defensive. For example:
"There's this one particular critic who regularly takes pot-shots at me.
It's all a part of this profession. But yes, the critic in question must
be having his own reasons. I have not even met him. I wish he'd write 'I
do not like Kavita's voice,' period, rather than be continuously unfair
like that."
('g' magazine, July 1991)
"There was probably a shrill factor that I had to correct...
...Automatically when one's voice goes beyond a certain range, one's
voice does sound shrill. That must be why he [the unnamed critic] said
this. This was said quite a many years ago and I was happy to learn that
the same journalist has written well about me in 1942 A Love Story and
some other albums..."
http://www.indolink.com/bollywood/people/kavita.html
"I don't like myself in the higher notes, though I have to manage them
somehow (laughs). My nephew is honest enough to say 'Aap please upar mat
gaya karo'."
http://www.filmfare.com/site/june98/tunein1.htm
Personally, I have not noticed any shrillness in Kavita's recordings
since 1942 ALS, but the little I've heard of her '80s output suggests
that she was being given songs which were simply pitched too high in
those days, hence the unfortunate reputation.
>
> The fact
>that Salil Chowdhury chose her for two non-trivial compositions in Swami
>Vivekananda (which she performed quite satisfactorily )
An understatement, I think!
> and not anyone
>else (from his standard set or otherwise ) too is a feather in her cap.
Who else would he have chosen? IMO, Swami Vivekananda demonstrates
Kavita's flair for devotional songs. If you enjoy bhajans, you should
really try the collection "Meera Ke Ram" (1996).
>
> She seems to have recorded (this year) a
>"debut ghazal album" . (I don't think that her voice is well suited to
>ghazals, but that's another story ) I am not sure about it being her debut
>though.
This would be her recording with the Pakistani singer, Ghulam Ali,
mentioned on her (rarely updated) website. I think it's at
http://www.kavita.com
but I could be wrong.
>
>Someone has remarked earlier that the current generation of Hindi film
>music there is a large number and variety of singers/voices employed.
>Still, I have the feeling that Alka Yagnik continues to be the favourite
>of the music arrangers today by an uncomfortable (undeserved ) margin.
>(Much in the same way as Kumar "I can record 28 songs in a day" Sanu
>annoyingly continues to top the charts ) Why that is so, is puzzling .
>Kavita's shrillness mebbe a factor. It may be a contender for a
>"conventional" versus "unconventional" debate. Who knows?
Well, Alka Yagnik does seem to be getting all the good songs these days.
We can only speculate as to why this is. A lack of imagination on the
part of financiers, or MDs? A repeat of the Lata (alleged) "monopoly",
only the names having been changed? Your guess is as good as mine. I can
only complain that Kavita is wasted on so many inane disco numbers, when
her voice is much better suited to romantic and devotional songs.
Once again, thanks everybody.
--
Richard Turner
S44218
Bhajan recordings.
Mukesh had done an abridged 8 cassette version of the Tulsi Ramayana under the
music direction of Murli Manohar Svarup in the eighties
After that was completed, Manna Dey -- under MMS' direction -- did another
four recordings as a companion to Mukesh's Ramayana which focussed on the
sections of the Tulsi's Bala Kanda which describe on the marriage of Shiva and
Parvati and the reasons for RAma's avatara.
Kavita sang on the last two recordings doing choruses, some small solos, and
some very short duets with Manna Dey. Kavita happened to replace Sudha Malhotra
who sang on the second album and Vani Jayaram who sang the female lead on the
Mukesh set.
I have the whole Mukesh set, but (alas !!) only 3 out of the 4 of the Manna Dey
recordings. Kavita sang well in her contribution to those recordings, but one
cannot really judge her adequately. She sings a few dohas, chaupais, and
chhandas. The major singer was Manna Dey and so the majority of the lines are
sung by him.
I don't think that the Manna Dey set is around anymore. I couldn't track it
down at all in India despite the fact the Mukesh set had been re-released on
tape (and now CDs). I talked to the producer of the recordings and he said the
Manna Dey set will be issued when only a demand warrants it. So, those early
Kavita recordings from the eighties will still be unaccessible.
Yours,
Sandip.
ashwi...@my-deja.com
Chetan Vinchhi <cvin...@lucent.com> wrote:
> Richard Turner wrote:
> >
> > Now, who's going to do me a favour and start a Kavita Krishnamurthi
> > thread?! ;o)
> >
>
That's a nice write up on Kavita Krishnamurthi, Chetan. Learnt a lot
about KK that I did not know. In general, I agree with you, and despite
the shrill notes, what I like about her is the heavier voice quality.
She is important (in a Geeta Dutt way) because she breaks the
virginal-heroines-with-thin-voices mould. But every now and then I feel
she over emotes (Sonu Nigam has the same problem, I think) and to
illustrate my point, the song I can think of right now, is
unfortunately, pyaar hua chupke se. The part where she laughs literally
while singing "phul hansaa chupke se" could have been more subtle and
therefore more effective. I absolutely love her "havaa havaaii" and "aaj
main upar".
(In one of the Saregama shows, Sonu was talking about this emoting angle
and he said that he thinks of the actor who is going to be singing that
song and tries to think of his speaking voice. He was explaining why he
sang the Pardes song "yeh dil deewana" the way he did. Interesting and
important, but every now and then singers over emote and that robs the
song of some of its emotional intensity, I think. Kishore Kumar was the
master at this with his RAjesh Khanna voice, Amitabh voice, though my
personal favorite is his Sanjeev Kumar voice).
>. And I remember being favourably impressed
> with a song from SURAJ KA SAATVAAN GHODA; could somebody
> please remind me of that song?
Is this "yeh shaamen, sabki sab shaamen, kya in shaamon ka arth nahin"?
BEAUTIFUL duet! (Roopa, are you there? REmember this song -- this was
used in the play "Raaste". Do you remember if KK sang it? Also, I wonder
who the male singer is).
Ashwini.
>
> Any additions/corrections/comments welcome
>
> C
hn...@yahoo.com
skal...@aol.com (SKalra902) wrote:
> Incidentally, someone may remember Sonu Nigam's interview in Filmfare
from a
> few years ago, in which he did give his age, but sounded as if he was
trying to
> keep it lower than actual.
Satishji, do you have an idea as to what year was that? The filmfare
website doesn't even have a simple search engine, although they do
have an archive upto 96/97. Does someone remember which issue was
that?
Hema.
hn...@yahoo.com
>
> All this hablaboolaaa about Sonu being a great singer promptly invites
> for a flame-bait from me. Sonu is just an average singer, IMO. E.g.
> in the above song from Duniya Dilwalon Ki (a great song, BTW) --
Is this a movie name? I checked the local Indian store and they
haven't heard that title. Can someone provide info about its
availability and a brief review? Vinay had mentioned about the Hindi
adaption of Alladin soundtrack. Info on availability of that will also
be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.
Richard Turner
<s44...@aol.com> writes
>Actually, Kavitha has done more non-film fare than just the Meera and Ram
>Bhajan recordings.
[...]
A fascinating post, Sandip. Time for a celebrity (non-film) devotional
songs thread, anyone?! I, for one, would appreciate knowing about any
personal favourites than people might have. But before we go there, did
anyone else notice last year's Dulhan Banoo Mein Teri, in which Kavita
sings "Mere man mein hai tu", which then becomes the Hare Krishna maha-
mantra? A subtle, and all the more powerful, transition between earthly
romance, and contemplation of the divine. What a contrast to the other
(for me) highlight of this otherwise lacklustre Ram Lakshman score, the
frivolous "Jadhugar jadhugar", with Udit Narayan and Kavita.
Cheers,
--
Richard Turner
Richard Turner
>In article <7k5mvm$5...@aya.cs.cornell.edu>,
> ve...@cs.cornell.edu (Arun Verma) wrote:
>> >>. Duniya Dilwalon Ki (jaari jaa ae hawaa, with SPB?)
>>
>> All this hablaboolaaa about Sonu being a great singer promptly invites
>> for a flame-bait from me. Sonu is just an average singer, IMO. E.g.
>> in the above song from Duniya Dilwalon Ki (a great song, BTW) --
>
>Is this a movie name? I checked the local Indian store and they
>haven't heard that title. Can someone provide info about its
>availability and a brief review?
Duniya Dilwalon Ki (Kathir, 1996)
MD: A.R.Rahman
Lyrics: P.K.Mishra and Mehboob
Songs and Singers: Hello Doctor
K.Kay, Storms, Noell, and Anupama
Jaana Jaana
S.P.Balasubramanian
Jaari Jaa E Hawa
S.P.B., Sonu Nigam, and Dominic
College Ke Saathi
Hariharan, K.Kay, and Aslam Mustafa
O Meri Jaa
Sonu Nigam
Mustafa, Mustafa
A.R.Rahman
The amount of "Hinglish" in these titles might give a clue as to their
content. It's ARR in Hindi Pop mode. The fact that I have hardly played
my copy (a gift from an acquaintance in India) since I returned from my
first visit, early in '97, speaks volumes for my own opinion! I recall
enjoying "Mustafa, Mustafa". Worth having, perhaps, but if you want ARR
at his best, stick to Bombay and Dil Se. As for availabilty, it's on the
Venus label, and being a Rahman score, you should be able to find it in
any well-stocked shop ("store", if you must!).
> Vinay had mentioned about the Hindi
>adaption of Alladin soundtrack. Info on availability of that will also
>be greatly appreciated.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Hema.
--
Richard Turner
Chetan Vinchhi
This is a response to a couple of different posts. Hope
it doesn't appear to be too cluttered.
ashwi...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> She is important (in a Geeta Dutt way) because she breaks the
> virginal-heroines-with-thin-voices mould. But every now and then I feel
> she over emotes (Sonu Nigam has the same problem, I think) and to
> illustrate my point, the song I can think of right now, is
> unfortunately, pyaar hua chupke se. The part where she laughs literally
> while singing "phul hansaa chupke se" could have been more subtle and
> therefore more effective.
How dare you speak ill of that song?
:) just kidding.
Actually, I don't know enough of Kavita's songs well enough
to comment on this particular aspect. I don't even know the
1942ALS song too well! I do remember listening to it for the
first time, incredulous that this could be a song from the
90s. I immediately declared it to be the best song of the
year, a tad unfairly since I had not heard most of the songs
from the period. Imagine how thrilled I was when Kavita was
adjudged best singer of the year for this very song!
Subsequent listenings of the song only reinforced my first
very positive appraisal. It is quite likely that she overdoes
the emoting bit in this song or even in general. But that is
much better than the Kansas-flat renditions of Alka and
Anuradha. (I have to admit that Sadhana Sargam often emotes
quite well in her songs.)
> I absolutely love her "havaa havaaii" and "aaj
> main upar".
Don't know the latter song. The former is just an okay song
for me.
> but every now and then singers over emote and that robs the
> song of some of its emotional intensity, I think. Kishore Kumar was the
> master at this with his RAjesh Khanna voice, Amitabh voice, though my
> personal favorite is his Sanjeev Kumar voice).
Do you mean KK (senior) was a master at overemoting and robbing
the song of some of its intensity? Go Rafians :)
> Is this "yeh shaamen, sabki sab shaamen, kya in shaamon ka arth nahin"?
> BEAUTIFUL duet! (Roopa, are you there? REmember this song -- this was
> used in the play "Raaste". Do you remember if KK sang it? Also, I wonder
> who the male singer is).
Now that you mention it, I think the song I was thinking of was
indeed a duet. But the words do not ring any bells :( Is the song
available? Otherwise, I will have to rent the movie again just
for this song!
Arunabha wrote:
> Kavita has certainly , in the last decade attained a fair level of popular
> success. There may be a long string of her popular hits. But personally
> speaking , two other films, besides the ones you mentioned, in which she
> does a very good job , are " Khamoshi- The Musical " and "Bombay" .
Thanks for the pointer; I am familiar with neither soundtrack. I have
heard BOMBAY but do not remember much.
> I did not realize that the decrease in her shrillness is the result of a
> conscious effort in that direction. I would have attributed it to a
> "maturing " of her voice or something to that effect . But it does make
> her songs sound better.
Interesting theory, one that Richard seems to agree with. But I am
not sure what you guys mean by maturing. She must be around 40 or
so right now, meaning she was already an adult by the time she sang
some of her shrillest songs. I am not sure whether aging leads to a
decrease in the shrillness of some voices. OTOH, if you mean a
maturing of style etc. then undesirable elements such as shrillness
must have been weeded out by at least some conscious effort.
> The fact
> that Salil Chowdhury chose her for two non-trivial compositions in Swami
> Vivekananda (which she performed quite satisfactorily ) and not anyone
> else (from his standard set or otherwise ) too is a feather in her cap.
I just acquired the album, haven't gotten around to listening to
it. Shall look forward to Kavita's songs now. Thanks.
Ashok wrote:
> Her debut song in Hindi films is a rendition of extended
> parts of the famed "aaegaa aanewaalaa" in 1976. The film
> was 'Kadambari', which had music by Vilayat Khan.
>
> It was not an impressive rendering.
That's interesting. What do you mean by "extended parts"? Were
these parts similar/identical in tune, orchestration and tempo
to the original? Or were they variations of the original? You
know, the song is such that it is extremely difficult to
capture the effect of the original. I doubt if anyone (even
Lata) could come close to emulating the magic.
Your mentioning this song reminds me of the Noorjehan show in
Bombay in 81/82. Kavita and Hariharan sang a bunch of old
songs. She made quite a few mistakes and overall her renditions
were not very impressive. I had attributed it to nervousness
at singing in such exalted company, combined with her relative
lack of experience at the time.
C
Surajit A. Bose
in the late seventies. She sang a wonderful rendition of "rasik balamaa,
dil kyo.n lagaayaa tose" that bowled me over. That was the first time I
had heard her voice.
Question: I also seem to remember her singing "sholaa jo bha.Dake dil
meraa dha.Dake" with C Ramchandra, on perhaps the same show. Am I
imagining things, or did this really happen?
-s
Mo
that Lata has not ..
Ashok
>
>(In one of the Saregama shows, Sonu was talking about this emoting angle
>and he said that he thinks of the actor who is going to be singing that
>song and tries to think of his speaking voice. He was explaining why he
>sang the Pardes song "yeh dil deewana" the way he did. Interesting and
>important, but every now and then singers over emote and that robs the
>song of some of its emotional intensity, I think. Kishore Kumar was the
>master at this with his RAjesh Khanna voice, Amitabh voice, though my
>personal favorite is his Sanjeev Kumar voice).
>
>Ashwini.
Just to make sure what you are saying: So, according to you,
Kishore was the worst offender in terms of over-emoting and
robbing the song of some of its emotional intensity?
Ashok
Hemlata N. Khemani
> She got one of her first big breaks - unfortunately, IMO
> - with 'havaa havaa_ii' from Mr.India. The song shot
> her to instant fame and she started getting more singing
Her first song was "kaahe ko byaahi vides" from 70s IIRC. She mentioned
and played that song once upon a time on "vishesh Jaimala". Thereafter, I
heard that song more than once on "Ek Fankar", that was a relatively new
program on VV back in the late eighties. If the program was on KK, you
were sure to hear it. Now she has a more expanded repertoire of songs to
her credit.
> assignments. I said unfortunately because I think the
> song was pitched at least a couple of notes too high
> for her and she was stuck with that pitch for a while.
Neha mentioned in a post that "tu hi re" was among her best. I have a
contrary opinion. I think the notes in that song were too high for her
and she seemed to be screaming after the first four lines in the antara,
while Hariharan's voice provided a contrast. I can remember that tune but
not the exact words by KK. I do remember the words by Hariharan but
somehow I would lose my attention span when KK would start singing that
antara of "sau baar bulaye main sau baar aauun" something something...
Talking of Alka and Anuradha (why do people leave out Sadhna Sargam?), I
recently read a headline quote by ANu Malik somewhere. It said "Alka is
today's Lata Mangeshkar" and that was an indication enough for me not to
bother reading the entire writeup. When Anuradha returned to playback
singing for non-T Series films, an interviewer asked KK what her reaction
was. KK replied that it would affect Alka the most since Anuradha sings
the kind of songs Alka does. KK herself claimed to sing songs with a
classical base and thus she felt no threat from Anuradha's return!
Hema.
-
Speed gets you nowhere if you're headed the wrong way!
Desi4Love
>>
>>Varai en thozhi in the movie jeans. He did
>>a good job, not only in singing, also in
>>pronouncing tamil words properly.
>
>Someone had claimed that the song is "inspired"
>by "o meri sonaa re". Is it?
>
one to relate.
>
>Ashok
>
>
>
>
>
>
Ashok
>
>
>Thanks for the pointer; I am familiar with neither soundtrack. I have
>heard BOMBAY but do not remember much.
What? One listen wasn't enough to remember the songs of
'Bombay'? I conclude that there goes an anti-Rahmaniac!
>Ashok wrote:
>
>> Her debut song in Hindi films is a rendition of extended
>> parts of the famed "aaegaa aanewaalaa" in 1976. The film
>> was 'Kadambari', which had music by Vilayat Khan.
>>
>> It was not an impressive rendering.
>
>That's interesting. What do you mean by "extended parts"? Were
>these parts similar/identical in tune, orchestration and tempo
>to the original?
Not the full song, but more than just a couple of lines.
Identical (or, at least, meant to be!) in tune and tempo.
Don't remember the orchestration.
Or were they variations of the original? You
>know, the song is such that it is extremely difficult to
>capture the effect of the original. I doubt if anyone (even
>Lata) could come close to emulating the magic.
>
>C
You might be interested in what the journalist Nalin Shah
had to say. On some occasion, he heard Dilraj Kaur render
"aayega aanewaala." He says that he was stunned; he hadn't
thought such a thing was possible, but he swears that it was
better than the original. Now, I am aware that Nalin Shah
is not a great admirer of Lata and often indulges in negative
comments. But he seemed sincere about this.
Mention Dilraj Kaur and my memories take me to mid-1970s,
a few years after "bole re paphiharaa" had triggered hopes
that a fresh voice had arrived in Hindi film playback singing.
The threat represented by Vani Jairam to the twp duopolists was
effectively controlled and all one got to hear were the screechings
of the screamster sisters. Then, out of the blue, one began
to hear on the radio a lovely song by a very fresh and appealing
female voice:
. saawan aayaa, baadal aaye
mere piyaa nahi.n aaye
Nice tune, very nicely sung by an apparently well-trained person.
The singer was Dilraj Kaur. It was from a film 'Jaan Hazir Hai'
starring all newcomers: Prem Kishore, Nitasha, and one Shekhar
Kapoor (I have no idea if he is the same one). The music was
by one Jai Kumar Parte and the lyrics by Shaili Shailendra. The
film sank without a trace, and I don't know if the music director
got any more chances. But couple of songs from the film are quite
fresh in my memory. The other one is duet by Dilraj Kaur and
Amit Kumar:
. ham na rahenge, tum na rahenge
pyaar hamaara hamesha rahegaa
By then, one had learnt the lesson from the "bole re papihara"
experience and thus avoided having false hopes for fresh singers.
Sometime after that, I left India and haven't kept track of the
singer. I am not sure if 'Jaan Hazir Hai' was Dilraj Kaur's
debut film.
According to Nalin Shah, Dilraj Kaur is too independent-minded a
person to try to make it as a playback singer. She just didn't
dig the film playback scene. She didn't care to kowtow to
music directors, producers, directors, and assorted film folk,
the way one would have to in order to pursue that career path.
I believe she is an excellent thumri and ghazal singer. A
case somewhat analogous to that of Chhaya Ganguli.
Folks, now that RMIM seems to be in a mood to go beyond the
run of the mill, I am eager to come to know of other songs by
Dilraj Kaur, film and non-film.
Ashok
Prince Kohli
>
>You might be interested in what the journalist Nalin Shah
>had to say. On some occasion, he heard Dilraj Kaur render
>"aayega aanewaala." He says that he was stunned; he hadn't
>thought such a thing was possible, but he swears that it was
>better than the original. Now, I am aware that Nalin Shah
Does he mention any means of getting one's hands on her rendition?
>. saawan aayaa, baadal aaye
> mere piyaa nahi.n aaye
>
>Nice tune, very nicely sung by an apparently well-trained person.
>The singer was Dilraj Kaur. It was from a film 'Jaan Hazir Hai'
/*/
>fresh in my memory. The other one is duet by Dilraj Kaur and
>Amit Kumar:
>
>. ham na rahenge, tum na rahenge
> pyaar hamaara hamesha rahegaa
>
>Folks, now that RMIM seems to be in a mood to go beyond the
>run of the mill, I am eager to come to know of other songs by
>Dilraj Kaur, film and non-film.
I mentioned her in a post about a couple of weeks back, parts of
which I am reproducing here. The context was an analysis of the
CD with songs from the movies "Heera-Moti" and "Taxi Driver." The
following was my take on it:
--
This CD would be a great buy even if it had only Heera-Moti
songs. One of the best examples of the use of the Punjabi touch
in the Hindi movie industry. The female singer in all songs is
Dilraj Kaur whose voice I am extremely fond of. She is a nice
combination of Runa Laila and Asha and has a very attractive
zest in her voice. Lusty singing.
There is one Manna Dey/Rafi quawwali I think, and there is a Rafi
duet with Dilraj Kaur, plus probably three solos by the latter.
All the Dilraj songs are good - tum khud ko dekhte ko apni nazar se,
then there is a birthday song and one more.
Music is by OPNayar.
--
If you like Dilraj Kaur, then you will love this CD. I can list
the songs if someone desires. I would also be interested in what
anyone else knows about other movies and song collections by her.
-Prince
--
Prince Kohli, PhD Software Technology Group
pri...@sgi.com Silicon Graphics
S44218
recording that I have at home by her, she has been very deeply interested in
the folk music of Uttar Pradesh and has deep training in classical music. She
apparently has done her training in classical music in Lucknow ( I think -- I
would have to look this up) and has an MA in English literature.
The cassette I got this info from is a cassette she recorded for Magnasound of
thumris and dadras and tappa which was rather nice. It might still be
available at Shrimatis which is where I bought it last year. I can't think of
anything off hand from film by Dilarj Kaur except for her contributions to the
movie "Alaap" under the music direction of Jaidev. She sang the Bhairavi
composition "Mata Sarasvati Sharada" once with Lata and again with Madhurani
(at leas to me, another find singer) and Yesudas.
As for non-film, I always seem to have her singing in devotional recordings. I
had mentioned Kavita's contribution to the HMV Tulsi Ramayana project in an
earlier posting where she sang in choruses. Dilraj had sang in the choruses for
the Mukesh portion of that series where the female choruses were lead by Vani
Jairam. Dilraj there had no solos.
She, however, did a rather nice recording with Hari Om Sharan called "Sri
Krishna Charit Manas" under the direction of Pandit Raghunath Seth for HMV. The
recording is excerpts from a book by some Acharya from Allahabad who used the
style of the Ramcharitmanas to describe Krishna lila.
Hari Om Sharan did the principal singing while Dilraj sang a few short numbers
where she was accompanied by a chorus. There she did quite a nice job even she
was playing a secondary role in the recording. The music was obviously very
light but grounded in ragas of different varieites. It was nice to hear Dilraj
sing in this style and it was especialy nice to hear Hari Om Sharan with his
then rich and moving voice sing something classically based after he parted
ways with Murli Manohar Svarup in the eighties.
I have a very beaten up recording fo this cassette at home. It seems to be
available in India, but no longer available through Shrimatis in CA where I
buy my cassettes.
One of the contributors to the group has posted requests for info. on Dilraj's
CD set for some Austrian company of classical compositions (thumris, etc.. ). I
never saw a resonse for that, but if someone has it please let me know how i
can get my hands on that.
The only other thing I can think of off hand for Dilraj's non-film is her
recording with Jagjit and Asha of modern Punjabi poetry. I have seen it but
haven't heard it.
Maybe someone else can help there.
On the whole, I think she is a super singer, but recordings by her at least in
the non-filmi area are difficult to come by.
Hope this helps...
Sandip.
Vinay
must be knowing about that. Released somewhere around late 94 in India.
It was dubbed in Hindi as well. The music tracks were same as of the
original version. And i think it was one of the better translated score
too.
regards,
Vinay
In article <57$L8jAUb...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk>,
Richard Turner <ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <7k5fna$kad$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, Vinay <v...@bigfoot.com>
writes
> >One that you miss below Richard, is my favourite Sonu Nigam song -
> >"SapnoN ka jahaaN" from Alladin (Hindi dub version). Magically sung.
> >
> >Vinay
>
> <my list snipped>
> I'm sorry, Vinay. I can honestly say that I've never even heard of
this
> score. Details please? What language is it dubbed from? Thanks for the
> URLs, BTW.
> --
> Richard Turner
>
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ashwi...@my-deja.com
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:
> In article <7k8gl5$njj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, ashwi...@my-deja.com
says...
> >
>
, but every now and then singers over emote and that robs
the
> >song of some of its emotional intensity, I think. Kishore Kumar was
the
> >master at this with his RAjesh Khanna voice, Amitabh voice, though my
> >personal favorite is his Sanjeev Kumar voice).
>
> >
>
> Just to make sure what you are saying: So, according to you,
> Kishore was the worst offender in terms of over-emoting and
> robbing the song of some of its emotional intensity?
>
> Ashok
>
Aiyoo! How could I? Write so sloppily, that is. Many apologies! What I
meant, Ashok and Chetan, is that some singers, who I like and who are
genearally good at emoting, *sometimes* (current examples -- Sonu and
Kavita) "over emote and rob the song etc...".
Writing of Sonu reminded me of this story from Saregama, and the
song yeh dil deewana, and from there, one aspect of emoting viz. singing
voice consciously tailored to match speaking voice of actor. So,
while all singers can't do this well, there are some who are very good
at that, prime example, Kishore Kumar, who not only did the relatively
easy ones well(Rajesh Khanna and Amitabh Bacchan) but in my opinion, was
great in the more difficult ones too (e.g. Sanjeev Kumar).
Hope I am clear this time. Well, I will know soon enough :) I really
must use the preview option in Deja and read my own post before sending
it! Next time.
BTW, Chetan, I found that getting the soundtrack of "Suraj ka..." was
not easy, at least in Delhi. I heard this song "yeh shaamen.." used in
this play and remembered that I had liked it in the film and then looked
around for this soundtrack, but did not get in Delhi ("madam, iski
demand nahi hai, ji" was the standard answer).
Ashwini.
Kolachala Kalyan
>
> By then, one had learnt the lesson from the "bole re papihara"
> experience and thus avoided having false hopes for fresh singers.
> Sometime after that, I left India and haven't kept track of the
> singer. I am not sure if 'Jaan Hazir Hai' was Dilraj Kaur's
> debut film.
>
> According to Nalin Shah, Dilraj Kaur is too independent-minded a
> person to try to make it as a playback singer. She just didn't
> dig the film playback scene. She didn't care to kowtow to
> music directors, producers, directors, and assorted film folk,
> the way one would have to in order to pursue that career path.
> I believe she is an excellent thumri and ghazal singer. A
I remember reading an interview recently (hope I am not imagining
things).
She mentioned that she got married and hence left the industry and came
back for private albums etc. The tone was similar to the Sudha Malhotra
interview - "I could have achieved more but I am happily married and
that's
fine too". Nalin Shah also mentioned something similar when he was here.
I like her singing a lot. Her style is like Asha's but her voice is more
robust and
her singing more relaxed. She has no match for fun/masti-bhara songs. If
one
were to go by Ashok's conspiracy theory, it would be Asha who would gain
more
by hurting her career :)
I remember a nice song of hers that goes:
"Ammi ko chummi, papa ko pyaar"
and at least one more good one in the same tape but I can't remember.
Recently she
has been singing title songs for tv serials. One I can remember for sure
is
"Tauba meri tauba".
- Kalyan
>
> case somewhat analogous to that of Chhaya Ganguli.
>
> Folks, now that RMIM seems to be in a mood to go beyond the
> run of the mill, I am eager to come to know of other songs by
> Dilraj Kaur, film and non-film.
>
> Ashok
Vandana
Kolachala Kalyan <kal...@fnc.fujitsu.com> wrote:
>
> I like her singing a lot. Her style is like Asha's but her voice is
> more robust and her singing more relaxed. She has no match for
> fun/masti-bhara songs. If one were to go by Ashok's conspiracy
> theory, it would be Asha who would gain more by hurting her career :)
:-) Actually there is a direct yardstick for comparision in this
respect. "Mausam mastana rasta anjaana" is a fun/masti-bhara song and
it is a duet of Asha and Dilraj Kaur.
She has got a nice voice indeed, and she has a very confident rendition
style.
Vandana.
P.S. I have one spurious cassette of Rusvayi/Shapath, and one of these
soundtracks features Dilraj Kaur extensively. More details later.
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> I remember hearing her sing "o sajanaa barakhaa bahaar aayii" at the
> rain-swept function that was held by the Maharashtra govt. to fete Lata on
> her 60th birthday . She did a decent job. I noticed (to my great surprise
> ) that in a recent tape called "favourites of the stars - annu kapoor &
> kavita K " she has sung, among others, a song of the calibre of "maa.Ng
> me.n bhar le ra.ng sakhiirii " . While I have not heard her rendition (or
> any of the songs on that album for that matter ) it shows some
> considerable degree of confidence, simply ATTEMPTING this song. The fact
> that Salil Chowdhury chose her for two non-trivial compositions in Swami
> Vivekananda (which she performed quite satisfactorily ) and not anyone
> else (from his standard set or otherwise ) too is a feather in her cap.
Do you know the p-stats for the above song: "maa.Ng..."?
Also, when did the music for SV come out? Can someone give me a short
review?
Thanks in advance,
Achyut
Achyut Joshi
Achyut
On Wed, 16 Jun 1999, Mo wrote:
> Date: Wed, 16 JUN 1999 23:12:59 GMT
> From: Mo <10033...@compuserve.com>
> Newgroups: rec.music.indian.misc, rec.arts.movies.local.indian
> Subject: Re: Kavita Krishnamurthi [was Re: Sonu Nigam's "Deewana"]
Snehal B. Oza
Thanks for the nice post on Dilraj Kaur (also about Tulsi Ramayan by HMV).
I have heard one non-film Dilraj Kaur song written by Amir Khusro: Amma Mere
Bhai Ko Bejyo Jee, Ke Saawan Ayaa.... A very touching lyrics and equally well
put across by Sudha Malhotra, Dilraj Kaur, Krishna Kalle and Pushpa Pandhhere.
Don't know who has set the tune, it's really haunting.
BTW, any info on Pushpa Pandhhere ?
Regards,
Snehal
Richard Turner
e.edu>, Achyut Joshi <as...@duke.edu> writes
>
>Also, when did the music for SV come out? Can someone give me a short
>review?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Achyut
Swami Vivekananda (G.V.Iyer 1998)
MD: Salil Chowdhury
Lyrics: Gulzar
Songs/Singers: Manjhi Re
Antara Chowdury
Chalo Man
Yesudas
O Sanyasi
Asha Bhosle and Yesudas
Bina Prem Dheeraj Nahin
Yesudas
Nahi Sooraj Nahi Jyoti
Yesudas
Vanmali
Kavita Krishnamurthi
Prabhuji More
Kavita Krishnamurthi
Re Maan Krishna Naam
Anup Jalota
I don't feel qualified to be able to criticise this music. It's the
first Salil Chowdhury score I've heard, for one thing, and the music is
clearly rooted in the bhajan style, of which I have little experience.
But I find the entire score to be superbly executed. Asha is lively and
confident in O Sanyasi (giving those of us who think her singing is in
decline occasion to reconsider), Kavita is at her best, especially in
the haunting Prabhuji More, Yesudas is a perhaps a little too relaxed in
places, but otherwise plays his part with ease, Antara Chowdhury (a new
name to me) is assertive, yet pleasant, and Anup Jalota breezes in with
an apparently effortless but engaging Krishna bhajan to round it all
off. I have no idea of the content of the film (I don't think it has
even been released yet), but the songs suggest a straightforward
biography of this ambassador of Sanatana Dharma.
Happy listenings,
--
Richard Turner
arunabha shasanka roy
I like her singing a lot......singing more relaxed. She has no match for
fun/masti-bhara songs.
I see. Not even Geeta Dutt, Kalyan ? ;-)
Arunabha
Mo
everybody singing her songs . Somebody did comment that the
contestants chose the older songs as they were so much
better..
Sohail Khan
Richard Turner wrote in message
<$iYaKOAI...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk>...
>In article <19990616093310...@ng-co1.aol.com>, S44218
><s44...@aol.com> writes
>>Actually, Kavitha has done more non-film fare than just the Meera and Ram
>>Bhajan recordings.
What about the recording Kavita did of Rabindrasangeet that came out a
couple of years ago? In my opinion one of the best rabindrasangeet albums
I've heard in a while! What did others make of it?
Sohail
S44218
I heard the soundtrack and it had me ready to go screaming down the hallway of
my apartment building. I would rather listen to the soundtracks I have from
Bengali devotional movies form the 50s and the 60s that contain the songs that
Vivekananda sang for Ramakrishna Those songs really capture the style that one
associates with the type of songs that Vivekanada sang and the styles that
Bengalis would associate with those genre of songs.
The Hindi version didn't even come close to that.... I was sorely disappointed
because Salil Chowdhury didn't seem to want to make an effort to want to even
approximate the style which has is based loosely on various musical styles
(tappa, thumr, dhrupad, and folk). I haven't seen the movie yet. I hope it is
better than the music.
Sandip.
S44218
Actually interesting you brought that recrding up. That was from the recording
"The Genius of Amir Khusro" put out by HMV to celebrate Hazrat Khusro's
birthday.
The music was by Murli Manohar Svarup and Pushpa Pagdhare was also in the Tulsi
Ramayan choruses
I wish I could find another copy of that tape. It had some nice short Qawwals
by Shambhu Shankar Qawwal. Also a duet by Mukesh and Sudha Malhotra, a solo by
Jasraj, and a solo by Kankana Banerjee.
Sandip.
S44218
she sing it in the Bengali ? Or were these those dreadful Hindi versions ?
Sandip.
rdha...@my-deja.com
with me if I have to do this a couple more times!
Roopa
rdha...@my-deja.com
rdha...@my-deja.com
ashwi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> the shrill notes, what I like about her is the heavier voice quality.
> She is important (in a Geeta Dutt way) because she breaks the
> virginal-heroines-with-thin-voices mould.
Does she really do that, Ashwini? Don't quite agree. To my ears, KK,
along with all the others, sounds very much in the
virginal-heroines-with-thin-voices league. I suppose she has a
marginally deeper voice than, say, Alka Y, but only marginally.
Unnees-bees ka farq hai. And then there's the problem of high pitches as
well, so that even if you have a heavier voice, if you're going to
squeak your way through song after song, you're still doing the
virginal-heroines with-high-pitches thing. It's quite possible, as
Chetan observes, that she's begun singing at lower pitches, but
considering the impossible notes she was trying to hit earlier, I don't
think a few notes down makes all that dramatic a difference. As someone
mentioned elsewhere in this thread, "tu hi re" is a case in point, and I
reckon she'd have to sing that song at least half an octave lower to
even begin to produce an unusual female singing sound. These hight
pitches to which the songs are set are not her doing, of course.
Rahmaan, much as I like his music, seems to have a particular penchant
for stretching the limits of the female voice beyond reason. But whoever
is responsible, the result is the squeaking-same.
> she over emotes (Sonu Nigam has the same problem, I think) and to
> illustrate my point, the song I can think of right now, is
> unfortunately, pyaar hua chupke se. The part where she laughs
literally
> while singing "phul hansaa chupke se" could have been more subtle and
> therefore more effective.
The over-emoting is a problem, I agree, with both her and Sonu Nigam,
added to which I must say I dislike "pyaar hua chupke se" as well as
most of the other songs of 1942 (I shall be lynched for that, I know!)
The one song where I felt the emote-emote thing didn't jar was that
wonderul one from Dil Se, "satrangi re"; mebbe the intensity and
desperation in the mood of that song justifies the dramatic style in
which it's sung.
I absolutely love her "havaa havaaii" and
"aaj
> main upar".
:-) You seem to be choosing all the songs I don't like!
Looking at contemp playback, I think the female singers, though all of
them are very technically competent, haven't done a single remarkable or
distinctive in terms of either voice, pitch, or style. In fact they all,
Alka Y, Anuradha P, Sadhana S, KK, Chitra (and those other manically
sqeaky voices Rahmaan seems to like using, whose names escape me at the
moment) all seem to be terribly banal and repetitive products of the
Lata/Asha school, and worse, even as schools go, no one has been able to
do Lata/Asha as well as (let alone better than) Lata/Asha themselves, if
you know what I mean.
I'd say the male singers are a lot better by comparison, even quite
outstanding a lot of the time. For one thing, they have distinctive
voices, and for another, their singing styles are individual and
different from each other. Even Sanu, who very few people seem to like,
and who I agree is a Kishore clone, emotes really well, certainly better
than Udit N. Sonu N is fast evolving a style of his own, though he began
as a Rafi clone, Hariharan is completely different from anyone who
prededed him, SP has a wonderfully rich and mellow style, and then
there's Shankar M, who's most impressive. A lot of variety here, hardly
something I would say for the women singers. Besides, I'm sick to the
gills (or ears!) of my eardrums being tortured by relations of Mickey
Mouse. KK is a slightly deeper-sounding Mickey Mouse, but a Mickey Mouse
all the same!
> > with a song from SURAJ KA SAATVAAN GHODA; could somebody
> > please remind me of that song?
>
> Is this "yeh shaamen, sabki sab shaamen, kya in shaamon ka arth
nahin"?
> BEAUTIFUL duet! (Roopa, are you there? REmember this song -- this was
> used in the play "Raaste".
Aiiiyo, as you would say! I'm fast losing my memory with my approaching
senility. Of course I remember the play, and my addled brain informs me
that there was a song in there that both of us liked, but I can't for
the life of me recall even one syllable! Must look it up out here.
Roopa
> Ashwini.
ashwi...@my-deja.com
rdha...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <7k8gl5$njj$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> ashwi...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > the shrill notes, what I like about her is the heavier voice
quality.
> > She is important (in a Geeta Dutt way) because she breaks the
> > virginal-heroines-with-thin-voices mould.
>
> Does she really do that, Ashwini? Don't quite agree.
> squeak your way through song after song, you're still doing the
> virginal-heroines with-high-pitches thing.
I know, Roopa, you are not very fond of Kavita K. So while we differ in
our assessment of her as a singer, I must say I agree with you about the
high pitches thing in general.
> Rahmaan, much as I like his music, seems to have a particular penchant
> for stretching the limits of the female voice beyond reason. But
whoever
> is responsible, the result is the squeaking-same.
well put! Can't help agreeing.
> The one song where I felt the emote-emote thing didn't jar was that
> wonderul one from Dil Se, "satrangi re"; mebbe the intensity and
> desperation in the mood of that song justifies the dramatic style in
> which it's sung.
>
Rather difficult not to like Satrangi, isn't it? ANyone out there who
doesn't?
> I absolutely love her "havaa havaaii" and
> "aaj
> > main upar".
>
> :-) You seem to be choosing all the songs I don't like!
>
Too bad! I like "havaa havaaii" *because* of the film, picturisation in
particular, and "aaj main upar" despite both.
> Looking at contemp playback, I think the female singers, though all of
> them are very technically competent, haven't done a single remarkable
or
> distinctive in terms of either voice, pitch, or style. In fact they
all,
> Alka Y, Anuradha P, Sadhana S, KK, Chitra (and those other manically
> sqeaky voices Rahmaan seems to like using, whose names escape me at
the
> moment) all seem to be terribly banal and repetitive products of the
> Lata/Asha school, and worse, even as schools go, no one has been able
to
> do Lata/Asha as well as (let alone better than) Lata/Asha themselves,
if
> you know what I mean.
>
True. It has taken me a while to be able to distinguish between contemp
female singers and actually start to appreciate some of them. For
instance, until the Pardes song (piya mere piya), Chitra was sort of
nondescript (for me, that is), and I think watching her on Saregama
helped me sit up and take notice. Kavita, to my mind, is the only one
who has a distinctive voice and style, and despite the high notes,
makes an impression, but then you don't agree! Agree with you about
males singers, though. (Even about Sanu!)
Ashwini.
vijay...@my-deja.com
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:
(snip)
> Mention Dilraj Kaur and my memories take me to mid-1970s,
> a few years after "bole re paphiharaa" had triggered hopes
> that a fresh voice had arrived in Hindi film playback singing.
> The threat represented by Vani Jairam to the twp duopolists was
> effectively controlled and all one got to hear were the screechings
> of the screamster sisters.
Going through Vol. 5 of the HFGK, one finds that it is not true that
Lata-Asha dominated this decade of HFM, in terms of numbers of songs
sung by women. Even discounting Usha Mangeshkar, one heard several
other voices in HFM at this time. Anuradha Paudwal and Kavita
Krishnamurti both made their debut in this period. A good number of
singers from earlier decades still had a song here and there – Geeta
Dutt’s last gasp Anubhav, Shamshad Begum, Mubarak Begum, Suman
Kalyanpur, even Sudha Malhotra (for JP Kaushik in Sister) sang a few
songs. Sharda tried her hand at music direction, sang quite a few songs
herself, and seems to have scrupulously avoided using the Mangeshkar
sisters. Usha Khanna sang both her own compositions and for other
composers as well. Minoo Purushottam probably had her most productive
time in this decade. Dilraj Kaur, Jagjit Kaur, Pamela Chopra all sang
their piece in this period. Hemlata, Kanchan, Sushma Shreshta (now
reborn as Shraddha, I believe) and Sulakshana Pandit were much more
active in this period. Vijayeta Pandit joined her sister, and they even
have a same-sex duet, making it the third sibling set to do so (the
Mangeshkars and Kolhapures being the others). Usha Uthup continued to
exploit her niche in the market competently. Krishna Kalle was
prodigious in sheer number terms. Vani Jairam had absolute command over
the dubbed films market. The likes of P Susheela and Janaki also hogged
their 15 minutes in the HFM limelight through dubbed films. Then there
were occasional forays from the classical and semi-classical world in
the form of Kumari Faiyyaz, Shobha Gurtu, Uttara Kelkar, Saraswati Rane
and the like. The Bengal brigade was represented by Arati, Chandrani
and Rani Mukherjee, Sabita and Antara Chowdhury, and Sumitra and
Bansari Lahiri. The Mukherjee’s were quite prolific in this decade.
Quite a few others whom I might have omitted to mention altogether.
Point is, different voices were not absent at this time. It is just
that they were not heard.
One thing sticks out like a sore thumb. R D Burman, Kalyanji-Anandji
and LP were the big guns among the MDs of this period, and most of the
above singers did not feature prominently or at all in their scheme of
things. MDs from the competent and even excellent category like N
Datta, O P Nayyar, Sonik-Omi, Shanker-Jaikishen, JP Kaushik, S N
Tripathi, Jaidev often broke the mould to use fresh or different
sounding voices. The likes of Anu Malik and Bappi Lahiri too had
recourse to different sounding voices. But the big banners and big
opportunities were like forbidden worlds for these singers. It was all
guts and little glory for these voices in the HFM wilderness. If,
despite these odds, they have managed to leave a mark here or there,
and given us some moments of memorable music, it is much credit to
these women of the 70s.
One such voice which stands out in the 70s is Preeti Sagar. Hers is a
fresh voice, sweet, and probably suspect in the higher octaves, but
always endearing for its sheer melodic content.
Preeti Sagar first shot to the headlines with her oomphy “my heart is
beating” rendition of Harendranath’s lyrics to Rajesh Roshan’s
heartbeat tune, going on Lakshmi’s sizzle in Julie (1975)
However, in 1974 I find her singing a duet with Krishna Kalle in Gaal
Gulaabi, Nain Sharaabi for Shyamji Ghanshyamji – tera vaade pe vaadaa
hotaa gayaa, and a song with Rafi, Manna De & Krishna Kalle in Kshitij
for Sharda – par itanii si iltajaa hai mere yaar se. I am not sure if
this is her debut. I did not search further back in time.
Coming to 1975, she had duets with Usha Mangeshkar in Daku, again for
Shyamji Ghanshyamji – raat kaTe na bin tore saanvariya, and aaye hain
badi door se kuchh kar ke haTenge, a duet with Rafi – are chal gayi
chal gayi chal gayi, ishq ki goli chal gayi in Shyamji Ghanshyamji’s
Dhoti Lota aur Chowpatty.
Then there was the wonderful piyaa baaj pyaalaa piyaa jaaye na, Quli
Qutub Shah’s lyrics set to Vanraj Bhatia’s tune in Nishaant (75).
In 1976, she sang in both parts of the title song for Laila Majnu,
under Jaidev’s baton, with Rajkumar Rizvi and with Anuradha for one of
the parts. She also sang dulhan bholi baiThi Doli, karke singaar for
Babloo-Dhiraj in Noor-e-Ilahi.
However, it was her meraa gaam kaaTha paare, jahaan doodh ki nadiyaa
baahe from Manthan, once again for Vanraj Bhatia which turned out to be
her most memorable song for the year.
In 1977, she sang a duet with Yesudas for Shyamal Mitra in Anand Ashram
– tum itanii sundar ho saari duniya deevani hogi, and a duet with Manna
De for Bappi Lahiri in Phir Janam lenge ham – majanu ke naanaa, paglaa
deevaana.
She sang one more song for Sharda in 1977, apnaa gagan hai, apni zameen
hai, madhur milan hai, jeevan me khushii hai, a duet with Shailendra
Singh in Zahreelee.
It was again under Vanraj Bhatia’s baton, that she produced her best
work for the year. Bhumika had three songs by her – tumhaare bin ji na
lage ghar me, saawan ke din aaye sajanva, and mera jiskila baalam na
aaya. She manages to be memorable in a film studded with songs by Feroz
Dastoor, Chandru Atma, Saraswati Rane, Meena Fatarpekar and Uttara
Kelkar.
In 1978, she sang bhaarat ki main hoon naar, for Anu Malik in
Hunterwali 77, and mera naam raja, main bhikh maangu kaise, for Rajesh
Roshan in Tumhari Qasam.
In the same year, she also sang the chirpy h-aa meri jaan, h-aa kahoon
kya, with Shailendra Singh in Bappi Lahiri’s Tere Pyar me.
In 1979, she sang nanhi jaan tere liye jin le ke aayaa hoon, with Manna
De & Mahendra Kapoor for SN Tripathi in Diler. In Hari-Arjun’s Hum bhi
kuchh kam nahiin, she sang chehare ke peechhe hain bhed laakhon with
Arjun Chhabra, and jeena kyaa, marnaa kyaa with Dilraj Kaur. She also
sang hamdam mere kuchh dino ki mulaaqaat with Nitin Mukesh and usi ko
doongi mera dil bas mujhko paayega, for Suresh Kumar in Rajkumari, and
do dilo ko aise mila lo jaise rang me paani re, with Nitin Mukesh and
Sudhakar Aathle in Manas Mukherjee’s Shaayad.
khoTa paisa nahii chalega, with Ranu Mukherji & K N Sharma for Jaidev
in Dooriya, stands out among her songs in this year.
In 1980, she sang saanvariya re main badalii nahii for K Babuji in
Jaayen to jaayen kahaan, ‘he met me in the guest house’, for Bappi
Lahiri in Guest House, and koi ban jaaye apna yaar with Chandrani
Mukherjee for Bappi Lahiri in Morchaa. She sang jiska paavan preet
jahaan me, for JP Kaushik in Sister.
She continued to appear on Doordarshan, singing as sweetly as she
could, and producing some wonderful bhajans, but her Hindi Film innings
was nearly done. In the late 80s, she recorded a successful children’s
rhymes casette.
Vijay
vijay...@my-deja.com
> run of the mill, I am eager to come to know of other songs by
> Dilraj Kaur, film and non-film.
>
1975
Jaan haazir hai; Jaikumar Parte ; 1 solo, 1 duet, 1 multi-voice
Rani aur Lalpari; Vasant Desai; 2 solos, 2 duets, 1 multi-voice
Zindagi aur Tufan; Laxmi-Pyare; 1 duet
Daku aur Bhagwan; Avinash Vyas; 1 duet
1977
Alaap; Jaidev; 1 duet,1 multi-voice
Agent Vinod; Ram-Laxman; 1 duet
Godhuli; Bhaskar Chandavarkar; 2 duets
Sahib Bahadur; Madan Mohan; 1 multi-voice
Shirdi ke Saibaba; Pandurang Dixit; 1 duet
Jai Dwarikadheesh; Ajay Swami; 1 duet
Mandir-Masjid; Sharda; 1 multi-voice
Veeru Ustad; Sonik-Omi; 1 duet, 2 multi-voice
1978
Bhakti me Shakti; Sonik-Omi; 2 duets, 1 multi-voice
Bhookh; Sonik-Omi; 1 duet, 1 multi-voice
Dada; Usha Khanna; 1 multi-voice
Sultan-e-hind; Iqbal Qureshi; 1 duet
Tyagpatra; Ajay Swami; 1 solo
Sajan bin suhagan; Usha Khanna; 1 multi-voice
1979
Angan ki Kali; Bappi Lahiri; 1 duet
Hum bhi kuchh kam nahiin; Hari-Arjun; 2 duets
Laakhan; Sonik-Omi; 1 solo
Nagin aur Suhagin; Usha Khanna; 1 duet
Radha aur Seeta; Ravindra Jain; 1 solo
Shyamla; Kanu Roy; 1 duet
Suraksha; Bappi Lahiri; 1 duet
Zulm ki pukaar; Sonik-Omi; 1 multi-voice
Zakhmo ke nishan; Ravindra Jain; 1 multi-voice
Heera-Moti; O P Nayyar; 3 solos, 1 duet, 1 multi-voice
1980
Ambe ma jagdambe ma; S Madan; 2 solos, 1 duet
Bharat ki santan; Sonik-Omi; 1 solo, 1 duet, 1 multi-voice
Bulandi; R D Burman; 1 multi-voice
Chehre pe Chehra; N Datta; 1 solo
Dilwale dulhaniya le jayenge; Kukku singh; 1 multi-voice
Miss Toofan Mail; Satyam; 4 solos
Ram Balram; Laxmi-Pyare; 1 multi-voice
Sajan mere main sajan ki; Ravindra Jain; 1 duet
Neha K Desai
> > I remember a nice song of hers that goes:
> > "Ammi ko chummi, papa ko pyaar"
> > and at least one more good one in the same tape but I can't remember.
> but I cant remember beyond it. She sounds very good in these two songs.
>
> They are from the movie RANI AUR LAL PARI, music by Salil Chowdhary.
Ashok tells me that the MD is Vasant Desai. I stand corrected.
--
Neha Desai
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> Folks, now that RMIM seems to be in a mood to go beyond the
> run of the mill, I am eager to come to know of other songs by
> Dilraj Kaur, film and non-film.
>
> Ashok
Speaking of non-film, Ashok, Dilraj Kaur has sung a few Ghazals for
Ghulam Ali; there's an album, and my accursed memory doesn't remember
its name. One of those Ghazals is included in HMV's "Ghazal Ka
Safar" (5 CDs/5 Tapes/10 Tapes) album -
itnI muddat ba'ad mile ho -
kin socho.n me.n gum rahate ho?
Marvellous rendition; equal to and, in many respects better than,
GA's own presentation.
If you/someone know/remember the name of the GA/DilKaur album, please
do let me know. I'll be much obliged. This album is contains much
better music than the runaway successful "m'erAj-e-Ghazal" twin-tape
album by GA/Asha.
The sweetness of DilKaur's voice is something that my Dad (a big time
DilKaur fan) calls "ka.nchu kanTham".
--
Ravindra.
ham se na puuchho hijr ke qisse
apni kaho, ab tum kaise ho?
arunabha shasanka roy
Thanks for the detailed listing of singers in the decade. I had a
question about Preeti Saagar - has she done any non-film ghazals ? Now
that I HAVE used the word, let me clarify that by "ghazal" I am referring
to the HMV interpretation, i.e. any song with some Urdu/Persian
words thrown in at random ;)
I recall hearing , in '95, on the radio, some such ghazal/geet
/whatever by Preeti Saagar. I cannot be sure, but I think there was no
mention of a film (unless I came in late ) so I am presuming it is
non-film. At the time I was not familiar with her Bhumika or Nishant
songs, so if it was one from that subset , I would not have been able to
tell . Nor do I recall anything about the song except it was good.
Vanraj Bhatia used her voice well ; she is passable in
the missing element "ziskila balam " , good in "saawan ke din aaye
sajanavaa aan milo" , and absolutely charming in "tumhaare bin jii naa
lage ghar me.n" .
Weren't there two songs by Preeti Saagar in "Mandi" ?(this is an
80's movie, so probably outside the ambit of Vijay's discussion) I can
recall "shamshiir ba.Dhe naa " by her and "mohe chubhatii hai " by Asha,
but I think I am forgetting a third song here.
Arunabha
Surajit A. Bose
> Going through Vol. 5 of the HFGK, one finds that it is not true that
> Lata-Asha dominated this decade of HFM, in terms of numbers of songs
> sung by women.
It depends on how you're counting the numbers! If you put Lata and Asha in
column A and everybody else you've mentioned in column B, then the
assertion that "the other singers had more songs" is pointless. Two
singers against ALL the others? Of course the rest will have more songs!
And as you point out, the rest were confined to niches and/or B movies.
> reborn as Shraddha, I believe) and Sulakshana Pandit were much more
> active in this period. Vijayeta Pandit joined her sister, and they even
> have a same-sex duet, making it the third sibling set to do so (the
> Mangeshkars and Kolhapures being the others).
You're leaving out the Hemmadys. Suman Kalyanpur and Shyama Chittar have
sung together too.
> Point is, different voices were not absent at this time. It is just
> that they were not heard.
A distinction without a difference.
> One such voice which stands out in the 70s is Preeti Sagar.
One song of hers you've not mentioned (perhaps it belongs to the 1980s?)
has the endearing tag line "What's your problem?" (no kidding!) and IIRC
goes something like:
What's your problem?
kyaa hai teraa Gam bataa
zindagii ko yuu.N na kar
tuu udaas....
What's your problem?
I believe this song was from KALYUG, MD Vanraj Bhatia but I'm not sure.
-s
S44218
bhajans with Ashok Patki and nowadays is doing mostly children's recordings ?
Or are we talking about someone else.
Sandip.
Vinay
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Turner <ric...@chaltechalte.demon.co.uk>
To: <rec.music....@list.deja.com>
Sent: Friday, June 18, 1999 2:55 AM
Subject: Re: Kavita Krishnamurthi [was Re: Sonu Nigam's "Deewana"]
| Swami Vivekananda (G.V.Iyer 1998)
| MD: Salil Chowdhury
| Lyrics: Gulzar
Gulzar was not the only lyricist. The album featured works of Soordas,
Jaidev, Swami Vivekananda, P. Srinivas Rao. Gulzar wrote only 3 of the total
8 songs. you can check the details at my page
http://members.tripod.com/vinayj/albums.htm
My favourite from the album is O sanyasi (Asha). Salil da at his typical
best. i waited and waited for the album for 3 years before it finally
released in July 98. I also posted a review of the same on RMIM that time.
Keep listening..
Vinay
Hemlata N. Khemani
> You're leaving out the Hemmadys. Suman Kalyanpur and Shyama Chittar have
> sung together too.
Aha, so Suman Kalyanpur is the same as Suman Hemmady. Wasn't there a
query (by Ashok?) sometime back about this? And the response was in the
negative? Well, my memory isn't that great, I could be wrong.
Hema.