Songs with scale changes
TGuru
Everybody goes ga-ga over those 'oh-so-cute' scale changes of RD. Can
somebody give few examples of the songs where the scale change has
been employed, (also the place in the song).
It will help me (and may be few others) to understand and thus
appreciate the songs more.
tks
aanand
1. Daiyya mein kaha aa phansi : (asha/RD/ Caravan) See scale change in
first line and second line ..Also antaras are alos different
2. O manzi o manzi jau kao : (Asha/rd/bandhe haath)
3. tere bina jiya jaye na ( LAta/rd/ghar)
4. ae ri pavan ( Lata/rd/bemisaal)
5. jane ja dhundata phir raha ( JAwani diwani... full exploitation of
asha's voice range with lines in all three pitches/scales)
ALso ravindra jain's song for asha .. Sathi re bhul n jana mere pyar
could also be very good example.
rgds
anand.
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TGuru
Just so that I understand it correctly,
Scale change is composition of different parts of the songs in
different scales.
For example if song starts in Kali 1 some part is in white 1. Is it
right?
As I hum these songs I get a feel that following are the places where
the scales have been changed.
1) Tere bina jiya jaye na.. (Jab bhi khayalomain tu aaye)
2) Airi pawan.... (Badal se tera kya hai...)
3)Jane ja dhundata phir raha.... (Muzko Awaz do)
right? Or wrong?
regards,
TGuru
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aanand
But note that in ae ri pawan..scale changes in mukhada only.. remember
bawari si tu phire in mukhada ..its differnt than in ae ri pawan
scale.
Also its noet that after antara bawari si tu phire is ung in higher
scale while in mukhada its sung in lower scale.
very unique composition.
Ravindra Marathe
How about 'Dam maro Dam, Mit jaye gum'?
Ravi
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> Hi,
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> How about 'Dam maro Dam, Mit jaye gum'?
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use fevi-col.
-Rawat
shahrukh
Hey Rawat ... whoever you are cut out all this !
Now what do you say to a response to such a beautiful thread ?
It to my mind is an apology of a response ... no one could call it
sense of humor !
Back to the thread ...
Someone more knwoledgeable please write more about scale change ...
For instance in the SJ number from Rajkumar Tumne Kisi Ki Jaan Ko
Jaate Hue Dekha Hain has a scale change for the stanzas right?
Some more examples please ...
Shahrukh ...
aanand
of composers other than RD, hridaynath, jaidev. Normally u won't find
it in naushad, roshan, mm compositions. I am sure there could be more
examples with salil chaudhary compositions or may be with rahman.. As
of now i remember one lovely composition of jaidev which has got few
scale changes ..
Mang me bhar de rang sahkiri.
There are qute a few hridaynath 's marathi compositions with lots of
scale changes.
rgds
anand.
Pradeep
One beautiful example I recollect is a Tamil song composed by Deva and
sung by Chitra. I don't know what film was it in; I heard it around
'91. The opening words were "Tat- Tit-To". All along, this song is
very much a typical Tamil melody, with interludes of Ghattam Bols etc.
Towards the very end of the song, the singer breaks into a westernised
fast- paced sequence which is off-scale to the song, and which ends
with the words, "I love you, I love you, I love you". It was a
wonderful song and a perfect example of scale change, well done.
....Pradeep
Kamall Mustafa
A couple of songs that come to my mind are :
1. Ek Raasta Hain Zindagi - Kaala Patthar - Rajesh Roshan
The scale changes at "Ye Kadam Kisi Mukaam Pe.."
2. Do Lafzo Ki Hain Dil Ki Kahani - Great Gambler - R.D.Burman
The scale changes in the interlude.
Re,
Kamall
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TGuru
> Somehow i am finding it difficult to look for change of scale examples
> of composers other than RD, hridaynath, jaidev. Normally u won't find
> it in naushad, roshan, mm compositions. I am sure there could be more
> examples with salil chaudhary compositions or may be with rahman.. As
> of now i remember one lovely composition of jaidev which has got few
> scale changes ..
>
> Mang me bhar de rang sahkiri.
Oh that was one beautiful composition.
I find it difficult to detect the scale change in this song.
Is it at second "Milan rut aa gayi"?
thanks
Kamall Mustafa
Just remembered a few more songs with scale change, this time by Salil Chowdhury :
1. Guzar Jaaye Din (Annadata)
2. Koi Hota Jisko (Mere Apne)
3. Zindagi Kaisi Hain Paheli (Anand)
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1. Guzar Jaaye Din (Annadata)
2. Champawati Tu Aaja (Annadata)
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Kamall
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g. choudhury
is in F-minor and stays in F-Minor, only the chord progression is a little
unusual or should I say quite interesting.
Please don't jump into the bandwagon of identifying songs with 'scale
changes' without understanding the grammer of it. A 'scale' or a 'key' has a
certain number of 'flat's or 'sharps' and that is fixed for a particular
key. So, if a song is composed in the key of 1-flat (i.e. the key of F) then
it remains in this key until the composer changes to another key with a
different number of 'flats' or 'sharps'. The staff-notation identifies that
in its 'signature'. This technique is common in the western music but has
been very rare in the Hindi Film music.
Salil did compose a few songs with key-changes in Bengali such as 'Shono
Kono akdin' sung by Hemant. It starts in the key of Ab-Major, and changes
to A-Major in the second part and then again to Bb-Major in the third part.
His other Bengali song which he himself sang 'Ei Roko' also has three
key-changes. His most remarkable composition in Bengali 'Runner' also sung
by Hemant has 6 key changes and he explains it beautifully in a lecture on
"Composition and harmony" which he gave at the Rabindra-Bharati University
in Calcutta a few years before his death.
In Hindi, Asha also did a superb job with 'Hai jawaan dil ke mere armaan'.
This is the hindi version of 'Ei Roko' and is one of Salil's rare hindi film
songs in the film "Room no. 203" whcih has three key-changes.
Gautam Choudhury
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Devendra Sharma
> None of the songs mentioned below have 'scale changes'. 'Guzar jaaye
> din' is in F-minor and stays in F-Minor, only the chord progression is a
> little unusual or should I say quite interesting.
> Please don't jump into the bandwagon of identifying songs with 'scale
> changes' without understanding the grammer of it.
>
quite correct, none of the songs discussed in this thread so far
has a scale change (except those quoted by Mr. Choudhury).
A better example in Hindi songs (by RDB) is "mai.n chalii
mai.n chalii dekho pyar ki galii" (Padosan), the scale change
occurs after the first stanza, the second stanza
"hai diwani ye jawani..." is at higher scale (by half swara)
The scale is also raised steadily as the end of song approaches.
Song can be heard on musicindiaonline at following url,
http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/XX01000F0P
devendra
ps: the bangla song by HK "Shono Kono akdin", with several
scl changes, can be heared at
"http://www.ganguly.de/hemanta/index.html"
(2nd from the bottom)
Surjit Singh
Newcomers may not know that gautam is the creator and maintainer of the
exemplary site
http://www.salilda.com/index.shtml
dedicated to salil da.
g. choudhury wrote:
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> Gautam Choudhury
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Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
Pradeep
> g. chaodhury wrote.....
>
> > None of the songs mentioned below have 'scale changes'. 'Guzar jaaye
> > din' is in F-minor and stays in F-Minor, only the chord progression is a
> > little unusual or should I say quite interesting.
> > Please don't jump into the bandwagon of identifying songs with 'scale
> > changes' without understanding the grammer of it.
> >
>
> quite correct, none of the songs discussed in this thread so far
> has a scale change (except those quoted by Mr. Choudhury).
I agree with what G. Chowdhary has written with regard to the Hindi
songs suggested on this thread so far (as also the fact that Main
Chali, Main Chali from Padosan is a good example of scale change).
Also I stand by what I wrote about the Tamil song by Deva. That song
*does* have a scale change towards the end.
.....Pradeep
Devendra Sharma
>
> I agree with what G. Chowdhary has written with regard to the Hindi
> songs suggested on this thread so far (as also the fact that Main
> Chali, Main Chali from Padosan is a good example of scale change).
> Also I stand by what I wrote about the Tamil song by Deva. That song
> *does* have a scale change towards the end.
>
Sorry, I too meant only hindi songs being discussed,
haven't heared the one you suggested,
BTW, is the song available somewhere for listening?
devendra
Arun Iyengar
on this thread meant by scale change. Anyway, a couple more examples are
ARR's humma humma from Bombay and his version of Vande maataram. Some
examples on the western side are Whitney's I will always love you, Celine's
My heart will go on and Michael Jackson's Heal the world.
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Kamall Mustafa
change/progression" with "scale change" and thanks to Mr. Devendra as
the example of "Main Chali Main Chali" for scale change quoted by him
makes it all the more clear. BTW, I too find the chord progression
quite interesting in the songs mentioned by me.
Best Regards,
Kamall Mustafa
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