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Vandana Venkatesan

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Dec 2, 1994, 6:41:23 PM12/2/94
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S.D.Burman spells melody! Here's an article dedicated to one of our
most versatile, most talented music directors. Hope this makes up
atleast a li'l bit for the paucity of music-related articles on rmim.
I wish the old rmim-ians would post some good music-related articles
instead of posting articles flaming the irrelevant posts. It is the
ratio of relevant to irrelevant articles which matters, one cannot
weed out all irrelevant articles. Ofcos it does get on one's nerves
to see articles like "Thanks a lot, guys, u are just great" or
something like "Count me in too". Everyone knows this can as well
be done over personal email.

S.D.Burman - S.D.Burman
=======================
SDB was a great singer too! His voice is considered to be one of the
most difficult to imitate. Here is a song from Guide - Dev looks his
career best in this song - your heart reaches out for him :) - such
is the effect of SDB's voice and music.. (Not that Dev Anand needs
any help to make hearts reach out for him :)

Song: Wahan kaun hai tera musaafir
Movie: Guide
Starring: Dev Anand, Waheeda Rehman
Lyrics: Shailendra

wahan kaun hai tera musaafir jaayega kahan
dam le le ghadi bhar yeh chaiyyan paayega kahan
wahan kaun hai tera..

beet gaye din.. pyaar ke palchin
sapna bani woh raaten..
bhool gaye woh.. tu bhi bhula de
pyaar ki woh mulaaqaaten..
sab door andhera..musafir..jaayega kahan
dam le le..dam le le..
dam le le ghadi bhar yeh chaiyyan paayega kahan
wahan kaun hai tera..

koi bhi teri.. raah na dekhe
nain bichhaye na koi..
dard se tere.. koi na tadpa
aankh kisi ki na royi..
kahe kis ko tu mera..musaafir..jaayega kahaan
dam le le..dam le le..
dam le le ghadi bhar yeh chaiyyan paayega kahan
wahan kaun hai tera..

kehte hain gyani.. duniya hai paani
paani pe likhi likhaayi..
hai sabki dekhi.. hai sabki jaani
haath kisi ke na aayi..
kuchh tera na mera..musaafir..jaayega kahaan
dam le le..dam le le..
dam le le ghadi bhar yeh chaiyyan paayega kahan
wahan kaun hai tera..

S.D.Burman - Lata
=================
Another melodious song from the same movie (Guide), by Lata Mangeshkar.
The full version of this song is hardly ever found in cassettes. HMV
does the dirty job of chopping off almost half of this beautiful song,
reducing its splendour to almost nil.

Song: Piya tose naina laage re
Movie: Guide
Starring: Dev Anand, Waheeda Rehman
Lyrics: Shailendra

piya tose naina laage re
jaane kya ho ab aage re

jag ne utaare....dharti pe taare
par man mera murjhaaye hai
un bin aali....kaisi deewali
milne ko jiya utlaaye hai
aa sajan paayal pukaare
jhanak jhan jhan jhanak jhan jhan
piya tose naina laage re
jaane kya ho ab aage re..

bor ki bela suhaani nadiya ke teere
bharke gaagar jis ghadi main chaloon dheere dheere
tujh pe nazar jab jaaye
jaane kyon baj uthe kangna
chanak chan chan chanak chan chan
piya tose naina laage re
jaane kya ho ab aage re

aayi holi aayi sab rang laayi
bin tere holi bhi na bhaye
bhar pichkaari sakhiyon ne maari
bheegi mori saari hai haal'tan badan mora kaampe thar thar
dhinak dhin dhin dhinak dhin dhin
piya tose naina laage re
jaane kya ho ab aage re
naina laage re

raat ko jab chand chamke jal uthe tan mora
main kahoon mat kar O chanda is gali ka phera
aana mora saiyan jab aaye chamakna us raat ko jab
milenge tan man milenge tan man
piya tose naina laage re
jaane kya ho ab aage re
naina laage re

S.D.Burman - Asha
=================
S.D.Burman initially seemed to have a soft corner for Asha and Geeta
Dutt, but soon fell for the Lata charm like his contemporaries Naushad
and Madan Mohan. He has some wonderful pieces with Asha - like "raat
akeli hai" in Jewel Thief, "o panchi pyaare" in Bandini.

Song: Tha thai tha tha thai
Movie: Tere Mere Sapne
Starring: Dev Anand, Mumtaz
Lyrics: ??

tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that
phirke pag jiya gaaye gaaye gaaye
tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that
jaane na hua mujhe kya..phirke pag jiya gaaye gaaye gaaye
tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that

mehki raahon taq..behkti chaahon taq..
piya ki baahon taq mujhe hai jaana
ghata aaye jhuk jhuk ke..hawa chale ruk ruk ke..
kare dil duk duk re gali maare tana
O..jaane na hua mujhe kya..phirke pag jiya gaaye gaaye gaaye
tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that

na soyi akhiyaan re..rulaaye ratiyan re..
sataaye sakhiyan re karoon hai main kya
zara balkaake aa..zara ghabraake aa..
zara lehraake aa dil hai pyaasa
O..jaane na hua mujhe kya..phirke pag jiya gaaye gaaye gaaye
tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that

keh do sitaaron se..keh do bahaaron se..
keh do nazaron se humen woh dekhe na
rijaoongi pee ko.. manaaoongi pee ko..
sulaaoongi pee ko bichhake naina
O..jaane na hua mujhe kya..phirke pag jiya gaaye gaaye gaaye
tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that

S.D.Burman - Mukesh
===================
Ab main kya kahoon Mukesh ke baare mein, come on out, all u
Mukesh fans!

Song: Chal ri sajni ab kya soche
Movie: Bambai ka babu
Starring: Dev Anand, Suchitra Sen
Lyrics: Majrooh

chal ri sajni ab kya soche
kajra na beh jaaye rote rote
chal ri sajni ab kya soche

baabul pachtaaye haathon ko malke
kahe diya pardes thukde ko dil ke
aansu liye soch raha door khada re
chal ri..

dulhan banke gori khadi hai
koi nahin apna kaisi ghadi hai
koi yahan koi wahan koi kahan re
chal ri..

S.D.Burman - Rafi
=================
Another KK dominated movie in which Rafi sahab has made his
presence felt. Was S.D.B the only MD who used KK and Rafi for
Dev in the same movie? He has done it in Guide and Teen Deviyan
too.

Song: Mera man tera pyaasa
Movie: Gambler
Starring: Dev Anand, Zaheeda?
Lyrics: ??

mera man tera pyaasa.. mera man tera
poori kab hogi asha..mera man tera
mera man tera pyaasa.. mera man tera

jab se maine dekha tujhe mera dil nahin raha mera
de de apne haath mere haathon mein kya jaaye tera
ab toh na todo asha..
mera man tera pyaasa.. mera man tera

zindagi hai meri ek daaon tu hai haar jeet meri
aisi waise kaise bhi tu khel humse jaisi marzi teri
kitni hai bholi asha..
mera man tera pyaasa.. mera man tera

pata nahin kaun hoon main kya hoon aur kahan mujhe jaana
apni woh kahaani jo aa jaani hoke ban gayi fasaana
jeevan kya hai tamaasha..
mera man tera pyaasa.. mera man tera

S.D.Burman - KK
===============
This song is a treat for KK fans becos of the minimal use of
instruments. Experience the raw voice of KK!

Song: Dheere se jaana katiyan mein
Movie: Chupa Rustom
Starring: Dev Anand, ??
Lyrics: Neeraj

dheere se jaana katiyan mein O katmal
dheere se jaana katiyan mein
soyi hai raajkumaari dekh rahi meethe sapne
ja ja chhup ja takiyan mein O katmal
dheere se jaana katiyan mein

(Speaks) veeran thi apni zindagi aur soona tha apna makaan
hai hai re kismat..

mile mushkil se yeh mehmaan
ho bhi jaate shaayad meherbaan
mile mushkil se yeh mehmaan
ho bhi jaate shaayad meherbaan
aag laga di hai sukan mein O katmal
dheere se jaana katiyan mein

komal hai inka badan
kaante si teri chuban
komal komal hai inka badan
kaante si teri chuban
badha daale nindiyan mein O katmal
dheere se jaana katiyan mein

(Speaks) aei aei kidhar jaata hai
khabar! khabardaar! Mmmm..chhup chhup ke?

kyon pyaar kare tu
baDa chhupa hua rustam hai tu
kyon chhup chhup ke pyaar kare tu
baDa chhupa hua rustam hai tu
le le humko bhi sharan mein O katmal
dheere se jaana katiyan mein

dheere se jaana..
dheere se jaana bagiyan mein O banwara
dheere se jaana bagiyan mein..

------- ^^^^^^^^^ -------
Thanks to Ketan Dholakia who patiently
recorded these songs for me from video.
------- ^^^^^^^^^ -------
Vandana.
.................................................................
__ _ _ __
\ \/ / Vandana Venkatesan
\ /\ / van...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu
\/ \/
------ "pankh hote toh uD aati re"
.................................................................

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In article <941202234...@khan.ece.scarolina.edu>,

van...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu ( Vandana Venkatesan ) wrote:

> S.D.Burman spells melody! Here's an article dedicated to one of our
> most versatile, most talented music directors. Hope this makes up
> atleast a li'l bit for the paucity of music-related articles on rmim.
> I wish the old rmim-ians would post some good music-related articles
> instead of posting articles flaming the irrelevant posts. It is the
> ratio of relevant to irrelevant articles which matters, one cannot
> weed out all irrelevant articles. Ofcos it does get on one's nerves
> to see articles like "Thanks a lot, guys, u are just great" or
> something like "Count me in too". Everyone knows this can as well
> be done over personal email.
>

> Song: Wahan kaun hai tera musaafir


> Movie: Guide
> Starring: Dev Anand, Waheeda Rehman
> Lyrics: Shailendra
>
> wahan kaun hai tera musaafir jaayega kahan
> dam le le ghadi bhar yeh chaiyyan paayega kahan
> wahan kaun hai tera..
>

> S.D.Burman - Lata


> =================
> Another melodious song from the same movie (Guide), by Lata Mangeshkar.
> The full version of this song is hardly ever found in cassettes. HMV
> does the dirty job of chopping off almost half of this beautiful song,
> reducing its splendour to almost nil.
>
> Song: Piya tose naina laage re
> Movie: Guide
> Starring: Dev Anand, Waheeda Rehman
> Lyrics: Shailendra
>
> piya tose naina laage re
> jaane kya ho ab aage re
>

> S.D.Burman - Asha
> =================
> S.D.Burman initially seemed to have a soft corner for Asha and Geeta
> Dutt, but soon fell for the Lata charm like his contemporaries Naushad
> and Madan Mohan. He has some wonderful pieces with Asha - like "raat
> akeli hai" in Jewel Thief, "o panchi pyaare" in Bandini.
>
> Song: Tha thai tha tha thai
> Movie: Tere Mere Sapne
> Starring: Dev Anand, Mumtaz
> Lyrics: ??
>
> tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that
> phirke pag jiya gaaye gaaye gaaye
> tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that
> jaane na hua mujhe kya..phirke pag jiya gaaye gaaye gaaye
> tha thai thatha thai aththathai thai that
>

> S.D.Burman - Mukesh


> ===================
> Ab main kya kahoon Mukesh ke baare mein, come on out, all u
> Mukesh fans!
>
> Song: Chal ri sajni ab kya soche
> Movie: Bambai ka babu
> Starring: Dev Anand, Suchitra Sen
> Lyrics: Majrooh
>
> chal ri sajni ab kya soche
> kajra na beh jaaye rote rote
> chal ri sajni ab kya soche
>
>

> S.D.Burman - Rafi
> =================
> Another KK dominated movie in which Rafi sahab has made his
> presence felt. Was S.D.B the only MD who used KK and Rafi for
> Dev in the same movie? He has done it in Guide and Teen Deviyan
> too.
>
> Song: Mera man tera pyaasa
> Movie: Gambler
> Starring: Dev Anand, Zaheeda?
> Lyrics: ??
>
> mera man tera pyaasa.. mera man tera
> poori kab hogi asha..mera man tera

> S.D.Burman - KK


> ===============
> This song is a treat for KK fans becos of the minimal use of
> instruments. Experience the raw voice of KK!
>
> Song: Dheere se jaana katiyan mein
> Movie: Chupa Rustom
> Starring: Dev Anand, ??
> Lyrics: Neeraj
>
> dheere se jaana katiyan mein O katmal
> dheere se jaana katiyan mein

------- ^^^^^^^^^ -------
> Vandana.

To add to this list, SDB's association with Talat realized some
evergreen songs. I can think of one from "Taxi Driver" (Jaain to jaain
kahan samjhe ga kaun yahan ...).

SDB was one of the very few directors who excelled in very intricate
classical songs ("Jamuna kinaare .." from Abhimaan) as well as light
songs. The song from Gambler (Chudi nahin ye mera ..), Prem Pujari
are songs that are masterpieces in my opinion. They are the kind of
songs which show how much effort the SDB team has put in to compose the
interludes besides the basic (vocal) tune. An instrumentalist will find
these songs highly challenging. One of the songs that has classical touch
and flamboyance is "Megha chaye aadhi raat bairan ban gayi nindiya .."
from Sharmilee. When Lata sings it looks like any classical-based song, but
the interludes (esp. the first one) is so non-classical. Yet, the result is
a gem of a song. I have heard stories that SD was very fussy about the
interludes. He used to chide (in good spirits, of course) his assistants
by saying that " For such a wonderful composition of mine is this you are
going to compose for an interlude ?? Do a good job and don't show me
something this ordinary." RD, as SD's assistant, had to spend a lot of
time on the interludes before it could get "passed" by SD. (It is perhaps
little surprise that RD himself set good standards for the interludes in
his songs when he started working on his own.)

Another SDB song of similar traits is one from Abhimaan "Ab to hai tumse ..".
Lata is there to inject her mastery on the vocal track, and the accompaniment
is too good to be explained in words. The orchestration switches gears so
much, and yet it all adds up to another masterpiece.

Anyway, sorry if this sidetracked too much from the original topic.

- Sanjay

Ambrish Sundaram

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Sachinda was truly a complete music director. It is to his credit that Indian
folk music (esp. Bangla folk music) became an integral part of Hindi film
music. This is not to take anything away from greats like Hemant Kumar, Pankaj
Mullick etc. whose songs too had strains of folk music etched into them. Sachin
da had his own inimitable style of creating a lovely fusion of folk, classical,
semi-classical, and light forms of music. To him should go the credit of
reviving the sagging career of Kishore Kumar, with the music for films like
Aradhana, Amar Prem etc. in the 70's. WADR (With all due respect) to other
film musicians, IMHO, Bengal's contribution to Hindi film music cannot be
equalled. Talk of Punkaj Mallick, Hemant Kumar, SDB, Salil Chaudhry, Manna Dey,
Kishore Kumar, RDB, and yes why not, Ashok Kumar (early on his career), to name
a few, Bengal has a rich and unique contribution to Indian cinema. Mind you, we
still have people like Pt. Ravi Shankar, who has also scored music for a few
films. The great maestro Satyajit Ray was himself an accomplished musician, and
if I am not mistaken, scored the music for a few of his films. I am not trying
to create a debate here, so no flames please. I am only trying to highlight the
works of people from the state of Bengal, and this in no way is an attempt to
demean or belittle anyone else. Others have made excellent contributions to
Indian film music too, and I am not trying to draw any parallels. I know that
I have definitely digressed from the original theme of the thread, i.e., the
work of Sachin Da, but I just could not resist myself from adding these few
comments. Thanks for bearing with me so patiently.

Ambrish - 'Always for good music' - asun...@eccdb1.pms.ford.com


Vandana Venkatesan

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sdh...@qualcomm.com (Sanjay) writes:

=>To add to this list, SDB's association with Talat realized some
=>evergreen songs. I can think of one from "Taxi Driver" (Jaain to jaain
=>kahan samjhe ga kaun yahan ...).

Off the top of my head, I can think of just one other Talat solo
with S.D.Burman - the all-time favorite: "Jalte hain jiske liye,
teri aankhon ke diye" from Sujata. It is my view that S.D.B wasn't
too fond of Talat, I mean they didnt have many songs together. Am
I wrong here?

Ofcourse I had left out one important singer in my list, that is
Geeta Dutt. She has some beautiful ones with S.D.B.

=>SDB was one of the very few directors who excelled in very intricate
=>classical songs ("Jamuna kinaare .." from Abhimaan) as well as light
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Just a li'l nitpick: I think u meant "nadiya kinaare". :)

=>songs. The song from Gambler (Chudi nahin ye mera ..), Prem Pujari
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I dont know whether to consider this a masterpiece. I think it is
quite an ordinary KK-Lata duet. Some other songs in Gambler are
quite good, better than this one, like "Dil aaj shaayar hai" (KK),
"Mera man tera pyaasa" (Rafi), and .... (Can someone list the songs
from this movie?) Oh..there is another ordinary one by KK - "Kaisa hai
mera dil tu khiladi".

[..deleted some interesting observations about "Megha chhaye" and "Ab toh hai
tumse" and S.D.B's beautiful interludes..]

=>Anyway, sorry if this sidetracked too much from the original topic.

I don't think so :)

=>- Sanjay

Prince Kohli

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Vandana Venkatesan <van...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu> wrote:
|>sdh...@qualcomm.com (Sanjay) writes:
|>
|>=>To add to this list, SDB's association with Talat realized some
|>=>evergreen songs. I can think of one from "Taxi Driver" (Jaain to jaain
|>=>kahan samjhe ga kaun yahan ...).
|>
|> Off the top of my head, I can think of just one other Talat solo
|> with S.D.Burman - the all-time favorite: "Jalte hain jiske liye,
|> teri aankhon ke diye" from Sujata. It is my view that S.D.B wasn't

He also was the MD of "Devdas" which had the Talat solos "Kisko khabar
thee" and "mitwa lagi re yeh."

-Prince

Rajan P. Parrikar

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asundar2@PROBLEM_WITH_INEWS_GATEWAY_FILE (Ambrish Sundaram) writes:

>Sachinda was truly a complete music director. It is to his credit that Indian
>folk music (esp. Bangla folk music) became an integral part of Hindi film
>music. This is not to take anything away from greats like Hemant Kumar, Pankaj
>Mullick etc. whose songs too had strains of folk music etched into them. Sachin
>da had his own inimitable style of creating a lovely fusion of folk, classical,
>semi-classical, and light forms of music. To him should go the credit of
>reviving the sagging career of Kishore Kumar,

The last sentence is not a complete characterization. First of all,
Kishore Kumar didn't have much of a singing career at that point for
it to sag. He had this thing about not playbacking for anyone except
himself and Dev Anand.

It was the great music composer Khemchand Prakash who first encouraged
Kishore despite elder brother Ashok Kumar's skepticism. S.D. Burman soon
foresaw the phenomenal talent that Kishore represented but Kishore's own
intransigence coupled with the complete domination of Rafi and Mukesh
conspired to confine him to the back yard.

Then came the sixties. Kishore was, by that time, in his late thirties,
about the right time for a man's voice to come to fruition. His gift
for musical expression was God-given but now his voice had ripened to
perfection as well. Once again it was Burman-da who discerned this
transition in Kishore's voice and seizing the opportunity provided by
KK's financial misfortunes, prevailed upon the mad-hatter to sing
for Rajesh Khanna. The rest, as the cliche goes, is history.



>with the music for films like
>Aradhana,

I guess the time has finally come to tell the world that the ENTIRE
SCORE (you heard that right) of Aradhana was composed by R.D. Burman!
Soon after the senior Burman was signed on, he suffered a heart attack
and was out of business. Shakti Samanta asked RD to step in and
they both decided to credit SD nevertheless! (This info was made
known after RD's death, btw).

But SD's great contribution was to rope in Kishore for good into the
music fold. Both father and son were the only ones to fully exploit
the resource of Kishore's voice. What SD had earlier discovered was
carried to its logical conclusion by RD. Kishore Kumar's voice in
Aandhi, for me, establishes the ideal for a man's voice. Does anyone
disagree?:-)

Rajan Parrikar
==============
email: parr...@mimicad.colorado.edu
ra...@anteng.ssd.loral.com


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In article <941204161...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu>,

van...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu ( Vandana Venkatesan ) wrote:

> sdh...@qualcomm.com (Sanjay) writes:

> =>SDB was one of the very few directors who excelled in very intricate
> =>classical songs ("Jamuna kinaare .." from Abhimaan) as well as light
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Just a li'l nitpick: I think u meant "nadiya kinaare". :)

Yes. That's the one. This is the song Jaya sings by the river (I guess
that subconsciously made me think the first word was "Jamuna") when
Amitabh goes to her village.

Thanks for the correction.
- Sanjay

SAMIUDDIN MOHAMMED

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In article <941202234...@khan.ece.scarolina.edu>, van...@charlie.ece.scarolina.edu ( Vandana Venkatesan ) writes:
>S.D.Burman spells melody! Here's an article dedicated to one of our
>most versatile, most talented music directors. Hope this makes up
>atleast a li'l bit for the paucity of music-related articles on rmim.

It sure does! Thanks for the nice post.


>I wish the old rmim-ians would post some good music-related articles

I wish so too. I've been requesting them for some time now. Some of them have
obliged, while the rest have simply ignored me :-(

"Aa ab laut chalen, naen bichhae, baahen pasaare, tujhko pukare RMIM tera..."
YIKES! I've stooped low enough to use a Shanky-J song :-) C'mon old RMIMers, ab
to taras khaao :-)




>Song: Wahan kaun hai tera musaafir

My fav. SDB for SDB song is "Mere sajan hai us paar..." from Bandini in which
the situation in the movie adds to the song's beauty and vice versa.

>S.D.Burman - Lata


>Song: Piya tose naina laage re

Ah! What can one say about this combo... there are so many beautiful songs.
One of the earliest SDB/Lata combos remains one of my all time favs:
"Phaili hui hai sapnon ki baahen aaja chalden kahin door...." from House #44.


>S.D.Burman - Asha
>=================
>S.D.Burman initially seemed to have a soft corner for Asha and Geeta
>Dutt, but soon fell for the Lata charm like his contemporaries Naushad
>and Madan Mohan. He has some wonderful pieces with Asha - like "raat
>akeli hai" in Jewel Thief, "o panchi pyaare" in Bandini.

"O panchhi pyaare...." and "Abke baras bhejh bhaiyya ko babul...." are perhaps
the best Asha solos for SDB. Dada Burman seemed to have given Asha a raw deal and used her talent only when he had a fight with Lata or when the song was
beyond Lata's range "Ta thhai tat thhai..." being one such example.

>S.D.Burman - Mukesh
>===================
>Ab main kya kahoon Mukesh ke baare mein, come on out, all u
>Mukesh fans!
>
>Song: Chal ri sajni ab kya soche

I wonder why SDB didn't sign Mukesh more. Almost all his (very few) songs with
Mukesh including "O jaanewale ho sake to lauTke aana..." and "Ye kisne geet
chheRa..." are ab. gems.

>S.D.Burman - Rafi
>=================

Wow, what a combo! Add Dev Anand, and u have the best combo! (Ok, ok, KKKlan
the "war" isn't scheduled until Feb 95 :-) )

>Another KK dominated movie in which Rafi sahab has made his
>presence felt. Was S.D.B the only MD who used KK and Rafi for
>Dev in the same movie? He has done it in Guide and Teen Deviyan

Also in Jewel Thief and 9-2-11. And in each of these movies, KK was the main
singer. More on this in Feb '95 :-) )



>Song: Mera man tera pyaasa

This movie had some excellent songs. I'm particularly fond of the relatively
unknown "Apne honTon ki bansi banale mujhe, tere saanson me meri saans ghul
jaae..." Lyrics of this song will be highly appreciated.


>S.D.Burman - KK
>===============
>This song is a treat for KK fans becos of the minimal use of
>instruments. Experience the raw voice of KK!
>
>Song: Dheere se jaana katiyan mein

KK/SDB, an excellent combo indeed! But, I'm surprised at the choice of this
song :-( Why this song, of all the KK/SDB gems ? KK sounds terrible, and the tune is mediocre. All IMHO, of course!

KK's "raw voice" sounds below par, unlike that in Aandhi which, acc. to a
distinguished gentleman on RMIM, is the perfect male voice. Yeah right!! :-)

Other singers to have sung under SDB's baton include Manna Dey ("Poochho na
kaise maine raen bitaee....." "Tere naena talaash kare jise....") & Geeta Dutt
("Waqt ne kiya, kya hasin sitam...").

Finally, I agree whole-heartedly with Ambrish reg. the contribution of Bengalis to desi music. However, Kumar Sanu seems to be single-handedly negating that
contribution these days! :-) My apologies to the kSanu fans.


Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan).... who ranks SDB #3 among MD's.


>Vandana.

********************************************************************************
Lines for the day:

Tum na jaane kis jahaan me kho gae
Hum bhari duniya me tanha ho gae

Sahir in Saza
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Pradeep Dubey

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Rajan Parrikar wrote:

> I guess the time has finally come to tell the world that the ENTIRE
> SCORE (you heard that right) of Aradhana was composed by R.D. Burman!
> Soon after the senior Burman was signed on, he suffered a heart attack
> and was out of business. Shakti Samanta asked RD to step in and
> they both decided to credit SD nevertheless! (This info was made
> known after RD's death, btw).

Rajan you mean to say RD was the real MD for Aradhana !
I even remember seeing on DD, SD walking up the stage
to take some award for the movie. Now it seems he knew
that he was taking that on behalf of his son RD.
Well ... thanks for the info.

Pradeep

Renu Thamma

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Renu Thamma

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Dec 6, 1994, 10:38:59 AM12/6/94
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Yikes! Sorry for the previous post! Never meant to include Sami's article and
write zilch in the end! Here's what was supposed to get posted.

--

[ Sami's musings deleted ]

>>Song: Mera man tera pyaasa
>
> This movie had some excellent songs. I'm particularly fond of the relatively
> unknown "Apne honTon ki bansi banale mujhe, tere saanson me meri saans ghul
> jaae..." Lyrics of this song will be highly appreciated.

Nit : Exchange meri and teri. :)

A wonderful song, full of `miThaas', here's what I know of it. SDB-KK-Dev. A
potent combination according to many on the net. No Sami, not Rafi. KK. :)

Film : Gambler
*ing : Dev, Zaheeda
Music : S.D.Burman
Singers : Kishore, Lata

Lata: Apne honton ki bansi banaale mujhe
Meri saanson me teri saans ghul jaae

KK: Aarzoo to humaari bhi hai yeh magar
Dar hai mausam kahin na badal jaae

Lata: Dekha tujhe, chadha yeh kaisa nasha
Chali yeh kaisi hawaa, bhule hum ghar ka pataa, hoo hoo
Ab to nahin humse hona judaa
Apni baahon ka ghoonghat udhaa de mujhe
Pyaar ki yeh na doli nikal jaae

KK: Aarzoo...

Hooo hooo hooo

Yeh to bataa, kahaan rakhoon yeh kamal
Zindagani hai meri, ret ka ek mahal, hoo hoo
Yaad jaise ho koi aati ghazal
Apni raaton ka deepak banaale mujhe
Yeh sulaghti hui shaam jal jaae

KK/Lata:

[ The way Kishore and Lata share these lines is to be heard, to be believed ]

Paas to aaa, yeh din mar jaane ka hai
Hoo yeh din kuch khone ka hai
yeh din kuch paane ka hai
Mausam yeh rooThne manaane ka hai

[ Kishore excels here again, with that unmistakable mischief in his voice ]

Apne daaman ki khushboo banale mujhe
Dil ke soone me koi phool khil jaae

Aarzoo...

Didn't find it in the ITRANS book. Might want to add it.

Renu.


Rajan P. Parrikar

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The take on events I have cited is being disputed by Ketan Dholakia
via email (as is well known, he is a stanch SD Burman devotee:-).
Ketan believes that RD only composed the two Rafi numbers (Baghon me
bhahaar hai and Gun guna rahe haiN bhanvre) whereas SD composed the
rest.

(To me, the RD-esque numbers in the movie are Roop tera mastana and
Mere sapnon ki raani whereas the rest has a strong SD flavour.)

My source of information is the obituary written by Raju Bharatan
shortly after RD's death. Bharatan-sahab is usually reliable with
this kind of insider info and if I can locate the piece I shall post
it. Now that I think about it, SD did sing one song in the movie
(safal hogi teri aradhana) - unlikely that RD composed that.

Rajan P. Parrikar

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The following is posted on behalf of Ketan Dholakia who does not have direct
access to the net.

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Firstly , KK came to Bombay to sing which everybody knows, but yes, he did have
an ambition to be a singing star, much like Saigal not just a playback singer.
Finding that not many people thought highly of him, he started singing in
chota-mota private concerts, mainly at filmi parties etc, where he used to go
with Ashok Kumar. At one of these was present SDB. He heard him and liked him
and saw enormous potential in KK. Not having many movies himself, in 1948,
he reccommended KK to Khemchand Prakash. KP was doing Ziddi with Dev. He too
liked KK, and not only asked him to sing for Ziddi, but also gave him a bit
role. Soon he began to be noticed, but most MD's still refused to touch him.
SDB then himself gave him another big break, in Jaal, in 1951. Once again, his
singing career rose, but alongwith this he started receiving movie offers
himself, so he did not really care. Due to the earlier insults suffered at the
hands of many MD's he agreed to sing for only himself and Dev. Atleast 2
notable exceptions to my knowledge are "Johar Mehmood in Goa" and "Bhoot
Bangla" in 1962. The MD of the first was Kalyanji-Anandji incidentally.
(If there are any other exceptions please post them on the net).

For Aradhana, the initial choice was Rafi, but then Rafi decided to go abroad
to do a music show. Being unavailable, SDB fell back on KK. He cajoled and
made KK agree to sing for Rajesh Khanna. After agreeing KK, called Rajesh K
to his house, and they chatted on various topics, for about 2-3 hours. Rajesh
K himself says that he did not initially know why KK had called him to his
house, but later on came to know that all the time KK had been studying
Rajesh K's voice patterns, modulations, pronounciations, which he used to
bring out the best in the songs.

INcidentally only "Gun guna rahe hai bhavre" and "Baagon main bahar hai" were
composed by RDB. SDB did not suffer a heart attack during Aradhna. It was
during "Love in Tokyo" in 1963 that he had the heart attack, and the second
fatal one was in 1975 during "Mili". "Love in Tokyo" was ultimately done by
Shankar-J(?) I think. RDB himself says that the reason these 2 songs were
sung by Rafi was because he (RDB) himself was fresh from the success of
"teesri Manzil" with Rafi and "Baharon ke Sapne" with Rafi for Rajesh K.

Ketan
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SAMIUDDIN MOHAMMED

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In article <3c29cc$g...@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU>, parr...@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rajan P. Parrikar) writes:
>The following is posted on behalf of Ketan Dholakia who does not have direct
>access to the net.

>himself, so he did not really care. Due to the earlier insults suffered at the
>hands of many MD's he agreed to sing for only himself and Dev. Atleast 2
>notable exceptions to my knowledge are "Johar Mehmood in Goa" and "Bhoot
>Bangla" in 1962. The MD of the first was Kalyanji-Anandji incidentally.
>(If there are any other exceptions please post them on the net).

Well, this is more a query than an addition to the list. KK had sung the immortal "Woh sham kuch ajeeb thhi...." under Hemant Kumar's baton in Khamoshi for Rajesh Khanna. Now, Khamoshi is a b&w film and therefore I feel that it must've been released before Aaraadhna. Now, does this mean that KK's first song for someone other than himself or Dev Sahab was in Khamoshi ? Or was khamoshi
released after Aaraadhna ???



>INcidentally only "Gun guna rahe hai bhavre" and "Baagon main bahar hai" were
>composed by RDB.

This comes as a surprise to me. If I were to pick one song from Aaraadhna which has SDB's stamp all over it, I'd choose "Gunguna rahen hain bhanwre..." which is my fav. song from that film. The fact that it's sung by Rafi is merely coincidental, although I don't expect everyone to believe it :-)
I still am not able to digest the fact that it is an RDB composition.


>SDB did not suffer a heart attack during Aradhna. It was
>during "Love in Tokyo" in 1963 that he had the heart attack, and the second
>fatal one was in 1975 during "Mili". "Love in Tokyo" was ultimately done by
>Shankar-J(?) I think.

Yup, it was Shanky-J.

>RDB himself says that the reason these 2 songs were
>sung by Rafi was because he (RDB) himself was fresh from the success of
>"teesri Manzil" with Rafi and "Baharon ke Sapne" with Rafi for Rajesh K.

Two Q's for Ketan, which I'm sure have simple answers.

1. Why did RD compose the 2 songs ? Did SDB let him do that just because he
was his son ?

2. How come Rafi could come back on time to record these 2 songs and not the rest ??


Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)

>Ketan

Mahesh Chaubal

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In article <sdhanda-0212...@sdhanda-mac.qualcomm.com>,

x3167 <sdh...@qualcomm.com> wrote:
>> S.D.Burman - Lata
>> =================
>> Another melodious song from the same movie (Guide), by Lata Mangeshkar.
>> The full version of this song is hardly ever found in cassettes. HMV
>> does the dirty job of chopping off almost half of this beautiful song,
>> reducing its splendour to almost nil.
>
>SDB was one of the very few directors who excelled in very intricate
>classical songs ("Jamuna kinaare .." from Abhimaan) as well as light
>songs. The song from Gambler (Chudi nahin ye mera ..), Prem Pujari
>are songs that are masterpieces in my opinion. They are the kind of
>songs which show how much effort the SDB team has put in to compose the
>interludes besides the basic (vocal) tune. An instrumentalist will find
>these songs highly challenging. One of the songs that has classical touch
>and flamboyance is "Megha chaye aadhi raat bairan ban gayi nindiya .."
>from Sharmilee. When Lata sings it looks like any classical-based song, but
>the interludes (esp. the first one) is so non-classical. Yet, the result is
>a gem of a song. I have heard stories that SD was very fussy about the
>interludes. He used to chide (in good spirits, of course) his assistants
>by saying that " For such a wonderful composition of mine is this you are
>going to compose for an interlude ?? Do a good job and don't show me

Excellant observation about SDB's interludes, especially the example of
'Megha chhaaye aadhi raat'. To me, that song seems like a fusion of
classical and modern music, and perhaps is the only one of its kind..
Another Lata-SDB combo which is my absolute favorite *and* which does not
feature in the ITRANS collection is 'chupke chupke chal ri purvaiyya'
from chupke chupke. The song itself starts at a very high pitch and all
along Lata maintains that melody. I am sure this must be one of the very
tough songs to sing, because of the pitch..

Film: Chupke Chupke
MD : SDB
Singer: Lata
Filmed on: Jaya Bahaduri

chupke chupke chal ri purvaiyya
o chupke chupke chal ri purvaiyya
chupke chupke chal ri purvaiyya

baasuri bajaaye re, raas rachaaye dayya re dayya
gopiyon sang kanhaiyya
chupke..

paagal pavan se, kaise koi bole (X 2)
gori ke mukh se, ghungtaa naa kholey,
doley, holey se man ki naiyya
gopiyon sang kanhaiyya
chupke..

ye kya hua mujhko, kya hai ye paheli (X 2)
aise jaise ke, koi radha ki saheli mai bhi,
dhoondu kadam ki chhaiyya,
gopiyon sang kanhaiyya
chupke..

aise samay pe koi, chup bhi rahe kaise (X 2)
baandh liye rut ne, pag mein ghungroo jaise,
naache man taa thaiyya taaa thaiyya
gopiyon sang kanhaiyya
chupke..


Great Song !
=Mahesh=

Rajan P. Parrikar

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This is posted on behalf of Ketan Dholakia who does not have direct
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Hi Rajan . I checked up on that Shakti Samanta story. Below I will type
what he says and please feel free to post it, edit it, check it out whatever.

I quote:

"After working with SDB for Aradhana, many people were surpised that I
chose RDB for Kati Patang. But I had worked with both father and son for
many years and knew them well. Even for Aradhana, RDB had done the
orchestration and been a great help. A lot of people have asked me what
exactly was RD's contribution for Aradhana. I say it's in bad taste to
ask that. Both father and son worked as a team and complemented each
other beautifully. "

Close quotes.

Hmmm reading the above interview again, I can quite see that RDB might
have very well composed some if not all songs and done major work for
Aradhana. God alone knows what Shakti Samanta means by orchestrations.
It could be anything from writing the orchestral music, to supervising,
to conducting. Somehow even to me even though I know "Gunguna rahe hai
bhavren " to be RDB's tune, it sounds as Sami said to be very much SDB.
SDB seems to have composed, "Kora Kagaz that yeh man mera", "Chanda hai tu
mere Suraj hai tu", "Safal hogi teri Aradhana".

So maybe Raju Bharatan is right after all.

As an addendum I might add, that some other songs which have been
attributed to SDB but have been composed by RDB are:

Dil ka bhavar kare pukar" and Tu kahan yeh bata" from "Tere Ghar Ke Samne

(The former again very SD'ish), Gata rahe mera Dil from Guide( again Sd'ish
with a bit of Rd'ism thrown in), and "Jaise Radha ne mala japi Shyaam ki"
from Tere Mere Sapne.(ONe of the biggest surprises for me).

On the other hand, "Doli main bithay ke kahan" and "Bada natkhat hai
re Kishan Kanhaiya" from Amar Prem have been attributed to RDB but have
been composed by SDB.

Finally as far as I am concerned I remain a staunch devotee of both so in
short it does not make much of a difference.

Ketan
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Ramesh Hariharan

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In article <3c3dlg$2...@umbc9.umbc.edu> cha...@umbc.edu (Mahesh Chaubal) writes:
>In article <sdhanda-0212...@sdhanda-mac.qualcomm.com>,
>x3167 <sdh...@qualcomm.com> wrote:
>
>Film: Chupke Chupke
>MD : SDB
>Singer: Lata
>Filmed on: Jaya Bahaduri

Also Amitabh is hiding behind the bushes enjoying the song. Great song
indeed .. thanks for the lyrics.


--
Ramesh Hariharan, Princeton U.
Nadiya chale chale re dhara Chanda chale chale re tara
Tujhko chalna hoga Tujhko chalna hoga Tujhko chalna hoga

Ashish S Bokil

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>In article <3c29cc$g...@CUBoulder.Colorado.EDU>, parr...@spot.Colorado.EDU (Rajan P. Parrikar) writes:
>>The following is posted on behalf of Ketan Dholakia who does not have direct
>>access to the net.

>> Atleast 2


>>notable exceptions to my knowledge are "Johar Mehmood in Goa" and "Bhoot
>>Bangla" in 1962. The MD of the first was Kalyanji-Anandji incidentally.
>>(If there are any other exceptions please post them on the net).

>>Ketan>

sm...@Lehigh.EDU (SAMIUDDIN MOHAMMED) writes:

>KK had sung the immortal "Woh sham kuch ajeeb thhi...." under Hemant Kumar's baton in Khamoshi for Rajesh Khanna. Now, Khamoshi is a b&w film and therefore I feel that it must've been released before Aaraadhna. Now, does this mean that KK's first song for someone other than himself or Dev Sahab was in Khamoshi ? Or was khamoshi released after Aaraadhna ???


Nopes ... !!! ... the movie mentioned by Ketan Dholkiya i.e. Bhoot Banglaa (RD
acted in it as well as composed music for it) was released before Khamoshi ...
(Jaagon sone waalon from that movie is KK's song ... )


>>INcidentally only "Gun guna rahe hai bhavre" and "Baagon main bahar hai" were
>>composed by RDB.

>Sami Mohammed (A Naushad fan)

Pertinent to Aaraadhnaa discussion, i also remember reading an article in
the newspaper after RD's death ... [i was there in India when this
happened :(] ... which was an interview with an old percussionist who was
in SD's as well as RD's orchestra ... that Mere sapnon ki raani was RD's
composition ....... he said that the harmonica pieces in it were also played by
RD himself .... [Sujit Kumar must have been elated at the privilege :)]

ashish


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