Remixes v Originals (was: Bhangra Charts 18th April 1995)
Aamir Hafeez Qazi
>
> It's all reasonable as you point out that people's tastes differ and it's
> up to individual choice. Hence I can only give my views and I cannot
> expect everybody to agree. But you must admit, there is tending to be a
> culture where remixes are almost expected to be carried out for any
> popular (or half popular) track. A lot of times the remix just irritates
> me.
--Sure, it's like that for the Western music industry. For example, the
Pet Shop Boys will put out a pop song for radio play, such as "Can you
forgive her?", and then you'll have a few remixes out of it to cross it
over to the dance floors in clubs...hence bringing in some extra sales.
Some remixes really are awful, others add a nice twist to the original,
I've already explained this in my previous post so I won't go into details.
>. Example: Bally Sagoo's Churaliya is a good remix. He's added a
> clever rhythmic bassline, some nice jazzy minor chords, and created a nice
> and new feel. Some people don't like the rap bit after the middle but I
> think it adds to the song. I found that most of the other stuff on
> Bollywood Flashback was a bit tedious and I would have preferred just a
> good quality compilation.
--Agreed, Chura Liya is a nice tune, but in my opinion, not the best track
on the cd...I didn't mind the ragga rap either.
> Mehbooba on side 2 competely detracted from the
> original. The faster speed just doesn't work for this song. O Saathi Re
> was hardly any different from the original except for maybe the backwards
> samples at the beginning. Roop Tera Mastana wasn't as good as the
> original - the remix just killed the atmosphere and sensuality of the
> original.
--My fave was "Jab Hum Jawan Honge", but that's because I like Western
dance music (House, Eurohouse, etc.) as well. I thought it was a great
track. I also liked "Yeh Sama Hai Pyar Ka" and the intro of "Quarbani".
"Choli ke Peeche" was pretty good, but I don't find myself listening to
it repeatedly. The other tracks get a thumbs down (well, Mehbooba was
pretty good).
--Aamir Qazi
qa...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
..RT ka pyara Boy..
COuld someone please tell me of some other tracks, like BOllywood
Flashback, that also have hindi movie song remixes.
Kashif
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Aamir Hafeez Qazi
>
> in western remixes though they use the orig. singer as a sample or
> whatever. this is definately true in rap etc. in bally sagoo's bllywood
> flashback he uses some other singers. i didn't like that. what do
> others think? esp. with mehbooba the difference was very big.
--Agreed, the vocalists on "Bollywood Flashback" weren't the greatest.
I think the vocals on "Jab Hum Jawan Honge" were quite good though.
Anyways, a producer/remixer has a lot more flexibility in creating
a remake of a Hindi film song if (s)he has newly recorded vocals,
and the track can be made ANY which way the producer/remixer would
like it to be. The limits are dictated only by the equipment and
the creativity and talent of the remixer/producer.
The usage of tapes that you and I buy at the IndoPak stores are more
difficult to deal with, coz it's much more difficult to deal with the
instrumentation & background vocals in the originals...the producer/remixer
might want to use only the vocals, but can't...naturally you can't just
weed out the vocals from a tape or cd! So the background vocals and
instrumentation dictate how the remix might sound, and it definitely
will restrict the creative bounds of the remixer/producer.
--Aamir Qazi
qa...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu
Bindi Bhumbra
> From article
<Pine.SUN.3.91.95042...@namaste.cc.columbia.edu>, by
Shabari Kumar <sm...@columbia.edu>:
> >
> > in western remixes though they use the orig. singer as a sample or
> > whatever. this is definately true in rap etc. in bally sagoo's bllywood
> > flashback he uses some other singers. i didn't like that. what do
> > others think? esp. with mehbooba the difference was very big.
>
> --Agreed, the vocalists on "Bollywood Flashback" weren't the greatest.
> I think the vocals on "Jab Hum Jawan Honge" were quite good though.
This was the worst thing about BF. Especially Mehbooba. Yuukh!! (Sorry Aamir)
> Anyways, a producer/remixer has a lot more flexibility in creating
> a remake of a Hindi film song if (s)he has newly recorded vocals,
> and the track can be made ANY which way the producer/remixer would
> like it to be. The limits are dictated only by the equipment and
> the creativity and talent of the remixer/producer.
>
> The usage of tapes that you and I buy at the IndoPak stores are more
> difficult to deal with, coz it's much more difficult to deal with the
> instrumentation & background vocals in the originals...the producer/remixer
> might want to use only the vocals, but can't...naturally you can't just
> weed out the vocals from a tape or cd! So the background vocals and
> instrumentation dictate how the remix might sound, and it definitely
> will restrict the creative bounds of the remixer/producer.
>
> --Aamir Qazi
I'm about 90% sure that Bally Sagoo went to India to do the recording for
Bollywood Flashback because there was a buzz going around here in England
in the radio stations that he was in India recording. At the time I
thought it was because he wanted to access the originals (which would have
been more challenging but also more rewarding) but, sadly, that was not
the case.
- but then again he might have just gone undercover and was using his
absence as a publicity pretence (just speculation). Actually, the only
person who I have heard bullshitting about his recording (allegedly) was
Amarjit Sidhu. He did an alleged *live* recording in front of a "massive
audience" at a stadium in Amsterdam. I heard from many nameless sources
that this was an outright lie and he just recorded it in Birmingam,
England - in a studio....
Bindi
--
Bindi Bhumbra
These are my opinions...so don't sue my employer
Aamir Hafeez Qazi
>
> I'm about 90% sure that Bally Sagoo went to India to do the recording for
> Bollywood Flashback because there was a buzz going around here in England
> in the radio stations that he was in India recording. At the time I
> thought it was because he wanted to access the originals (which would have
> been more challenging but also more rewarding) but, sadly, that was not
> the case.
--Yeah, the credits on the CD insert made mention of the vocalists in India.
Obviously, for songs such as "Qurbani Qurbani" or "Roop Tera Mastana",
he couldn't get the original vocalists even if he wanted to, coz Kishore
Kumar and Mohammad Rafi are no longer with us. On the other hand, it sure
sounds like he did get the original vocalists for "Choli Ke Peeche", but
that's because it's a very recent song, and the vocalists that sang it
are still in the business today. You can't say that for any of the
other tracks on "Bollywood Flashback" (correct me if I'm wrong, but I
don't think Asha Bhosle is singing anymore?).
Another Hindi remake tape is called "Crucial Jam EP" by Rhythm Squad
Records UK. They did a couple of tapes previously with Kumar Sanu
singing a few of his own tracks, but most of them were older Kishore
Kumar cover songs. "Crucial Jam EP" is unique such that the original
vocalists were used for the songs (Kumar Sanu and Alka Yagnik), which
included "Dil Jigar Nazar Kya Hai", 2 mixes of "Yeh Dua Hai Meri Rab Se",
and a jungle mix (yuck) of some track called "Yeh Ujli", featuring
both Kumar and Alka. Too bad the music is subpar (except for the first
mix of "Yeh Dua..."), and the vocals are quite poor too, despite the
vocalists being the original ones.
--Aamir Qazi
qa...@alpha2.csd.uwm.edu