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Piya Bawari--which rag?

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subhash barthwal

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Oct 31, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/31/98
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Here is a song from Kubsoorat...MD none other than RDB
Piya bawari... piya bawari
pi kahan pi kahan...

just want to know that on which raga this is based upon...
also if anyone is really aware of lyrics, can he just write it down here...

thanx in advance ...

-subhash

dhanashri_jagtap

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Nov 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/1/98
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In article , "subhash says...

From my limited understanding of Ragas, I find this song based on Raag Bihag.
Please correct me if I am wrong, I feel RD has used this Raaga quite often. Does
any one know any other songs based on this Raaga ?
Another one "mithe bol bole, bole payaliya" also by RD, is this also in Bihag ?

I dont quite remember the words of "piyaa baawari", but I am trying to put down
whatever I remember, so that those who know will be tempted to correct me.

Movie : Khoobsurat
MD: RD Burman
Lyrics : Gulzar
Singers: Asha Bhonsale, Ashok Kumar

nii saa ga ma pa nii dha pa

piyaa baawarii piyaa baawarii
pii kahaa.n pii kahaa.n piyaa piyaa bole re

ho Daali Daali piyaa, phoolo.n ki......
phoolo.n se chun ke rango.n ki chaadar bune
hu_ii baawarii, bhai baawari, aaa ...,

kaali kaali piyaa, saawan ke baadal chale,
baadal chunke, aa.nkho.n me kaajal bhune,
hu_ii baawari, bhai baawari, aa, aa....,

between two verses, there is also Ashok Kumar
singing, reciting a Radha-Krishna song, words I dont remember,
but something like :
"jamuna ke taT par...
.....
mei.n haari jaa jaa ri,
mei.n haari jaa jaa ri"

Some one please correct the above song (there is plenty of scope) and help to
put down the full song.

thanks and
best regards

Dhanashri

subhash barthwal

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Nov 1, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/1/98
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thanx Dhanashri! for the info...but even i am not sure the exact rag..hence
exists the query.., let's see anyone can make it more precise...
but still thanx goes for the lyrics...do u have any other list of songs
which could good as this ones...i am really looking for it...
cheers,

-subhash
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sramab...@pcc.lucent.com

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Nov 2, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/2/98
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In article <71j5tg$1...@pdrn.zippo.com>,

Dhanashri Jagtap wrote:
> In article , "subhash says...
> >
> >
>
> From my limited understanding of Ragas, I find this song based on Raag Bihag.

This one is a little hard to place, but I would be inclined to put it in the
category of Mishra Khamaj. Comments anyone?

> any one know any other songs based on this Raaga ?
> Another one "mithe bol bole, bole payaliya" also by RD, is this also in Bihag
?

Definitely not. This is a Mishra Bhairavi.

Some songs based on Behag - "Koi Gaata Main So Jaata" from Alaap
"Hamare Dil Se Na Jaana" from Udan Khatola
"Tere Pyaar Men Dildaar" from Mere Mehboob
"Mere Dil Ke Geet Chup The" from ??? (I think it's by
Meena Kapoor)
"Ae Dil-e-Beqaraar Jhoom" from Shah Jahan by K.L.Saigal
"Pal Bhar Ki Pehchaan" (non-film) by Manna Dey
"Tere Sur Aur Mere Geet" from Goonj Uthi Shehnaai

Cheers,

Sanjeev
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Snehal B. Oza

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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In <71ktde$7rh$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com> sramab...@pcc.lucent.com writes:

>Some songs based on Behag - "Koi Gaata Main So Jaata" from Alaap
> "Hamare Dil Se Na Jaana" from Udan Khatola
> "Tere Pyaar Men Dildaar" from Mere Mehboob
> "Mere Dil Ke Geet Chup The" from ??? (I think it's by
>Meena Kapoor)

It's indeed by Meena KApoor and film is Aakash (1953). MD Anil Biswas. Is it
available ? On which album ? What's your source ?

Regards,
Snehal

il_...@yahoo.com

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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In article <71ktde$7rh$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
sramab...@pcc.lucent.com wrote:

> Some songs based on Behag - "Koi Gaata Main So Jaata" from Alaap
> "Hamare Dil Se Na Jaana" from Udan Khatola
> "Tere Pyaar Men Dildaar" from Mere Mehboob
> "Mere Dil Ke Geet Chup The" from ??? (I think it's by
> Meena Kapoor)

> "Ae Dil-e-Beqaraar Jhoom" from Shah Jahan by K.L.Saigal
> "Pal Bhar Ki Pehchaan" (non-film) by Manna Dey
> "Tere Sur Aur Mere Geet" from Goonj Uthi Shehnaai


I feel "Beeti na bitaayi raina" from "Parichay" is also
based on Behag.


Afzal

dhanashri_jagtap

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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In article , ADhar...@WorldBank.Org says...
>
>In article <71ndq7$kvf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, il_...@yahoo.com says...

>>
>>
>> I feel "Beeti na bitaayi raina" from "Parichay" is also
>> based on Behag.
>>
>>
>> Afzal
>
>
>Isn't it Yaman Kalyan?
>
>
>Ashok
>

Looks like no one is sure about these raagas. The bosses should really look into
it and confirm.
I too feel that "Beeti na bitayi raina" is based on Bihag. and I still feel that
"piya bawari" and "mithe bol bole, bole payaliya" are also based on Bihag,
though these two have been challenged. (The one in bhairavi is "jhoothe naina
bole, sachi batiya" from Lekin(Asha !))

Also how about "naam gum jayega, chehra ye badal jayega" Is this also based on
Bihag ?
That is why I feel that RD has quite a few songs in Bihag.

Thanks and Best Regards,
Dhanashri

Abhay P

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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In article , Dhanashri says...
>(snip)

>though these two have been challenged. (The one in bhairavi is "jhoothe naina
>bole, sachi batiya" from Lekin(Asha !))

"jhoothe nainaa bole" is unmistakably Bilaskhani Todi, _not_ Bhairavi.

Warm regards
Abhay

Rajan P. Parrikar

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Nov 3, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/3/98
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>I too feel that "Beeti na bitayi raina" is based on Bihag. and I still feel
> that "piya bawari" and "mithe bol bole, bole payaliya" are also based on
>Bihag, though these two have been challenged.

Rightly so.

"beeti nA bitAye" has elements of both Khamaj and Bihag and some
that are beyon these two. For instance, the mukhDA "beeti nA botAye rainA"
is just the standard bihAg phrase P m G M G, S G (where m=tivra madhyam).
The antarA employs the komal nishAd amply and is khamAj-like in its
opening bars but then swerves elsewhere. This kind of promiscuity is
entirely in character with RD Burman, who could almost never be accused
of fidelity to any one rAga.

"mithe bol" is not in Bihag. It is best assigned, as S. Ramabhadran
noted earlier, to Mishra Bhairavi.

>Also how about "naam gum jayega, chehra ye badal jayega" Is this also based on
>Bihag ?

No. It has a kalyAN-esque base, but employs varied sanchAris of bilAwal,
khamAj etc.

>That is why I feel that RD has quite a few songs in Bihag.

We will simply advise that you cultivate some new feelings.

>Thanks and Best Regards,
>Dhanashri

Just plain or with pooriyA?

Warm regards,

r

Ashok

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Nov 4, 1998, 3:00:00 AM11/4/98
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karan_ma...@yahoo.com

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May 12, 2014, 12:33:38 PM5/12/14
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On Saturday, October 31, 1998 1:30:00 PM UTC+5:30, subhash barthwal wrote:
> Here is a song from Kubsoorat...MD none other than RDB
> Piya bawari... piya bawari
> pi kahan pi kahan...
>
> just want to know that on which raga this is based upon...
> also if anyone is really aware of lyrics, can he just write it down here...
>
> thanx in advance ...
>
> -subhash

bhairavi or jaunpuri ..... definately not bihaag ... come'on

Hasan

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May 18, 2014, 1:39:12 AM5/18/14
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Other songs in Raag Bihag (all shud notes):

1. Zindagi ke safar meiN guzar jaate haiN jo muqaam; Film: Aap ki Qasam

2. Tere pyar meiN dildar jo hai mera haal-e-zaar; Film: Mere Mehboob

3. Tujhay jeewan ki dor se baandh liya hai; Film: Asli Naqli

4. Tere sur aur mere geet dono mil kar bane gi preet; Film: Goonj Uthi Shahnai

sushilc...@gmail.com

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Aug 24, 2017, 2:06:12 PM8/24/17
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Piya bawari....As per the notes,chalan, aaroh & avroh,the rag is Khamaj. Other songs in khamaj are, bada natkhat hai krishna kanhaiya, kuch to log kahenge logo ka kam hai kehena, ayo kaha se ghanashyam, ab kya missal doo ke tumhare, mere to giridhar gopal, vaishnav jan to....

salmaf...@gmail.com

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