Effect of marital status on music compositions
ravi
Ameen Sayaani has reappeared on radio in India with his programme
called "Sangeet key sitaare". It is a two-hour programme which is
broadcast between 8-10 p.m.every sunday on Red FM 93.5. Recently on
one of the episodes, Ameen Sayaani was playing an old recorded
interview with the late Jaidev. In response to Ameen's question about
his single status, Jaidev said something to the effect that he had
seen what had happened to a lot of his friends who had gotten married.
He further went on to claim that a creative artist is finished the
moment he gets married and if your "fun" is important to you, you must
desist. Of course, as obiter dictum, he did mention that he had been
suffering from asthma and hence marriage had never been a priority in
his mind!
However, it set me thinking whether there was actually any merit in
Jaidev's statement. And if so is there any empirical evidence of any
other music composer not having married and it having shown in his
compositions. or vice versa. also is there a perceptible difference in
the quality of compositions of a composer - pre and post marriage.
a quick look at the major composers between 1950-70
S D Burman
Naushad
Roshan
R D Burman
Lakshmikant Pyarelal
Kalyanji Anandji
Madan Mohan
Jaidev
Chitragupta
O P Nayyar
Khaiyyam
C Ramachandra
Shankar
Jaikishen
there must be many others too. but I believe all of these were married
(except Jaidev and prob. Shankar too)
any inputs here.
Regards
Ravi
Sudhir
Laxmikant and Pyarelal plus
Kalyanji and Anandji are two people and should have been
listed under two lines.
Incidentally, artists' personal life is not something, which I get excited about.
I follow Gon Gibson's (the singer) addict:
Don't Tell Me Your Touble
I have toubles Of My Own
Leave Me Alone
Sudhir
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Srinivas Ganti
Good to see your post on RMIM after a long gap and for a change you are
pursuing something apart from plagiarism !
Surely being a bachelor gives greater flexibility becos one is not
constrained
by additional responsibilites. One can let their creative juices flow freely
without too much worry about commercial success. This is probably
what Jaidev meant.
OTOH being a bachelor can turn a person into a recluse and then he can
just become obsessed with his tunes and loose the "pulse of the public"
and consistently give music which people may not appreciate.I am not
suggesting that Jaidev fell in this category but I am posing a counterpoint
to the advantages of being a bachelor.
Now lets move to SDB.Here's a snippet from an interview in which
Dev Anand talks about SDB.
<<
He was also prone to repeated illnesses. Why was that?
It is my personal opinion that this was because Dada was not content because
his wife was a dominating woman. Yes, he fell sick very often and I remember
that I was adamant about waiting for him to recover during the making of
Guide.
>>
I also heard that Meera Dev Burman used to interfere in recordings
and suggest her own tunes etc.
I don't have years in which the composers got married, but SDB
got married before 1950 for sure. Most probably he got married
in the 1930's.
sg.
"ravi" <vrk...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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naniwadekar
>
> OTOH being a bachelor can turn a person into a recluse and then he can
> just become obsessed with his tunes and loose the "pulse of the public"
> and consistently give music which people may not appreciate.I am not
> suggesting that Jaidev fell in this category but I am posing a
counterpoint
> to the advantages of being a bachelor.
>
I somehow doubt it whether the quality of SDB, RDB and
Jaidev's output would have differed significantly if, instead
of not getting a chance to sleep with Marilyn Monroe in
the 1950s, they had had sex with her.
No such research can be taken seriously unless it mentions
the age at which the MDs under discussion lost their virginity.
Though not a researcher myself, I would readily grant that
this aspect of composers' lives has not been studied in depth
by scholars researching Cine music. I am eagerly looking
forward to more posts and enlightenment in this thread.
- dn
Afzal A. Khan
Srinivas Ganti wrote:
> One can let their creative juices flow freely.......
No pun intended, I am sure......
> his wife was a dominating woman.
>
> I also heard that Meera Dev Burman used to interfere in recordings
> and suggest her own tunes etc.
>
> I don't have years in which the composers got married, but SDB
> got married before 1950 for sure. Most probably he got married
> in the 1930's.
>
> sg.
Are we to understand that, apart from RDB and Jaidev,
even Meera Devi ought to be given credit for some of
SDB's compositions ? !!!
Probable period of SDB's marriage should be around
1937-38 --- RDB was born in 1939.
Afzal
ravi
you must have an elephantine memory. that was three years ago. not
that i have not been following postings on this site. but most of them
are way too recondite for me. and since vividh bharati is no longer
available in delhi, am forced to listen to the same 'tunuk tunuk tuns'
which the fms dish out. hence am not able to recognise most songs
which i would have earlier recognised.
anyways back to nani's post. i suppose the suggestion in jaidev's
interview had nothing to do with the loss of virginity. He in fact
used words to the effect "maine shaadi key baad unkaa haal dekhaa hai"
to allude to friends who had gotten married. the referece would have
been to the restrictions that marriage brings with it. something
surendra sharma very nattily refers to as
woh kaunsa sukh hai jo sirf kunwaarey ko naseeb hai
woh subah uthtey waqt bistar key kisii bhii taraf sey utar saktaa hai
yeh sukh shaadishudaa ko naseeb nahii hotaa
ravi
Harish
dn, as I understand Ravi's post, he means "marriage", not having
"sex". He wants to understand whether the creative juices continue to
flow at the same rate after the loss of freedom and additional
responsibility that marriage entails. Can't expect non-married MDs to
remain virgin throughout.:)
HK
Ket...@att.net
> Are we to understand that, apart from RDB and Jaidev,
> even Meera Devi ought to be given credit for some of
> SDB's compositions ? !!!
Yes and the following persons, should also be credited-- N.Datta, Surhid Kar,
the gurkha in his "Jet" building on whom he tried out his tunes, his personal
physician who refused to give him medication, so that he could keep having
heart-attacks, and myself--since my school being right across from RD's house, I
remember him coming there to visit RD and whilst standing outside my school,
happened to see me and tried out tunes that later on went into Tere Mere Sapne,
Abhimaan, Sharmilee, Chupke Chupke etc. I distinctly remember telling him not
to use the tunes that ended up in "Us Paar" but he winked at me and said he
would get RD to take the credit for that one, since he intended to have a
heart-attack at that time.
Ketan
Vinayak K.Gore
> Naushad
> Roshan
> R D Burman
> Lakshmikant Pyarelal
> Kalyanji Anandji
> Madan Mohan
> Jaidev
> Chitragupta
> O P Nayyar
> Khaiyyam
> C Ramachandra
> Shankar
> Jaikishen
>
Vinayak
Vijay Kumar K
Not only do you need to know whether they were married, but also which films
they did before and after marriage and then determine whether the quality of
their work changed.
Best of Luck.
Vijay
ravi
A R Rahman seems to be a case in point here.He got married in 1996.
Pre 1996 he had notable movies like
Roja
Thiruda Thiruda
Pudiya Mugam
Gentleman
May Maatham
Kaathalan
Duet
Rangeela
Bombay
Kaadal Desam
Fire
Indian
And post marriage his movies (notable ones ) are (I am listing only
movies post 2000 to allow for his music bank to be exhausted!)
Lagaan
Legend of Bhagat Singh
Baba
Kannathil Muthamittal
Boys
Tehzeeb
cant detect a pattern here as other factors like Bombay dreams might
be having a bearing here. though lagaan was a dream score, others dont
quite stand in the same league.
was rdb a different musician post marriage. he first got married in
1960 and stayed so till 1974. again got married in 1980 and stayed so
till death. 1960-74 would be one of his golden phases.
Harish
Yes Vijay. And also if the marriage was a happy one or a sad one. We
can then see whether a happy marriage has improved or deteriorated his
output.
HK
Ket...@att.net
>was rdb a different musician post marriage. he first got married in
>1960 and stayed so till 1974. again got married in 1980 and stayed so
>till death. 1960-74 would be one of his golden phases.
I believe RDB divorced his first wife in 1969. The date when he married Asha is
in dispute, with some saying 1974, some saying 1978 and still others saying
1980. Even if you take the first date--1974, it can be said that the golden
period of his career was between his divorce in 1969 and his re-marriage in
1974.
Quite possibly this period of being unattached allowed him to listen to
thousands of western tunes which he then copied in later years(Just beating Ravi
Krishna to the punch, since THAT PAVLOVIAN DOG will bark sooner or later). If
you are a member of the RDB group, you need to take into account another factor.
They believe that like Abhimanyu, he was composing from the womb, so that
anything that he or SDB did from 1939 onwards was his golden period, so marriage
dates here might be completely irrelevant.
Ketan