Roshan Quiz: RJGK(47): Comments
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I am posting the comments from various participants. My replies
are preceded with prompt 'Harish>>>>'.
Thanx.
Harish
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Radha and Abhay Phadnis:
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Thank you for an enjoyable quiz. We only wish you had not given away
quite so many clues!
We had the time of our lives going through the songs. However, we have
some sore points: there is too much of Mukesh; we badly missed some
great Lata numbers ("sakhii rii meraa", "ai ri jaane na doo.ngi", "chhun
chhun chhun baaje paayal morii", "aeri aali piyaa bina", "saarii saarii
raat terii yaad sataaye", "vikal moraa manwaa", "rehte the kabhii",
"rahe.n na rahe.n hum", "mahalo.n kaa raajaa milaa" ......... where do
we stop?); also, you could surely have added a Rafi number from his gems
in "barsaat ki raat"!
Anyway, that's just nit-picking. The bottom line is: we enjoyed
ourselves!
Harish>>>> Thanks a lot. I changed the "mamta" song from "chaahe to
moraa jiyaa"
to "chupaalo yun dil.." to include HK and to also reduce the Roshan
classical
flavour which may make the quiz tougher. Mukesh songs are more in number
but
I thought that since they are popular, more people might be encouraged
to participate.
"tum agar mujhko na chaaho to koi baat nahin" (dil hi to hai)
I have always thought of this as the "dog-in-the-manger" song! :-)
"salaam-e-hasrat qabool kar lo" (baabar)
IIRC, the fourth word in the first line of the antara quoted should be
"justajuu" and not "aarzoo".
"kaahe tarasaaye jiyaraa" (chitralekha)
Two songs from "chitralekha" and you leave out "sakhi rii meraa man
uljhe"?!?
Harish>>>> Forced to.
"dil jo na keh sakaa" (bheegi raat)
I think this is a tandem song: I distinctly remember a Lata version.
Sadly, neither version is indicative of Roshan's best!
Harish>>>> Yes. Lata has a version. Agree about the quality.
"phulgendwaa na maaro na maaro" (duuj kaa chaand)
Why is this song called "semi-classical"? It sounds to me more like a
parody - and a pretty awful one at that.
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A-HA team Amol, Hemlata, Arunabha
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Here's our entry for your quiz. We might send additional
comments later. But for now, thanks for having a quiz on Roshan . My
personal (Arunabha Roy) gripe is for not incuding "paao.n chhuu lene do
phuulo.n ko" but "jo vaadaa kiyaa wo" isn't bad either. Anyway, one
shouldn't argue about quizmaster's preferences, should one :)
Harish>>>> I remember 'paao.n chuu..' song was part of an earlier RJGK
quiz
on ghazals by Abhay Avachat. So did'nt include this. Sorry for that.
Similarly your team's favourite (dont know about amol but definitely
arunabha
and hema) singer's 'nigaahe milaane ko jee...' was dropped because it
was part of
Himanshu's RJGK recently.
I resisted my preferences to include all singers Roshan used. I wanted
to go in the line of Radha-Abhay Phadnis, but then the quiz may not be
popular.
arup, padma, sreedevi
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Thanks very much for a very enjoyable quiz that introduced us to a lot of new
songs.
... This is the first RJGK that I am participating in even though I have
been reading the newsgroup since its inception. My team mates are two of my
colleagues here at MCI - Sreedevi Tangella and Padma Varadan.
I enjoyed the questions and the clues. Couldn't get all but I guess
participation is more important than winning :)
Harish>>>> After today's war of words in the net, your words are like
cool breeze
for me. Hope your team will continue
to participate and flourish in the future RJGKs.
srinivas ganti
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You have done a great job in choosing songs which represent the
complete Repertoire of Roshan.The only error i could find was in
question 17,the lyricist should be Kaif Irfani.
Looking at the treasure of composition that Roshan has
given, I feel that he did not get the deserved recognition.
Most of his 50's compositions
are relatively unknown despite
being great.One of the reasons could be the commercial failure of films for
which
he scored music(50's only).I hardly recall listening to any songs of
RaagRang,NauBahaar etc which are supposed to be among the best of his works.
As far as I can recollect I have rarely heard his 50's compositions on
vividh Bharati(Baawrenain,Malhar and Shisham are exceptions)
I also feel that StarPower also played an Important role.
Most of the 50's songs played on the TV were picturised on Dilip,Dev
and Raj and Roshan did very few movies with this triumvarite.
(None with Dilip and Dev if i am not wrong).
Harish>>>> Thanks Srinivas. I too do not know much of the star cast in
his
50s films.
Hope someone else picks this up. The error in 17 was brought by a few
other
participants too. Sorry for that.
As for the repertoire, I was looking for a bhajan by Roshan in the CDs
available
here. I could not find it. Only recently, I have seen one in Latanjali
series by
Anil Hingorani. Other than that I am happy to have included all other
types
of songs by Roshan I guess.
ketan and shalini
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Great quiz, and
shows what a truly great composer he was. The song selection was very nice
showing a wide range of his abilities and the depth of his creativity.
After doing this quiz, one wishes that he had composed for many more
movies than the mere 49.
While we are glad that you did not include too many obvious ones, we still
think that the song selection could have been a little more varied.
Instead of 2 songs from the same movie, one could have included some other
gems.
Harish>>>> From the beginning giving an easy quiz was lingering in my
mind
as it encourages more participation. Many of Roshan's songs except the
popular
ones, may not have been heard by say normal_rmimer. So to make it easy,
I poured
lot of clues ranging from film name, or anagramming the mukhda line etc,
or added
the "radif" kind in some songs. For some it was helpful and for some it
became
too easy. The 2 songs criteria came to add popular songs from BKR or
Chitralekha
which are better known. From Nai Umar ki Nai Fasal, I chose swapna jhade
phul se
which is popular than a couple of gems like 'aaj ki raat.' by Asha/Rafi
or
'isko bhi apnaat chal usko bhi.." by Rafi or 'Mora saiyya gulaabi.."
. Similarly to include Shamshaad, I chose Bogi Bogi
instead of another gem song 'gaye chale jaa' from hamlog. Dadi Ma had a
couple of
better songs than the usko nahi dekha, which brought in Mkaps/Manndey
combo.
But, Roshan is not complete in just 1 quiz of mere 30 songs. Another
quiz can be conducted in the future to have some more gems like ei ri,
aye ri,
sakhi ri, vikal man mora, chaahe to mora, saari saari raat, na to karwa,
mai ne shaayad, teri duniya me,..........and many more...
Thanx for all the good words.
"tum agar mujhko naa chaahe.."
Cute clueing and even cuter song.
Harish>>>> Thanks.
Has Roshan used HemantK a lot?
Harish>>>> Does'nt look like so from what I have. If anyone else
knows, please pass the info.
>> In the early 50's, Roshan has used KK quite a bit. Shisham, Aaghosh,
>> Maalkin(wherein KK has 4 out of the 5 male songs)
pawan jha and vinay jain
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Here is our entry for the RJGK-47 ROSHAN Special. Congratulations for
a great quiz. Roshan saheb deserves a quiz on RMIM. Thanks for
providing a ticket down memoy lane. Few of the albums(like HumLog)
were put in the audio player after a long time. Great listening and
solving too. Really had good time solving the quiz.
Harish>>>> You are welcome!. Thanks. Anytime a quiz on Roshan or Madan
or CR
or SDB or OPN likes is going to be liked. The love people have for these
great men is enormous. I covered only 25 of his films which are
available
to me. There are another 25 movies and all the other songs from the 25
films I covered. Someone else can cover these. Especially Roshan of 50s.
prince kohli and neeraj malhotra
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first of all, thanks for a very nice quiz on a great MD. It makes
the participants go back and hear all those gems again and who
can fault you for that?
Third, your clues helped a lot in reaching the song. There were
a number of hints buried in there and sometimes you were quite
tricky, so it made it even more interesting.
Harish>>>> Thanks a lot. Especially for the clues part.
roopa, sanju, salim, babli
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A comment or two:
1. The list of Roshan films you provided added an extra interesting
factor to the research on songs.
2. The quiz as a whole had one structural problem, and one which can be
easily avoided: I cannot say for sure about a couple of songs which I
don't remember very well, but almost all the songs in this quiz were
quoted in a way that gave away the mukhda in the last line. Perhaps with
the exception of #3. For example, in
"poochhe koi ke dard-e-vafaa kaun de gayaa
raaton do jaagne ki sazaa kaun de gayaa
kehne ko ho malaal to hum kyaa javaab dein"
the second half of the last line quoted is a dead giveaway. So, even if
the first two lines sounded unfamiliar to me as I read them, or sounded
vaguely familiar, I was deprived of the challenge of thinking about
them, because as soon as I read the last line, I recognized the mukhda
in it. This is only one example of what happened repeatedly in this
quiz. So, for the most part, I either already knew the song well enough
to recognize the first line of the stanza (in which case I didn't have
to think), or I got it from the last line, which was almost identical to
one of the lines of the mukhda (in which case I didn't have to think
either). The only songs I wasn't able to guess this way were the ones I
hadn't heard before.
To make a fine distinction: I'm not suggesting the quiz was too easy,
but that that reason it became easy was avoidable. Design easy quizzes,
by all means, or difficult ones, or whatever in between, but in a quiz
where participants are supposed to FIGURE OUT THE MUKHDA, it doesn't
help to offer it to them in the clue itself. It's like somebody telling
you within the first half-hour of watching Jewel Thief, that Ashok Kumar
did it, just when you're beginning to get your teeth into all the clues,
and just when the mystery is hotting up!
I hope all this makes sense. Thanks for a quiz in which I had fun
getting nostalgic about so many wonderful Roshan songs.
Harish>>>> you do make sense to me. Most were intentional to make the
quiz easier. After seeing the replies from various RMIMers,
some could have been avoided. That is a
good point. I divided the quiz audience in to 2 groups. One for people
expert people, to name a few, Ashok, Balaji-Malini, Vish, Snehal,
Hrishi,
Anil H, Kalyan, Ketan,
Prince,Neeraj, Satish Kalra, Sami... kind of people. There is no way a
quiz can
be made easier or tougher for these people. Almost, 60-70% of all people
from this set participate in all RJGKs. Normally a set of 5-7 songs
are picked hoping to test this group's standards.
The 2nd group is for normal music listeners who know all popular songs
and some special songs, listen to songs as a background process while
doing some work,
they have the regular Golden
Collections, Retrospect series etc. This group of people need to be
encouraged to participate more and the way is to add more clues
especially
for Roshan's films which were not hits and known lesser.
From your feedback, it looks like, there needs to be more balance
brought in.
samiuddin
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Thanks for the RJGK on my fav MD (#2 after Naushad). I wish I could have done
better, but I really enjoyed the quiz
Harish>>>> Thanks a lot.
satish kalra
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Main dil huun ik armaan bharaaa..
Yes, Piano was widely popular even in those days. Remember "dar na mohabbat
kar le" and "jhoom jhoom ke naacho aaj" + "tuu kahe agar jiwan bhar" from
Andaaz - 1949.
Iss paanch man ke..dil ho gaya shanti falaitiya re ..rabba khair..
KK singing for Roshan - rarity maybe, but not that rare also. Remember the
famous KK/Meena Kapoor duet from Maashooqa - yeh samaan hum tum jawaan pehloo
se dil saraq jaaye....
snehal-suresh ============= Here is our entry for RJGK-47. Thanks for an easy
one. We liked the song selection. Most impressive thing you did is staying
away from all songs not available commercially. At the same time you could
include songs from Ghar Ghar Me Diwali and Noorjehan. I am sure many would
find the quiz satisfying. As always thanks for reminding some good old
melody.
Harish>>>> After talking to Abhay Avachat (a while ago), or from Ashok's
inputs or various RMIMers responses over last 2 years, the quiz should
not
be very hard. So I kept that in mind and went for such easiness.
It surprised us, that you chose to repeat films, when choices were available.
Did you consider Taksaal (1955): 'Dil Bhi Tera Hum Bhi Tere' ; Agra Road
(1957), Aji Bus Shukriya (1958): 'Saari Saari Raat Teri Yaad Sataye'; Madhu
(1959); Heera Moti (1959) -- which incidentally is missing from the
filmography you gave ?
Harish>>>> None of these are available with me. Heera Moti needs to be
added
to the filmography.
Usually people talk about representation of different MD (if it's not on one
MD) and singers (if it's not on particular singer). I will not complain on
singers' representation here. Actually I didn't attempt to find what it is;
what I did search for though, was songs from one of my favourite lyricist -
Qaif Irfani, who has significant work with Roshan. Any reason to leave him
out ? May be you never intended that way by design; quiz would have been more
complete with him.
Harish>>>> Nothing special to leave out. If the songs fell in my
criteria in my
collection, they went in to the quiz. I have noticed 1 in shisham
'banayi hai itni badi..' and
then 1 in the quiz 'mat ched zindagi..'
> 03. This Talat song is a nice peace although no extra ordinary.
> Usage of piano so much in 1951. Impossible? No. "Unpossible".
> Roshan uses piano a lot in this song which must be rare in
> the time frame of 1951-52.
2S-SNE> You missed Naushad's piano magic from Andaz (1949), Dastan (1950)
etc. I am sure there are more. Actually Anil Biswas scored almost entire
soundtack on Piano (film Aaram). Shankar Jaikishan used Piano for Awara
(1951).
> All the goldie-dhunkaars had a great
> piece with Talat like MM - ham se aaya na gayaa,
> CR - mohabbat hi na jo samjhe, Salil - aansu samjh ke kyo mujhe,
> SDB - jalte hain, AB - seene me sulagti hain,
> Sajjad - ye hawaa ye raat etc etc. Roshan is also in the same league,
> but not this particular song.
2S-SNE> I have problems aligning with this.
soumya, supriya
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Enjoyed it thoroughly
Harish>>>> Thanks.
tabassum h
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Interesting quiz though not very easy but not very difficult also, atleast
people new to RMIM can try to attempt. My knowledge of Roshan was
restricted to his qawallis and his famouse movies. There are many
songs in your quiz which I liked but never relaised they are
Roshan's creation. Roshan-Mukesh combination was something more
difficult to crack. I could attempt 80% question which was surprise
to me also. Anyway I enjoyed the quiz, nice selection of songs.
Harish>>>> Thanks a lot.
Song : Jo wada kiya woh nibhana pade ga
A give away song, a line from qawalli "Chandi ka badan" would have atleast
made us think for a while.
Harish>>>> Easiness considerations..
Song :Man re too kahe na dheer dhare
A beautiful film with all nice songs and superb performances
( minus Pardeep Kumar) and direction .
Film : Bahu begam.
Qawalli in this film "Waqif hun khoob ishq ke" is on of the best film qawalli
IMO though
not so popular.
Song : Salam hasrat kabool karlo What a beautiful lyric by Sahir. Recently
heard this nice song in one of the GC of HMV and been humming from that day
specially lines you have chosen.
Song : Mile na phool to kanto se dosti kar li
Film : Anokhi raat
Is gaane ke liye aapki situation film se bhi zyada fit lagi :-) Clue dekhe
baghair
he gana mil gaya.
Harish>>>> Thanks.
Song : Dil jo na keh saka wohi raz-e-dil
Film : Bheeghi raat.
Roshan has many film with "raat" as part of title. Was he specialist in
composing songs to be sung in night :-)
Harish>>> Guess so. 'har nayi raat nayi..', 'zindagi bhar nahin
bhulegi',
'raat ki mehfil', 'aaj ki raat', 'thi shub suhaag ki raat', 'saari saari
raat
teri yaad..',
Song : Phool gendva na maro lagat kalejwa pe chot Film : Dooj ka chand Many
of Manna.D's beautiful songs are picturised so badly, like this one on Agha
and another "Kaun aaya mere man ke duware" On Anup Kumar and quite a few on
Mehmood. I find it like a miuse of his classical singing. Harish>>>>
Justifies Radha-Abhay's comment of parody.
vijay kumar k
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First, good work done. A nice quiz, and some easy ones. Coming after
Himanshu & Sarita-Shalini's cryptic RJGKs, and Chetan & Vish-Kalyan's
tough nuts, this was a welcome break. It especially helped that of the
few CDs I have with me here (all purchased in the last 9 months or so),
I had Barsat ki Raat-TajMahal, Bahu Begum-Chitralekha, Anhonee-Bewafa
and you liberally sprinkled the quiz with selections from these films :)
Also, Snehal's recent Mukesh-Roshan thread helped.
Harish>>>> Thanks Vijay.
/*
** Nakshab is not so widely used a poet. The only place I find him is on
the
** Anhonee soundtrack (zindagi badali) and for Mahal (aayega aanewala et
al).
Harish>>>> 'actress' 1948, hum apne dil ka fasaana unhe... great song
by Rafi, 'Nagma'.. Talat's o teer chalane wale..
8. khayaalo me kisi ke
Bawre Nain
Kedar Sharma
Mukesh, Geeta Dutt
/*
** you make up for Kalyan-Vish having omitted this in their Geeta Dutt
quiz.
*/
Harish>>>> Luckily they spared it for me.
/*
** AFAIK, Malkin is the only film in which Kishore-Roshan featured
together. But this
** song is not a solo, I am told. Rafi also sings this. But the mukha.Da
suggests the
** same kind of nonsense that the antara indicates. Is this right?
*/
Harish>>>> No knowledge. Hope Someone picks it.
On second thoughts, this is NOT that easy a quiz. Which is quite
appropriate for a Roshan quiz. His music always
seems simple and straight forward but on repeated listening,
you realize the multiple levels at which it operates.
Harish>>>> Yes, that is true. But he changed a little in 60s.
BkR, Taj Mahal, mamta, Bahu Begum are some exceptions. Here
we have tunes which are liked in the 1st round.
But his 50s songs are like you said.
Hrishi Dixit
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03. This Talat song is a nice peace although no extra ordinary.
Usage of piano so much in 1951. Impossible? No. "Unpossible".
Roshan uses piano a lot in this song which must be rare in
the time frame of 1951-52.
[ Not really. Andaz (1949) has a lot of it, as do movies like
Aaram (1951), to some extent Sangdil (1952), Deedar (1951),
Hulchul (1951), etc. ]
08. Geeta Roy and Mukhesh singing a duet.., must be a rare combination.
Mei ne tho khayaalon me bhi nahi socha ki eisa combination hi.
Well, Roshan caught hold of them when Kidar Sharma wrote the following.
jinhe mitnaa to woh mithne se dar jaaya nahin karte
wo dar jaaya nahin karte
......
Who's the heroine with Raj Kapoor in this ?
Harish>>> Someone please answer..
afzal khan
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garjat barsat ......
The classical bandish was used in
one of his early films also :Garjat barsat bheegat aayi lo
(IIRC) but it was rather brief. Despite the beauty of the
BkR song, I have always thought it was sort of wasted in the
film as it is played in the background when the credit
titles are being displayed. The viewers' attention is
thereby diverted, preventing full enjoyment of the song.
jo waada kiya woh nibhaana ...
Despite the decline in her career,
Bina Rai was still the first choice for such "period" films
and she carried off the role well with her regal bearing.
main dil hooN ik armaan...
The QM literally forces
your attention to this film by talking about "Unpossible"
etc. But why the surprise about the use of the piano in
1951 ? It had been used by this time in a number of films,
"Babul", "Dastan", "Andaz", "Aaram", to name a few.
Was it "simulated" to accommodate the "unpossible" part ?
Harish>>>> You read my mind.
tum agar mujhko ..........
If not for "Taj Mahal", the music score in this film too
was good enough to win the Filmfare award for Roshan in
1963.
man re tu kaahe ...
A real tour de force for Roshan. His fondness for Yaman is
undisputed. But one can perhaps say the same for Bhairavi
too, e.g. "Laaga chunri men daagh", "Phool gendwa na maaro",
and "Dhaani chunar meri haaye re, jane kahaaN..".
khayaaloN men kisike .......
In the film, Vijayalakshmi
(who sings this song) is in love with Raj Kapoor who
has already lost his heart to Geeta Bali. 'V' dies of
small-pox. What an irony ! In real life, it was Geeta
Bali who succumbed to this dreaded disease.
duniya kare sawaal to hum
The entire score was memorable. I remem-
ber the mujra put over by Helen. Beautiful poetry.
Meena Kumari was way past her prime as was Ashok Kumar
and Pradeep Kumar. But it would have been difficult to
rope in three younger stars to act in this movie.
salaame hasrat..
Sudha Malhotra did not
quite get the recognition due to her. Another instance
of the "monopoly" at work perhaps ?
roothe saiyya..
Beautiful
music. A wonderful mujra song. "Aaya hai muje phir yaad
woh zaalim" was another great Mukesh solo.
kaahe tarsaaye re,
Usha could be useful for such songs as her less than
perfect voice could be "covered" by Asha's mellifluous
singing.
nigaah-e-naaz ke maaroN ka haal
One of the three great qawwalees
from this film. It led to a trend of most films in
the immediate subsequent period including at least
one qawwali. I think there was a film called "Qawwali
ki Raat" made around 1964. Apart from Shyama (who
looked ravishing), the other girl singing this qawwali
was Ratna, who shortly thereafter married Bharat Bhushan,
who was a widower. The competing qawwal in the film was
Khurshid Bawra, who died very young of a heart attack,
around 1965.
bahut diya dene................
This song reminds me of a beautiful Urdu sher :
Dene wale tujhe dena hai to itna dede
Ke mujhe shikwa-e-kotaahiye daamaaN ho jaye
mat chheR zindagi ke khamosh....
The QM need not have given such
an obvious clue. The lyricist was Kaif Irfani and not
Kaifi Irani. Actually, "Dil-e-beqaraar soja" was the
title of a heart-rending nazm by a rather obscure Urdu
poet Munshi DurgaSahai Suroor Jahanabadi who wrote it
around 1909 on the death of his young daughter. He died
soon thereafter of a stroke.
mile na phool to kaaNtoN se dosti
Two talented artistes like Ajay
(Parikshit) Sahni and Zahida didn't quite fulfil the
cinegoers' expectations. Another great song from
this film was "Oh re taal mile nadi ke jal men".
After Roshan's death, whenever Mukesh gave a concert,
this was always his first song.
raat ki mehfil sooni sooni...
Meena Kumari was hopelessly miscast.
The film was produced by Sheikh Mukhtar who took
the print with him to Pakistan when he migrated there
in the early seventies. Due to rigid opposition from
the local movie-makers, he could not get it released
commercially and died heartbroken.
tere pyaar ko is tarah se bhulaana,
A most forgettable film.
I think the leading man was Ravindra Kapoor (?) who
is better remembered for his role as Jeetendra's
sidekick in "Caravan". I thought even the music
score was disappointing and not upto Roshan's high
standards.
bogi bogi...
My early memories of Nutan are from a
couple of songs of this period, "Chali chali ja, chhor
ke duniya.." from this film and "Tu ne Haye mere zakhm-e-
jigar ko chhoo liya" from "Nagina". Anwar Husain played
a nice cameo role. Balraj Sahni was rather stilted, but
this should be attributed to the director Zia Sarhadi
who had very pronounced leftist leanings. All these
people have passed on, leaving their memories behind.
usko nahiN dekha...
The young lads singing this
song were (I think) Jairaj's son Dilip Raj and the noted
Marathi actor Kashinath Ghanekar. Dilip Raj's career
didn't take off and he was acting in some TV serials
back home sometime back. Kashinath succumbed to a
heart attack in a small town in Maharashtra some 15
years back.
phool gendwa na maaro
traditional Bhairavi bandish composed as a mirthful
song. The latter part of the lyrics are quite
appropriate even when the snake appears. Many such
"trivialized" songs sung by Manna De were in Bhairavi
like "banao batiyaaN hato kahe ko jhooti" from
"Manzil" and "Albeli naar, preetam dware.." from
"Main Shaadi Karne Chala". I think Mumtaz made her
earliest appearance in this last-named film released
in 1963. She was hardly noticed.
In conclusion, I quite enjoyed simply going through the
quiz, the QM's quaint way of providing the clues and his
Hyderabadi hindi. I missed the Geeta Roy songs from
"Coffee House", probably because one had already been
included in the earlier Geeta Roy quiz. And also the
"Madhu" song "Dhaani chunar meri haaye re, jaane kahaaN
uDi jaye re".
Harish>>>> Thanks Afzal Saab. Wonderful comments..
Kalyan-Ikram
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Kalyan: The coverage and distribution of the songs was good. Nice to
see sufficient coverage of Talat, Mukesh etc but singers
like Rajkumari (no song), Suman, Asha should have gotten more coverage.
Also instead of repeating songs from Barsaat ki raat and
Shisham you could have picked up songs from Rangeen raatein,
Mashuqa etc.
Harish>>>> Thanks Kalyan.BkR for popularity purposes. But should
have fitted Raj Kumari
some how from Baware Nain. Sorry.
Main dil hoon ek armaan bhara, Anhonee
Kalyan: Nice song with a great prelude. And I don't think
piano was rare in the early 50's. Refer to the ongoing
chitrahaar.
Tum agar mujhe na chahogi, dil hi to hai
Kalyan: Hope you had a good participation in the quiz, else you'll
have a problem with lots of people :) This clue is what motivated
me to send in my entry :)
Harish>>>> I am delighted to hear such good words. Thanks.
Man re tu kaahe na, Chitralekha
Kalyan: I hate the (rustic) way Rafi says "Kaahe" :( It ruins the
melody.
Duniya kare sawaal, Bahu begum
Kalyan: I don't agree with your equating MM's music to instant coffee.
Harish>>>> That is to pronounce that MM's music is liked faster than
Roshan's type of music. No other meaning.
Salaame-hasrat qabool kar lo, Babar
Kalyan: People talk of Asha's lack of opportunities but I feel SudhaM is
the one who got so few opportunities (compared to Asha's 10,000+ songs)
despite her amazing talent. She has impressed me with her versatility
and every song of hers that I come across is a pleasant discovery.
Kahe tarsaaye, Chitralekha
Kalyan: This song was oroginally composed for a movie Lata was producing
and she had picked Roshan to be the MD. Somehow the movie got cancelled
and Roshan reused the tune for Chitralekha.
Mat ched zindagi ke .... dil-e-beqarar soja, Raag rang
Kalyan: Lovely song from a lovely soundtrack. But why did you
give it away?
Harish>>>> I really thought that it is very tough song.
raat ki mehfil sooni sooni, Noorjehan
Kalyan: You should have picked a Suman song instead from this
film. There are too many Lata songs in the quiz already.
dil ho gaya shanty flat, Shisham
Kalyan: An ordinary song. Would have preferred a Rajkumari song
instead. KK's o/p with Roshan is anyways meagre.
Harish>>>> KK being main stream singer caught my attention to
be covered.
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> We had the time of our lives going through the songs. However, we have
> some sore points: there is too much of Mukesh; we badly missed some
> great Lata numbers ("sakhii rii meraa", "ai ri jaane na doo.ngi", "chhun
> chhun chhun baaje paayal morii", "aeri aali piyaa bina", "saarii saarii
> raat terii yaad sataaye", "vikal moraa manwaa", "rehte the kabhii",
> "rahe.n na rahe.n hum", "mahalo.n kaa raajaa milaa" ......... where do
> we stop?);
This is a very good point. There is so much talk about lata/mm, lata/cr,
lata/naushad combination and there has really never been much discussion
about lata/roshan songs. I will bet they are the best of the lot. In fact,
when I started LATAanjali, I thought I would concentrate on lata/cr songs,
but for a good reason I have posted more lata/roshan songs. I will try and
compile a list of lata/roshan songs to start a discussion.
> As for the repertoire, I was looking for a bhajan by Roshan in the CDs
> available
> here. I could not find it. Only recently, I have seen one in Latanjali
> series by
> Anil Hingorani. Other than that I am happy to have included all other
> types
> of songs by Roshan I guess.
>
I was sorry that 'rangeen raaten' was not included. But, surely 'aye ri main
to prem diwani' would have worked just fine as a bhajan.
>
> >> In the early 50's, Roshan has used KK quite a bit. Shisham, Aaghosh,
> >> Maalkin(wherein KK has 4 out of the 5 male songs)
>
There was just one KK duet in both 'shisham' and 'aagosh' - so I am not
sure if 'quite a bit' applies here. 'aagosh' also has a lata/hemant duet.
Talking about 'aagosh', this is another great soundtrack from Roshan. It
has three stunning Lata solos and three very good duets.
The solos are:
mohabbat ek shola hai...bacha daman zamane
o aasman ke baasi
kisiki aankh ke taare hain sitare (I think)
The duets are:
main hoon chanda tu hai chakor (or something similiar) with KK
nadi nadi mein paani chhada hai (or something:-)) with Hemant
a Radha/Krishna song with Sudha Malhotra.
Sorry about not remembering the exact mukhda's. It's been a while since I
have heard these songs. The last one with Sudha M. is really very good and
reminds me of another Radha/Krishna duet that these two singers sang for
S. Mohinder's 'naata'. They sound real good together.
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> The classical bandish was used in
> one of his early films also :Garjat barsat bheegat aayi lo
> (IIRC) but it was rather brief. Despite the beauty of the
> BkR song, I have always thought it was sort of wasted in the
> film as it is played in the background when the credit
> titles are being displayed. The viewers' attention is
> thereby diverted, preventing full enjoyment of the song.
The 'early film' is Malhaar and in that too it is played in
the backgroud when titles are being displayed... A wonderful
song, much better than the Barsaat Ki Raat rendition.
> salaame hasrat..
> Sudha Malhotra did not
> quite get the recognition due to her. Another instance
> of the "monopoly" at work perhaps ?
Sudha Malhotra got married to a prosperous and rich man
and didnt want to actively pursue film career so much after
that, is what Mr. Nalin Shah (film journalist) had to say.
Your speculation gives more credit to his statement that at
anytime people start rumours and make the Mangeshkars the
scapegoats for any artiste's failure or uncontinued career.
They may have been responsible for a couple but not all!!!
I wish Sudha Malhotra had continued singing and if not
singing, she could have composed. If her one song in DIDI
is anything to go by, we all have been deprived of many gems....
> Salaame-hasrat qabool kar lo, Babar
> Kalyan: People talk of Asha's lack of opportunities but I feel SudhaM is
> the one who got so few opportunities (compared to Asha's 10,000+ songs)
> despite her amazing talent. She has impressed me with her versatility
> and every song of hers that I come across is a pleasant discovery.
Kalyan, it was not lack of opportunities, more personal choice,
from what I hear. I 'ditto' your comments on her singing/songs.
She has some in Gujarati too!
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Snehal B. Oza
>Has Roshan used HemantK a lot?
> Harish>>>> Does'nt look like so from what I have. If anyone else
> knows, please pass the info.
I remember only three occasions: Aagosh (1953): 'Mil Jhul Ke Kaaato Garibi Ke
Phande'; Heera Moti (1959): 'Naach Re Mere Dharati Ke'; Mamata (1963): 'Chupa
Lo Yun Dil Me'. All are duets. First two have chorus too.
>satish kalra
>============
>Iss paanch man ke..dil ho gaya shanti falaitiya re ..rabba khair..
>KK singing for Roshan - rarity maybe, but not that rare also. Remember the
>famous KK/Meena Kapoor duet from Maashooqa - yeh samaan hum tum jawaan pehloo
>se dil saraq jaaye....
Not so, anymore. Today it's an obscure one. But a swinging one, no doubt.
>afzal khan
>===========
> salaame hasrat..
> Sudha Malhotra did not
> quite get the recognition due to her. Another instance
> of the "monopoly" at work perhaps ?
May be. Her score with Ghulam Mohammad is worth a mention. 'Chanda Ki Reti Pe'
from Mirza Ghalib is known but not two great numbers from Gauhar (1953). One
that I remember immediately is 'Awaaz De Raha Hai Koi Aasmaan Se' can't recall
other. Then we have RK's Ab Dilli Door Nahi song under Dattaram. I have also
liked Sardar Mallik's 'Mera Jala Raat Bhar Diya' from Chamak Chaandani -- a mid
1950s film. Don't remember off-hand much of her songs now. She has some work
with Bulo C. Rani too.
Afzal bhai, your comments were rally engaging and a good read.
Thanks Harish for the quiz and the subsequent posts
Snehal
Anant Rege
ani...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <71nuna$dn6$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>hsuv...@adobe.com wrote:
>
>There was just one KK duet in both 'shisham' and 'aagosh' - so I am not
>sure if 'quite a bit' applies here. 'aagosh' also has a lata/hemant duet.
>Talking about 'aagosh', this is another great soundtrack from Roshan. It
>has three stunning Lata solos and three very good duets.
>The solos are:
>mohabbat ek shola hai...bacha daman zamane
>o aasman ke baasi
>kisiki aankh ke taare hain sitare (I think)
>The duets are:
>main hoon chanda tu hai chakor (or something similiar) with KK
>nadi nadi mein paani chhada hai (or something:-)) with Hemant
>a Radha/Krishna song with Sudha Malhotra.
>
>
Basuriya kahe bajayi, bin dekhe raha nahi jaye re.
Anant
>--
>Cheers,
>
>Anil P. Hingorani
>
ani...@my-dejanews.com
> >main hoon chanda tu hai chakor (or something similiar) with KK
> >nadi nadi mein paani chhada hai (or something:-)) with Hemant
> >a Radha/Krishna song with Sudha Malhotra.
> >
> >
>
> Basuriya kahe bajayi, bin dekhe raha nahi jaye re.
>
Thanks for reminding me, Anant. Actually the words go:
bansuriya kahe bajaye, bin sune raha nahi jaye re
meethi nazar kahe milaye, bin dekhe raha nahin jaye re
Now if you can remind me of that lata/sudha song from 'naata'....:-):-)
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Anant Rege
ani...@my-dejanews.com wrote in message <71qgea$tcq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <a_Y%1.86$5n1.1...@news.magma.ca>,
> "Anant Rege" <arege@"removethis"crgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>
>> >main hoon chanda tu hai chakor (or something similiar) with KK
>> >nadi nadi mein paani chhada hai (or something:-)) with Hemant
>> >a Radha/Krishna song with Sudha Malhotra.
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Basuriya kahe bajayi, bin dekhe raha nahi jaye re.
>>
>
>Thanks for reminding me, Anant. Actually the words go:
>
>bansuriya kahe bajaye, bin sune raha nahi jaye re
>meethi nazar kahe milaye, bin dekhe raha nahin jaye re
>
>Now if you can remind me of that lata/sudha song from 'naata'....:-):-)
>
Ghir ghir chhaye, masta ghataye door papiha bole - Lovely song. (Some how I
love all songs which contain a papiha.)
Papiha re, papiha re
Door papiha bola, raat adhi rah gayi
Cheers
Anant
>--
>Cheers,
>
>Anil P. Hingorani
>
ani...@my-dejanews.com
"Anant Rege" <arege@"removethis"crgroup.com> wrote:
>
> >Now if you can remind me of that lata/sudha song from 'naata'....:-):-)
> >
>
> Ghir ghir chhaye, masta ghataye door papiha bole - Lovely song. (Some how I
> love all songs which contain a papiha.)
>
Anant,
I am glad you mentioned this song. I had asked about the singer of this song
about a year ago, but never got any responses. Do you think/know this is
Sudha Malhotra? I really love this song, especially when she sings 'ooo
khaye hichkole ho oo'. Let me type the mukhda here:
ghir ghir chhaye, mast ghatayen
door papiha bole
ude chunariya rang birangi
gori ka man dole
oo khaye hichkole ho oo
BTW, this song is not a duet and hence not the Lata/Sudha duet I had asked
about:-)I am quite certain that one is a Radha/Krishana kind of song. I guess
it is time to go fishing into my cassette collection.
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>
>Ghir ghir chhaye, masta ghataye door papiha bole - Lovely song. (Some how I
>love all songs which contain a papiha.)
>
>Papiha re, papiha re
>Door papiha bola, raat adhi rah gayi
I think the second song is "Door papiha bulaaye, raat aadhi...".
A beautiful Suraiyya number.
And then we have the non-film Geeta melody that figured recently
in the Geeta Roy RJGK---> "Haule haule hawa dole". This also
contains a reference to the papiha. The reason for this bird to
figure in songs seems to be that its warbling sounds to our ears
like the words "Pi Kahaan ?, Pi Kahaan ?".
Afzal
>
>Cheers
>
>Anant
ar...@cyberus.ca
ani...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <Lvi02.137$5n1.1...@news.magma.ca>,
> >
> > Ghir ghir chhaye, masta ghataye door papiha bole - Lovely song. (Some how I
> > love all songs which contain a papiha.)
> >
>
>
> I am glad you mentioned this song. I had asked about the singer of this song
> about a year ago, but never got any responses. Do you think/know this is
> Sudha Malhotra? I really love this song, especially when she sings 'ooo
> khaye hichkole ho oo'. Let me type the mukhda here:
>
>
> about:-)I am quite certain that one is a Radha/Krishana kind of song. I guess
> it is time to go fishing into my cassette collection.
>
Anil,
If you continue questioning my singer (remember chandni chowk?) every time, I
will refuse to reply to your post in future. :-) Now seriously, I do not have
original sound track of 'Naata' which gives the singer's name nor I have a
Geet Kosh which I can refer. What I have is a small entry in my notebook, it
must be atleast 12 years old, with above song and pstats which read 'Naata,
S.Mohinder, Lata & Sudha Malhotra'. Obviously this is what I entered after I
heard the song, most probably on SLBC, as pstats given by the announcer.
Though I recall the tune vividly, I don't even remember whether it is a duet
or a solo. So when you mentioned a lata,Sudha duet from Naata, this song came
to my mind. Unfortunately I don't have the song on my cassettes so if you
have it, play it with the knowledge that the female singer COULD BE Sudha
Malhotra and judge yourself.
BTW, I remember another Radha/Kishen song by Roshan
'Brij ke Nandlala, Radha ke sawariyan' from Taksaal but it is a solo by Lata.
(no doubts)
Regards
Anant
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Anil P. Hingorani
>