A small tribute to Geeta Dutt on her death anniversary.
http://rituswanderlust.blogspot.com/2008/07/list-definitive-geeta-dutt.html
Making lists is an old habit with us RMIMers, this list proved to be a
fun exercise for me. The reason (cut paste from the main article on
the blog)
"For a music lover who has explored the jungle, climbed up every rare
tree and tasted the exotic fruits in a singer's repertoire, it is a
difficult and also rewarding exercise to step back, put the trees in
soft focus and and view the forest in it's entirety again. The choice
of ten celebrated songs that define the range of a singer and also
highlight those little nuances that we now know singer is capable has
been a far more a head scratching exercise than to simply pick a list
including rare songs"
I would welcome your lists too.
Cheers
Ritu
Great list. But nothing can be complete without the following:
1. Kaise koi jiye
2. Daaro re rang daaro re, phagun ke din aaye re
3. meri jaan mujhhe jaan na kaho
4. baant chalat nayi chunari rang daari.
5. piya aiso jiyaa mein..
6. babu o laala, hum tum ko kya bola (As inane as this song is, it has
a strange beauty spot that puts in my favourites list. Its from Dill
ka Thug, I think. Music by Ravi).
7. baalam se milan hogaa
8 bachpan ke din bhi kya din the
#6 in your list is actually,
o baabuu o laalaa, mausam dekho chala
http://thaxi.hsc.usc.edu/rmim/giitaayan/cisb/2178.isb
Vijay
And the tune is inspired by Andrews Sisters WWII classic Rum and Coca
Cola.
>
> Vijay
I think 10 is absolutely too short a number to compile such a
list. Many more ought to be added here. Songs that I feel
must be added are listed below :
KaNkar kaNkar se maiN poochhooN Shankar mira kahaaN hai (Har Har
Mahadev)
Mera sundar sapna beet gaya (Do Bhai)
GhooNghaT ke paT khol re tohe piya mileNge (Jogan)
KHayaaloN men kisi ke is tarah (Baawre Nain)
ChaaNd hai wuhi, sitaare haiN wuhi (Parineeta)
Dekho jaadu bhare more nain (Aasmaan)
Hai yeh duniya kaun si ai dil mujhe (Sailaab)
Aa jaan-e-wafa aa (Anarkali)
Ja, ja, ja, bewafaa (Aar Paar)
Neele, aasmaani (Mr. & Mrs. 55)
BaaNki adaayeN dekhna ji dekhna (Amaanat)
Ai dil mujhe bataa de, tu kis pe (Bhai Bhai)
Jaata khaaN hai diwaane (C.I.D)
Maane na, maane na, maane na, tore bin (Savera)
Aaja chhaye kaare badra, chham chaam (Lajwanti)
The list still seems incomplete. But, for the time being, it
will do.
Afzal
>
> I think 10 is absolutely too short a number to compile such a
> list. Many more ought to be added here. Songs that I feel
> must be added are listed below :
Thanks for the inputs everybody. It is true that there are a lot many
memorablle songs that are not in this list. But remember, the purpose
of this list is to look at her well-known and celebrated output and
keep off the lesser heard songs. (I had made another list from her
rare song output, which I will dig up and post soon). This list is
trying to capture all the facets of the singer purely based upon that
portion of her output which was successful, celebrated and has
survived the passage of time.
I think it is a very interesting exercise for RMIMers to analyse and
pick a list that excludes rare songs. It is a sort of reverse
engineering of our brains. Think of it this way, you have to define
Geeta Dutt for the generic music lover, the kind who has not heard the
'Har Har Mahadev' and 'Parineeta' kind of songs. Which songs will you
then choose to define and present Geeta Dutt? And yes only 10. The fun
is when you have to choose one over the other :) So let see the list
then.
Cheers
Ritu
P.S The only thing I found missing in Geeta's famous output is a song
with classical leanings. Both 'Sakhi ri chit chor nahin aaye' and
'Baat chalat nayi chunri' are not as famous and I left them out.
Obviously the classical genre was not one with which she found
success.
>
> KaNkar kaNkar se maiN poochhooN Shankar mira kahaaN hai (Har Har
> Mahadev)
>
> Mera sundar sapna beet gaya (Do Bhai)
>
> GhooNghaT ke paT khol re tohe piya mileNge (Jogan)
>
> KHayaaloN men kisi ke is tarah (Baawre Nain)
>
> ChaaNd hai wuhi, sitaare haiN wuhi (Parineeta)
>
> Dekho jaadu bhare more nain (Aasmaan)
>
> Hai yeh duniya kaun si ai dil mujhe (Sailaab)
>
> Aa jaan-e-wafa aa (Anarkali)
>
> Ja, ja, ja, bewafaa (Aar Paar)
>
> Neele, aasmaani (Mr. & Mrs. 55)
>
> BaaNki adaayeN dekhna ji dekhna (Amaanat)
>
> Ai dil mujhe bataa de, tu kis pe (Bhai Bhai)
>
> Jaata khaaN hai diwaane (C.I.D)
>
> Maane na, maane na, maane na, tore bin (Savera)
>
> Aaja chhaye kaare badra, chham chaam (Lajwanti)
>
> The list still seems incomplete. But, for the time being, it
> will do.
>
> Afzal- Hide quoted text -
Well, one subjective issue here is which songs are 'famous' ? Anyway,
I think your list is almost perfect. From my perspective, I'll only
exchange # 4 in your list, a.Nkhiyaa.N bhuul gayii hai.n, with -
#4) meraa su.ndar sapana biit gayaa from Bhai Bhai (1947).
The pretext is that I do not find above song 'famous' compared to
others in your list as well as some other songs that were left out.
So no unexpectedly, I 'had some real fun', as per your definition :)
to leave out these -
1. huu.N abhii mai.n javaa.N
2. Ye lo mai.n haarii piyaa, both from Aar Paar (1954)
3. ghuu.Nghat ke pat khol from Jogan (1950) .... you write about Geeta
being Meerabai avtaar ;)
cheers
Saket
oops, the film is 'Do Bhai' (1947).
- S
That was a nice list. Thanks for mentioning some of these songs.
Another interesting exercise would be to list the very best of Geeta
Dutt's Bengali output.
OK, lesson learnt, in an RMIM discussion one cannot escape the rare
songs :).
Here is my list of rare Geeta Dutt songs from the archives.
1. Hamen Chod Piya Kis Des Gaye
2. Tumhe saajan manaaye tum rooth jaana
3. Chanda Khele Aankh Micholi
4. Mein toh Girdhar ke ghar jaun
5. Daro re rang daro re :
6. Kisne Chedhe Taar
7. Phoolwa Band Mehke
8. Baat Chalat Nayi
9. Jamuna ke teer kanha
10. Rangili Chabili Rani Nindiya (Ferry, Hemant Kumar) :
11. Ankhiyan bhool gayin hain sona
12. Aaj nahin to kal
For now I am posting the list here. I will need to reduce it to 10,
revise it keeping in mind that one wants to profile Geeta Dutt through
her lesser known output. I would also need to find the links to the
songs and then put it up on the blog. Does anyone know how one can
upload mp3s in blogspot? Or is there some other hosting site on which
I can put the songs and link to them permanently? (Prof Saab?) Most
sites delete your songs after a while. I know that most of these
songs are not going to be up there on YouTube and there is no point
putting up a list of rare songs and promoting them with all the
flowery superlatives if people cannot hear them!
P.S I have added some new pictures from my collection to the article
now.
http://rituswanderlust.blogspot.com/2008/07/list-definitive-geeta-dutt.html
Famous, from my perspective are the songs that I heard on AIR, the
ones that make their way to Golden collections, typically the single
CD/cassette types. Basically songs that have got a lot of air-time
over the years. So this excludes songs that were extremely popular in
their times e.g 'Oh baby(with Hemantda) but subsequently faded out
from popular memory.
> I think your list is almost perfect. From my perspective, I'll only
> exchange # 4 in your list, a.Nkhiyaa.N bhuul gayii hai.n, with -
>
> #4) meraa su.ndar sapana biit gayaa from Bhai Bhai (1947).
>
> The pretext is that I do not find above song 'famous' compared to
> others in your list as well as some other songs that were left out.
# 4 was there to represent the female-female duet genre as well as
highlight her delightful hold over extrovertish songs. So you have to
make a choice from that pool :). Akhiyan bhool gayin hai sona was a
very popular song on AIR. I have known it since eternity. But then,
maybe you are right. If one had to sacrifice that for another female-
female duet it might be 'Bachpan ke din' or 'Jaanu Jaanu ri'. I think
the former is more popular but the latter is naughtier. What say?
FWIW, I had started my list with 'Mera Sundar Sapna Beet Gaya', it is
a wonderful song, but in a list of 10 the only value it adds is that
it is her first song. It does not highlight any facet of her singing.
>
> So no unexpectedly, I 'had some real fun', as per your definition :)
> to leave out these -
>
> 1. huu.N abhii mai.n javaa.N
>
> 2. Ye lo mai.n haarii piyaa, both from Aar Paar (1954)
- #2 was high on my list. I too had a lot of fun leaving it out :). I
had almost sacrificed 'Waqt ne kiya' for one of these songs, but then
I felt being one of her most celebrated songs, it could be left out.
>
> 3. ghuu.Nghat ke pat khol from Jogan (1950) .... you write about Geeta
> being Meerabai avtaar ;)
This is actually Kabir not Meera :)
On Meera, I like 'Mein to Giridhar ke ghar jaun' more. Geeta's voice
in Jogan is wonderful. Yet, these are not as popular songs. Also, in
the bhajan genre I wanted to highlight the trace of sensuality that
was unique to her. That is not so apparent in these bhajans. I feel in
spirit and singing, 'Aaj Sajan Mohe Ang' is more of a Meera Bhajan
than the actual Meera Bhajans she sang. I would have loved to have
heard 'Kunjan ban chhadi hai madhav' in her voice.
Cheers
Ritu
With due respect, I would say that songs # 7,8 & 11 aren't really
rare. Perhaps, even # 4.
Also, I was wondering what do we actually mean when we compile a
list and give it a title like "The Definitive Geeta Dutt", parti-
cularly when we confine the list to just 10 songs ? Can ten songs
by themselves really "define" the magic that Geeta represented ?
I would think that there are two ways of really "justifying" the
title. One would be to expand the list --- maybe 20 or 25. The
second would be to introduce a little variety in the choice of
songs. Not all can be very rare. And not every single one can be
famous and oft-heard. Her ouevre under different MDs. And also
different actresses. A few sad songs. Some lively numbers. Even
a mujra. And of course bhajan/s.
Coming to my own list, I would explain the choices briefly :
1. "KaNkar kaNkar se..." : IIRC, it was filmed on Nirupa Roy,
though I could be wrong. It is not quite a bhajan, but the
passionate yearning of a true devotee comes forth in a most
evocative manner. A 1950 film. Music provided by Avinash
Vyas -- a Gujarati MD who we don't discuss here very often.
2. "GhooNghaT ke paT khol..." : Another 1950 film "Jogan".
Music by Bulo C. Rani. I don't quite know whether it is Kabir
or Meerabai. Minimal orchestration, the melody itself and the
memory of a pristine Nargis as the "jogan" makes this song an
unforgettable experience. It is not merely a bhajan, but a
fervent urge to the listener to do some introspection. Geeta
has done full justice to the sentiments of the song, even her
voice takes on a timbre exuding pious virtuosity.
3. "KHayaaloN men kisi ke..." : "Baawre Nain". Another 1950
movie. Filmed on Vijayalakshmi. Not a front rank leading
lady. A Roshan melody.
4. "ChaaNd hai wuhi..." : A comparatively obscure MD, Arun
Kumar. The film had an unmistakable Bengali milieu, with
neighbours mixing freely, lots of card playing, tea and
paan. And Geeta fits in that milieu beautifully. A
classic of its time (1953), and so is this song.
5. "Dekho jaadu bhare..." : O.P. Nayyar's first (?) film.
The master of beat and rhythm came up with a classic
classical number (Gaud SaaraNg ?) A 1952 film. I don't
quite remember the artiste on whom the song was filmed.
Maybe Shyama.
6. "Hai yeh duniya kaun si..." : A 1956 film "Sailaab", stg.
Geeta Bali. MD was Mukul Roy, brother of the late singer.
The song is permeated by a haunting quality.
7. "Aa, jaan-e-wafa aa..." : "Anarkali", released in 1953.
Filmed on Bina Roy. Music for this song was composed by
Basant Prakash, (brother of Khemchand). There is a playful
quality about the song, which steadily grows into an
anguished doubt (whether the "sipahi" running away would
pick up the courage to come back to her).
8. "Neele aasmaani..." : A 1955 film "Mr. & Mrs. '55".
Another evergreen composition by O.P. Nayyar. Filmed on
well-known dancer Cuckoo, who merely sings it on a mike,
in a club.
9. "BaaNki adaayeN..." : "Amaanat", a 1956 film. A very
unlikely combination of Bharat Bhushan and ChaaNd Usmaani.
Music by Salil Chaudhury. The film also had Asha Mathur
in the cast. One plays the piano, while the other sings
the song. A mood of effervescent joy is superbly conveyed
by a peerless Geeta.
10. "Ai dil mujhe..." : "Bhai Bhai" (1956). This is arguably one
of Geeta's most popular songs, and has been included in my
list for that reason. Madan Mohan's music and Shyama's dance.
Topped the Binaca annual list for that year.
11. "Jaata kahaaN hai..." : Composed for a film "C.I.D." (1956),
it was excluded from the final print. The seductive quality
of Geeta's singing is overpowering. O.P. Nayyar again.
12. "Maane na maane na..." : "Savera", a 1958 film, stg. Ashok
Kumar and Meena Kumar, but the song was filmed on Kammo.
Music was by Sailesh.
13. "Aaja chhaye kaare badra..." : "Lajwanti", a late 1958 film.
Music by the incomparable SDB. Filmed as a sort of stage
drama on Nargis and young children. A scintillating compo-
sition wwith a foot-tapping beat. There is an enchanting
"khanak" in Geeta's voice which is why it is still one of my
all-time favourite songs.
I think there is enough variety in my selections to satisfy one's
taste. But, mind you, I am not saying that this list is in any
way "superior" or anything of that sort. In Ritu-ji's posts, one
word caught my eye ---> "exercise". Maybe some of us can post
similar lists, giving the basis of selection and pertinent
reasons for choosing the songs.
Afzal
As far as the rare aspect goes, it might be a little subjective. Most
of the songs mentioned in the list have not got much play time though
admittedly some more than the others. I would agree to your
observation about #11 (though interestingly that one was picked out
for not being famous enough as well!). However, # 7,8 are both lesser
heard songs. I have introduced 'Phulwa Band' to so many music lovers.
They had not heard of it (not RMIMers though) and I myself had never
heard 'Baat chalat' till a couple of years back. I don't remember that
song from my AIR days.
>
> Also, I was wondering what do we actually mean when we compile a
> list and give it a title like "The Definitive Geeta Dutt", parti-
> cularly when we confine the list to just 10 songs ? Can ten songs
> by themselves really "define" the magic that Geeta represented ?
> I would think that there are two ways of really "justifying" the
> title. One would be to expand the list --- maybe 20 or 25. The
> second would be to introduce a little variety in the choice of
> songs. Not all can be very rare.
I agree with your point #2. However, let me dwell a little on my
criteria. For any entity we have a definition, a summary and an
elaboration/description. A definition is usually a complete
introduction to a subject in a few words and touches on the key areas.
A summary is a little longer and touches on some lesser known aspects
too and an elaboration delves into all facets.
So, when I go out to define or profile and artist, it has to be done
through the tool of just 10 songs. That is always the most difficult
thing. How to introduce Geeta Dutt with 10 songs. They should cover
the essence of Geeta Dutt. 20-25 songs for an artist like Geeta Dutt
would be a summary and not too far from elaboration. For an artist
like Lata or Asha, you could probably only profile them with 20-25
songs and would have to think of sub-divisions. But for smaller output
artists like Geeta Dutt, I think one can reasonably profile them in 10
songs.
The decision to use only popular songs was my own quirk. I just wanted
to step back and view the forest and the big trees as I mentioned. One
can certainly chose some lesser known songs to profile Geeta Dutt.
> Afzal- Hide quoted text -
Dear friends,
With Ritu's permission, I am venturing to list a dozen of my favourite
bengali songs of Geeta Dutt:
1. tumi binaa mor phaagun biphaley jaay
2. nishi-raat baanka chaand aakaashey
3. kawto gaan haaraalaam
4. ektu chaawa aar ektu paawa
5. ke daakey aamaay
6. sachimaata go
7. tumi je aamaar
8. aaynaa bawshaa churi-gulo
9. shundaro jaano naa ki tumi ke
10 jhiri jhiri chaitaali baataashey
11 aakaash jurey shwapno-maaya
12 kaancher churir chhawtaa
Her limited output in bengali is a real loss for us.
Regards-Archisman.
P.S. Afzal-saab, your list & the justifications were very interesting
& illuminating. The songs from Lajwanti & Amanat are two of my
favourites as well. Another less-heard song that I like very much is
the remarkable bhajan from Sangdil - 'darshan pyaasi aayi daasi jag-
mag deep jalaaye'.
Hello Ritu:
Going by your yardstick, let me relate this coincidence that happened
on Sunday,20th at my weekly sessions.
I was totally unaware of Geeta Dutt's Death Anniversary on 20th. A
longlast friend of mine and a NJ fan; had emailed me last week from
Baltimore of a desire to meet me on 20th at my sessions and he had
requested me to prepare a cassette of GEETA DUTT according to MY
CHOICE.
Since I was to meet this friend, Pradeep Bhagwat; after nearly 35
years; I set about rummaging my library for some really exciting
numbers of the GEETA ROY as well as the GEETA DUTT. As a cine music
researcher, I still believe that the 'GR' always SCORED over the
'GD'. I am sure many would'nt agree with me..for the simple reason
that most of RMIMers have little info about the GR except some well
known ones and some others. In fact, many are UNAWARE even NOW of the
FILM SONGS sung by her that have not been credited on record labels!
Finally I prepared a C-60 cassette of 18 numbers whih I thought would
be acceptable to my friend keeping in mind the overall view that the
songs ..whichever they be .should CLICK my friend's listening mind
with 'awe' !
Here is the list:
1) "Sawan Bhadon' - Taarey gin-gin ke.. (The GR voice is a treat to
hear !)
2) "Padmini" - Mere naina kajala bharey... ( The GR voice is haunting
under GH)
3) "Arab Ka Saudagar" - Mohabat ka nateeja.. ( A pathos filled GD
voice )
4) "Batohi" - Suno mere bhagwan... (yet another pleading GR solo
under S.K.Pal)
5) "Char Minar" - Mohabat jawan hai... ( a sizzling GD voice under
Sardul Kwatra)
6) "Teesri Galli" - Ek patanga.... ( a raunchy number of GD under
Chitragupta)
7) "Hum Safar" - Mat karo kisi sey pyar...( a masti-filled advice of
GD ! )
8) "Ab-E-Hayat" - Jhuk-jhuk jaaye...( a lustrous GD/chorus )
9) "Majboor" - Mera koi nahi.. (Gulam Hyder brings out the best out
of GR's voice)
10) "Ratna Deep" - Aaj ki raat...a super duet of GD/Talat under Robin
Chatterji)
11) "Taxi 555" - Koi chand koi tara...( a spicy duet of GD/Rafi)
12) "Toofan" - Mohabat ka nagma...( the usual GD spice)
13) "Bahu Beti" - Nazdeek na aana...( a masti-bhara GD/S.D.Batish
duet)
14) "Nagan" - Tere bina saajana... (a grief-stricken GR under
Harbanslal)
15) "Zevarat" - O sajan aaya..( What a fab voice of GR under Hansraj
Bahl !)
16) "Lal Dupatta" - Meethhi baatein sunaa ke... ( U must hear this GR
voice)
17) "Shuk Rambha" - Mere baalon mein...(GD under Manna Dey's
music..OMG !)
18) "Sapna" - Kaari koyaliya...(GD at her best under Shyam Babu
Phatak !)
This Pradeep,my friend was 'crazy' for this last one !
Ritu: If you are interested in these songs, I can tell Pradeep to make
for u a CD for your sake when he returns to Baltimore on 29th...but
only for YOU strictly!)
You can contact him directly at Baltimore)
Jay
23/7
> Hello Ritu:
> I set about rummaging my library for some really exciting
> numbers of the GEETA ROY as well as the GEETA DUTT. As a cine music
> researcher, I still believe that the 'GR' always SCORED over the
> 'GD'. I am sure many would'nt agree with me..
At least one person does agree with you -- Yours Truly.
In my posts (relating to her), I always refer to the late
singer as "Geeta Roy". I do believe that Guru Dutt
stymied her singing career and later betrayed her.
Afzal
> Jay
> 23/7
I am willing to drive the hour(and a half) to Baltimore to pick it up if need
be, if I can get a hold of some GR/GD songs. Your call.
Ketan
>Jay
>23/7
I agree too. The best of Geeta Dutt was when she was GR. Though it is
also true that her most celebrated output is from her husband's films.
I guess that is also largely due to the fact that a lot of her Geeta
Roy output was not for film-makers of the calibre of her husband.
Jayramanji,
Thank you very very much for your offer. I certainly would love to
jump at it because GD is one of my favourite artists, I enjoy her
early output tremendously and I haven't heard any of those songs
before. Yet, I don't think I have done any thing to deserve being
singled out for this honour. Also, honestly I would find it very
difficult to take those songs from you and not share it with anyone.
Firstly because after a while I genuinely forget where a song in my
collection came from and secondly if someone asks for a song and I
have it, I find against my grain as a music lover to refuse to pass it
on (its a different story I don't end up passing on many songs out of
mere laziness to dig them out or host them). So, in principle I have
discovered it is better not to add anything to my collection that
comes with strings attached. I don't like to deal with messy
situations later on. Ofcourse I can assure you, given my lack of
interest and contacts with the collectors etc., nothing from my
collection will directly get to anyone except the normal internet
music lovers I interact with. But, if someone I give a song passes it
on elsewhere I am not responsible (and I genuinely don't care either).
So thanks again for your offer, I would love to take it up and I
really appreciate your gesture to expand my Geeta Dutt horizons. I can
also completely understand your concerns as a collector of wanting to
only pass on your cherished collection to people you deem fit. After
all you have spent time and effort to collect it unlike the internet
generation music lovers like me who have got it all so easily.
However, unfortunately, given my proclivities I think I will prove to
be an incapable reciever.
Warm Regards,
Ritu
P.S I should have probably replied on personal mail, but since you
made this offer on the newsgroup it makes snse that I also respond
here for sake of consistency.
> > Well, one subjective issue here is which songs are 'famous' ? Anyway,
>
> Famous, from my perspective are the songs that I heard on AIR, the
> ones that make their way to Golden collections, typically the single
> CD/cassette types. Basically songs that have got a lot of air-time
> over the years. So this excludes songs that were extremely popular in
> their times e.g 'Oh baby(with Hemantda) but subsequently faded out
> from popular memory.
>
> > I think your list is almost perfect. From my perspective, I'll only
> > exchange # 4 in your list, a.Nkhiyaa.N bhuul gayii hai.n, with -
>
> > #4) meraa su.ndar sapana biit gayaa from Bhai Bhai (1947).
>
> > The pretext is that I do not find above song 'famous' compared to
> > others in your list as well as some other songs that were left out.
>
> # 4 was there to represent the female-female duet genre as well as
> highlight her delightful hold over extrovertish songs. So you have to
> make a choice from that pool :). Akhiyan bhool gayin hai sona was a
> very popular song on AIR. I have known it since eternity. But then,
> maybe you are right. If one had to sacrifice that for another female-
> female duet it might be 'Bachpan ke din' or 'Jaanu Jaanu ri'. I think
> the former is more popular but the latter is naughtier. What say?
Absolutely & certainly but IMO bachpan ke din is better composition.
>
> FWIW, I had started my list with 'Mera Sundar Sapna Beet Gaya', it is
> a wonderful song, but in a list of 10 the only value it adds is that
> it is her first song. It does not highlight any facet of her singing.
>
>
Umm... facet of singing...that's too technical for me ;)
>
> > So not unexpectedly, I 'had some real fun', as per your definition :)
> > to leave out these -
>
> > 1. huu.N abhii mai.n javaa.N
>
> > 2. Ye lo mai.n haarii piyaa, both from Aar Paar (1954)
>
> - #2 was high on my list. I too had a lot of fun leaving it out :). I
> had almost sacrificed 'Waqt ne kiya' for one of these songs, but then
> I felt being one of her most celebrated songs, it could be left out.
>
>
That's right, waqt ne.. should be her most famous song by some
distance, no way leaving it out of 10
>
> > 3. ghuu.Nghat ke pat khol from Jogan (1950) .... you write about Geeta
> > being Meerabai avtaar ;)
>
> This is actually Kabir not Meera :)
Yeah i am a bit confused on this particular issue Kabir vs Meera
I have to second Ritu on this. I will drive to Baltimore, pick up the tape,
spend the time converting it to mp3 format and then send it to Prof Saab so that
he can put it up on his website(if he is ok with it) for others to enjoy.
Let me know your decision
Ketan
Ritu:
After posting that list, I felt I had missed from that list,one more
DUET of GR from the film: "Heer Ranjha" - Meri baat...... ( a really
nostalgic GR under Aziz Khan..repeat Aziz Khan.. in the male voice
also).
In all, there are 19 songs (and not 18)
This morning,24th; I rang up Pradeep at Dadar and told him accordingly
to make a copy of the GR / GD -CD and give the same to RITU (With
Complements from BCSP) if she calls you up at Baltimore from New
Jersey .
Pradeep now tells me that his departure for Baltimore is now postponed
to 12th August due to some unfinished work of his at Mumbai.
If you can email me separately at sjh...@yahoo.com, I can provide you
his mobile number of Baltimore.
------------------------------------------------------
This C-60 cassette from which you will be receiving a CD from Pradeep
Bhagwat is ONLY meant for you/RITU. You initiated the topic. I found
it interesting..and thought it IDEAL to 'kindle the light of
knowledge' begining with RITU.
The CD is meant for you only. PLEASE PRESERVE ITS SANCTITY.
You ..repeat YOU, have to enjoy it thoroughly first and get theor
transfer MIND saturated with your favourite singing voice. If at all
others are interested thy can come and LISTEN at your place or vice
versa,you can play the CD during special get-together sessions. No re-
recording or transferring of the CD for re-ecording, please !
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Jay
24/7
Dear Jay,
I live in Mumbai. Please let me know if I can get some of these Geeta
songs. I have maybe between 5 and 8 from this list, but would love to
get my hands on the others, if possible.
I too, prefer GR over GD. Even though 'waqt ne kiya' is considered her
best song by many - to me her earlier output was totally amazing and
much better.
I was listening to the special they had on her duets last Sunday [on
Radio Farishta] last night and discovered a couple of Geeta/Asha duets
that I had not heard before. One of them is from Jhonny Walker ad the
other I am not sure. Quite nice to hear the two ladies of O P Nayar
sounding so good together. For me, Geeta has always been the superior
singer of the two even though OPN just dumped her in Asha's favour. I
guess it was his loss.
I also got to hear a Geeta/Rafi duet from Dr. Shaitan that I had heard
before but had forgotten. Geeta/Rafi combination is one of my most
favourite duet combos. I just love everything they ever did together.
So, coming back to the request - please let me know what do I need to
do to get some of those Geeta songs from you.
Cheers,
Anil
> On Jul 23, 8:50 pm, Ritu <rituchandra0...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 23, 9:30 am, Jay <sjhh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> > Ritu: If you are interested in these songs, I can tell Pradeep to
>> > make for u a CD for your sake when he returns to Baltimore on
>> > 29th...but only for YOU strictly!)
>>
>> Jayramanji,
>>
Also, honestly I would find it very
>> difficult to take those songs from you and not share it with anyone.
>>
>
> The CD is meant for you only. PLEASE PRESERVE ITS SANCTITY.
> You ..repeat YOU, have to enjoy it thoroughly first and get theor
> transfer MIND saturated with your favourite singing voice. If at all
> others are interested thy can come and LISTEN at your place or vice
> versa,you can play the CD during special get-together sessions. No re-
> recording or transferring of the CD for re-ecording, please !
You mean like DRM restriction.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---------------------
>
> Jay
> 24/7
>
>
>
RMIM readers can compare Jay with MS and Ritu with Linux OS :-) :-(
Hello:
Tell me your full name and location
Geeta Roy & Geeta Dutt records in abundance in my library.
You are free to attend my weekly Sunday sesions on 27th inst at 1715
hrs sharp at my music room in Dombivli(W). You will return home
thrilled..trust me!
Listening sessions FREE for all . You will find me a magnificent host
unparalled !
Jay
24/7
I don't understand what you say, Sir.
Please tell me clearly. I don't mind anyone criticising me any
amount.
Whats DRM mean and what is MS...tell me please.
Jay
24/7
With due respect to all concerned, I am very doubtful if this
would be a workable proposition.
If Sri Jayaraman wishes the recipients (or would be recipients)
of his recordings to respect and follow his instructions in this
regard, he is well within his rights and others are morally bound
to do so. But is the latter part really feasible ? Such an audio
recording may remain in a recipient's custody indefinitely and he
(or she) may in due course forget about these restrictions.
Any subsequent proliferation of these recordings cannot be ruled
out, even if it comes about inadvertently.
This brings me to another point which I myself had broached some
time back ---> what is going to be the ultimate fate of this
musical treasure that is lying with Sri J. ? It is time that some
useful (and feasible) suggestions are forthcoming from RMIMers and
even Sri J. should ponder over this issue. Just my opinion.
Afzal
I don't quite see this the same way. If I give/sell something that is
*my intellectual property*, I may have both a legal right and a moral
right to dictate how it should be used by the recipient/buyer. If I
give away/sell *someone else's intellectual property*, or something
that is in the public domain (in IPR terms), then how can I presume to
restrict the recipient's use of it just because I happen to be the
medium through which they acquire it?
If I treat a song (over which I have no legal right) as "my" property
to the extent that I give/sell it to someone else, then the copy I
give to that person becomes equally "his/her" property, does it not?
Warm regards,
Abhay
Strange. Voluntarily gifting something and attaching 'strings'!
Regards
Sukesh
AFzaljee:
You, (I, Profjee, Ritu, etc,etc anywhere on this earth...as music
lovers EXIST in various ages and degrees of passion. This is
"indisputable" !
Secondly: each one of us (single or married..whatever !) are 'locked'
in "maaya ke brahm mein" within his/her day2day activities-n-problems
in various intensities..This too is "indisputable" !
Myself (Jay) ,running 68 now ...and to be very honest was as
passionate even 10,20,30,40 years ago like now. In 1968 , I was
nothing, hardly any knowledge of cine music although I used to listen
to Radio Ceylon now-n-then in our new bought radiogram for the joint
family. I never had any inkling of any collection as such, but a 'very
faint vision' of accumulating all these lovely songs in the form of 78
rpms. Here again, storage was a problem and the usual accusations in
the joint family. But I never bothered and carried on..slowly-n-
steadily enjoying whatever I had and looking for more in the old...
(observe the +passion in my system). I used to even gamble to make
quick money to quench this passion..I used to lose too many times,
plenty of money. Even then, never bothered.
Got married in 1976 and the scenario changed abruptly on the domestic
front. By nature, I am a Gandhian in principle while SHE, exactly 180
degrees out of phase.
I sensed this quality of hers and eventually had to be very diplomatic
and manipulate ways-n-means to protect my passion & at the same time
keep her cool and happy in every possibl;e manner. Yet , the devil in
her used to pinch,bite,hammer..and even more...but my passion ( or
call it LOVE) overruled with diplomacy. There was also a time when I
used to make lot of money by giving recordings of songs to interested
parties and even FREE OF COST to selected friends/musicians of the
yore and real music lovers), HEALTH, HAPPINESS,HARMONY thro 'MUSIC
always used to hypnotically transmitted through my MIND via these
songs to the recepient(s) concerned.On the other side of my real life,
the "daily tantrums apart from my office tantrums' was well taken care
by my diplomatic approach to them. ...Just make everyone HAPPY..even
to the extent of bribing them...just keep them happy and get the 'work
done' was the policy.
Retirement came in 2001. ,but the tantrums kept on increasing.. to the
extent on even breaking the 78rpms by her. This was the time I used to
"visualise": how am I goint to continue the rest of my life with this
woman who was relentless in her salvoes to this Gandhian philosophy!
How-n-When am I going to call my friends to to this small house to
enjoy the music ? When is my LOVE going to prevail over all this
negative attitude of life from her. I had even purchased another flat
closeby..a little bigger in area. The times were such that she
happened to be a diabetic patient for quite some years ago which was
lately diagonised since she was experiencing acute pain in her arms
and chores were getting difficult and my two boys had just completed
studies and in temporary jobs.
Look at this wonderful FATE. Everything was running smooth and we had
decided to step into the new flat on 26th Jan/2004 and convert the
existing one into a music room for my hobby.
But the spectre all the time haunting me was: how is this wqman going
to reconcile her ways at the new flat with good Gujju neighbours
around !. That was really bothering me day in-n-out. Problems even
with her PRESENCE as well as PROBLEMS ,if at all...without her..,
would be there for me. I was focussed on these thoughts. Everything
was smooth on 21st Jan/2004 till we retired to bed about 11pm. Just
past midnight , as I was just asleep, she pushed-n-prodded me
indicating that her chest was paining and finding difficult to
breathe and in a matter of a couple of minutes, she suffered a
massive heart attack... which she indicated and collapsed.
I became "mukt' from this spectre of life that was constantly
polluting my LOVE-n-passion. I accepted the situation / scenario
gracciously and thus carrying on for the last four years or so.
Many would ask me: so what:
More in next posting...
Jay
24/7
>> Jay wrote:
>>> If you can email me separately at sjhh...@yahoo.com, I can provide you
>>> his mobile number of Baltimore.
>>> ------------------------------------------------------
>>> This C-60 cassette from which you will be receiving a CD from Pradeep
>>> Bhagwat is ONLY meant for you/RITU. You initiated the topic. I found
>>> it interesting..and thought it IDEAL to 'kindle the light of
>>> knowledge' begining with RITU.
>>> The CD is meant for you only. PLEASE PRESERVE ITS SANCTITY.
>>> You ..repeat YOU, have to enjoy it thoroughly first and get theor
>>> transfer MIND saturated with your favourite singing voice. If at all
>>> others are interested thy can come and LISTEN at your place or vice
>>> versa,you can play the CD during special get-together sessions. No re-
>>> recording or transferring of the CD for re-ecording, please !
>>> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> Jay
>>> 24/7
>> With due respect to all concerned, I am very doubtful if this
>> would be a workable proposition.
>>
>> If Sri Jayaraman wishes the recipients (or would be recipients)
>> of his recordings to respect and follow his instructions in this
>> regard, he is well within his rights and others are morally bound
>> to do so.
>
> I don't quite see this the same way. If I give/sell something that is
> *my intellectual property*, I may have both a legal right and a moral
> right to dictate how it should be used by the recipient/buyer. If I
> give away/sell *someone else's intellectual property*, or something
> that is in the public domain (in IPR terms), then how can I presume to
> restrict the recipient's use of it just because I happen to be the
> medium through which they acquire it? If I treat a song as "my"
> property to the extent that I give/sell it to someone else, then the
> copy I give to that person becomes equally "his/her" property, does it
> not?
>
> Warm regards,
> Abhay
I don't think there is any element of "Sale" here. J. has not
asked for any money. Also, it isn't as if he is pushing this
stuff down the throat of others.
It seems that a close friend of J. (Pradeep Bhagwat ?) had
requested J. to prepare an audio cassette of Geeta Roy songs
for him. And J. agreed to do so. It is only through a coinci-
dence that J. saw this thread at the same time and, realizing
the passion of Ritu-ji for the late singer's memories and her
songs, sort of volunteered to have Bhagwat give Ritu a copy of
the said cassette.
The songs are "in the public domain" only in a technical sense.
If these were available at many places (with or without cost),
the present situation would not have arisen. It is their relative
(or perhaps 'absolute') rarity that makes J's collection something
unique and precious (in the sense of "priceless"). If he does not
want these songs to be made available to the public at large, it
is his choice. It is a sort of "take it or leave it" situation,
except that he has not laid down conditions as in a commercial
contract, but made a request to that effect. And he has no means
of "enforcing" that request.
If someone demands that J. should hand over all or some part of
his music collection and also clarifies that he has no intention
of respecting J's wishes against proliferation, it is up to J. to
refuse such a demand. If J. makes an offer (with 'strings'), it
is up to the other person to refuse that offer. I don't think
the issue of "intellectual property rights" enters into this.
Just my opinion.
Afzal
Hello Geeta Roy fans
I have read with interest the lists, and those from Ritu and Afzal
Khan pretty well cover her good songs.
I think that Geeta Roy possessed a very sweet voice and all her
Bhajans were excellent.
There rea 3 of her songs that I can listen again and again and one of
these has not been covered in the list given so far.
Jamuna ke teer kanha .... ( I do not know the meaning of word Teer).
Khayalown mein kisi kay is tarha .......
Preetam aan milo, dukhia jia ....
(This being the copy of the famous CH Atma song song, and in my
opinion, even better; perhaps I like women's voices better than
men's !). The song in a film which I have not seen and only heard the
sound track is not complete, and I have the impression that the full
song is not available or perhaps never recorded for some reason.
With regard to hits/famous and rare songs, I don't really care. It is
what song appeals to me that matters, and I think this is true for
mostl music lovers.
Sadly I do not speak or understand Bengali language, and perhaps her
best songs are in Bengali language. I have not heard these as I do
not have access to these.
Of what of I have heard from Saigal, Kanan, Pankaj and KC Day, I found
them to be as good or better than their Urdu/Hindi songs.
I have downloaded some Pankaj and Kanan Bengali songs from a web site
and put them on a CD. Several films of Pankaj were in Bengali and
Urdu/Hindi during the New Theatres era.
I think the Bengali language is a musical language, similar to Italian
in the West.
Regards
Ahmad
Afzal-saab, you have your opinion and I have mine. Just wanted to
clarify that I had said "give/sell" each time, not just sell. The
reason I added "sell" was that Mr Jayaraman did - and perhaps still
does - 'sell' copies of the songs he has. It is not my point that he
is trying to sell in this instance: I was only making the point that,
IMO, the situation did not change regardless of whether he was selling
the songs or just giving them away.
Warm regards,
Abhay
In this context teer stands for "banks" as in "the banks of
the river jamuna"
>
> Ahmad
>
Vijay
>> Abhay Phadnis wrote:
>>>> Jay wrote:
Shri Phadnis,
Though I do not wish to belabour the point, but still.......
I do respect your right to have a different opinion. Fortunately,
this is not a court case, where the legal process continues
inexorably till a single final verdict is reached, nullifying all
contrary opinions.
You coupled 'give' with "sell" each time --- but why add "sell" in
the first place ? What Sri J. might have done earlier is not quite
relevant here. We are concerned only with the present case,
where (as I pointed out) there is no element of "Sale". Why assume
something that is not in evidence ?
When somebody imposes a(n unfair) condition while pushing through a
sale, the normal reaction of people is one of repugnance. If you
include 'sell' also while describing the deal (even if it is done
inadvertently), it tends to portray J. in an unfavourable light.
And that is not fair to him.
As I pointed out earlier, this is a "take it or leave it" kind of
offer. And Ritu-ji has already expressed her reservations in this
regard. Even if it was a contract of sale, it had to have three
elements --- offer, acceptance and consideration. Also, there is
another legal angle involved, whereby the contract itself may be
valid, but the 'condition/s' (if any) may be deemed to be void.
It was in these circumstances that I emphasized that nobody was
talking about any monetary consideration here. One must give even
the devil his due.
Lastly, I am unable to agree that the "situation remains the same,
whether it was a sale or a gift".
Regards,
Afzal
Well-argued, Afzal-saab! While I still have reservations about putting
conditions on a gift, I agree with most of the points you make above.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Shaabash Afzalji...You said it !
Jay
26/7
Thanks for this. I had not come across this word before and presume
that it is a hindi word. I knew the other Teer, which did not fit
here.
Ahmad
Archieda, please don't say permission. It makes me feel like a khadi
clad, jhola carrying, stick wielding bespectacled auntyji :)
A fascinating list. I haven't heard all I think. Let me venture my
choices. I must add here that my introduction to Bengali music was
through Geeta Dutt's songs and I cherish them greatly.
So without further here we go.
1. Nishi Raat Banka Chaand
2. Jhanak Jhanak Kanak Kakun
3. Ami Shuniche tomar gaan
4. Tumi bina phagun
5. Krishna nagor theke ami
6. Aina boa churi lo go
7. Jaadu bhora oi banshi
8. Tomar asar path (This one I have been smitten for a while)
9 Tumi je amar
10. Ei shundar sharanali shandhya
>
> 1. tumi binaa mor phaagun biphaley jaay
> 2. nishi-raat baanka chaand aakaashey
> 3. kawto gaan haaraalaam
> 4. ektu chaawa aar ektu paawa
> 5. ke daakey aamaay
> 6. sachimaata go
> 7. tumi je aamaar
> 8. aaynaa bawshaa churi-gulo
> 9. shundaro jaano naa ki tumi ke
> 10 jhiri jhiri chaitaali baataashey
> 11 aakaash jurey shwapno-maaya
> 12 kaancher churir chhawtaa
>
> Her limited output in bengali is a real loss for us.
>
> Regards-Archisman.
>
> P.S. Afzal-saab, your list & the justifications were very interesting
> & illuminating. The songs from Lajwanti & Amanat are two of my
> favourites as well. Another less-heard song that I like very much is
> the remarkable bhajan from Sangdil - 'darshan pyaasi aayi daasi jag-
> mag deep jalaaye'.
A) Free mp3 (probably 16 or 32 kbps) downloads of Geeta Dutt's
songs.
http://madhugeeta.tripod.com/
B) Saregama (mail order)
http://www.saregama.com/Audio/ArtistDetails.aspx?q=Geeta%20Dutt&Language=1
They have a 12 CD set of Geeta Dutt's songs.
Also check if these sites have mail order system for India
C) Khazana
http://www.khazana.com/et/products/product_by_artist.asp?mscssid=7MFKF33USAEN9HE3RQ9CW0T9BN1S9M28&Country=India&Department=Music&Artist=Geeta%20Dutt&Sub_Dept=&sku=&List=
D) Hamara CD
http://www.hamaracd.com/hcdinternational/asp/vaGiftIdeas.asp?Giftid=G120
Regards
Sukesh
How macabre! More Stephen King (a la Shining) than Gandhi!!
Vijay
I would like to suggest the following songs :
1. koi chupke se aa ke - Film Anubhav
2. aa sapne tujhe bulaain aaja aa - Film Humdard
3. tu tu tu ghar aaja - Film Nishana
4. kaisi murli bajaee shyam ne - Film Nishana
Regards.
Irfan
1. Ba(n)shi bujhi sei sure (Sathihara 1961)
2. Krishnachura aagun tumi (Basic record)
3.Oi sur bhaura dur neelimay(Basic record)
4.Aay re,aay re chhute....Kati dhan(Basic record)
5.Kajal Kajal Kumkum(Basic Record)
6. Utho utho maa gauree (Basic record)
7.Brindabane shyam nai (Basic record)
Among the above, I love song No.3 beyond words could express.
The others have been well covered by Archi & Ritu.
And, yes, my friends of RMIM, we have equal proportion of Basic
records & Film songs of the Bengali Golden era (50's to 70's),whereas
proportion of non-film songs of Hindi Golden era (again the same 50's
to 70's) is very very small.
Regards,
Paddy.