Lajwanti - Nargis ?
seth...@yahoo.com
The music by SD Burman Dada was excellent , I particularly liked the
song ' kuch din pahle ek taal me '
Was this movie by Nargis before / after her marriage with Sunil Dutt ?
She was a superb actress .
Cawas Sethna
V S Rawat
As far as I know, she got married to Sunil Dutt during
Mother India, thus mother India got released after their
marriage.
After that she had taken sanyaas from films, but after
sometime her brother started making a movie and insisted
that she does it. So she conceded and that was the only
movie she did after their marriage. That was Raat Aur Din.
--
Rawat
seth...@yahoo.com
Nargis ; here it is regarding flower and not actress . I donot know
who penned it but very wisely said .
Hazaaron saal nargis apni benoori pe rothi hai
Badi mushkil se hota hai chaman me deedavar paida
There is a Parsi delicacy which goes by the name nargisi kofta . I
am sure you must
have heard about it .
Regards ,
Sethna
Afzal A. Khan
AFAIR, Sunil Dutt and Nargis got married towards the end of
April 1958. She had perhaps three films on hand at the time
which she completed after her marriage. One was "Lajwanti"
and another was "Ghar Sansaar". Right now I can't recollect
the third movie. "Raat Aur Din" might have been planned much
earlier, but was completed much later, and released a decade
after their marriage.
Another song from "Lajwanti" which I like a great deal is the
Geeta Roy number "Aaja chhaye kaare badra, chham chham barseN
nain kajra re....".
Afzal
V S Rawat
> Thanks Rawat-Ji . Talking of Nargis there is a famous urdu couplet on
> Nargis ; here it is regarding flower and not actress . I donot know
> who penned it but very wisely said .
>
> Hazaaron saal nargis apni benoori pe rothi hai
> Badi mushkil se hota hai chaman me deedavar paida
incidently, the above couplet was used in the closing scene
of Pakeezah, probably in the voice of Kamal Amrohi. That was
his poetic way of prompting the youth to follow the lead
given in the film, and give street dancers a life.
> There is a Parsi delicacy which goes by the name nargisi kofta . I
> am sure you must
> have heard about it .
When I will come to your place, include the above in menu. :) :)
>
> Regards ,
> Sethna
>
--
Rawat
Asif
The third movie was Adalat (1958) pairing her with Sunil Dutt. I also
read that Raat Aur Din was planned in late '50s, cannot recall exact
year.
Asif
Deepak
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> >> Right now I can't recollect the third movie. "Raat Aur Din" might have
been planned much earlier
>
> The third movie was Adalat (1958) pairing her with Sunil Dutt.
Adalat has Nargis, not Sunil Dutt however. I believe the lead male role in
Adalat was played by Pradeep Kumar
Deepak
UVR
> who penned it but very wisely said.
>
> Hazaaron saal nargis apni benoori pe rothi hai
> Badi mushkil se hota hai chaman me deedavar paida
This couplet is by 'Allama' Mohammed Iqbal.
> There is a Parsi delicacy which goes by the name nargisi kofta.
> I am sure you must have heard about it.
Sounds delicious.
-UVR.
Chetan Vinchhi
<seth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> It was a pleasure to watch Lajwanti starring Balraj Sahni and Nargis .
> The music by SD Burman Dada was excellent , I particularly liked the
> song ' kuch din pahle ek taal me '
Lajwanti is a showcase for the SDB-Asha tuning. Apart from the above,
it has ko_ii aayaa dha.Dakan kahatii hai, gaa mere man gaa, cha.ndaa
maamaa mere dwaare aanaa (w. Manna and chorus). All very nice songs
(well, some nicer than others :) ).
But my pick from the movie is the lorie cha.ndaa re chhupe rahanaa soye
merii mainaa. It is a nicely crafted song. Just the right pace and soft
orchestration. And in spite of teetering on the edge of overdoing things a
couple of times, Asha carries it off. By the way, the video version I had
watched had two versions. I don't recall whether they were identical.
C
Animesh Kumar
Hi Chetan:
I took agree that the lorie is the best part of Lajwanti. AFAIR, Jaidev
was SDB's assistant in the movie. The two versions of the lorie are
*different* -- the opening lines of antaraa are as follows:
phuul chamelii dhiire mahako jho.nkaa naa lag jaaye (happy version)
chaa.Nd bataa de maa.N kii mamataa chainaa kaise paaye (sad version)
Finally, "koii aayaa dhaDkan kahti hai" isn't from lajwanti. Is it?
Best regards,
Animesh
Chetan Vinchhi
"Animesh Kumar" <anime...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> The two versions of the lorie are
> *different* -- the opening lines of antaraa are as follows:
Thanks for the info. I need to go back listen to some of these songs.
> Finally, "koii aayaa dhaDkan kahti hai" isn't from lajwanti. Is it?
It is. See for example
http://www.panchamonline.com/gaane/search.asp?s=Laajwanti&browse=film
(got here from giitaayan).
C
Srinivas Ganti
Animesh Kumar wrote:
> I took agree that the lorie is the best part of Lajwanti. AFAIR, Jaidev
> was SDB's assistant in the movie. The two versions of the lorie are
> *different* -- the opening lines of antaraa are as follows:
>
> phuul chamelii dhiire mahako jho.nkaa naa lag jaaye (happy version)
>
> chaa.Nd bataa de maa.N kii mamataa chainaa kaise paaye (sad version)
>
Sad version has only one Antaraa. Nargis sings after she is seperated
from
her daughter and husband.
I consider Lajwanti to be Asha's all time best sundtrack in HFM.
seth...@yahoo.com
Yes Ghanti Saab , I find no song by Lata . It's strange
as Lata always playbacked for Nargis . I think the tunes were set for
Asha and she did sing very well .
Sethna
Abhay Jain
<seth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks Rawat-Ji . Talking of Nargis there is a famous urdu couplet on
> Nargis ; here it is regarding flower and not actress . I donot know
> who penned it but very wisely said .
>
> Hazaaron saal nargis apni benoori pe rothi hai
> Badi mushkil se hota hai chaman me deedavar paida
>
Announcers at All India Radio used these lines
after the death of Rajendra Prasad, Nehru, Shastri.
May be they used for other leaders too.
AJ
Animesh Kumar
You know what, based on Hum Dono's tunes and Asha's mellow performance
in the same --- I feel that it was Jaidev who got Asha in Lajwanti where
Lata would have been usually given voice for Nargis and pathos. I
wonder though, anyone has any idea/info?
Best
A
PS: Asha's performance in Hum Dono is ATB too, by that standard.
Animesh Kumar
Adding a bit to my own past --- Was Lajwanti during Lata-SDB rift?
Loony Tunes
<seth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Yes Ghanti Saab
Dear Shetnaji
Mr Srinivas Ganti spells his last name as "Ganti"
irfan
Yes, it was during the rift (1958-62) when Asha
perhaps sang some of her best solos and duets.
SD Burman also used Suman's voice quite effectively,
particularly in film Apna Hath Jagannath and Meri Surat
Teri Aankhain.
Regards,
Irfan
irfan
It was Asha who sang in AHJN. Suman
had some nice songs in Mian Biwi Raazi.
Irfan
Loony Tunes
"irfan" <kian...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Apna Hath Jagannath
In campus talk this has a completely different connotation.
lt
<sorry abt that>
Ashok
kian...@yahoo.com says...
mmmm No. 'Apna Hath Jagannath' has no song by Suman.
In 'Meri Surat Teri Aankhen', she has only one song,
albeit a delectable duet with Mukesh. Lata, however,
is featured prominently.
The soundtrack of SD Burman that showcases Suman
is 'Miya Bibi Razi'. She has two lovely solos there,
and the first is a masterpiece:
. khulii hai aa.Nkh magar, Khvaab hai vahii kaa vahii
. chho.Do, chho.Do more baiyaa.N saa.nvare
Although only for one song, I consider SDB's choice
of Suman for 'Meri Surat Teri Aankhen' significant,
becuase he did so when Lata was available. The
peculiarly appealing chemistry of Mukesh-Suman
that Surajit Bose used to talk about might be the
reason.
Ashok
seth...@yahoo.com
UVR wrote:
> seth...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Talking of Nargis there is a famous urdu couplet on Nargis;
> > here it is regarding flower and not actress. I donot know
> > who penned it but very wisely said.
> >
> > Hazaaron saal nargis apni benoori pe rothi hai
> > Badi mushkil se hota hai chaman me deedavar paida
>
> This couplet is by 'Allama' Mohammed Iqbal.
UVR Gaaru , Thanks . Can you correct this couplet
Ghar se nikla tanha magar
Saathi milte gaye qaafila badhta gaya .
Who wrote this couplet ? Pl. help
>
> > There is a Parsi delicacy which goes by the name nargisi kofta.
> > I am sure you must have heard about it.
>
> Sounds delicious.
Tastes also delicious .
Sethna
>
> -UVR.
seth...@yahoo.com
Faarsi on one of the ceilings of Red Fort .
I request you to kindly correct me the wording - The meaning is in
brackets .
Gar firdous barham dou zaminastu ,
Haminastu, haminastu, haminastu .
(If there is a heaven on earth , it is here , it is here , it is here)
Warm regards ,
Sethna
irfan
AFAIRC there is a ghazal by Shakeel Badayuni which
has a she'r :
mein akela hi chalaa tha jaanib-e-manzil magar
log sath aatey gaey karvaan banta gaya
Regards,
Irfan
UVR
>
> Can you correct this couplet
>
> Ghar se nikla tanha magar
> Saathi milte gaye qaafila badhta gaya .
>
> Who wrote this couplet ? Pl. help
Here's one that seems to closely match:
mai.n akelaa hii chalaa thaa jaanib-e-ma.nzil, magar
log saath aate gaye aur kaaravaa.N banataa gayaa
The poet is Majrooh Sultanpuri. Is this the one you were
looking for?
-UVR.
yeskay
It is used in a recent movie "Tango Charlie" in the same connotation.
Afzal A. Khan
Sethna Saheb,
I remember this couplet as :
(A)gar firdaus bar~roo-e-zameen~ast
Hameen~ast-o-hameen~ast-o-hameen~ast
Afzal
V S Rawat
that is written spelling, but is it pronouned
- as ganti (with a soft t, as in Lajwanti) or
- as ganTi (with a hard T, as in ghaNTii)
And, whether the ending "i" a long "ii"?
Just curious.
--
Rawat
V S Rawat
Incidently, this couplet was said probably by Shahjehan
after seeing the beauty of Kashmir.
I Hope, after seeing it at Laal Quila, people will not start
thinking that it is about Delhi.
--
Rawat
V S Rawat
> Here's one that seems to closely match:
>
> mai.n akelaa hii chalaa thaa jaanib-e-ma.nzil, magar
> log saath aate gaye aur kaaravaa.N banataa gayaa
>
> -UVR.
You indeed know several good couplets but it is obvious that
you have never learned anything from any of them.
For example, the above one. How beautifully it contrasts
with your ugly behaviour is calling people all sorts of
names and what not, just to give yourself a satisfaction
that your purposeless is great. You love to undermine other
people's efforts because recognising them would have made
you realise that you could never do anything of worth. You
are an arm chair thinker over a glass of beer. You don't
have perseverance to do anything. You will theorize and then
run away when it comes to hard work. Now you can understand
what aalasii/ lazy really implies.
That is how you have removed all people by barking and
biting, and why nobody is coming near you anymore. There is
a two man caravan in which you are travelling.
What a Bozo you and your kid disciple are.
It is time to post that ten year old apology again because
you still need to follow whatever moons you had promised in it.
--
(Hiding my name to prevent another attack of ugly expletives
from you and your kid disciple)
seth...@yahoo.com
Oh !! I am sorry . Pl forgive my mistake .
Sethna
seth...@yahoo.com
Cawas Sethna
UVR
*scoffs* Better luck next time.
-UVR.
Shalini Razdan
"Ashok" <adhareshwar@gNO_SPAMmail.com> wrote in message
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SDB also gave Suman the only female solo (na tum hamen jano) in 'Baat Ek
Raat Ki' even though Lata was available and features in the soundtrack as
well.
Shalini
> Ashok
>
>
Animesh Kumar
> On 7/15/05 7:45 PM India Time, _UVR_ wrote:
>
>> Here's one that seems to closely match:
>>
>> mai.n akelaa hii chalaa thaa jaanib-e-ma.nzil, magar
>> log saath aate gaye aur kaaravaa.N banataa gayaa
>>
>> -UVR.
>
>
> You indeed know several good couplets but it is obvious that you have
> never learned anything from any of them.
>
And when would u learn to not give useless suggestions and *incorrect*
corrections? Lesser than that -- when would you admit mistake in the
other thread.
<junk snipped>
V S Rawat
As you have not signed, may I know who you are and why are
you saying all that?
--
Rawat
seth...@yahoo.com
Can someone confirm .
Sethna
seth...@yahoo.com
was his title .
Ghanta = Bell , Shala = Hall .
His voice used to ring like a bell in an audience filled with music
lovers . Is that true ?
Ghanti is also for bell as in cycle ki ghanti . Is Ghanti then feminine
? just curious .
Cawas sethna
V S Rawat
ghanti, the word, is feminine.
In case of our fellow member of RMIM, ganti is his sirname,
so I don't think it is feminine or masculine.
>
> Cawas sethna
>
--
Rawat
UVR
> There seems to be confusion about the poet Shakeel Vs Majrooh .
> Can someone confirm .
It's by Majrooh. Confirmed.
-UVR.
UVR
> Ghanta Shala was a very famous singer I was told ,
He was a very famous music director as well.
> someone told me this was his title .
Your unnamed 'someone' was wrong. Ghantasala was not his
'title'. It was his surname (like, say, Sethna is yours).
If you meet this person, please do apprise him/her of the
error.
> Ghanta = Bell , Shala = Hall .
Wrong. See this old RMIM article for more details on what
the name actually is, how it is to be correctly pronounced,
and other sundry stuff:
http://tinyurl.com/clrbl
> His voice used to ring like a bell in an audience filled with music
> lovers . Is that true ?
I think only someone who has had the good fortune of hearing
Ghantasala sing live to "an audience filled with music lovers"
(without the voice being artificially modified by electronics
such as microphones and amplifiers) can say for sure.
> Ghanti is also for bell as in cycle ki ghanti . Is Ghanti then feminine
> ? just curious .
>
> Cawas sethna
The name is not 'Ghanti'. It is 'gaNTi' (retroflex N, T;
short i).
And now for a question of my own. What is "Cawas" --
what does it mean and how must it be pronounced?
Thanks,
-UVR.
seth...@yahoo.com
Thanks for your clarification UVR Saab . I will also enlighten
my friend who gave me this wrong info .
My name is pronounced as KAWAS and it means knowledge ,
hindi equivalent of GYAN .
As for Ghanti I already apologised for my error and if you like
I tender it once more . It was not my intention to offend our friend
RMIM'er Srinivas Ganti .
Warm regards ,
Cawas Sethna
seth...@yahoo.com
' in
some classical raag is one of her best and a favourite of miine .
BTW which raag is it and who composed this wonderful melody ?
It certainly doesn't look like Burman Dada 's .
Cawas Sethna
vsr...@gmail.com
What an idiot you are.
You must be having several references but
you would not mention any of them and except people
to accept BECAUSE YOU ARE SAYING IT.
That is fucking phoney.
-------
Dear Sethna Ji,
It is by Majrooh.
I have a recording of a program of Vividh Bharati in which
Majrooh himself recites this sher, alongwith other shers.
Majrooh cites that as an example of taraqqipasand shaayarii
which he said he had started to write, whereas Faiz is
considered as the one who had started it.
If you want to hear it, I can send that part of the clip to you.
-- Rawat
Ashok
u...@hotmail.com says...
>And now for a question of my own. What is "Cawas" --
>what does it mean and how must it be pronounced?
>
>Thanks,
>-UVR.
Good question, Raveendra. In particular, based on
what he writes, I have wondered if it rhymes
with "bakavaas".
Ashok
seth...@yahoo.com
Mr Ashok , can you Pl.let me know what Bakvaas did you
notice in my post ?
Cawas Sethna
Ashok
seth...@yahoo.com says...
>
> Mr Ashok , can you Pl.let me know what Bakvaas did you
>notice in my post ?
>Cawas Sethna
General answer:
One of your early posts--your second one, I think--on RMIM said:
>Vish and Paruchuri , Thanks for the excellent feedback .Wish there were
>more seriour music lovers like you on RMIM .
Keeping that in mind, look over your posts since then and see whether
you can say that you have lived up to your expecations of other RMIMers.
In particular:
You were corrected on your misspelling of Mr. Ganti's name. These
mistakes do happen and you apologized graciously. Then instead of
dropping the matter, you persist with that idiotic query about the
gender of "ghanti".
Ashok
seth...@yahoo.com
Ashok wrote:
> In article <1121610326....@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com>,
> seth...@yahoo.com says...
> >
>
> > Mr Ashok , can you Pl.let me know what Bakvaas did you
> >notice in my post ?
>
> >Cawas Sethna
>
> General answer:
>
> One of your early posts--your second one, I think--on RMIM said:
>
> >Vish and Paruchuri , Thanks for the excellent feedback .Wish there were
> >more seriour music lovers like you on RMIM .
Ashok , I donot know how long you have been on rmim , but just
compare all your posts with the posts of Vish , Paruchuri and many
other rmim'ers who are no longer participating whose articles are
archived .
Q- Do you consider your self fit in that class ? My answer is a big NO
.
Not mentioning your name in the list has probably annoyed you .
>
> Keeping that in mind, look over your posts since then and see whether
> you can say that you have lived up to your expecations of other RMIMers.
>
> In particular:
>
> You were corrected on your misspelling of Mr. Ganti's name. These
> mistakes do happen and you apologized graciously. Then instead of
> dropping the matter, you persist with that idiotic query about the
> gender of "ghanti".
Yes , it is human to err but I readily apologised as a
gentleman .
Q - How many rmim'ers do and did in the past ?
I had thanked every rmim'er who helped me in answering my queiries
,
like Afzal Khan Saheb , Rawat saab to name a few in my short stay on
rmim.
Do you agree and I request all rmim'ers to give their comments on my
posts so that I can improve .
Cawas Sethna .
>
>
> Ashok
Surjit Singh
Loony Tunes wrote:
> <seth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>> Yes Ghanti Saab
>
>
> Dear Shetnaji
LOL. How did everybody miss that :)
>
> Mr Srinivas Ganti spells his last name as "Ganti"
>
>
>
--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
Loony Tunes
Surjit Singh wrote:
> Loony Tunes wrote:
>
> > <seth...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:1121389740.5...@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >
> >
> >> Yes Ghanti Saab
> >
> >
> > Dear Shetnaji
>
> LOL. How did everybody miss that :)
I am sure everybody noticed that. :)
seth...@yahoo.com
Jaywant .
Baby Naaz played in the movie as a child artist . ( as d/o Nargis )
Sethna