mukesh for dev anand
Sujay
guys,
i watched "shair" on the week-end *ing dev anand, suraiyya, kamini
kaushal. music by great ghulam mohammad.
the songs are excellent. but the point is there is a duet
"yeh duniya hai yahan dil ka lagana kisko aata hai"
by lata and mukesh !!
is there any other film where mukesh sings for dev anand ?
there are 2 lata solos, 4 suraiyya solos and 2 more duets by lata-rafi
"do bichhde huve dil aapas men gaye mil
armaano ki nagari men huva aaj savera"
and shamshaad-rafi.
this is a must album.
good luck.
Anand Tiwari
In article , Sujay says...
>
>guys,
>i watched "shair" on the week-end *ing dev anand, suraiyya, kamini
>kaushal. music by great ghulam mohammad.
Sujay,
Where are u located? The "Shair" video is not available in Chicago.
How was the print?
>the songs are excellent. but the point is there is a duet
>"yeh duniya hai yahan dil ka lagana kisko aata hai"
>by lata and mukesh !!
>
>is there any other film where mukesh sings for dev anand ?
I think Vidya and Bambai ka babu are other notable examples of
"Mukesh for Dev" .
>
>there are 2 lata solos, 4 suraiyya solos and 2 more duets by lata-rafi
>"do bichhde huve dil aapas men gaye mil
>armaano ki nagari men huva aaj savera"
>
>and shamshaad-rafi.
>
>this is a must album.
Oh yes, but is it available?. I have some songs from "Shair" in the
"Vintage hits" golden collection, but is the soundtrack available by
itself on CD or tape. Any pointers to relevant info will be appreciated.
regards
Anand (a Dev Anand fan)
>
>good luck.
Hema
Anand Tiwari wrote:
> >is there any other film where mukesh sings for dev anand ?
>
> I think Vidya and Bambai ka babu are other notable examples of
> "Mukesh for Dev" .
IIRC, there was only one Mukesh song in Bambai ka Babu - "chal ri sajni"
and that too was a background song. BTW, I remember only one other song
from this movie "Deewana mastana hua dil", a very good duet by Rafi and
Asha. Can someone post other songs of this movie..I might end up buying
this tape for just these two above mentioned songs.
Hema.
SKalra902
>
>IIRC, there was only one Mukesh song in Bambai ka Babu - "chal ri sajni"
>and that too was a background song. BTW, I remember only one other song
>from this movie "Deewana mastana hua dil", a very good duet by Rafi and
>Asha. Can someone post other songs of this movie..I might end up buying
>this tape for just these two above mentioned songs.
>
>Hema.
Buy the Cd combo of Bombay Ka Babu/Baat ek Raat Ki instead.
:)))
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Anil Hingorani
Anand Tiwari wrote:
>
> >is there any other film where mukesh sings for dev anand ?
>
> I think Vidya and Bambai ka babu are other notable examples of
> "Mukesh for Dev" .
>
all sung by Rafi.
'shair', 'vidya' and 'aaraam' are the only possible movies, I can think
of, where Mukesh could have sung for Dev. Since I haven't seen any of
these films, I can't be absolutely sure.
Cheers,
--
ANIL P. HINGORANI
e-mail: hingora...@jpmorgan.com
anand_tiwari
In article , Anil says...
>
>Anand Tiwari wrote:
>>
>
>> >is there any other film where mukesh sings for dev anand ?
>>
>> I think Vidya and Bambai ka babu are other notable examples of
>> "Mukesh for Dev" .
>>
>
>Not 'bambai ka babu'. The songs lip-synced by Dev in that film were
>all sung by Rafi.
>
Anil,
I agree "Chal ri Sajni" is a background song from "Bambai ka Babu" but
since Mukesh has sung very few songs fro Dev Anand, i counted
it as a " Mukesh for Dev" song, though strictly it is not.
regards
Anand (a Nutan - Geeta Bali - Meena Kumari fan)
Sujay
Anand Tiwari wrote:
>
> In article , Sujay says...
> >
> >guys,
> >i watched "shair" on the week-end *ing dev anand, suraiyya, kamini
> >kaushal. music by great ghulam mohammad.
>
> Sujay,
>
> Where are u located? The "Shair" video is not available in Chicago.
> How was the print?
excellent compared to the other old b/w movies i saw.
>
> >the songs are excellent. but the point is there is a duet
> >"yeh duniya hai yahan dil ka lagana kisko aata hai"
> >by lata and mukesh !!
> >
>
> I think Vidya and Bambai ka babu are other notable examples of
> "Mukesh for Dev" .
>
> >
> >"do bichhde huve dil aapas men gaye mil
> >armaano ki nagari men huva aaj savera"
> >
> >and shamshaad-rafi.
> >
> >this is a must album.
>
> Oh yes, but is it available?. I have some songs from "Shair" in the
> "Vintage hits" golden collection, but is the soundtrack available by
> itself on CD or tape. Any pointers to relevant info will be appreciated.
>
> regards
> Anand (a Dev Anand fan)
>
> >
> >good luck.
last week-end i saw three ghulam mohammad movies.
here are they according to my rating (both movies & songs) :
* amber - raj kapoor, nargis
baby tanuja appeared as child nargis.
lyrics : shakeel badayuni
1 shama jali parwana aaya - lata, rafi
2 hum tum yeh bahaar - lata, rafi
3 dhum chakare alri ama - shamshaad, rafi
4 duniya men nahi koi yaar - lata, rafi
5 tootegi na pyar ki dor - lata
6 hum pyar tumheese karte hai - lata
7 dhum dhadkka - rafi, ??
8 mere sheesh mahal men aaya - shamshaad
* shair - dev anand, suraiyya, kamini kaushal
lyrics : shakeel badayuni
1 yeh duniya haii yahan dil ka lagana - lata, mukesh
2 do bichhde huve dil - lata, rafi
3 tu door hai aankhon se - lata
4 o more baalma - shamshaad, rafi
5 dil ki duniya ujad gayi - suraiyya
6 aaj koi hai aanewala - suraiyya
7 mohabbat par bahaar aati - lata
8 kay cheej hai mohabbat - suraiyya
9 humen tum bhool baithe ho - suraiyya
* do gunde - ajit, kumkum, raj kumar, jayashri gadkar
here raj kumar dies in the first hour. the main character is ajit.
it is one of those movies when ajit used to play hero.
lyrics : majrooh
1 main nashe men hoon - rafi
2 nadiya kinare phiru pyasi - lata
3 bhigi palke utha meri jaan - lata, rafi
4 kahan jate ho saiyya - asha
5 laharon men jhool ke - asha, rafi
6 kahi chalo ke din hai - asha, mahendra kapoor
7 kaise bijli chamak gayi - asha, rafi, ??
it was a great pleasure to watch these movies. i was frantically
looking for these movies and to my surprise i found them !!
and above all, ghulam mohammad is great !
good luck.
neha...@hotmail.com
On 2 Dec 1997 14:00:15 -0800, Anand Tiwari wrote:
> regards
> Anand (a Nutan - Geeta Bali - Meena Kumari fan)
Jayshree T, Padma Khanna, Kalpana Iyer and their likes.
Arent you the one who said their contribution to the films was
no lesser than of the ones you mention above.
Geez Anand, you have no strength in your own convictions.:))
Make up your mind as to who really are a fan of and then stick to it.
Warmest Regards,
Neha
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In article , neha...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>On 2 Dec 1997 14:00:15 -0800, Anand Tiwari wrote:
>> regards
>> Anand (a Nutan - Geeta Bali - Meena Kumari fan)
>
>And all this while I thot you were a fan of Helen, Bindu,
>Jayshree T, Padma Khanna, Kalpana Iyer and their likes.
Neha,
Looks like i have to do this explaining to u too when u very well know that
i am a fan of Nutan, Geeta Bali and Meena Kumari. All i was saying
in the Missing Elements (1) post was this: To survive, create a niche for
oneself as a vamp in the '40s and the '50s when society was not that
open, when people were more orthodox was very tough.
Helen, Sheila Ramani etc were the few ladies who gracefully did the
vamp roles in the '50s. Doing a vampish role does not mean that u do
not deserve the same respect as the lead heroines. As far as i know from
what i have read Helen has her own and rightful place in Hindi cinema.
Doing a vampish role does not mean that a person has a lesser moral
character than a lead role player. Doing a vampish role and a caberet
sequence does not make one a porn star or any such thing. Tell me
who could have done "O Haseena Zulfon waali" among Nutan, geeta bali
and Meena Kumari? everyone has his/her place and let it remain at that.
Trying to belittle a lady, an actress just because she was famous as
a vamp or as a cabaret dancer on screen is in extremely poor taste.
Being a fan of Meena Kumari does not mean that i have to hate Helen,
Cuckoo, Shelia Ramani. They are part of the cinema i like and enjoy,
the kind of cinema i grew up. I never said anything about Bindu, Kalpana
Iyer, Prema Narayan or Jayshree T. That is your addition. My comment
was specific to the B/W era.
I am not equating the acting skills of Nutan, Geeta Bali and Meena Kumari
with Helen, Sheila Ramani. They could have never done the roles
which have been made immortal by the 3 leading ladies mentioned
above On the other hand i cannot imagine Nutan, geeta bali and
Meena Kumari *dare* to do a "Jeene do aur jiyo".
>
>Arent you the one who said their contribution to the films was
>no lesser than of the ones you mention above.
Yes i reiterate that Helen, Sheila Ramani, Cuckoo have a large and
equal contribution to Hindi cinema. What do you want to say here? Are
they untouchables because of the roles they did on screen? There
was a time people used ot go see a film just because of Helen. Are u aware
of the obstacles which helen faced to become the Helen we know?
If "Taxi Driver" was a path breaking movie, it was because of the western
touch to it. If u take out "Jeene do aur jiyo" u take out the sting from the
film. In 'Jewel Thief" Helen's role is pivotal to the plot because it is at her
place that Dev first understands vaguely that "Amar" the character does
not exist.
I am sure u have watched B.R Chopra's "Gumraah". Take out Shashikala's
role from that film. What do you have left? Nothing. Just because Shashikala
was the vamp or the negative character in the film means that her contribution
is nopt equal to that of Mala Sinha (the heroine of the film). "Gumraah" is
still remembered for Ashok Kumar and Shashikala's performance.
Wonder what you think of that?
>
>Geez Anand, you have no strength in your own convictions.:))
No you know better :)
>Make up your mind as to who really are a fan of and then stick to it.
OK here is the answer
regards
Anand (a Dev Anand - Nutan - Geeta Bali - Meena Kumari - Shashikala - Helen
- Sheila Ramani - Motilal - Balraj Sahni - Sanjeev Kumar - Shammi Kapoor -
Johnny Walker - Rajendra Nath - Soumitra Chatterjee- Revathi- Suchitra Sen
Shobhana - Uttam Kumar - Sabitri Chatterjee - Chhabi Biswas - Pahari Sanyal -
Utpal Dutt - Tulsi Chakraborty - Mohan Lal - Rabi Ghosh, fan)
Got it?
anand_tiwari
In article , anand....@prairiecomm.com says...
>>Geez Anand, you have no strength in your own convictions.:))
>
>No you know better :)
^^^
It should read "now" instead of no. Sorry for the typos in the reply.
regards
anand
neha...@hotmail.com
In article <6645qu$q...@sdrn.zippo.com>,
anand....@prairiecomm.com(Anand Tiwari) wrote:
> Neha,
> Looks like i have to do this explaining to u too when u very well know that
> i am a fan of Nutan, Geeta Bali and Meena Kumari. All i was saying
that's because you go ahead and make profound statements:)
> in the Missing Elements (1) post was this: To survive, create a niche for
> oneself as a vamp in the '40s and the '50s when society was not that
> open, when people were more orthodox was very tough.
No one disagrees on that. Read the other post by AS. just because you do
something outrageous, does not mean you did something outstanding. And
please, the series didnt cover 40s and 50s alone...
> vamp roles in the '50s. Doing a vampish role does not mean that u do
> not deserve the same respect as the lead heroines. As far as i know from
We are not talking about respect here. We are talking of contributions to
films by these females and those by actresses like Waheeda, Meena, Nutan
etc.
> what i have read Helen has her own and rightful place in Hindi cinema.
So do Paresh Rawal and Shakti Kapoor you know and oh before i forget all
the other vamps covered in that series.
> Doing a vampish role does not mean that a person has a lesser moral
> character than a lead role player. Doing a vampish role and a caberet
Please dont bring in the characters of the actual actresses. We are not
talking whether they themselves were morally virtuous. Their personal
lives or morals or virtues are no one else's business but theirs.
> Trying to belittle a lady, an actress just because she was famous as
> a vamp or as a cabaret dancer on screen is in extremely poor taste.
But to equate them to great _actresses_ is not only ridiculous but
incredibly stupid..
> Being a fan of Meena Kumari does not mean that i have to hate Helen,
> Cuckoo, Shelia Ramani. They are part of the cinema i like and enjoy,
no it does not, nor do i say it was. I just said that in your previous
post you equated them to Helen and in your signature I could see only
Meena, Nutan and Geeta. You correctly forgot Shashikala and Helen. Or
maybe it was your subconscious:))
> Yes i reiterate that Helen, Sheila Ramani, Cuckoo have a large and
> equal contribution to Hindi cinema. What do you want to say here? Are
I would reiterate that your statement is ridiculous. large and equal!!:)
> they untouchables because of the roles they did on screen?
Oh please! spare me the melodrama!:)
> There was a time people used ot go see a film just because of Helen.
oh really! Not only do I not believe it, I believe you made it up:)
> Are u aware of the obstacles which helen faced to become the Helen we >know?
That does not make any impact on her contribution to hindi films. As a
film watcher, I do not care for what they went through to become what
they are, all i care for is the end product and having seen them in way
too many movies with only a cabaret or two does not make me appreciate
them as much as I do actresses who have have a proper role in a movie and
enact it well. I appreciate Lila Misra, lalita pawar, dina pathak, Om
Prakash, Bina, Mukri, Kesto Mukherjee...who were never the stars, but
whatever they role they played, they were good.
The problem i have is that they were there for a dance or two which were
there only for the frustrated masses. They might a good and important
role in a film or two. Let's keep Shashikala out of this..and even Shiela
Ramani. Shashikala has more good character roles than she does vampish
roles and I remember Shiela Ramani as a very graceful dancer. What I
disliked in the vamps i wrote about was their cabaret. When/If they act
well, they can be appreciated...but it was very rare...
Do you see Waheeda in CID doing any vulgar dances? or Geeta Bali in Baazi
doing any vulgar dances?(leave alone dances, wearing skimpy clothes too?)
Helen is not remembered for her acting and neither is Bindu.
Anand, it is good to be a fan not a fanatic...
Anyways, this discussion is going out of the charter of RMIM.
-- Neha ps: thanks for your list of people you are a fan of, I just asked
you to decide and stick to it, not broadcast it:)
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> anand....@prairiecomm.com(Anand Tiwari) wrote:
>
>> Neha,
>> Looks like i have to do this explaining to u too when u very well know that
>> i am a fan of Nutan, Geeta Bali and Meena Kumari. All i was saying
Neha,
>
>that's because you go ahead and make profound statements:)
May be we do not agree on the definition of "profoundity". (No smileys).
>
>> in the Missing Elements (1) post was this: To survive, create a niche for
>> oneself as a vamp in the '40s and the '50s when society was not that
>> open, when people were more orthodox was very tough.
>
>No one disagrees on that. Read the other post by AS. just because you do
>something outrageous, does not mean you did something outstanding. And
>please, the series didnt cover 40s and 50s alone...
Do not extrapolate *my* statements. I talked only about certain
actresses not an era or a series. It is another matter that the topic sprung
out from the *missing element* series. I have much more to say on your
quoting another post on this regard but for now this suffices.
>
>> vamp roles in the '50s. Doing a vampish role does not mean that u do
>> not deserve the same respect as the lead heroines. As far as i know from
>
>We are not talking about respect here. We are talking of contributions to
>films by these females and those by actresses like Waheeda, Meena, Nutan
>etc.
* I personally * feel that Helen's contribution to Hindi cinema is as important
as any leading actress of the '50s. I am prepared to argue on this point on
RAMLI or thru email or at the next RMIM/RAMLI meet.
I am not making anything up. A few years ago FilmFare conducted a series
on the '60s. People who were young in that era pretty much agreed that
Shammi Kapoor and Helen were the two biggest reason's for their deciding
to watch or rewatch a movie. This issue can be easily traced.
>
>> what i have read Helen has her own and rightful place in Hindi cinema.
>
>So do Paresh Rawal and Shakti Kapoor you know and oh before i forget all
>the other vamps covered in that series.
Yes Pran is equally important as an actor to me as Dilip, Dev or Raj.
>
>> Doing a vampish role does not mean that a person has a lesser moral
>> character than a lead role player. Doing a vampish role and a caberet
>
>Please dont bring in the characters of the actual actresses. We are not
>talking whether they themselves were morally virtuous. Their personal
>lives or morals or virtues are no one else's business but theirs.
Yet you do not feel the pinch anytime to run them down. Sheila Ramani
is a good dancer to you and Helen is filth (or its equivalent). Tell u what
Sheila Ramani did not expose in Taxi Driver because it was not the culture
of the '50s. It was a Chetan Anand film. That makes a difference. Sheila
Ramani was not there in the '70s when Helen did those cabaret numbers.
What about Aruna Irani? She did not start her career as a *cabaret dancer*
but in Love Story (1981) she does a "Kya Gazab karte ho ji". Isn't she
the same person? The only difference is that times have changed, moral
values have changed and so has tolerance level.
Nobody knows what kind of treatment the great actresses of yesteryears
(whom i respect) would receive had they acted today. Can u or anybody
answer this question with accuracy?
>
>> Trying to belittle a lady, an actress just because she was famous as
>> a vamp or as a cabaret dancer on screen is in extremely poor taste.
>
>But to equate them to great _actresses_ is not only ridiculous but
>incredibly stupid..
If u find my statements stupid it is fine. I write what i believe in. For me
"Howrah Bridge" is incomplete without Helen's "Mera naam chin chin choo"
though it has "Aaiye Meherbaan" and so is "Teesri Manzil" and so
are many more films. What is Nasir Husain's "Caravan" without Aruna Irani's
performance and it had a pretty indecent number "Dilbar dil se pyaare".
I personally would like a picturization on the lines of "Jeene do aur jiyo"
but i am not the only one who sees movies.
>
>> Being a fan of Meena Kumari does not mean that i have to hate Helen,
>> Cuckoo, Shelia Ramani. They are part of the cinema i like and enjoy,
>
>no it does not, nor do i say it was. I just said that in your previous
>post you equated them to Helen and in your signature I could see only
>Meena, Nutan and Geeta. You correctly forgot Shashikala and Helen. Or
>maybe it was your subconscious:))
No it was not.
>
>> Yes i reiterate that Helen, Sheila Ramani, Cuckoo have a large and
>> equal contribution to Hindi cinema. What do you want to say here? Are
>
>I would reiterate that your statement is ridiculous. large and equal!!:)
Fine i got your point. I want to say that your understanding of popular Hindi
cinema is pretty myopic. :) (my opinion of course)
>
>
>> There was a time people used ot go see a film just because of Helen.
>
>oh really! Not only do I not believe it, I believe you made it up:)
I shall show u the issue of filmFare from where i got that quote since i
realize that it will not be possible for u to personally conduct a survey. As
it is u think that what u think is what other's think (at least about Helen) :)
>
>>Are u aware of the obstacles which helen faced to become the Helen we >know?
>
>That does not make any impact on her contribution to hindi films. As a
>film watcher, I do not care for what they went through to become what
>they are, all i care for is the end product and having seen them in way
>too many movies with only a cabaret or two does not make me appreciate
>them as much as I do actresses who have have a proper role in a movie and
>enact it well.
Well Bindu was given a decent role in "abhimaan". I do not know
whether u liked it but i did. So was Aruna Irani in "Mili". Hindi cinema
suffers from stereotypes. It is not Helen 's fault if she and her kin
(professionally) were
not given substantial roles. It is because people like u and me enjoy
stereotypes.
The late MKD said (do not worry, this is not made up) : "Give them what they
want. Do not swim against the tide".
I appreciate Lila Misra, lalita pawar, dina pathak, Om
>Prakash, Bina, Mukri, Kesto Mukherjee...who were never the stars, but
>whatever they role they played, they were good.
Another reason for your liking them is that they do not have the label of
"sex symbol" on them which unfortunately our vamps of yesteryears
have. Anybody from Your selection above did not do anything "unvirtous" on
screen. Why not state your prejudices a little more openly? :)
>
>The problem i have is that they were there for a dance or two which were
>there only for the frustrated masses.
Those "frustrated masses" have been pumpiong money into the Hindi film
Industry since its inception. Ignore them and u do not have a film industy.
> They might a good and important
>role in a film or two. Let's keep Shashikala out of this..and even Shiela
>Ramani. Shashikala has more good character roles than she does vampish
>roles and I remember Shiela Ramani as a very graceful dancer.
And Helen was not a graceful dancer? Do i have to send u a list of
'50s films to establish this point too. Time for me to say that i find your
logic *ridiculous*. What do you remember helen as ? She was
arguably the best "dancer" ever seen on Hindi screen. Of course u shall
come tearing out naming Waheeda and Vyjanthi but i am willing to
counter that too. Sheila ramani was primarily not a dancer. You have
got your facts wrong in the hurry to potray Helen and her likes as miserable
creatures who only exposed on the screen.
> What I
>disliked in the vamps i wrote about was their cabaret. When/If they act
>well, they can be appreciated...but it was very rare...
You seem to say that vamps used to perform cabaret out of choice.
U forget that for artistes, films are their bread and butter too.
>
>Do you see Waheeda in CID doing any vulgar dances? or Geeta Bali in Baazi
>doing any vulgar dances?(leave alone dances, wearing skimpy clothes too?)
Waheeda moves her hands in 'Kahin pe nigaahen" like windmills. Her
number was pathetic even though she was a damn good dancer. Perhaps
it was raj Khosla's fault. the reason you do not find heroines in the '50s
exposing is because the society was more orthdox. Please see the
later movies of Sadhana (Dil daulat aur duniya), Vyjanthimala (Prince
and a Dharemndra movie i forget) , Asha parekh (mera gaaon mera desh)
and please tell me did they expose in a '50s movie? the answer is NO.
Yet they exposed in the later movies they did. So the question is Why?
The answer is pretty evdient if u think for a moment.
What about "Amrapali" or perhaps it was justified because of the character
Vyjanthi plays. OK then what about "Suraj" and "sangam" .
Exposing or not exposing is not just a personal issue. Trends in cinema
and picturization have changed considerably over the years and you are
unjustified in claiming that Helen and her likes exposed and did cabaret
numbers because they were not capable of anything better.
>
>Helen is not remembered for her acting and neither is Bindu.
No they are not but whenever given the chance they have tried
to come out od their images. What more can an artiste do? Should
he forget that he has to eat to survive to satisfy your criteria?
>
>Anand, it is good to be a fan not a fanatic...
>
>Anyways, this discussion is going out of the charter of RMIM.
>
>-- Neha ps: thanks for your list of people you are a fan of, I just asked
>you to decide and stick to it, not broadcast it:)
I enjoyed this discussion very much. I was not broadcasting anything just
countering your statement that i am not a fan of Helen, Sheila and Shashikala.
And i am sure u do not know how loyal/disloyal i am to my likes, dislikes,
beliefs
and prejudices. So just leave it at that. Thanks for the opportunity to write
this post. There is much more to say and lsiten but let me spare it for some
other time. It is not possible for me to sit and type all what i have to say on
this
issue.
regards
Anand (as always, a Dev Anand fan)
Ashok
In article <8811895...@dejanews.com>, neha...@hotmail.com says...
>
>> There was a time people used ot go see a film just because of Helen.
>
>oh really! Not only do I not believe it, I believe you made it up:)
True for me!
Ashok
Pradeep Dubey
> OK here is the answer
>
> regards
> Anand (a Dev Anand - Nutan - Geeta Bali - Meena Kumari - Shashikala - Helen
> - Sheila Ramani - Motilal - Balraj Sahni - Sanjeev Kumar - Shammi Kapoor -
> Johnny Walker - Rajendra Nath - Soumitra Chatterjee- Revathi- Suchitra Sen
> Shobhana - Uttam Kumar - Sabitri Chatterjee - Chhabi Biswas - Pahari Sanyal -
> Utpal Dutt - Tulsi Chakraborty - Mohan Lal - Rabi Ghosh, fan)
>
> Got it?
>
No Anand, I didn't get it. Are you seriously a fan of all these
people? More importantly, how could you list 30 some names and
still miss Amitabh, Nasiruddin, A Kher? And even more importantly,
no Shabana, Rekha, or last but not least, no Nitu of Do KaliyaN fame?
In any case, I must thank you for introducing me to Shiela Ramani.
It's such a cool name, I have been reciting it like 'hare rama
hare krishna' ever since I read it in this thread. What are some
of her movies/songs?
Pradeep
Anand Tiwari
In article , Pradeep says...
>
>Anand Tiwari wrote:
>>
>> In article , neha...@hotmail.com says...
>> >
>....
>> OK here is the answer
>>
>> regards
>> Anand (a Dev Anand - Nutan - Geeta Bali - Meena Kumari - Shashikala - Helen
>> - Sheila Ramani - Motilal - Balraj Sahni - Sanjeev Kumar - Shammi Kapoor -
>> Johnny Walker - Rajendra Nath - Soumitra Chatterjee- Revathi- Suchitra Sen
>> Shobhana - Uttam Kumar - Sabitri Chatterjee - Chhabi Biswas - Pahari Sanyal -
>> Utpal Dutt - Tulsi Chakraborty - Mohan Lal - Rabi Ghosh, fan)
>>
>> Got it?
>>
>
>No Anand, I didn't get it. Are you seriously a fan of all these
>people?
Pradeep,
The answer to your question is * yes *. I may not have seen all their
works but yes i am their fan.
> More importantly, how could you list 30 some names and
>still miss Amitabh, Nasiruddin, A Kher?
Because i am not their fan. I would like to add Smita Patil to the above list
too. There are many more people whom i admire but could not put all the
names down at the spur of the moment.
> And even more importantly,
>no Shabana, Rekha, or last but not least, no Nitu of Do KaliyaN fame?
>
No i am not a fan of Shabana or Rekha or Nitu.
>In any case, I must thank you for introducing me to Shiela Ramani.
>It's such a cool name, I have been reciting it like 'hare rama
>hare krishna' ever since I read it in this thread. What are some
>of her movies/songs?
Sheila Ramani is not a singer. She used to be a famous "character artiste"
in the early '50s. I remember her in "Taxi Driver" and "Funtoosh" both
Dev movies. Apart from that she has acted in "Naukari" with Kishore Kumar.
According to another RMIMer "naukri" was a film very close to Kishore da's
heart. He used to watch it frequently. I searched for its video very recently
but
did not find it. Kishore's fondness for "Naukri" has been stated by his son.
Other films from the RMIM automailer in which Sheila Ramani acted are
"anjali", "Joru ka bhai", "Meenar". The soundtrack of "Meenar" has been
discussed on RMIM. Sheila ramani was pretty famous in the '50s. Dev remembers's
living close to the building where she lived.
Perhaps Vish or Ashok ji can add more info on her life and movies. I have
asked for info on her many a times but have received no response on
RMIM or RAMLI.
regards
Anand (a Dev Anand fan)
neha...@hotmail.com
On 3 Dec 1997 anand....@prairiecomm.com(Anand Tiwari)
nonsensically rambles:
>The only difference is that times have changed, moral
> values have changed and so has tolerance level.
> in.
>
> course)
>
> stereotypes. The late MKD said (do not worry, this is not > made up) : "Give them what they want. Do not swim
> against the tide".
>
> I appreciate Lila Misra, lalita pawar, dina pathak, Om
>Prakash, Bina, Mukri, Kesto Mukherjee...who were never the stars, but
>whatever they role they played, they were good.
>Industry since its inception. Ignore them and u do not have a >film industy.
>U forget that for artistes, films are their bread and butter too.
>and picturization have changed considerably over the years >and you are
>unjustified in claiming that Helen and her likes exposed and >did cabaret
>numbers because they were not capable of anything better.
>
>he forget that he has to eat to survive to satisfy your criteria?
Anand,
You have different standards for today movie actresses and those of the females in discussion here. Why the double standards(as is evident from your various posts over ramli and rmim)?
Please excuse Madhuri, Mamta, Manisha, Urmila etc...for doing what they do on screen because that is what the public wants. But then you will argue differently.
Try to clear out your mind first and then come and argue as to why if Helen doesnt get a good role it her not her fault and she wud do it earn bread and butter, but if Urmila does the same thing it is wrong!
Geez, tumhare saath to clearly argue bhi nahi kar sakte...you yourself arent clear as to what you should defend. It is a waste of time to try to discuss anything with you.
--
Anand Tiwari
In article , neha...@hotmail.com continues her tirade blindly and thinking
that her logic is the best :.
Neha,
I have said that todays movies are not of the same standard as that of the old
ones many a time on RAMLI. I have argued on those lines too so i agree
with your above 2 lines. I have said that i do not find any actor/actress
of today matching up the standards of the era gone by. But *nowhere* repeat
nowhere have i lambasted any actor/actress for exposing , not exposing
on the screen.
>
>You have different standards for today movie actresses and those of the females
>in discussion here. Why the double standards(as is evident from your various
>posts over ramli and rmim)?
I ask you to quote *one* post where i have shown *double standards* for
Madhuri, Urmila and Tabu etc. Till date i have offered no opinion on them.
The only thread i particpated in was when Meena Kumari was being called
a lesser actress than Kajol. I have hosted an entire Show Theme (#3,
ek abhinetri)0dedicated to Madhuri Dixit on RAMLI. It is archived on Madhu's
page. It is sufficient evidence of my appreciation of Madame Dixit's
acting skills (though still far short of what Meena Kumari or Nutan where
capable of, IMHO).
In your zest to prove me and my convictions stupid, nonsensical and whatever
u think is appopriate u have chsoen to ignore facts. Answer my question before
u come up with make believe one liners that i am making up stuff in my
defense of helen and others. You have not answered a single question from
my previous post because you do not want to, because it is convinient
for you to ignore any issue i raise and because u do not want to openly
admit your prejudice against the "cabaret sequences" and the "cabaret
brigade".
Go ahead and search deja news for a post where i have said that
* Madhuri, Urmila, Tabu, Kajol etc expose because they are
essentially useless*. If you find a single post to this effect will i concede
you the fact that i have double standards otherwise all this is a figment of
your fertile imagination.
>
>Please excuse Madhuri, Mamta, Manisha, Urmila etc...for doing what they do >on
>screen because that is what the public wants. But then you will argue
>>differently.
Get your facts right. All of the above are leading ladies and we were
talking about the "vamp & cabaret" brigade. Why the change of subject
suddenly?
Where have i said anything about Madhuri, Mamta, Manisha, Urmila etc.
I do not bother to waste my time ( i feel it is wastage) by posting on them.
They can do whatever they like. I am *not* interested. Doesn't make a difference
to them, to me and to their fans.
>
>Try to clear out your mind first and then come and argue as to why if Helen
>>doesnt get a good role it her not her fault and she wud do it earn bread and
>>butter, but if Urmila does the same thing it is wrong!
How can u bring Urmila in the picture? What is the context? WHere have
i lambasted her for exposing on screen. Seems u do not have anything better
than to conjure up tales about what i have posted. You have nothing to add
to this thread. You simply do not like cabaret numbers and whatever of
Helen and their likes and u go on spinning stories about my posts,
my opinions (in cases where i do not have one) and u ask me to clear
my mind?.
U should look at your last post to see what you have posted and what it
should be called. It does not even qualify to be called nonsensical. It is
baseless concoted, untrue and childish.
>
>Geez, tumhare saath to clearly argue bhi nahi kar sakte...you yourself arent
>clear as to what you should defend. It is a waste of time to try to discuss
>anything with you.
I am sure Neha it is a waste of your precious time to argue with me but
even if you are arguing with a dumb fool, a rambling idiot or whatever please
do not conjure up what he/she has not said. Sorry for wasting your precious
time.
regards
Anand (a Dev Anand fan)
PS: The offer still holds. Bring out *one* post where i have said that todays
actresses are unjustified in exposing whereas actresses from yesteryears
were justified in doing so. Only then shall i concede your *hypocrisy*, *double
standards* charge otherwise i dismiss them as useless rantings.
Hema
> In article , neha...@hotmail.com continues her tirade blindly and thinking
> that her logic is the best :.
> >
> On 3 Dec 1997 anand....@prairiecomm.com(Anand Tiwari)
>
> nonsensically rambles:
>
....and people called *me* and the *other kid* as kids on RMIM.:)
Hema.
sikandar ne poros se ki jo la.Daii...to mai.n kyaa karu.n!
(this is what we used to sing in a very Mohan Choti-ish tone when as
kids our 'ham-umr' brats used to fight.:))
p.s: Humor impaired should take Abhay's advice.
Anand Tiwari
In article , Hema says...
>
>> In article , neha...@hotmail.com continues her tirade blindly and thinking
>> that her logic is the best :.
>> >
>> On 3 Dec 1997 anand....@prairiecomm.com(Anand Tiwari)
>>
>> nonsensically rambles:
>>
>
>
>Hema.
> sikandar ne poros se ki jo la.Daii...to mai.n kyaa karu.n!
> (this is what we used to sing in a very Mohan Choti-ish tone when as
>kids our 'ham-umr' brats used to fight.:))
Hema,
With due respect to your sweet sense of humour, let me add that this
was not a ladaii.
regards
Anand
SKalra902
Anand Tiwari wrote:
....Snipped....
>Helen, Sheila Ramani etc were the few ladies who gracefully did the
>not deserve the same respect as the lead heroines. As far as i know from
>character than a lead role player. Doing a vampish role and a caberet
>who could have done "O Haseena Zulfon waali" among Nutan, geeta bali
>and Meena Kumari? everyone has his/her place and let it remain at that.
>a vamp or as a cabaret dancer on screen is in extremely poor taste.
>
>
Well, I thought let me also join the disucssion. :))) But more so in an
informative rather than inflammatory way.
Helen, for one, did not do just vampish roles only, whether it was the fifties
or the sixties or even the seventies when so many of the younger/newer
side-heroines (that is what I would prefer to call them) had come into the film
industry. E.g., the 1956 film Raaj Huth had a sensational Helen number, not as
a vamp, but just as a dancer in celebration of the marriage of Madhubala and
Pradeep Kumar (in the film). Can someone forget that everlasting, haunting,
lilting, number, "aaja, aaja, aaja nadiya kinaare, taaroN ki chaiyyan tohe
kabse pukaare" ! (Ashokji, please take special note.) :))))
The 1960 film "Hum Hindustani" had Helen again in "meaningful" (in today's
filmy language) role, in love with Joy Mukherji. The fantastic duet "neeli
neeli ghata, o bheegi bheegi hawa" was picturized on the two. Then, in Woh
Kaun Thii, she is the first flame of manoj Kumar, and gets to sing the duet
"chhod kar tere pyar ka.". (BTW, it is one of the few MK songs that I like.)
And let us not forget the recently-discussed-on-RMIM Kitty Kelly from Gumnaam.
Helen also won the Filmfare award for the Best Supporting Actress for her role
in "Lahu Ke do Rang" - 1979.
This is not to deny that more often than not she got to play cabaret dance
numbers, etc. Obviously, artists do whatever they do for money, art, and
persoanl satisfaction. But even when Helen used to do such "vampish" roles,
dancing cabaret numbers in film after film, did any one pay attention tothe
fact that she used to wear a body/skin color fabric at midriff, so that the
film viewers thought that she was bare skinned on her belly area whereas
actually she was not. In some films, ditto on her arms too.
I will now come to the Madhuri's of today. Why Madhuri's, why not Madhuri
herself. In the 1989 film "Vardi", she plays a basti girl in love with Jackie
Shroff, and has to expose herself just like the Kashmira Shah pthat I saw in a
recent issue of Filmfare. That was a time when Dil, Beta, Raja, Sajan, HAKHK,
etc., had not happened to her. Moral of the story: (a biased, personal
opinion of mine) Yes, money is, was important to every artist, will remain in
the future, too, but Helen could demand and got skin color outifts, so she
would not have to expose herself, whereas now, money has become the most
important, (but not the only) criterion. Can we forget the 1993/94 film Andaz,
which had that (in)famous railgaadi song, with Anil Kapoor and Juhi Chawla
getting into (unprintable, at least for me) abdominal exercises.
Why remember Sheila Ramani only for the Taxi Driver number? Why not also for
films like Funtoosh, Naukri, Joru Ka Bhai, Railway Platform, etc.
On the other hand, Geeta Bali is as much remembered for the Baazi role, as she
is for Baawre Nain, Naina, Rangeen Raatein, Pocket Maar, Albeli, etc. (Before
any one begins attacking me, I have intentionally named films that are not
well remembered/known except for Baawre Nain.)
As far as Nutan is concerned, the only exposure she gave of herself (that I
remember) was in Dilli Ka Thug, where she wore a one piece swim suit. And here
too, IIRC, that particular scene was badly censored by the board. Obviously,
at that time, Nutan was in such a position that she did not have to accept a
film/role in which she had to do even that much exposure - after all, Seema,
Shabab, Paying Guest (how could I leave out a Dev Anand starrer, Anand) etc.,
had already happened to her, and probably the only reason she did was the
extraordinary amount she must have been offered and could not refuse (again,
this is my theory, and there is no way I can prove it, if challenged).
Meena Kumari was not a dancer, by any standards, she could do all that was
probably the basic minimum that every female artist had to be able to do to
become a heroine. She is also one that I do not recollect having done any
"negative" type roles, like Nutan.
Yes, friends, times have changed, that is the only certain fact. Commercial
success is primary, even necessary. Was, even in the old days. Otherwise,
why would Guru Dutt make Jaal, Aar Paar, Mr. & Mrs. 55, CID, before embarking
on a Pyaasa or Kaagaz Ke Phool, or Shakti Samanta who is remembered more for
his Amar Prem than the Howrah Bridge or Kashmir Ki Kali. And how serious the
lesson was to the industry by Kaagaz Ke Phool.
All roles have had an impact on the industry. Those in films with a well
conceived and written script are remembered for a long time. Those that are
written on the sets or changed around onm the whims of the artists are
forgotten in no time.
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Anand Tiwari
In article , skal...@aol.com says...
>
>Anand Tiwari wrote:
>....Snipped....
>
>Well, I thought let me also join the disucssion. :))) But more so in an
>informative rather than inflammatory way.
>
>Helen, for one, did not do just vampish roles only, whether it was the fifties
>or the sixties or even the seventies when so many of the younger/newer
Satish ji,
Thanks for the very informative piece. Yes Helen was the heroine too in some
B grade films. Didn't she act as the heroine in "Cha Cha Cha" starring
Chandrashekhar has hero?
Anil Ubale
Anil Hingorani wrote:
>
> Not 'bambai ka babu'. The songs lip-synced by Dev in that film were
> all sung by Rafi.
>
Except for the first song -
Tak dhum tak dhum baaje
duniya tera dhol re
- sung by Manna Dey.
anil
Anil Ubale
Hema wrote:
>
> IIRC, there was only one Mukesh song in Bambai ka Babu - "chal ri sajni"
> and that too was a background song. BTW, I remember only one other song
> from this movie "Deewana mastana hua dil", a very good duet by Rafi and
> Asha. Can someone post other songs of this movie..I might end up buying
> this tape for just these two above mentioned songs.
>
> Hema.
Bambai ka babu is definitely a good buy. The songs are :
* Tak dhum tak dhum baaje - Manna Dey
* Dekhane mein bhola hai dil ka salona
Bambai se aaya hai babu chinnanna? - Asha
BTW, what is that word - chinnanna? what does it mean?
* Pawan chale to uthe nadi mein leher sii - Asha, Rafi
* Aise mein kachu kaha nahin jaaye re - Asha
* Diwana Mastaana hua dil - Asha, Rafi
* Saathi na koi manzil - Rafi
* Chal ri sajani ab kya soche - Mukesh
Music is by SDB, Lyr. by Majrooh, and it stars Dev, Suchitra
Sen, Rashid, Nazir Hussain.
anil
Anil Ubale
Anand Tiwari wrote:
> Satish ji,
>
> Thanks for the very informative piece. Yes Helen was the heroine too in some
> B grade films. Didn't she act as the heroine in "Cha Cha Cha" starring
> Chandrashekhar has hero?
>
With the title song picturised on her and probably some more
too.
anil
Nitin Sharma
Anand Tiwari (anand....@prairiecomm.com) wrote:
:
: Hema,
: With due respect to your sweet sense of humour, let me add that this
: was not a ladaii.
Hema, silly girl, dont you get it? It was an enlightened and
enlightening exchange of messages, no doubt. Some of the good
things that came out of this thread are:
1. We all got to know the complete list (or is it still not complete?) of
actors Anand Tiwari is a fan of. This also revealed an aspect of
Anand's personality, that he is an "equal opportunity fan" .
2. Some sceptical people like Pradeep Dubey still didnt get it,
and raised some silly objections about not including certain
actors (including someone of, horrors!, Do Kaliyan fame.)
But Anand brushed aside his objections by also providing a list
of actors he is not a fan of.
As everyone expected, this list turned out to be shorter.
3. The rmim janta came to know, thanks to Anand's vigorous efforts of
course, that creating a niche as a vamp was very tough upto the 50's,
and that doing a cabaret does not make anyone porn star "or any such
thing".
4. Pradeep Dubey discovered who Sheila Ramani is.
So did the rest of us. Pradeep even liked her cool name.
On Pradeep's request, Anand gave brief intro to her, including
a very interesting bit of info about her place of residence
(she lived close to Dev's building!)
5. Helen was such a great actress that people in the 50's used to go
watch a film just for her. (Kids of the 90's, just like what makes
Mamta and Urmila great today.)
6. A pearl of wisdom from the well known MKD (alas! no more) about not
swimming against the tide.("Give them what they want. Do not swim
against the tide").
7. And of course, Neha and Anand also traded adjectives about each
other's psychology, prejudices, opinions, tastes, mental faculties..
generally enriching the vocabulary of rmim'ers.
I'm sure there are more and others can fill us in.
But there are also some pregnant questions raised but left answered
by this thread. Some of htem are:
1. Sadhna, Vyjanthi and Asha Parekh(!) didnt expose in '50's but
did so in later movies. The question is Why. Anand thinks the answer
is obvious and left it as a homework exercise. Some of us are still
scratching our heads..
2. Do you know what obstacles Helen had to face to become the Helen
that we know?
3. Anand dropped a challenge to bring out *one* post where he said
todays actresses are unjustified in exposing whereas actresses from
yesteryears were justified in doing so.
Did Neha take up this challenge? Could she find even a single
instance of Anand making the above remark?
is sawal ka aur upar vale sabhi sawaloN ka jawab jaan ne ke liye paRhiye
RMIM ka agla ank...
-nitin
SKalra902
Heroine of China Town opp. Shami Kapoor was Shakila, not Helen.
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra
Anand Tiwari
In article , ni...@cs.washington.edu says...
Nitin,
Good one! a few more clarifications so that you still have some hair on
your head (which is rapidly disappearing due to continous scratching,
as a result of attempting tough homework exercises. :))
>1. We all got to know the complete list (or is it still not complete?)
The list is not complete.
>
>3. The rmim janta came to know, thanks to Anand's vigorous efforts of
>course, that creating a niche as a vamp was very tough upto the 50's,
>and that doing a cabaret does not make anyone porn star "or any such
>thing".
I always aim to enlighten .
>
> On Pradeep's request, Anand gave brief intro to her, including
> a very interesting bit of info about her place of residence
> (she lived close to Dev's building!)
That bit of info is from the "Season's" article archived at the RMIM page.
>
>5. Helen was such a great actress that people in the 50's used to go
>watch a film just for her. (Kids of the 90's, just like what makes
>Mamta and Urmila great today.)
You are free to not believe Helen's pull at the BO. I would recommend that
u get hold of the FF issue or talk to some people who were avid cine goers
in the '60s. Ashok ji has already replied to this.
>
>
>6. A pearl of wisdom from the well known MKD (alas! no more) about not
>swimming against the tide.("Give them what they want. Do not swim
>against the tide").
Actually that comment is attributed to Billy Wilder (alas! no more).
MKD quoted him.
>
> But there are also some pregnant questions raised but left answered
>by this thread. Some of htem are:
>
>1. Sadhna, Vyjanthi and Asha Parekh(!) didnt expose in '50's but
> did so in later movies. The question is Why. Anand thinks the answer
>is obvious and left it as a homework exercise. Some of us are still
>scratching our heads..
Don't scratch it too much :). An email to me can help you retain whatever
is left.
Ushnish Basu
>> >
>> She was also heroine opposite Shammi Kapoor in "China Town".
>> With the title song picturised on her and probably some more
>> too.
>> anil
!!! From what I remember of "China Town", Helen wasn't the heroine in China
Town. Please correct me if I am wrong. Moreover, the song "Baar Baar Dekho"
- if that is the one you mean - wasn't definitely not picturised on Helen.
Waiting for corrections and flames... ;-)
Ushnish
--
Ushnish Basu ub...@uclink.berkeley.edu (510)-644-1906
Anil Ubale
Ushnish Basu wrote:
> !!! From what I remember of "China Town", Helen wasn't the heroine in China
> Town. Please correct me if I am wrong. Moreover, the song "Baar Baar Dekho"
> - if that is the one you mean - wasn't definitely not picturised on Helen.
>
> Waiting for corrections and flames... ;-)
>
> Ushnish
Hi Ushnish, and Satish Kalra,
China Town (1962) had Shammi Kapoor (double role) as hero and
Shakila and Helen as heroines. Helen is the heroine of the
bad/smuggler Shammi, and Shakila of the good/singer Shammi.
The title song - "Rangeen baharonse hai gulzar china town"
was IIRC picturised on Helen.
BTW, Helen can be made up very easily - to look like a
chinese/north-eastern girl - just pull her outer eye-corners up
a bit - as also done in "Lahu ke do rang (1979)".
Other Songs of China town that I remember -
* Baar baar dekho (Rafi)
* Humse na pucho hum kahaan chale .. (Rafi, Suman?)
Music was by Ravi, and it starred Madan Puri as villain, besides
Shammi, Helen, and Shakila.
The story of China Town was recycled in Amitabh's Don, and I find
Don sleeker than China Town.
Hope I am correct in what I remember of China Town.
anil
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Signal Compression Lab
Box 7, Dept. of ECE, UCSB an...@kane.ece.ucsb.edu
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----
Ushnish Basu
OK, point taken ;-)
Another additional point - as many would have noticed, China Town has the same
story as Don (as in the big B). Does anyone know if Don was a remake of China
Town, or both were based on some other movie.
anura...@hotmail.com
On 4 Dec 1997 11:21:32 -0800, anand....@prairiecomm.com(Anand Tiwari) wrote:
>I ask you to quote *one* post where i have shown *double standards* for
>Madhuri, Urmila and Tabu etc. Till date i have offered no opinion on them.
not to take up Anand Tiwari's bait to research RAMLI or RMIM archives
for his previous posts.
After waiting for some days, I decided to pacify my curiosity as to who
is true. From the few posts that I skimmed through, I got what I was
looking for.
****
>From one post by Anand Tiwari:
****
The '80s opened with "Qurbani" was followed by the "saat saheliyan song"
in Vidhaata (1981). the vulgarity here was restricted to the lyrics.
Of course we had Raj Kapoor at his old tricks from 1951 when you see
Nargis in a swim suit to "Ram teri ....." (1985). 1985-1986 is a very
significant year as far as vulgarity in Hindi films goes. First RTGM
was A111 hit according to the industry standards. Vulgarity and cheapness
was here to stay. Then we had people like Govinda, Sonam and Kimi Katkar
entering the industry. This was undoubtedly the worst phase for Hindi
cinema. These ladies (excluding Govinda :) ) survived on the strength of
body display.
Of course our foolish friends in Bombay were always looking for flicking
ideas from the south and they started copying the style of Tamil/Telugu
films. I am sure you would agree that in a run of the mill Telugu film
duing the late '80s and early '90s 5 of the 6 songs were dream sequences.
However Hindi films were pretty slow in picking up the various movements
in Telugu cinema. It happened only when the choreographers of South were
invited to work in Bombay.
It does not serve your purpose sir, to point out Hindi films which had
vulgar scenes. You know it from your heart that for every Hindi film you
point out i can point at least 5 films in Tamil/Telugu that had at least
some vulgarity in some form. FilmFare had in the early '90s carried a
special supplement on "sex power" with Sonam on the front page. It gave
a comprehensive list of actresses and movies in which they exposed from
south as well. I do not have the article righ now. But the list started
from the '50. However they were the exceptions in the '50s and '60s. In
the '80s they have become the rule.
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>From another post :
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I would rather prefer Raj kapoor's sangam with the beautiful Vyjantimala
in a swim suit singing "Sangam hoga hoga" than a 10% clad Urmila doing
pelvic thrusts in Rangeela. Where is the Indian touch in these films. if
I need nudity i better watch Sharon Stone In Basic instinct and Sliver
or Bo derek in 10, Bolero and Woman of Desire than see our desi girls
who object to getting kissed on the screen perform the drenched sari
act.
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>From yet another post:
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DDLJ and HAHK have shown what clean films can do but how many producers
or banners are making such films?
Instead of actresses we are seeing beauty queens, models and girls ready
to bare all on screen. I do not know if Madhubala was a model or a
crowned beauty queen but i would prefer her any day on screen compared to Ash,
Sush, Mamta etc etc.
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>Go ahead and search deja news for a post where i have said that
>* Madhuri, Urmila, Tabu, Kajol etc expose because they are
>your fertile imagination.
>actresses are unjustified in exposing whereas actresses from yesteryears
>were justified in doing so. Only then shall i concede your *hypocrisy*,
>*double standards* charge otherwise i dismiss them as useless rantings.
'double standards' or the 'hypocrisy', Neha Desai is accusing you of? Or
do you need further proofs?
Regards,
AS
anura...@hotmail.com
>Madhuri, Urmila and Tabu etc. Till date i have offered no opinion on them.
>* Madhuri, Urmila, Tabu, Kajol etc expose because they are
>your fertile imagination.
>actresses are unjustified in exposing whereas actresses from yesteryears
>were justified in doing so. Only then shall i concede your *hypocrisy*,
>*double standards* charge otherwise i dismiss them as useless rantings.
'double standards' or the 'hypocrisy', Neha Desai is accusing you of? Or
do you need further proofs?
Regards,
AS
neha...@hotmail.com
anura...@hotmail.com writes:
> Apparently Neha Desai has wimpily (or for reasons known solely to her) decided
> Now what do you have to say Mr. Pompous Tiwari? Do you admit to the
> 'double standards' or the 'hypocrisy', Neha Desai is accusing you of? Or
> do you need further proofs?
>
> Regards,
> AS
thanks for searching the archives, but you didnt have to.
i didnt do anything because I consider it a waste of my time
digging the archives and going through numerous epic posts of
anand's to prove something that is obvious.
--
neha
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Good character is more to be praised than outstanding talent. Most talents
are, to some extent, a gift. Good character, by contrast, is not given to us.
We have to build it piece by piece - by thought, choice, courage and
determination.
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neha...@hotmail.com
anura...@hotmail.com writes:
> Apparently Neha Desai has wimpily (or for reasons known solely to her) decided
<snipped>
> Now what do you have to say Mr. Pompous Tiwari? Do you admit to the
> 'double standards' or the 'hypocrisy', Neha Desai is accusing you of? Or
> do you need further proofs?
>
> Regards,
> AS
anurag(s_81)
thanks for searching the archives, but you didnt have to.
i didnt do anything because I consider it a waste of my time
digging the archives and going through numerous epic posts of
anand's to prove something that is obvious.
--
neha
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Good character is more to be praised than outstanding talent. Most talents
are, to some extent, a gift. Good character, by contrast, is not given to us.
We have to build it piece by piece - by thought, choice, courage and
determination.
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SKalra902
On 12/2/97, sjal...@us.oracle.com wrote:
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>last week-end i saw three ghulam mohammad movies.
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>
>* do gunde - ajit, kumkum, raj kumar, jayashri gadkar
>here raj kumar dies in the first hour. the main character is ajit.
>it is one of those movies when ajit used to play hero.
>lyrics : majrooh
>1 main nashe men hoon - rafi
>2 nadiya kinare phiru pyasi - lata
......This song is from Raaj hath (1956), music by Shankar Jaikishan.
The song was not in the film, though, but is available on tape/Cd.
.....
Happy New Year to all nettors.
Happy listenings.
Satish Kalra