hum apke hain koun? sucks..
Akash Ashok Shringi
movie is only a one time watcher. I can't bear seeing that movie for
more than two times. And I'm not the only one.I know more peole on Guam
who hates that movie than likes it. The main reson why this movie found
financial success in the box-office:
1)Shown only on the silver screen. Naturally it can't loose, especially
because it's an Rageshwari presentation. Imagine if "Khal Nayak", "Hum",
or even "SAajan" were not on video right away. Maybe they'll be even
bigger hits. Or you can also put star stanza "Mohra" or ole ole ole "Yeh
Dilagi" on that super hit all time spot. This is the first time in more
than 12 years that India hasn't put a movie on video right away.
What ten years from now we can tell our children or grandchildren that
what "Dikatana" means. Or maybe we can show that Salman Khan was even in
that film. Noway can we compare this film to "Sholay." Atleast majority
were proud of having so dominant figures like Gabbar Signh, Thakkur Saab
or even Basaanti. And for the mighty cast check out Dharmendra and
Amitabh to top it all with the final punch.
yeh dosti, hum nahin chorege, chorege dum magar, tera saath na chorege.***
We will never pick Hum Apke Hani Koun over Sholay
never............................................................................................
Why don't anyone just reply to this post and give me your opinion...
Akash
SINGH, ASHOK
>In article <1995Feb23....@kuentos.guam.net>,
>Akash Ashok Shringi <ak...@kuentos.guam.net> wrote:
>>
>
>HAHK...! is better than Sholay.
>Sholay was violent, HAHK.. doesn't even have one swear word.
>Songs of HAHK r much better than Sholay.
>HAHK...! has no double meaning dialogues, no sex!!!
>Sooraj Barjatya ia much better director than Ramesh Sippy.
>Ramesh Sippy himself can't make another Sholay.
>Sooraj has improved after MAine Pyar Kiya.
>Sooraj has brought out the best in Salman Khan, who we all know
>is not much of an actor. Now that says quite a bit about
>Sooraj.
>
SHOLAY was one of the best Hindi films ever made.
The violence in SHOLAY was an integral part of the film's story.
The quality of the action scenes in the film hasn't been repeated since.
R.D. Burman created an excellent background musical score throughout the film.
The performances from the lead actors (Dharmendra, Sanjeev, Amitabh,Hema,Jaya)
were excellent but others in the cast such as Soorma Bhopali, Asrani as the
angrezo ki zamane ka jailer, Sambha, and Satyen Kappu as Ramlal (Sanjeev's
naukar) had well-defined roles and will always be remembered. The character
of Gabbar Singh has become legendary.
>MAiye ne Maiye... what a song!!!!!
>Its in it s 7month, running to packed houses in India
>Need advance bookings for a month in a advance
>its illegal copy has done booming buisness at video
>stores, which is a camera print....
>
>first movie in a foreign country to have a silver jublee.
>started on Aug5th, 94 At albion cinemans in Toronto and it
>is still playing!!!!
>
In the U.K. films such as MUQADDAR KA SIKANDAR ran for over
25 weeks (Silver Jubilee). I'm not sure how long SHOLAY has run there.
SHOLAY ran for over five years in Bombay. HUM AAPKE HAIN KOUN
won't run nearly as long.
>This is the only movie that has made people watch the movie
>from anywhere from 5-10 times.
>The questions isn't if u have seen it, but how many times
>have u seen this movie.
>
I know many people who have seen SHOLAY over 10 times.
>HAs made 100 crores in 5 months....
You can't compare the value of the rupee in 1975 vs 1994.
>Sholay can't even come close to HAHK...!
>
>HAHK....! is the best film ever. Leaves Sholay far behind.
>
SHOLAY has been appreciated by audiences around the world.
It has received critical acclaim from foreign reviews in various festivals
around the world. This is something not even HAHK has been able to do.
If you compare both films :
SHOLAY has a better screenplay by Salim-Javed.
" " comedy
" " dialogues
" " acting
" " action
" " cinematography, editing, sound effects
" " original background music score by R.D. Burman
Every song was excellently picturized.
I have heard some criticism of HAHK but I've yet to hear anybody
say any thing negative about SHOLAY. It was the complete entertainer
that catered to all type of audiences off all ages.
Ashok
>Harpreet
>
>--
>***************************************************************************
>Harpreet Singh, University of Waterloo, Math-Business Admin.-Information Systems
>Undergraduate, 4th year. E-mail:hsi...@cayley.uwaterloo.ca
>***************************************************************************
Harminder S. Birdi
: I can't believe why HUM APKE HAIN KOUN is India's all time hit. That
: Akash
Right you are. I love Sholay. even though I have not seek HAHK, but I
have a feeliong that it is gonna be disappointing. I will watch this movie
because of Madhuri, because I appreciate her. There is just no way that this
movie should top Sholay.
HAHK might be the best ever in viewership/earnings but, boy the times
have changed and comparisons based upon the number of viewers and/or earnings
are useless.
Sadhana Paralkar
>Sholay can't even come close to HAHK...!
>HAHK....! is the best film ever. Leaves Sholay far behind.
>Harpreet
Oh please, don't give us that crap.......I have seen Sholay
about 20 times so far, and each time it was equally exciting!
It's a masterpiece that Indian screen has ever produced!
And HAHK is not even close to Sholay.....the only reason
you have these mind blowing stats about HAHK is its EXCELLENT
MARKETING STRATEGY, i.e., to be released only in one theatre per
city, no video cassette, good publicity,..... etc. etc.
Not to forget that there is a 20 year gap between the year
Sholay was released and HAHK's year..The ticket prices have gone up
6 times, and also the access to movies has increased, such as the
movie being released in so many countries abroad!
All this fell in favour of HAHK, but it can never reach the
height of excellency that Sholay has reached!
Sadhana
Srinivasa R Raghavan
In article <Pine.SV4.3.91.950224083728.4808A-100000@unicorn>,
B Singh <eey...@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> writes:
> Sad...Disgusting...Pathetic...and many more!!
>
> If I went on I could go on for days......
>
> Ashok I am in total agreement with you...even if they director puts his
> skills to producing a worse film than this he will not succeed!
i heave a huge sigh of relief that there r some sensible people around on
rmim :-)
i have never seen such a ridiculous movie EVER. and to think that i paid
$8 for three hours of this agonizing torture...! this is the first instance
of a Hindi movie with the total lack of a storyline. the only explanation i
can give for the success of the movie, is that the filmgoing public
prefer no storyline to a ridiculous one.
>
> I was never a big fan of Salman's anyway but how could one actor be so
> devoid of acting skills..
salman should be given the lifetime achievement award for "consistently poor
acting". (maybe it should be called the Sylvester Stallone award!)
i cannot think of a Bollywood actor this bad.
madhuri looked pretty all right. but she did nothing else of note. all the
artistes must have suffered severe facial aches on account of the
incessant smiling :-)
> I think the movie can easily be summarised to three parts...the
> first, the marriage(2 hours),the second the death(1 hour) and finally the
> main plot in the remainder time...and it seems that finally the main star
> of the movie was the dog!!
the movie is best described in the words of a friend, as one long marriage
video. the songs were mediocre to say the least. it was unbearable to
listen to Lata Mangeshkar when she reached the high notes.
if this film was simply a reaction of a disgusted public to the violence that
permeates the film world, i can live with that. but please, no more of
such crappy sentimentality.
srinivas
Vilok Kusumakar
Harminder S. Birdi <hsb...@mtu.edu> wrote:
>
>
>: Why don't anyone just reply to this post and give me your opinion...
>
>have a feeliong that it is gonna be disappointing. I will watch this movie
What an objective comparision. :-> !
Haven't even seen the two movies but ready to compare and proclaim one
over other.
Now for some island of sanity into this blind faith based discussion.
IMHO, Sholay was a great movie of 70's. And HAHK is the great movie of 90's.
It takes time for people to change their mind, once they have already made it
up. So people who feel Sholay was the greatest movies ever will NEVER change
their mind. May be because of nostalgic feeling for their time or for
other reasons. But they can't stop people making great movies which may even
be better than Sholay.
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S.Jagadish ....... I think .... Therefore I am
HAKHK is definitely not in the same league as Sholay but it definitely is one
of the best films in the past 3-4 years ... Not for any dialogue delivery or
stunts (huh! What stunts?!) or for excellent songs ... but for the simple fact
that it was one movie which you could go to with your family and be sure that
you wouldnt be embarassed ... Believe me ... I went with my parents and I found
it such a refreshing change from other (Hindi and Tamil) movies that I have
gone to with them ... I am in no way saying that HAKHK is better than Sholay
Abbey ... when you have BACCHAN competing against salman ... there is no
question !! SHOLAY stands way above HAKHK in an alltime list (and thats not
due to the height factor of Amitabh and Salman alone ! ;-))
Compare : Arey O Samba ... Shahar Se Kya Laaya Re ?!
AND
Aakhir yeh bolo ... Hum Aapke Hain Kaun !
The difference is obvious !
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Srinivasa R Raghavan
In article <D4KoF...@news.cis.umn.edu>, rava...@gold.tc.umn.edu (Sivakumar Ravada) writes:
> SO, with so much trouble we went in. I
> HAD to leave it after one hour. Many reasons:
>
> * It is a wedding cassette, that too, not yours; someone else's!
> * The cast behaves as if the audience is a little kid and they (the
> cast) have to keep the audience distracted and happy: all the
> kootchie-koo, gili-gili-gili-goooo stuff. Elders acting like
> teenager flirts (Alok nath? and Anupam Kher, good actor stupid
> role)
distracted and happy indeed! they hoped that the public would not notice the
lack of story, and by jolly, they didn't!
> * The story line is: we have a grown up girl. You a grown up boy.
> Come in your best clothes and hang around for ladies' sangeet.
> (it is not even high in emotions like Barsat ki Raat.)
>
> See, I have this wonderful Kanjevaram Saree,
> ---SONG---
> OOOOH! you have such nice Benarasi.
> ---SONG---
> AHA! Look at that devil-of-a-cute-Salman in that
> dashing shirt from ChiragDin! --QUICK SONG-- AND looooook at
> his shoes!
> --Shall we have.... There goes another song---
> We will get MONEY (maybe DALLARS) for hiding them!
> Oh they are going!?
> -- PLEEEEASE COME BACK WIIIITH my sister that youuuuuuuuu are
> takingggggg away aaaaaaa (sob)(sob)(sob) ---
well said! in the movies of the 40s and early 50s, there were as many songs,
but they generally followed a storyline. if initially the hero was wooing
the heroine - song -; next he gets separated from her - song -; ..and somewhere
in the middle there would be an obligatory song in a night club.
while this was quite ridiculous, it seems bearable in comparison to HAHK,
where songs occur for no reason whatsoever. it is claimed that the songs
r all integral to the storyline. what storyline??!
> * It is a fashion show.
> It is more popular among ladies FOR SURE, they are crazy like anything.
> Clean movie. About wedding, (one more woman gets to ride high on a poor guy
> FOR LIFE! :-) ), LOTS of dress changes.
i cannot imagine why?! do ladies generally like to see movies about weddings?
God forbid, for if the Bollywood moguls only knew this, they would introduce
lengthy marriage sequences into each new film!! or maybe the overdose of
sentimentality appeals to the fairer sex.
> In comes a neat refresher, a
> movie about NOTHING, just sit around and see bunch of HAPPY GRINNING FACES,
> grinning about 'OOOOH Samadhanji, nice smile!' Have you ever pictured that in
> traditional Indian atmospheres? I haven't, not even in cities.
sure, those who liked HAHK apparently cannot get enough of the sight of
Madhuri's (or Salman's) smiles. and boy, do they get plenty of that! but
i cannot imagine that audiences would flock to this movie for only that
reason. life has always been troubled, no reason to assume that it is
worse today than before. i still think that the success of this movie
was more of a backlash to the usual violent stuff.
> In between came Sholay. (Please don't jump to my throats!)
> Different type. Really. Dacoits had been before, so had inspectors and good
> baddies like Jay and Veeru.
> This time, the terror was intense, depiction was more close up (hands
> chopped, family shot, bodies in view for some time, slow sad,
> adrenalin-producing music). Slow dialogues of Gabbar flaring in explosions,
> trecherous small-talk (Arey o Kaliya!) were all high-drama.
> But that does not make Sholay a great movie either. Show it someone TODAY,
> someone who has not heard the glory of it, and you may not get the same
> reaction. it IS the time of release too, that effects teh success.
i have to disagree with the bit about Sholay. is this movie great only because
it was released at a certain time? NO! the movie adapts a Hollywood tale or
two, but provides it a distinct Indian touch. the intensity, the dialogues,
even the comic interludes.. they were all superb! above all, the movie was
cohesive.., each character was built up well. not like some of the
multi-starrers of the 80s, where each "superhero" vied for screen time, the
result of which was a senseless mish-mash.
i am willing to wager that the 90s generation would love Sholay, if they
had not seen it before, even without all the hype.
Widders
..the reason it's not on video is because ALL the distributors were
worried that this movie might actually fail, with 14 songs in it and not
one single gun....you know?...and now distributors are scrambling in order
to pick it up...my bet.. Video Sound will get it...
Z. U. Khan
> What ten years from now we can tell our children or grandchildren that
> what "Dikatana" means. Or maybe we can show that Salman Khan was even in
> that film. Noway can we compare this film to "Sholay." Atleast majority
> were proud of having so dominant figures like Gabbar Signh, Thakkur Saab
> or even Basaanti. And for the mighty cast check out Dharmendra and
> Amitabh to top it all with the final punch.
** Consider Hema, Dharam and Amitji travelling in a Tanga, with Dharam
going ga-ga over Hema.
Hema: "Yoon to log kahtay hain, wah re Basanti.. blah blah.. tum hamara
naam nahin pucho ge?"
Amit (nonchalantly): "Tumhara naam kya hai, Basanti?"
Just this dialogue alone is worth 100 times the "comedy/feel good value"
of a stupid film like Hum Aapke Hain Kaun. That's all I have to say.
On my trip to India, the rickshawalahs and paanwaalahs loved HAHK. People
in this part of the world who think HAHK is superior to Sholay ought to
get themselves checked and altogether give up studies. They're much better
off in that part of the world with the truck drivers on constant bhaang :)
Zaki "Boggles My Mind..." Khan
Shah Ratilal
Why are you people considering HAKHK as a movie when it is an unedited
MARRIAGE VIDEO?
-RAHUL SHAH
Akash Ashok Shringi
REPLIED BY ROLONKSI: ( op from manila )
YES..THIS IS BASICALLY A FREKIN MARRIGE MOVIE WITH 14 SONGS. I RATHER
WATCH MY SISTERS MARRIAGE, ATLEAST WE CAN ACT BETTER THAN SALMAN KHAN.
I THINK ANDAZ APNA APNA WAS BASED ON A TRUE STORY. SALMAN KHAN ONLY DID
THE MOVIE IN FIVE MINUTES. HE JUST WOKE UP FROM BED AND CAME BACK HOME.
YES...IT'S SO FUN 20 YEARS WE TELL OUR KIDS THAT SALMAN KHAN WAS IN HUM
APKE HAIN KOUN...WHAT RUBBISH IS THIS...WOW..ISN'T MADURI TO OLD TO GET
MARRIED. I THINK SHE'S TOO OLD..MAYBE IN HER EARLY THIRTYS. BUT ANYWAYS,
SHE SUCKS LIKE THE MOVIE.
SO MY ADVICE, TRASH THIS MOVIE. IT'S NOT WORTH YOUR TIME BRAGGING ABOUT IT.
WOW "DIKTANA DIKTANA DIKTANA" H'MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?
SHIT I CAN'T EVEN REMEMBER WHATS AFTER THAT LINE...?YEH DOSTI?
NOPE..THATS SHOLSY.
: : ..the reason it's not on video is because ALL the distributors were
Bobby A. Shringi
: akash
: Sivakumar Ravada (rava...@gold.tc.umn.edu) wrote:
: In article <Pine.SV4.3.91.950224083728.4808A-100000@unicorn>,
: B Singh <eey...@unicorn.ccc.nottingham.ac.uk> wrote:
: > I think the movie can easily be summarised to three parts...the
: >first, the marriage(2 hours),the second the death(1 hour) and finally the
: >main plot in the remainder time...and it seems that finally the main star
: >of the movie was the dog!!
: Back in September 94, I was told this film is the one to see. When I visited
: India in Sept 94, I didn't have time because I was getting married myself ;)
: Now in Dec 94, when I went again, to
: Jaipur, the film was running HOUSE FULL in Raaj Mandir (one of the best in
: Asia, of yonder years, now it is also like every Tom Dick and Harry theatre).
: Bookings in adnavce of a month. I was told by my cousin sisters and all that
: it is a must. We managed 6 tickets!! (thanks to the dadagiri of medical
: students of jaipur) on the SAME day. SO, with so much trouble we went in. I
: HAD to leave it after one hour. Many reasons:
: * It is a wedding cassette, that too, not yours; someone else's!
: * The cast behaves as if the audience is a little kid and they (the
: cast) have to keep the audience distracted and happy: all the
: kootchie-koo, gili-gili-gili-goooo stuff. Elders acting like
: teenager flirts (Alok nath? and Anupam Kher, good actor stupid
: role)
: * The story line is: we have a grown up girl. You a grown up boy.
: Come in your best clothes and hang around for ladies' sangeet.
: (it is not even high in emotions like Barsat ki Raat.)
: See, I have this wonderful Kanjevaram Saree,
: ---SONG---
: OOOOH! you have such nice Benarasi.
: ---SONG---
: AHA! Look at that devil-of-a-cute-Salman in that
: dashing shirt from ChiragDin! --QUICK SONG-- AND looooook at
: his shoes!
: --Shall we have.... There goes another song---
: We will get MONEY (maybe DALLARS) for hiding them!
: Oh they are going!?
: -- PLEEEEASE COME BACK WIIIITH my sister that youuuuuuuuu are
: takingggggg away aaaaaaa (sob)(sob)(sob) ---
: * It is a fashion show. When I showed my wedding album to friends, the
: ladies/girls/women always say, SO lets see what is latest fashion in India.
: Same comments about this movie (I am NOT comparing anything OK, ;-) )
: It is more popular among ladies FOR SURE, they are crazy like anything.
: Clean movie. About wedding, (one more woman gets to ride high on a poor guy
: FOR LIFE! :-) ), LOTS of dress changes. Silly flirting of cute guy with
: elderly females AS WELL! (Nothing major okay!) And of course there is our dear
: Madhuri. Ever since 'Ek Do Teen' she has had one dance that makes the movie
: hit. And Honestly, hip movement IN closeup (a suggestive BACKWARD movement,
: with backless blouse) when the
: flower (thrown by Salman) hits her appropriately, and the bass of the
: tabla/pakhawaj going 'DHuuuuuung. O Didddee tera dewar laa laa la'
: That's all it takes for guys (college kids etc) to go NUTS.
: That much I have to grant HAHK.
: Apart from that, fisssss.
: > If there was anything good to be said about the movie it was
: >about the extravagant sets and the clothes...which made it seem like a
: >rather expesive fashion show!!
: Right!
: > I still missed the good old days of having shows the likes of Sholay.
: >Jaane kahaa gaye woh din....For those were the shows that you could
: >appreciate numerous times and still hum tunes of the movies to this very
: >day......
: I guess, comparison of movies can't be made just by # of viewers or revenue
: without seeing the social-economic and time coditions.
: Yonder years, life was still not so fast paced in liberalization, falling
: stereotypical standards of movie (as last 5-6 years), price hike after Gulf
: war HAS changed Indian life, more *worries*. In comes a neat refresher, a
: movie about NOTHING, just sit around and see bunch of HAPPY GRINNING FACES,
: grinning about 'OOOOH Samadhanji, nice smile!' Have you ever pictured that in
: traditional Indian atmospheres? I haven't, not even in cities.
: Yonder years, movies like Dilip's, Dev's (just an example, and ONLY from
: Hindi movies) had not only good songs, etc. they had some really *creative*
: stuff. Highly charged with cute romance/flirting (any DevAnand movie prior to
: 1970), nice dialogues, songs (mostly by known poets), music (need I say more)
: they were a piece of art (from dramtics point of view as well) you could sit
: and discuss many aspects of them.
: In between came Sholay. (Please don't jump to my throats!)
: Different type. Really. Dacoits had been before, so had inspectors and good
: baddies like Jay and Veeru.
: This time, the terror was intense, depiction was more close up (hands
: chopped, family shot, bodies in view for some time, slow sad,
: adrenalin-producing music). Slow dialogues of Gabbar flaring in explosions,
: trecherous small-talk (Arey o Kaliya!) were all high-drama.
: Nice comedy, more of city type, and it appeals to many city generations.
: Earlier movies invariably had a higher flavor of *tradition* (prior to 70)
: Among the movies after 70, Sholay was the first mega-hit (Bobby for a totally
: different reason).
: But that does not make Sholay a great movie either. Show it someone TODAY,
: someone who has not heard the glory of it, and you may not get the same
: reaction. it IS the time of release too, that effects teh success.
: Like novels, it is universality of teh emotions/events in teh narration that
: make it immortal (along with the style of narration of course)
: My 0.02
: Thank you, thank you. I bow to thee.
: Shashikant Joshi
Akash Ashok Shringi
Prakash Seth
>
> REPLIED BY ROLONKSI: ( op from manila )
>
>
> YES..THIS IS BASICALLY A FREKIN MARRIGE MOVIE WITH 14 SONGS. I RATHER
> WATCH MY SISTERS MARRIAGE, ATLEAST WE CAN ACT BETTER THAN SALMAN KHAN.
I agree with Akash. HUM APKE HAIN KAUN is totally braindead. Where in
hell is the story? Now, I am no movie connoisseur but that movie was
not made for people with IQs over 10. Somebody is getting married...
oooh...that is a new idea. It was just made to show off the pretty
dresses and crap like that, enough to entertain the thickheaded
masses. Now I will use this film to tell my kids what not to watch.
Prakash.
Sivakumar Ravada
Jagat Mavani <mav...@watson.ibm.com> wrote:
>|>
>|> Why are you people considering HAKHK as a movie when it is an unedited
>|> MARRIAGE VIDEO?
>|>
>|> -RAHUL SHAH
>
>Salman and Madhuri. People who think that it is a great video are suffering
>from some severe psychological problems.
>
>-Jagat Mavani.
NO, no, no Jagat! You HAVE to grant, it is a great VIDEO, a great wedding
video, better than ANY WEDDING video I have seen (except for mine of course,
but that is sheer bias on my part ). Such extravagant sets remind me of the
not-seen-by-me-wedding-of-Scindhias!
Anyway, couldn't help putting this one in before the topic closed officially.
Shashikant Joshi
Jagat Mavani
|> Why are you people considering HAKHK as a movie when it is an unedited
|> MARRIAGE VIDEO?
|>
|> -RAHUL SHAH
I agree with you completely. We should stop discussing this wedding video of
Hoor P Sadwani
LIKE THE MOVIE ARE ALL DICKHEADS AND ALL DUMSHIT. FUCK OFF!!!
PRAKASH H.
hah Ratilal
(ra...@osuunx.ucc.okstate.edu) wrote:
: In article <Pine.HPP.3.91.95022...@ac852.wfunet.wfu.edu>,
FilmWallah
the highest grossing Indian film in the U.S. where I screened it last
week.