Aaja Nachle controversy
Artnut
I wonder what is it with people that they get hot under the collar with
anything they feel hurt their sentiments.
News is that some Dalit groups in India are apparently upset with some
lyrics used in this unrealeased, much awaited Madhuri Dixit/Yashraj film
Aaja Nachle.
I do not exactly know what part of the lyrics got the goat of the dalits.
More news awaited.
Btw, I remember when RDB was composing Hare Ram Hare Krishna's dum maaro
dum, Dev Anand was apprehensive that such lyrics associated with Hindu gods
might trigger protests but RDB boosted his confidence.
One can say Choli ke pichhe kya hai from Khalnayak generated much
controversy since the lyrics alluded to women's anatomy.
I heard that another early 80's song, I think the actor was Shammi Kapoor
film with the song Saat saheliyan khadi khadi also was subject to
controversy.
Does anyone here can recall other such controversial lyrics affecting--
targetting any specific group, religion, govt, famous individual?
Regards,
Arty.
shooganpr...@yahoo.co.in
UP Government has just banned the film and Mayawati is also demanding
an all India ban.
Regards
Sukesh
Afzal A. Khan
Some years back, there was a song in AB's film "Hum", which
had some lines like "Jumma, chumma de de". There were some
protests in certain quarters, but nothing much came of it. It
was also suggested that the protests were not genuine --- they
were orchestrated by people connected with another film released
around the same time. This (latter) film had a similar sort of
tune, something like "tamma tamma lo ge". {It seems both songs
had a common source.}
But there is another (maybe unrelated) point where I found
Madhuri Dixit's attitude disappointing. She seems to act like a
very superior being these days. In a recent TV programme, she
narrated how the choreographer Vaibhavi Merchant was so much
awed by her, when approached for providing the Dance Direction in
this movie. So much so that she was stammering in awe all the
time. In Madhuri's own words, "she (VM) kept stammering 'Ma'am,
Ma'am' all the time. Then I saw her showing some steps and
decided she was suitable for the film". The condescending tone
of her statement (and the accompanying snicker) was very very
obvious.
If someone teaches you dance steps or some sargam
notes etc., she is like your Guru. The least you can do is not
to ridicule that person in the eyes of the multitude who watch
TV programmes. But, then again, I am too old-fashioned.
Afzal
Rakesh Sharma
> But there is another (maybe unrelated) point where I found
> Madhuri Dixit's attitude disappointing. She seems to act like a
> very superior being these days. In a recent TV programme, she
> narrated how the choreographer Vaibhavi Merchant was so much
> awed by her, when approached for providing the Dance Direction in
> this movie. So much so that she was stammering in awe all the
> time. In Madhuri's own words, "she (VM) kept stammering 'Ma'am,
> Ma'am' all the time. Then I saw her showing some steps and
> decided she was suitable for the film". The condescending tone
> of her statement (and the accompanying snicker) was very very
> obvious.
>
> If someone teaches you dance steps or some sargam
> notes etc., she is like your Guru. The least you can do is not
> to ridicule that person in the eyes of the multitude who watch
> TV programmes. But, then again, I am too old-fashioned.
>
> Afzal
Au contraire, I thought she was extremely down to earth in every one
of the interviews she has done, acknowledging Vaibhavi's inputs as
being central to the film. She has maintained that a professional
approach to her career, being non controversial throughout her
illustrious career, loving what she has done for so long and always
having the blessings of the god she believes in and her parents have
been responsible for her to be where she is. And let's face it, true
to most accolades she has received, there hasn't quite been anybody in
Indian film industry, who has been as complete a package as Madhuri
Dixit. without there being deficiencies in any department, be it
acting or dancing or body language or screen presence.
This is a little off-topic for RMIM, I agree, but to me, as I am sure
it is to most people, she is the most accomplished and complete
actress Hindi cinema has seen in all its existence.
Cheers
Rakesh.
djame...@hotmail.com
I wonder why she bothered at the age of 40 with 2 kids and an american
lifestyle. the obvious plastic surgery on her face has not helped. at
least not as bad as rekha in parineeta. that was really painful.
james
Artnut
<shooganpr...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message
news:41f7e08b-3143-4e8a...@s8g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
Aja Nachle's director Anil Mehta called a press conference and acknowledged
the prompt response of Mayawati or the UP govt to lift the ban, after some
objectionable lyrics were deleted. What the exact offending part was, no
news on it yet. However, the ban has now spread to Punjab and Haryana with
no sign of it relenting.
Arty.
Artnut
"Artnut" <a...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:firvno$bhv$1...@aioe.org...
The lyrics that apparently got the goat of the dalits is as follows.
O nach le nach le mere yaar tu nach le
Abb to luta hai bazar.
[Mene galti kari thi
Meri nathni padi thi ]2
Ki sone mein usko ranga gai
Mein ranga ke atariya pe aa gai
Mohale mein kaise mara mar hai
Bole mochi bhi khud ko sonar hai
Mochi is the caste of the shoemakers. I think in some parts in northen India
its known as Raidas, referring to their saint Rohidas. In Maharashtra or in
Bombay one can see Rohidas's frame displayed in the mochi's shop.
I think the lyrics here probably was alluding to the proverb Kauwa chala
hans ki chaal.
Regards,
Arty.
Surjit Singh
http://youtube.com/watch?v=xzyBw_W12Yo
at about 2:21
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> Arty.
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--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
Animesh K
> Ki sone mein usko ranga gai
> Mein ranga ke atariya pe aa gai
> Mohale mein kaise mara mar hai
> Bole mochi bhi khud ko sonar hai
>
> Mochi is the caste of the shoemakers. I think in some parts in northen India
> its known as Raidas, referring to their saint Rohidas. In Maharashtra or in
> Bombay one can see Rohidas's frame displayed in the mochi's shop.
>
Neither Mochi nor Sunaar is a caste. They are professions. Mayawati is a
fool and people electing her are bigger fools.
Animesh K
>
> I wonder why she bothered at the age of 40 with 2 kids and an american
> lifestyle. the obvious plastic surgery on her face has not helped. at
> least not as bad as rekha in parineeta. that was really painful.
> james
People tend to miss or fret over what they don't have.
shooganpr...@yahoo.co.in
Udit Raj, a dalit leader, raked up this controversy and Mayawati to be
one up on him banned the film to 'steal the thunder from him" (as
confirrmed by Udit Raj himself on TV).
The games these "leaders" play, it sucks.
Regards
Sukesh.
Artnut
"Animesh K" <anime...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Hi Animesh, although your name sounds Indian but I wonder if you have ever
lived in India or perhaps you are far removed from the ground realities that
plague the Indian society.
Agreed that mochi or chamaar and sunar, the goldsmith are professions but
isn't caste based on profession? I remember when Sushil Kumar Shinde was
elected the CM of Maharashtra, the so-called leader of the reader, Times of
India "informed" the whole world that SKS was from the Dhor community. Now
Dhor is one who take the hides/skin from the dead animal carcasses. The
lyricist Piyush Mishra and director Anil Mehta of Aja Nachle say they
"didn't intend to hurt anyone" but so did M F Husain who painted Hindu gods
in the nude and Taslima Nasreen. I think when controversy erupts, everyone
says they never intended to offend/hurt anyone. The contours defining
freedom of expression are blurred. One man's freedom of speech can be
another's insult.
Let's admit that both the so-called uppercastes are unwilling to give up
their superiority and the so-called dalits are blissfully rejoicing in their
so-called inferiority.
Sorry if this has stretched a far too bit from what RMIM essentially is
about. Meanwhile, lets enjoy the beauty of music.
Arty.
saifz...@gmail.com
hey afzal you are not old fashioned and Madhuri is never ever proud
she is the most
humble person ever in bollywood, in 5 months she has become close
friend with vaibhabi, konkona, kunal etc.
and what she is telling is ture Vaibhabi did not mind at all, and
actually vaibhabi was completely in awe of her, watch star plus
interview of vaibhabi
in youtube,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muQA9NECzgg
Madhuri is never proud and you are talking without knowing about her.
shooganpr...@yahoo.co.in
> Madhuri is never proud and you are talking without knowing about her.
In spite of Madhuri, the film has bombed all over the country. It
seems the collections are just 20-25% in the first week itself.
Regards
Sukesh
Animesh K
> "Animesh K" <anime...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:fisobt$1cq$1...@agate.berkeley.edu...
>> Artnut wrote:
>>
>>> Ki sone mein usko ranga gai
>>> Mein ranga ke atariya pe aa gai
>>> Mohale mein kaise mara mar hai
>>> Bole mochi bhi khud ko sonar hai
>>>
>>> Mochi is the caste of the shoemakers. I think in some parts in northen
>>> India its known as Raidas, referring to their saint Rohidas. In
>>> Maharashtra or in Bombay one can see Rohidas's frame displayed in the
>>> mochi's shop.
>>>
>> Neither Mochi nor Sunaar is a caste. They are professions. Mayawati is a
>> fool and people electing her are bigger fools.
>
> Hi Animesh, although your name sounds Indian but I wonder if you have ever
> lived in India or perhaps you are far removed from the ground realities that
> plague the Indian society.
Ground reality is one thing and logic is another. I've been born and
brought up in India, but it is time we ponder less about these
differentiations and act more to remove these ills from the mind of
people. Next time when someone brags about castes in India, give him/her
a talisman of professional stratification. (E.g., Some Brahmans still
sweep in pedestrian bathrooms while some intelligent dalits are doing
PhD. and doing research.)
> Agreed that mochi or chamaar and sunar, the goldsmith are professions but
> isn't caste based on profession? I remember when Sushil Kumar Shinde was
> elected the CM of Maharashtra, the so-called leader of the reader, Times of
> India "informed" the whole world that SKS was from the Dhor community. Now
> Dhor is one who take the hides/skin from the dead animal carcasses.
Well that's the problem. We are mochi, chamar, sunaar, brahman, north
indian, south indian, first and then we are engineers, doctors,
teachers, armyman, etc. All these have been infused in our blood since
time unknown, perhaps starting approximately from Mughal or Slave
Dynasty Era.
> The
> lyricist Piyush Mishra and director Anil Mehta of Aja Nachle say they
> "didn't intend to hurt anyone"
We know how lyrics are today :-). It is best if banal things are left
banal.
> but so did M F Husain who painted Hindu gods in the nude
MFH did that on purpose. That's why he ran away to UK and UAE to live.
Now that he thinks UPA's Womanmohan Singh can give him enough
protection, he is talking of coming back. His problem is that he
repeatedly draws nudes and says he wasn't aware that it will hurt others.
And he is not painting Hindu Gods as such, just some mimicry. God (as
per our books is uncharacterized). But still it is worth a revolt.
> and Taslima Nasreen.
Taslima is writing some facts that she had observed. There is no reason,
whatsoever, why it should be banned, edited, censored, or admonished. If
truth is poison, drink it. No bigots have the courage and go to fix the
problem, but they admonish when someone discusses a problem.
> I think when controversy erupts, everyone
> says they never intended to offend/hurt anyone. The contours defining
> freedom of expression are blurred. One man's freedom of speech can be
> another's insult.
Well truth should be out there for free. That's what is the case of
Taslima. MFH is not sketching truth, and besides he repeatedly draws
nudes of the same subjects for which he was scolded. MFH is a deranged
Fanatic.
> Let's admit that both the so-called uppercastes are unwilling to give up
> their superiority and the so-called dalits are blissfully rejoicing in their
> so-called inferiority.
I doubt this. There was profession based superiority in ancient India
and it is still there in the world. Who mapped professions to castes for
dividing the masses is unclear. Perhaps it was done by Mughals. Perhaps
by the slave dynasty rulers. May be it was intensified by the Britons.
And finally Congress reaped the biggest harvest (10000s of crores of
taxed rupees by mishandling power) out of it.
Neither the upper-caste is superior in this mess, nor the dalits. Some
shrewd Bastards are enjoying out of this fiasco.
> Sorry if this has stretched a far too bit from what RMIM essentially is
> about. Meanwhile, lets enjoy the beauty of music.
>
May be, but songs and movies often represent culture and in this case
some song is causing the controversy.
Best,
Animesh
Animesh K
> Udit Raj, a dalit leader, raked up this controversy and Mayawati to be
> one up on him banned the film to 'steal the thunder from him" (as
> confirrmed by Udit Raj himself on TV).
>
Oh this moron gets something to say only on these issues. Can he do
anything constructive?
Last time I heard him speaking was when Duryodhan (Arjun) Singh and
Womanmohan Singh were talking of more reservations.
> The games these "leaders" play, it sucks.
>
Indeed.
Artnut
> Artnut wrote:
>> "Animesh K" <anime...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:fisobt$1cq$1...@agate.berkeley.edu...
>>> Artnut wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ki sone mein usko ranga gai
>>>> Mein ranga ke atariya pe aa gai
>>>> Mohale mein kaise mara mar hai
>>>> Bole mochi bhi khud ko sonar hai
>>>>
>>>> Mochi is the caste of the shoemakers. I think in some parts in northen
>>>> India its known as Raidas, referring to their saint Rohidas. In
>>>> Maharashtra or in Bombay one can see Rohidas's frame displayed in the
>>>> mochi's shop.
>>>>
>>> Neither Mochi nor Sunaar is a caste. They are professions. Mayawati is a
>>> fool and people electing her are bigger fools.
>>
>> Hi Animesh, although your name sounds Indian but I wonder if you have
>> ever lived in India or perhaps you are far removed from the ground
>> realities that plague the Indian society.
>
> Ground reality is one thing and logic is another. I've been born and
> brought up in India, but it is time we ponder less about these
> differentiations and act more to remove these ills from the mind of
> people. Next time when someone brags about castes in India, give him/her a
> talisman of professional stratification. (E.g., Some Brahmans still sweep
> in pedestrian bathrooms while some intelligent dalits are doing PhD. and
> doing research.)
>
Hi Animesh,
If there were any category that pertains to non-belief in irrational things,
I would happily nominate you as my choice. I am indeed glad to know some one
like you who thinks beyond caste or any such lines that divides us. Trust me
when I say you are one of the rare species! My experience has been quite the
contrary as I have known people in the higher echelons of the society whose
mindset is still illiterate with their intransigent beliefs in stupid
things.
>> Agreed that mochi or chamaar and sunar, the goldsmith are professions but
>> isn't caste based on profession? I remember when Sushil Kumar Shinde was
>> elected the CM of Maharashtra, the so-called leader of the reader, Times
>> of India "informed" the whole world that SKS was from the Dhor community.
>> Now Dhor is one who take the hides/skin from the dead animal carcasses.
>
> Well that's the problem. We are mochi, chamar, sunaar, brahman, north
> indian, south indian, first and then we are engineers, doctors, teachers,
> armyman, etc. All these have been infused in our blood since time unknown,
> perhaps starting approximately from Mughal or Slave Dynasty Era.
>
This reminds me of Sahir Ludhianvi's(?) Tu Hindu Banega na Mussalmaan
banega, insaan ki aulaad hai, insaan banega from Dhool Ka Phool. Remember in
Raja Hindustani when Karishma asks why Aamir has such a weird name as Raja
Hindustani, he replies that memsahab, hamare desh main har koi hindu hai
mussalmaan hai, bass koi hindustani nahi hai ??Please correct if the
dialogue is wrong here.
>
>> Sorry if this has stretched a far too bit from what RMIM essentially is
>> about. Meanwhile, lets enjoy the beauty of music.
>>
>
> May be, but songs and movies often represent culture and in this case some
> song is causing the controversy.
>
> Best,
> Animesh
Meanwhile, I hope the lyrics and music continues to unite all humans
irrespective of their religious adherence.
Regards,
Arty
quarkLore
change even days after ban, apologies and revocation. Do they think
that Indians go to cinema more than listening to Radio, why was the
ban only on movie prints?