Pakistani film people who started before 1947
Surjit Singh
Here is a list according to
http://www.mazhar.dk/film/history/40s/1947.htm
A.R.Kardar (actor/director) Daughters of Today 1924
M. Ismael (actor) Daughters of Today 1924
Rafiq Ghaznavi (musician) Heer Ranjha 1932
Ghulam Mohammad (actor) Madhuri 1933
Zahoor Shah (actor) Majnoo 1935 1933
Mukhtar Begum (singer/actress) Naveli Dulhan 1933
Noor Mohammad Charlie (comedian) Nadra 1933
A. Shah Shikarpuri (comedian) Fadaye Toheed 1934
Nazir (actor/director) Aab-e-Hayyat 1934
Master Ghulam Haidar (musician) Sanjog ki Seerhi 1935
Najmul Hassan (actor) Jawani ki hawa 1935
Noor Jehan (singer/actress) Pind di Kurri 1935
S.M. Yousuf (director) Bharat ka Laal 1935
Rekha (actress) Neela 1935
Kumar (actor) Hamari Betian 1936
Ajay Kumar (actor) Mard ka Bacha 1936
G.A.Chishti (musician) Sohni Mehinwal 1937
Agha Salim Raza (actor) Gul Bakawli 1939
Ajmal (actor) Gul Bakawli 1939
Khursheed Anwar (musician) Kurmai 1940
Gul Zaman (actor) Mard-e-Punjab 1940
Najam Naqvi (director) Puttar Millan 1940
Zahoor Raja (actor) Pooja 1940
Majeed (actor) Sandesa 1940
Ragni (actress) Himmat 1940
W.Z. Ahmad (director) Ek Raat 1942
Masood Pervez (actor/director) Mangti 1942
Shoukat Hussain Rizvi (director) Khandan 1942
Hamaliya Wala (actor) Kis ki Bivi 1942
M. Sadiq (director) Namastey 1943
Sheikh Iqbal (actor) Champa 1945
Sharif Nayyar (director) Laila Majnu 1945
Rasheed Attre (musician) Sheerin Farhad 1945
Meena Shori (actress) Rutt Rangeeli 1945
Asha Posley (actress) Champa 1945
Renuka Devi (actress) Ghulami 1945
Feroz Nizami (musician) Ammar Raj 1946
Master Inayat Hussain (musician) Kamli 1946
Luqman (director) Hamjoli 1946
Nisar Bazmi (musician) Jamna Paar 1946
Nashaad (musician) Dildar 1947
Nasreen (actress) Ek Roz 1947
Shah Nawaz (actor) Elan 1947
Sudhir (actor) Farz 1947
Santosh (actor) Ahensa 1947
Rehana (actress) Saajan 1947
Talish (actor) Saraye ke baad 1947
Ilyas Kashmiri (actor) Malka 1947
Tufail Farooqi (musician) Dekho Jee 1947
Fateh Ali Khan (musician) Director 1947
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Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
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waters of cine music".
Bus,is baat pey tumhari 'degrees' maar khaa jaati hai !
Yeh baat haqeekat hai, bhaley aap ke coterie kuchh bhi kahen,kyun ki
woh bhi aap ki tarah shallow waters mein hain.
Kasoor na aap ka na unka....bus,utnaa hi diya hai ooperwale ney aap
logon ke liye.
All in good humour please....and no hard feelings!
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14/1
Surjit Singh
questions. They were asked from you a very long time ago. All in good
humor please, no hard or soft feelings!
Here we go:
This is repost:
And in case the all-knowing, great, wise and humankindloving JAY has
forgotten, here are the questions again:
Who has rendered chala ja musafir chala ja in Aasra (1941)?
Who has rendered bharat ki vidhva dukhiyari in Abla (1941)?
Who has rendered dukh door hua sukh aayaa in Abla Ki Shakti?
Who has rendered saj le ri singar guiyaanc in Akela?
Who has rendered rindon ki mehfil men aayi fasle bahar hai in Alladin
Laila?
Who has rendered matvale mere shyam in Amrit (1941)?
Who has rendered mora pihu pihu man bole in Bahen?
Who has rendered zulf bakhere kaun aya hai in Bulbule Baghdad?
Who has rendered teri mithi baje sitar in Chandan?
If you do not know answers to these, you do not know anything.
End of repost.
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Have you heard the songs of ABLA (41) any time ? Have you seen the 78s
of ABLA anytime with anyone.If so, tell me the record nos.If you have
seen it with anyone ask that chap to contact me.I will give him the
reply appropriately.And if that chap thinks himself clever and says he
has it in his possesion,kindly arrange to send a zerox copy of the
label of the record.I jhaven't seen the movie,honestly.
The same holds good for ABLA KI SHAKTI and ALLADIN LAILA.
I have the records of AKELA; BAHEN;CHANDAN;AMRIT...its there present
with BCSP.
I do not wish to tell you alone the answers of all these songs.If I
tell, it will be to all.and everyone on this forum Why should I
tell.Take the trouble of paying the price involved in seeking the
answers.
If BCSP could set a precedent succesfully,why not the DIEHARD... in
furnishing the relevant data asked from you. !!!
Though I have heard BULBULE BAGHDAD songs myself on record but do not
have the record
Kuchhh paaney ke liye (not money); kuchh khona padtaa hai ya keemat
chukaani padti hai.Sirf likhneysey kuchh nahi hota jee.
Saboot chahiye.....jaise humney aap sey guzarish kee hai,waisey hi,
haan !
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14/1
Surjit Singh
Excellent! Now go write a book.
Have you had a chance to study the Geet Kosh volume that an RMIMer sent
you?
I am sure you have lots of missing info. Write a book to benefit humankind.
Surjit Singh
Surjit Singh wrote:
>
> Excellent! Now go write a book.
>
> Have you had a chance to study the Geet Kosh volume that an RMIMer sent
> you?
> I am sure you have lots of missing info. Write a book to benefit humankind.
>
Just in case some pepole think I am not serious, here is my offer to
Jay. Write a book on Hindi movies. A committee of RMIMers selected by
you will look at it and decide if it is worth publishing. If they say
yes, I will pay all expenses of printing and publishing 500 copies of
the book. You decide the price. All the money from sales of these 500
copies goes to you. OK.
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concealing or putting up things with double meaning.... without
committing 100% to the issue concerned openly.When I talk and do things
straight,you have to reciprocate in a similar fashion....and not use
your better off resources (whatever they be in any form ) to decimate
the issue.No third person can interfere .If at all any one desires
to,he/she has to advise the same accordingly HERE on this forum.
I am not a writer or a publisher basically.There are many available
everywhere waiting to make a quick buck(s). I AM NOT AT ALL INTERESTED
IN EARNING MONEY ! And why should I write??? Why? For whom ? For what
purpose ??
BCSP is/has been producing authentic documentation every Sunday since
15.08.2005 for its craving,repeat: craving bhaktas.Are you craving ?
Are your bhakt friends craving? How many RMIMers on this forum are
craving to know more and more of lilttle and little? And if at all
there are any...what followup actions have been taken by the
respectives concerned to achieve their goals in the field of Indian
cine music.Pleas come forward openly and express your views/opinions.
All are just mum...just mum.Kahan sey laayenge bichaarey!
Kuchh andherey mein nazar aata nahi,
Koi tara raah dikhlata nahi (including LAXMI) !
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Surjit Singh wrote:
> Surjit Singh wrote:
>
> >
> > Excellent! Now go write a book.
> >
> > Have you had a chance to study the Geet Kosh volume that an RMIMer sent
> > you?
> > I am sure you have lots of missing info. Write a book to benefit humankind.
> >
>
> Just in case some pepole think I am not serious, here is my offer to
> Jay. Write a book on Hindi movies. A committee of RMIMers selected by
> you will look at it and decide if it is worth publishing. If they say
> yes, I will pay all expenses of printing and publishing 500 copies of
> the book. You decide the price. All the money from sales of these 500
> copies goes to you. OK.
>
You tell your guru sitting there in 'sanyas'. He would be a better bet
with inputs from your website.
Money is out of my system,please.Sirf khushion ko baantna hai un
tammaam bhakt-janon ko jo (even a single person comes,my mission is
complete).
I (not Jay or BCSP) am the SONG; I am the WORDS; I am the TUNE/MELODY;
I am the SINGER(S); & I am the LISTENER(S).
Sub USKE charnon mein sonp diya hai...sub kuchh. Sirf uska 'aashirwad'
sey sub chal raha hai.
Rest you know.
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15/1
Surjit Singh
=BCSP= wrote:
> Which RMIMer? Tell his name openly. You have this clever habit of
Jay, you misunderstood. Go back and read again. I said you JAY will
choose the RMIMers, not me.
> concealing or putting up things with double meaning.... without
>
> =BCSP=
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Can you provide me zeroxed labeled record number of any ABLA or ABLA
KI SHAKTI songs ? Even if anyone of your friend has them....let me
know.But it must be there for reference.
How far can the diehard venture.Let this forum see for themselves.
The same question you too can pose me....no problem !
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15/1
Surjit Singh
=BCSP= wrote:
> Answer me now.
>
> Can you provide me zeroxed labeled record number of any ABLA or ABLA
> KI SHAKTI songs ? Even if anyone of your friend has them....let me
> know.But it must be there for reference.
I do not have a single record of Hindi Film music.
>
> How far can the diehard venture.Let this forum see for themselves.
>
> The same question you too can pose me....no problem !
>
> =BCSP=
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>
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Surjit Singh
Surjit Singh wrote:
>
>
> =BCSP= wrote:
>
>> Answer me now.
>>
>> Can you provide me zeroxed labeled record number of any ABLA or ABLA
>> KI SHAKTI songs ? Even if anyone of your friend has them....let me
>> know.But it must be there for reference.
>
>
> I do not have a single record of Hindi Film music.
>
I forgot to mention that I have about 10,000 songs (mostly filmi, very
few non-filmi) in analog/digital format, more than half from movies
before 1950 and all of them are going to end up on my website eventually :)
And if and when peole ask me for them, after considering
supaatr/kupaatr, I usually send them completely free of charge and on my
expense :) And I know many people who do exactly the same!
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website.
Now tell me: How much authentic is the info given by him....in general
??? How much has been left out?
Hope Mr.DKM is monitoring...he should in fact react directly !
Take your time...you can even consult your colleagues.
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16/1
Surjit Singh
=BCSP= wrote:
> You have taken so much trouble to reproduce info from Mr.D.K.Mazhars's
> website.
>
> Now tell me: How much authentic is the info given by him....in general
> ??? How much has been left out?
Om Shantih Shantih Shantih.
>
> Hope Mr.DKM is monitoring...he should in fact react directly !
>
> Take your time...you can even consult your colleagues.
>
> =BCSP=
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>
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asi...@my-deja.com
Surjit Singh wrote:
> Hi RMIMers:
>
> Here is a list according to
>
> http://www.mazhar.dk/film/history/40s/1947.htm
>
> A.R.Kardar (actor/director) Daughters of Today 1924
> M. Ismael (actor) Daughters of Today 1924
> Rafiq Ghaznavi (musician) Heer Ranjha 1932
Getting this thread back to the original reason why Prof sahib posted
it.... :-)
Heer Ranjha had Zubeida in the lead role, didn't it? I'm curious about
the music in that film in 1932, since it was just an year after Alam
Ara. Did Rafiz Ghaznavi give the background score or was there "live
singing" as well?
Was Zubeida's mother Fatima Begum the director of Heer Ranjha? [Iirc,
she was the first woman director in India.]
Cheers
Arun
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asi...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Surjit Singh wrote:
> > Hi RMIMers:
> >
> > Here is a list according to
> >
> > http://www.mazhar.dk/film/history/40s/1947.htm
> >
> > A.R.Kardar (actor/director) Daughters of Today 1924
> > M. Ismael (actor) Daughters of Today 1924
> > Rafiq Ghaznavi (musician) Heer Ranjha 1932
>
> Getting this thread back to the original reason why Prof sahib posted
> it.... :-)
>
> Heer Ranjha had Zubeida in the lead role, didn't it? I'm curious about
> the music in that film in 1932, since it was just an year after Alam
> Ara. Did Rafiz Ghaznavi give the background score or was there "live
> singing" as well?
Have you heard Rafik Gaznavi's voice anytime ?
Have you heard any film song of his ?
Can you believe that about the end of 30s-decade he had composed &
directed an orchestra titled: Asiayee Masti for HMV in its studios at
Delhi.Many of our stalwart music composers have to learn much from this
qualified music wizard.He was one of the finest singers of his
time,well versed in classical and he has rendered alongwith
Shamshad/chorus ubder the baton of Gulam Hyder an eight-minute song in
CHAL CHAL REY NAUJAWAN ('44).
Any idea you have ?
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Surjit Singh
=BCSP= wrote:
> asi...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
>>Surjit Singh wrote:
>>
>>>Hi RMIMers:
>>>
>>>Here is a list according to
>>>
>>>http://www.mazhar.dk/film/history/40s/1947.htm
>>>
>>>A.R.Kardar (actor/director) Daughters of Today 1924
>>>M. Ismael (actor) Daughters of Today 1924
>>>Rafiq Ghaznavi (musician) Heer Ranjha 1932
>>
>>Getting this thread back to the original reason why Prof sahib posted
>>it.... :-)
>>
>>Heer Ranjha had Zubeida in the lead role, didn't it? I'm curious about
>>the music in that film in 1932, since it was just an year after Alam
>>Ara. Did Rafiz Ghaznavi give the background score or was there "live
>>singing" as well?
>
>
>
> Have you heard Rafik Gaznavi's voice anytime ?
Kids:
Tell him where the whole world has already heard his voice and all the
songs from this movie :)
Hint:
http://hindi-films-songs.com/najma.html
>
> Have you heard any film song of his ?
>
> Can you believe that about the end of 30s-decade he had composed &
> directed an orchestra titled: Asiayee Masti for HMV in its studios at
> Delhi.Many of our stalwart music composers have to learn much from this
> qualified music wizard.He was one of the finest singers of his
> time,well versed in classical and he has rendered alongwith
> Shamshad/chorus ubder the baton of Gulam Hyder an eight-minute song in
> CHAL CHAL REY NAUJAWAN ('44).
>
> Any idea you have ?
>
> =BCSP+
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>
>
>
>>Was Zubeida's mother Fatima Begum the director of Heer Ranjha? [Iirc,
>>she was the first woman director in India.]
>>
>>Cheers
>>Arun
>
>
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asi...@my-deja.com
Could either one of you please answer my questions? If this was JAM,
both of you would be dinged for deviating from the topic. In case, my
post was unclear, here are the questions again:
1. When Rafiz Ghaznavi is listed as a 'musician' in the 1932 film 'Heer
Ranjha, is it because (a) he composed the music (b) sang it live? I
wrote that since imho, there was no playback singing in 1932. You may
recall that they had the orchestra at the sets, but out of range of the
camera. The acting, singing and orchestration had to be in sync - much
like a play in the theatre. Given such a scenario, what sort of music
did Heer Ranjha have? *
2. Did Zubeida's mother Fatima Begum direct 'Heer Ranjha'?
* Related question - when silent films were exhibited in theatres in
the 1920s, the theatres often had a piano player playing music while
the projector showed the film on the screen. Was it any arbitrary music
that came to his mind or was there a written-down set piece unique for
that film, which was circulated by the producers/distributors? If so,
do any of these sheet music notes survive?
Cheers
Arun
P. S. BCSP, Thanks to the kindness of Vish, I do have a recording of
chal chal re naujawan.
urzun...@yahoo.com
Heer Ranjha 1932 was produced in Lahore and directed by
A R Kardar. It was Lahore's first talki. The leading roles
were done by Anwari Begum of Amritsar and Rafiq Ghaznavi who
was also its music director. It was a flop movie.
urzung khan
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Rafik Gaznavi was a very educated and qualified singer/MD as well as an
actor since the 30s.
In the field of cine music,he had a style of his own,repeat own...as
related to me by his 'shagird': G.M.Durrani.Mind you; I have had the
longest sessions of discussions with GMD in terms of cine music
research few years before his demise.His memory had to be 'revived' by
posing to him a no.of 'musical gems' from BCSP into his ears....why?
for sheer passion.Rest one can imagine.
One has to just hear the KLS song from MY SISTER (the one behind Aye
kaatibe takdir...record) and immdtly hear the RG solo ...sung &composed
by himself from the film: SOCIETY ('45/'46): Dost raha na dushman
janee;haaye,mohabat haaye jawani.....and get the feel of the two
greats.RG by all means had a genre of his own by in rendition.In the
KLS number.the song/tune is 'seedha' while in the other;RG has a
stamp/class of his own,punctuated with 'tiny murkees'.
Thats the unique difference.
Coming to your question,although RG has composed/directed several films
between 1931-40....very many of them hardly got recorded on 78s.
So,unless someone has seen the films,its difficult to comment of those
songs in question. Certainly,his composing styles must have varied from
time to time over the years after HEER SAYAL ('32),taking into
consideration the fact that many of the heroines never had any singing
technique and capacity.
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asi...@my-deja.com
Thanks, Urzung-ji. That answers my question. Thanks also to BCSP for
the details.
Arun
irfan
Saadat Hassan Manto wrote a detailed sketch of
Rafiq Ghaznavi in his book ' Loudspeaker'.
It is a very interesting reading.
Complete Works of Manto are available in
Hindi translation done by Balraj Manra, published in
Delhi.
Regards,
Irfan
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commentator or critic that concerned Cine music prtevailing at that
time. The point of emphasis is: Hows much (quantity) of musical info
on/or about RG can be had as of NOW.How much is available for HEARING
to those really interested ??
Have you or anyone on this NG has a pertinent answer??
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19/1
Loony Tunes
There's plenty available for HEARING and I know where to get it BECAUSE
only the true music lover and connoseiur will know it but not all those
shallow adh jal ghagri type persons. No..I will not tell you where to
get it from.
>
> =BCSP=
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irfan
raatein thein chandani joban pey thi bahar -
sung by Rafiq Ghaznavi.
Regards
Irfan
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Which film is it ?
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20/1
kiran....@rediffmail.com
It's a duet Amir Bai - Rafeeq Gh , film Mera Sajan - 1941
Music - Khan Mastana . Is available on indianscreen CD's .
p
irfan
Mr. BCSP,
Here is the CD which has this song :
http://www.searchamovie.com/cdcatalog/amir_bai_karnataki_rarecollection.htm
Regards,
Irfan
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By the way, since it is recorded on a CD;kindly let me know how can you
be so sure that the duet was composed by KM only(unless the record
label indicates ), and not by VKN ! Remember,VKN was the prime MD in
that film & KM second. More salvos after receiving your reply.
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21/1
Surjit Singh
=BCSP= wrote:
So, that's it! That's your BIG research! Read the record label. Jesus
Christ.
Actual researches like Nerurkar actually use at least three sources of
information.
>
> =BCSP=
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back....however,upon your suggestion....my acknowledgemnt for the
'shishya' too !
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everywhere on this earth.I do not dispute your integrity in your field
and niether of others. But when it comes down to Indian cine
music...hard core Indian cine music....you are far far behind lagging
NOW;after you have uttered VN's name.
Do not ask me why? Make a thorough introspection assisted by your
coterie if needed. (please treat the latter statement as re-iterated)
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22/1
Abhay Jain
"Surjit Singh" <surjit...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:43f44tF...@individual.net...
>
>
> =BCSP= wrote:
>
>> When I hear it, I will reply accordingly.
>>
>> By the way, since it is recorded on a CD;kindly let me know how can you
>> be so sure that the duet was composed by KM only(unless the record
>> label indicates ), and not by VKN ! Remember,VKN was the prime MD in
>> that film & KM second. More salvos after receiving your reply.
>
> So, that's it! That's your BIG research! Read the record label. Jesus
> Christ.
First Jay changed his religion and "got buried"
and now you. "Sansarg Ja Guna Dosh Bhavanti".
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BCSP is immune to criticisms.
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