Does Lata avoid certain music directors?
ra...@homemail.com
I was told that Lata Mangeshkar has not yet sung a song for
Nadeem-Shravan. Is it true? Are there other such music directors?
It seems Lata wants to avoid Nadeem Shravan.
Or it could be other way round, just as C. Ramchandra and OP Nayyar
preferred Asha over Lata. But I think they never totally avoided Lata. One
can provide some songs as evidence to prove it.
But I could not find any such evidence for Nadeem Shravan.
Also, I heard that Laxmikant Pyarelal have not recorded a song with Kumar
Sanu. Duo are Rafi fan and would prefer Rafi clones Mohd. Aziz and Shabbir
Kumar. Maybe thats why Subhash Ghai had to go for Nadeem Shravan since
Ghai may have liked Kumar Sanu's voice. I agree. Pardes' "dil mil rahe
hain" is much better than "A G O G" of Ram Lakhan.
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Rahul,
ra...@homemail.com wrote:
>
> I was told that Lata Mangeshkar has not yet sung a song for
> Nadeem-Shravan. Is it true? Are there other such music directors?
> It seems Lata wants to avoid Nadeem Shravan.
>
Lata has sung for Nadeem-Shravan.
> Or it could be other way round, just as C. Ramchandra and OP Nayyar
> preferred Asha over Lata. But I think they never totally avoided Lata. One
> can provide some songs as evidence to prove it.
>
OP Nayyar does not have a single Lata song. C. Ramchandra was a
Lata-bhakt and was in fact in love with Lata. He almost always used
Lata until Lata stopped singing for him when he refused to marry her.
He was already married when he and Lata met and fell in love.
Cheers,
Anil
S. Saxena
On Thu, 21 Aug 1997 ra...@homemail.com wrote:
> I was told that Lata Mangeshkar has not yet sung a song for
> Nadeem-Shravan. Is it true? Are there other such music directors?
> It seems Lata wants to avoid Nadeem Shravan.
>
I guess so.. I can understand that.. after working with the great MDs like
Naushad, Anil Biswas, CR, SDB, etc etc..who would want to work with N-S??
Also, until Yeh Dillagi, she had never ever sung a duet with Sanu.. also
after that the only song that i heard with Sanu was "sambdhi-samdhan" song
from HAHK.
I remember that there had been only one movie before Yeh Dillagi that had
LM and Sanu singing, but not together,.. that was Maya Memsaab.. where all
songs are lata solos, and there is Sanu's solo .. Ik haseen nigaha ka..
(which apparently is in LM's voice too)
> Also, I heard that Laxmikant Pyarelal have not recorded a song with Kumar
> Sanu. Duo are Rafi fan and would prefer Rafi clones Mohd. Aziz and Shabbir
> Kumar. Maybe thats why Subhash Ghai had to go for Nadeem Shravan since
> Ghai may have liked Kumar Sanu's voice. I agree. Pardes' "dil mil rahe
> hain" is much better than "A G O G" of Ram Lakhan.
Subhash Ghai is a very erratic person.. I don't take any of his moves as
sensible and reflecting some person's exceptional abilities.. Since hero,
he had AP singing all the songs except one, which would be in LM's voice..
be it Ramji bada dukh deena or Nahin rukti nahin rukti teri yaad aati
hai.. then in Saudagar he replaced Ap with KK (which was due to some of
AP's own decisions about singing only for T-Series). But it was good that
he replaced a good voice with a better one. Then came his KHALNAYAK, where
LM was totally out and all the songs were sung in the shrieky-AY's voice..
Now just replacing KK with AY does not make AY a better singer (IMO).
In case, LP did not like Sanu so much that they gave up their loyalist
Ghai's movie, I must say.. BRAVO!!! I appreciate that.. Cos I was really
hurt badly when RDB worked with Sanu in 1942.. That just goes on to show
that LP still do what they like and they are not puppets in the hands of
directors!! They still do what they think is right for quality music
Actually, this Sanu phenomenon is very similar to GRESHAM's LAW in
Economics.. which says "Bad money drives the good money out of the
economy.".. So bad singers like sanu and AY have driven good singers like
Amit, SS, Wadekar, KK, Sadhna Sargam out of the industry...
Bunty
SS>Also, until Yeh Dillagi, she had never ever sung a duet with Sanu.. also
SS>after that the only song that i heard with Sanu was "sambdhi-samdhan" song
SS>from HAHK.
You are avoiding one of the most popular songs of 1995, "Tuje Deka" from
DDLJ. I do not blame you, KS sounds like <bleep> in it. Mabye LM sang
the average song as a favor to Yash Chopra.
SS>> Also, I heard that Laxmikant Pyarelal have not recorded a song with Kumar
SS>> Sanu. Duo are Rafi fan and would prefer Rafi clones Mohd. Aziz and Shabbir
I think KS did sing with L-P. I remember seeing a horrible movie
Dil-bur (sp?!!) a while back that starred Mamta K. Should tell you what
type of movie it is:-) Mabye they wanted to embarrass KS.
SS>he replaced a good voice with a better one. Then came his KHALNAYAK, where
SS>LM was totally out and all the songs were sung in the shrieky-AY's voice..
Good! I was happy about that. Why would they ask Lata to sing "Choli
Ke peecha".
SS>Now just replacing KK with AY does not make AY a better singer (IMO).
I will defend her only for this. She does seem to sing better at lower
tones, and that too with certian MD's. KS sings bad, at all tones with
everyone. Listen to his recent song with ARR (oh why did he pick
him?!). His voice is HEAVILY filtered and de-nasalized, and still he
has trouble going up and down the scale. BTW, about this song that is a
remix of Angali Angali from Duet. I am pretty sure that it was planned
from the get-go to be a remake number. And then JavedA. Hindi-ized the
original (did they same in KaalaPani, I think, too) song and ARR redid
the number. Sort of like a dubbed version of a slightly remixed song:)
If you listen one will see how similar the lyrics sound to the original.
To me it is unlikely that the lyrics were made as any other, and it just
happened (or were forced) to sound like like the Tamil original.
SS>hurt badly when RDB worked with Sanu in 1942.. That just goes on to show
I agree with you very much. Whenever someone defends Mr. Sanu they always
bring a couple of his songs from this (otherwise awesome) movie. Why
don't they ever look at his other trash? He did sound good, but that
does not (by a long shot) make him a good singer. He is the luckiest
grade C singer in India. I have heard even his so called great Bengali
songs.
SS>Actually, this Sanu phenomenon is very similar to GRESHAM's LAW in
SS>Economics.. which says "Bad money drives the good money out of the
SS>economy.".. So bad singers like sanu and AY have driven good singers like
SS>Amit, SS, Wadekar, KK, Sadhna Sargam out of the industry...
Well said. These singers do not belong with such people anyway.
bunty
neha_desai
In article <8721772...@dejanews.com>, ra...@homemail.com says...
>
>I was told that Lata Mangeshkar has not yet sung a song for
>Nadeem-Shravan. Is it true? Are there other such music directors?
>It seems Lata wants to avoid Nadeem Shravan.
>
>preferred Asha over Lata. But I think they never totally avoided Lata. One
>can provide some songs as evidence to prove it.
Or maybe now it is the other way around. Music Directors avoid Lata. Afterall
now her voice doesnt have any of the 50s and 60s magic!!
--
Neha
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ravi_krishna
> S. Saxena wrote:-
>I guess so.. I can understand that.. after working with the great MDs like
>Naushad, Anil Biswas, CR, SDB, etc etc..who would want to work with N-S??
Yes. Lata should prefer Jatin Lalit , Dilip Sen Sameer Sen , Ram Laxman because
they are as great as Naushad , Anil Biswas , CR , SDB etc.
>I remember that there had been only one movie before Yeh Dillagi that had
>LM and Sanu singing, but not together,.. that was Maya Memsaab.. where all
>songs are lata solos, and there is Sanu's solo .. Ik haseen nigaha ka..
>(which apparently is in LM's voice too)
And KS did a much better job than the jaded , tired voice of LM in "Ik
haseen..", even though his diction was faulty in that song.
>In case, LP did not like Sanu so much that they gave up their loyalist
>Ghai's movie, I must say.. BRAVO!!! I appreciate that.. Cos I was really
>hurt badly when RDB worked with Sanu in 1942.. That just goes on to show
>that LP still do what they like and they are not puppets in the hands of
>directors!! They still do what they think is right for quality music
Yes RDB should have consulted S. Saxena before deciding on singers for 1942.
And about LP , perhaps this is the main reason why they have been pushed into
oblivion. BTW in 1995 I read that LP wanted to compromise with KS. It is KS
who is refusing to sing with LP. (long time back I have posted why LP and KS
can't see eye to eye. Use deja news to get it from archives)
>Actually, this Sanu phenomenon is very similar to GRESHAM's LAW in
>Economics.. which says "Bad money drives the good money out of the
>economy.".. So bad singers like sanu and AY have driven good singers like
>Amit, SS, Wadekar, KK, Sadhna Sargam out of the industry...
With due respect to GRESHAM's LAW, I think music directors of today agree with
me that KS should be given a national award
for driving out exceptionally horrible singers like Shabir Kumar , MAziz and
king of all useless singers Amit Kumar. Whatever may be the worth of KS he is
better than SK,MA,AK put together. One has to listen to the songs of 80's when
SK,MA,AK ruled. Pathetic.
Also Suresh Wadkar was never taken seriously by the industry except for certain
type of songs. So it is incorrect to say that KS drove him out of business.
-- RaviK.
Abhay Avachat
In article <33FC72F8...@etsd.ml.com>, Anil says...
>Lata has sung for Nadeem-Shravan.
Which songs ? I am not saying she hasn't. I don't rem any right now.
>C. Ramchandra was a
>Lata-bhakt and was in fact in love with Lata. He almost always used
>Lata until Lata stopped singing for him when he refused to marry her.
Are you sure about any or all this stuff ? Can you give some pointers
as to where you got this info ? This sounds like gossip (about two great
persons I respect a lot) but you say it with quite authority. We all
keep hearing gossip about famous people, and perhaps some of may be
true too. But to say that "this is what happened" is going a bit too
far, IMHO of course, unless you can substabtiate it.
- Abhay.
A Lata fan, A CR fan and a fan of their combo songs.
neha_desai
In article <5ti2v3$r...@drn.zippo.com>, Ravi says...
>
>
>With due respect to GRESHAM's LAW, I think music directors of today agree with
>me that KS should be given a national award
>for driving out exceptionally horrible singers like Shabir Kumar , MAziz and
>king of all useless singers Amit Kumar. Whatever may be the worth of KS he is
>better than SK,MA,AK put together. One has to listen to the songs of 80's when
>SK,MA,AK ruled. Pathetic.
:)) kabhi kabhi lagta hai Ravi Krishna has some Khaandaani dushmani with
the Gangulys:)) Whenever he can he will take a dig at them. If you are
talking of Lata and Asha, he will say KK is bad:) If you are talking of
Alka and Anuradha he will say AK is bad:)...kahin na kahin se he will
bring KK or his son in and say something about them:)It is so amusing. I
I truly suspect some kind of khaandaani dushmani here:) Either that or he has a
love-hate relationship in which he has constantly remind and convince himself of
his hatred for these singers:)
--
Neha
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ravi_krishna
In article <5ti69m$a...@drn.zippo.com>, Neha says...
>:)) kabhi kabhi lagta hai Ravi Krishna has some Khaandaani dushmani with
>the Gangulys:)) Whenever he can he will take a dig at them. If you are
>talking of Lata and Asha, he will say KK is bad:) If you are talking of
>Alka and Anuradha he will say AK is bad:)...kahin na kahin se he will
>bring KK or his son in and say something about them:)It is so amusing.
>
>I truly suspect some kind of khaandaani dushmani here:) Either that or he has a
>love-hate relationship in which he has constantly remind and convince himself of
>his hatred for these singers:)
Neha,
There is no Khandani Dushmani. It is just that I really get provoked when
I see any hero worshipping of AK and to a lesser extent of KK. AK is really
a horrible singer. He is besura - period.
-- RaviK.
S. Saxena
On 21 Aug 1997, Bunty wrote:
> You are avoiding one of the most popular songs of 1995, "Tuje Deka" from
> DDLJ. I do not blame you, KS sounds like <bleep> in it. Mabye LM sang
> the average song as a favor to Yash Chopra.
I think even in HAHK, she sang as a favor to Suraj.
>
>
> SS>Now just replacing KK with AY does not make AY a better singer (IMO).
>
> I will defend her only for this. She does seem to sing better at lower
> tones, and that too with certian MD's. KS sings bad, at all tones with
> everyone. Listen to his recent song with ARR (oh why did he pick
> him?!). His voice is HEAVILY filtered and de-nasalized, and still he
> has trouble going up and down the scale. BTW, about this song that is a
> remix of Angali Angali from Duet. I am pretty sure that it was planned
> from the get-go to be a remake number. And then JavedA. Hindi-ized the
> original (did they same in KaalaPani, I think, too) song and ARR redid
> the number. Sort of like a dubbed version of a slightly remixed song:)
> If you listen one will see how similar the lyrics sound to the original.
> To me it is unlikely that the lyrics were made as any other, and it just
> happened (or were forced) to sound like like the Tamil original.
I am shocked that ARR has started working with the likes of KS.. well
lately he has lost his midas touch anyway, so what difference does it make
whether it is an A-grade singer or a C-grader like KS.
>
> I agree with you very much. Whenever someone defends Mr. Sanu they always
> bring a couple of his songs from this (otherwise awesome) movie. Why
> don't they ever look at his other trash? He did sound good, but that
> does not (by a long shot) make him a good singer. He is the luckiest
> grade C singer in India. I have heard even his so called great Bengali
> songs.
>
I am pretty sure, the songs of 1942.. became hit because of RDB's death.
If he had been alive, these songs would have been long before they came
out like the RDB (although all these were great numbers)songs of late..
Parinda, Drohi, Gardish..
Well, going by Vidhu Vinod's standards, which song from 1942 can be
compared to Parinda's Pyaar ke mod pe or Tum se mil ke???
> SS>Actually, this Sanu phenomenon is very similar to GRESHAM's LAW in
> SS>Economics.. which says "Bad money drives the good money out of the
> SS>economy.".. So bad singers like sanu and AY have driven good singers like
> SS>Amit, SS, Wadekar, KK, Sadhna Sargam out of the industry...
>
> Well said. These singers do not belong with such people anyway.
>
> bunty
THANKS BUNTY. I AM happy that some people still have good taste in music.
S. Saxena
On 21 Aug 1997, it was written:
> > S. Saxena wrote:-
>
> >I guess so.. I can understand that.. after working with the great MDs like
> >Naushad, Anil Biswas, CR, SDB, etc etc..who would want to work with N-S??
>
> Yes. Lata should prefer Jatin Lalit , Dilip Sen Sameer Sen , Ram Laxman because
> they are as great as Naushad , Anil Biswas , CR , SDB etc.
well, one does not mind falling from the sky to the ground.. but yes one
has restrictions as to how low could she go...well, N-S is like falling in
KHAYEE!!!
> And KS did a much better job than the jaded , tired voice of LM in "Ik
> haseen..", even though his diction was faulty in that song.
In fact, Sanu just blew this beautiful number by Gulzar out of the window.
Since it was supposed to be picturised on three different heroes , at
least then Sanu should have made an effort to sing it differently.
> Yes RDB should have consulted S. Saxena before deciding on singers for 1942.
Of course!!! what is your problem??
> And about LP , perhaps this is the main reason why they have been pushed into
> oblivion. BTW in 1995 I read that LP wanted to compromise with KS. It is KS
> who is refusing to sing with LP. (long time back I have posted why LP and KS
> can't see eye to eye. Use deja news to get it from archives)
Give me a break!!! If they are pushed into oblivion, then it is good for
them, at least they have a good music record until now.. even lately they
had beautiful music in ANGAAR
>
> With due respect to GRESHAM's LAW, I think music directors of today agree with
> me that KS should be given a national award
WELL, your level of MDs is N-S. So i can understand that well!!!
> for driving out exceptionally horrible singers like Shabir Kumar , MAziz and
> king of all useless singers Amit Kumar. Whatever may be the worth of KS he is
> better than SK,MA,AK put together. One has to listen to the songs of 80's when
> SK,MA,AK ruled. Pathetic.
Have you listened to AK ever?? Just list some of his bad songs, I
would agree with you.
> Also Suresh Wadkar was never taken seriously by the industry except for certain
> type of songs. So it is incorrect to say that KS drove him out of business.
I completely agree with Abhay (i
think) who says Sanu is a lucky C-grade singer.
Bunty
RA>Also Suresh Wadkar was never taken seriously by the industry except for cert
RA>type of songs.
Same with Kumar Sanu!!! :)
Suresh Wadkar has always had a certain amount of respect in this
buisness (although he has sang with the likes of A-M, N-S). If he
wanted to sing as often or sing the type of "pathetic" songs that Kumar
Sanu sings everyday with N-S AM and/or A-M, he is the real stupid one.
Listen to Suresh Wadkar in, "Surmai Shaam" (Lekin...) and tell me why
he should not be taken seriously. Should he gain respect by bowing down
to N-S and ask them please let me sing? As a real singer I would not
sing most of the songs they "compose" for jack.
I think almost everyone agrees that SW is a better singer than KS. But,
SW is fine were he is (selective singing), and KS is not fine were he is
(in the music industry).
RA>So it is incorrect to say that KS drove him out of business.
KS did not drive anyone out of buisness (besides bring the taste of the
listeners down).
bunty
S. Saxena
On 22 Aug 1997, Bunty wrote:
> Listen to Suresh Wadkar in, "Surmai Shaam" (Lekin...) and tell me why
Not just that, also Khamosh sa afsana, pyar ke mod pe, tumse milke, aye
zindagi gale laga le, panchi badal, badal pe chal ke aa, pyar ye jaane
kaisa hai, saanjh dhale, ....... want some more?.. well i guess, i should
not be doing it to prove th epoint that SW is a very good singer, cos the
whole world(?) knows it!!! But sometimes you have to state the obvious :-)
ravi_krishna
>S. Saxena says:-
>On 21 Aug 1997, it was written:
>has restrictions as to how low could she go...well, N-S is like falling in
>KHAYEE!!!
NS are much crap as Dilip Sen Sameer Sen, Ram Laxman , Anu Malik. Jatil Lalit
are better. To be frank almost all of the present MD's are crap.
>> Yes RDB should have consulted S. Saxena before deciding on singers for 1942.
>
>Of course!!! what is your problem??
No problem. But I am sure RDB would have ended up like Anu Mallik thanks
to the able guidance of S. Saxena.
>Give me a break!!! If they are pushed into oblivion, then it is good for
>them, at least they have a good music record until now.. even lately they
>had beautiful music in ANGAAR
ANGAAR - beautiful music - Say thanks to Remo Fernandis for that great piece
of music in flute. Perhaps you are not aware that the main flute music of
Angaar was copied from a RF song.
>WELL, your level of MDs is N-S. So i can understand that well!!!
My level of MD's are of the 50's and 60's. I don't even rate the 70s songs that
high ( read my posting in RMIM before you shoot off).
I was only reacting to the unnecessary bashing of KS.
Anyhow KS worth was proved the day RDB decided to kick in the a** of Amit Kumar
( he was loyal to AK till then) and gave KS a chance in 1942ALS. The rest as
they say is history.
>Have you listened to AK ever?? Just list some of his bad songs, I
>would agree with you.
All of his songs are atrocious to say the least.
-- RaviK.
PS: I have replied to Bunty about Suresh Wadkar.
ss
>
> |>
> |> Lata has sung for Nadeem-Shravan.
> |>
OK. OK. OK. I have been noticing the fight,
I mean, discussion on this
topic for quite some time now.
So what do *I* have to say?
Just this :
1. I agree with Bunty and S. Saxena
2. Lata HAS sung for Nadeem Shravan.
But what song? No one said.
As far as my knowlegde goes, it's just 1 song
for some dumb movie during the days when N-S
were KUCH-Bhi-NAHIN!
(For that matter even now I am not impressed by them
no matter what songs or how many as they say 'compose'.)
I can't remember the name of the movie,
but it was a Ramsay type horror movie I think
and the song goes like
DOOR Naheen Jaa Sadhkay Tujhsay
Paas bhi Main Naa
Aaoongee......
Now gentlemen, pl. continue....
:-)
Ashok
In article <33FDEE...@141.com>, s...@141.com says...
>
>>
>> |>
>> |> Lata has sung for Nadeem-Shravan.
>> |>
>2. Lata HAS sung for Nadeem Shravan.
> But what song? No one said.
> As far as my knowlegde goes, it's just 1 song
> for some dumb movie during the days when N-S
> were KUCH-Bhi-NAHIN!
> (For that matter even now I am not impressed by them
> no matter what songs or how many as they say 'compose'.)
>
> I can't remember the name of the movie,
> but it was a Ramsay type horror movie I think
> and the song goes like
>
> DOOR Naheen Jaa Sadhkay Tujhsay
> Paas bhi Main Naa
> Aaoongee......
>
>
>Now gentlemen, pl. continue....
>
>:-)
Yes. The song is
door nahi.n jaa sakati tujh se, paas bhi mai.n naa aaoongi
It is from 'Hisaab Khoon Ka' (1989), with music by N-S.
Ashok
SudeepAmin
Can any one tell me any song which Lata has sung for OP Nayyar? I was
under the impression that OP had never directed Lata.
Regards
Sudeep
ra...@homemail.com
In article <5tkpnt$q...@news1.zippo.com>,
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org wrote:
>
> Yes. The song is
>
> door nahi.n jaa sakati tujh se, paas bhi mai.n naa aaoongi
>
> It is from 'Hisaab Khoon Ka' (1989), with music by N-S.
It is interesting. Why would Lata not sing for N-S now? Are they worse
now then they were 8 years ago?
Or is it because N-S were contractually bound to not pick Lata - because
of Gulshan Kumar's preference for Anuradha Paudwal?
Based on the discussion on this thread it seems that a popular singer
need not be a good singer. As an example, I have seen various people
rejecting Kumar Sanu as a good singer. How is it possible for them to be
popular when they are not good? Kumar Sanu is actively participating in
various concerts nowadays. From what I have heard, shows are packed.
Are we to say that folks attending such concerts do not have good taste
in music? Filmfare awards mean nothing? One may be fluke (Nazia Hasan,
Salma Agha, Vani Jayaram). But not 4 in a row. (Or is it 3?)
Rahul Upadhyaya http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/2828/
ache they-see joe key per-they-see hey
Anil Hingorani
Dr. Surjit Singh "a CALTECH dad" wrote:
>
>
> lataa diidii has not sung even one song for
>
> O. P. Nayyar, raam gaa.Ngulii, baabul(alone), raghunaath seth, vanaraaj
> bhaaTiaa,
> sha.Nkar raav vyaas, and some others.
>
> Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
>
Lata has sung a really beautiful (and complex) song composed by
the talented Vanraj Bhatia. It was for a Kumar Shahni film ('tarang',
I think) in the 70s. The lyrics went something like 'sang so jaa'.
I'm sorry I do not recollect the song more clearly, it's been a
while since I heard it. However, I can say that it is top-notch and
I know for a fact that VB was very excited when Lata agreed to sing
it. He still talks about the experience of working with Lata bai till
this day.
The only question I have had about this song is that Lata always
used to refuse songs with sexual undertones and as far as I remember,
this song has very sensual lyrics. But maybe I'm wrong. The melody of
the song, however, in no way conveys this emotion. It is a tough song
to sing and displays VB's creativity and Lata's mastery.
Cheers,
Anil
PS: What has 'shankar raav vyaas' done?
Ashok
In article <3400BD...@ttacs.ttu.edu>, du...@ttacs.ttu.edu says...
>
>You are correct. According to the definitive book, "gandhaar
>svar yaatra" the only one song that lataa has sung for nadiim-
>shravaN till October 1989 is
>
>duur nahii.n jaa sakatii tujhase, paas bhii mai.n naa
>aaoo.Ngii
>
>in the movie hisaab Kuun kaa (1989), lyrics by anvar saaGar.
>
>lataa diidii has not sung even one song for
>
>O. P. Nayyar, raam gaa.Ngulii, baabul(alone), raghunaath seth, vanaraaj
>bhaaTiaa,
>sha.Nkar raav vyaas, and some others.
>
>
>Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
The book "Gandhaar Swar Yaatra" is by and large very reliable, but
has a few errors and omissions. One omission is what is perhaps the
only song that Lata has sung for Vanraj Bhatia. It is for the art-house
film 'Tarang' (1984) of Kumar Shahani. It is a poem by Raghuvir Sahay.
The song goes
barase ghan saari raat, sang so jaao
The use of the song in 'Tarang' is particularly interesting in view of
the on-going discussion between David and Arnab regarding the role of
songs in films, because Kumar Shahani is perhaps the most uncompromising
art-house director of them all (earlier film of his: 'Mayadarpan').
The song occurs in the middle of the film. Amol Palekar's wife (I don't
know the actress) decides to end her life. She takes poison and calmly
lies down waiting for it to take effect. A series of images, some in
flashback, come on the screen as this very long song (8+ minutes) plays.
(The film has another brief song. An inconsequential kiddie song,
written by Gulzar and sung by Asha. Interestingly, this song is
included in the companion book of Asha songs.)
The song has been discussed in a few places.
* The director Kumar Sahani has said that only Lata could have
rendered that composition. (BFI Encyc of Indian Films, entry for
the film.)
* In his book on Lata, Harish Bhimani throws some sidelight on
Lata's attitude toward her songs. First, it is extremely rare that
she is satisfied with her own rendition; that holds even for her
best songs. Each time she hears a song of her own, she thinks of
ways she could have improved her rendering of the song. Second,
after a recording is completed, she almost never waits to hear the
replay. It seems Vanraj Bhatia was extremely pleased that, after
the recording, Lata stayed on to listen to the song and expressed
her satisfaction.
* Here is an excerpt of "Stop the Action, Start the Song", which is
an interview with Vanraj Bhatia by Ram Mohan. It appeared in
Cinema Vision Ibdiam Oct. '80, It was a special issue, devoted to
sound and music in films.
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For Kumar Shahani's forthcoming feaature, 'Tarang,' Vanraj has
composed and recorded what he calls the "marathon" song, which was
to him a challenge in many ways. Kumar had specifically asked for
a composition in a combination of ragas Mand and Jogiya (to which
Vanraj later added Bhimpalas). The words written by Raghuvir Sahay,
in what is almost blank verse, were final and were under no
circumstances to be altered in any way to accommodate the tune. The
tempo was to be in a slow beat of 12 matras. Vanraj at first bridled
at all these specifications but finally came up with his finest and
most ambitious compositions, "Barse Ghan Sari Raat." The song is
in two sections and the melodic structure of the two parts is
identical. But again the orchestration is distinctly different in
the two sections, the accompaniment varying in close consonance with
the words sung by Lata Mangeshkar.
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Ashok
Anil Hingorani
U.V. Ravindra wrote:
>
> Anil Hingorani wrote:
> >
> > The only question I have had about this song is that Lata always
> > used to refuse songs with sexual undertones and as far as I remember,
>
> What exactly do you mean when you say that, Anil?
I heard in an interview (Hasrat J's) that she had a problem with the
words 'bandh kali muskayee..', in the song 'o maine pyaar kiya..'
from Jis Desh Mein...Hasrat changed it to 'dil ki kali muskayee...'
to accomodate her. Hasrat also said in the same interview that the
only singer he would allow to tweak his words was Lata and only Lata.
He said something like 'unko to hazaar khoon mauf...' or some such:-)
> Indeed, even "DhooNDo DhooNDo re saajna" has been attributed some level
> of "suggestiveness" by a friend. He avers that when Lata says:
I always thought that song was suggestive, although the tune or the
singing does not convey that. It is sung by Vyjayantimala on the
screen the morning after her wedding and I think the 'suggestive'
interpretation fits quite well here. It is a well respected
semi-classical tune and let's leave it at that without going into
what Shakeel was actually thinking when he wrote the lyrics:-)
>
> I guess the point I'm trying to make is, how does one decide that
> a lyric is suggestive or not? Any thoughts, Anil? RMIM?
>
I guess it depends on the individual's sensibilities - unless it is
very overt like 'choli ke peeche...' or outright vulgar like 'lotan
kabootar..'.
Cheers,
Anil
Siddhartha Duttagupta
A truly bizarre story even by bollywood standards.
regards, siddhartha
Reposted from clari.world.asia.india:
BOMBAY, Sept 1 (AFP) - Bombay police on Monday alleged a music
director from the city's film industry was behind the murder of a
multi-millionaire movie-maker three weeks ago.
Police Commissioner Ronald Mendonca alleged Gulshan Kumar was
killed on the orders of music director Nadeem (eds: one name) who
"felt that Kumar was out to finish off his career."
The 42-year-old movie moghul was shot 17 times in a north Bombay
suburb on August 12 as he left a Hindu temple.
Kumar, who had eight movies to his credit, built up a business
empire based on audio cassettes after starting as a
fruit seller in
New Delhi. His corporate assets were worth 220 million dollars when
he was gunned down.
Mendonca said six of the alleged gunmen had been arrested,
adding that music director Nadeem had "contracted out" the killing
to a Dubai-based Bombay mafia-don, Dawood Ibrahim.
"The man who pulled the trigger is yet to be arrested. He is
outside the city now, but we will get to him," he said and added:
"So far 3.5 million rupees (97,222 dollars) has changed hands after
the killing."
Mendonca said the police were searching for the missing music
director. "Nadeem is not in the country. We have reports of him
being in Britain or in the United States."
Mendonca alleged the Kumar murder plot was planned in Dubai in
May by Ibrahim's gang members.
Kumar's murder was the fourth attack on film producers here this
year.
India annually produces about 900 movies a year, the highest by
any country, surpassing even Hollywood.
Ashok
In article <340611...@ttacs.ttu.edu>, du...@ttacs.ttu.edu says...
>
>> PS: What has 'shankar raav vyaas' done?
>
>
>bhaarat kii ik sannaarii kii ham kathaa sunaate hai.n
>
>lyriced by ramesh guptaa and sung by raam aapTe and madhusuudan
>in their thundering voices for the movie raamaraajya (1943).
>Both the movie and the song are classics.
>
>Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
A doubt here. HMV's 4-cassette of Vintage Hits lists the singer
of this song as Vishnupant Pagnis and chorus. It is true that
if it is indeed picturized on Lav and Kush singing the raamaayaNa
story in ayodhyaa, the song ought to feature two young singers.
Another memorable song from Ramrajya is Saraswati Rane's
beena, madhur madhur kachhu bol.
Ashok
Dr. Surjit Singh "a CALTECH dad"
Snehal B. Oza wrote:
>
> In <5uhllo$o...@news1.zippo.com> <Ashok M. Dhareshwar> (Ashok) writes:
>
> >In article <340611...@ttacs.ttu.edu>, du...@ttacs.ttu.edu says...
> >>
> >>> PS: What has 'shankar raav vyaas' done?
> >>
> >>He is famous for musically directing
> >>
> >>bhaarat kii ik sannaarii kii ham kathaa sunaate hai.n
> >>
> >>lyriced by ramesh guptaa and sung by raam aapTe and madhusuudan
> >>in their thundering voices for the movie raamaraajya (1943).
> >>Both the movie and the song are classics.
> >>
> >>Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
>
> >A doubt here. HMV's 4-cassette of Vintage Hits lists the singer
> >of this song as Vishnupant Pagnis and chorus. It is true that
>
> Isn't it possible that Ram Apte and Madhusudan are names of artists who played
> it on screen and real singer is indeed Vishnupant ?
Hi Ashok and Snehal:
My info comes from Listeners' Bulletin #72, where
Har Mandir says that the lyricist of the song, ramesh guptaa
told him about the singers. By the way, madhusuudan is
mentioned in the credits of the movie in Geet Kosh, Vol. II.
I don't know if it is same as the singer, but it is
possible.
Surjit Singh
>
> Regards,
> Snehal