MELODIC SHADES & SHADOWS
S.Jayaraman
1) SHAAN - '50 - Tadap aye dil...Suraiya (Hansraj Bahl)
2) HICHKOLE - '49 - Tadpayegw hum dil ko..Munawar Sultana (Inayat Hussain)
3) DHOON - '53 - Tarey gin gin kaati raat...Lata (Madan Mohan
4) PAAPI - '54 - Koi unsey kahey jaake aye huzur...Asha (Mohinder Singh)
5) ANARI - '57 - Bankey panchi gaaye...Lata/chorus (S-J)
6) KASHINATH - '43 - O bankey panchhi...Bharati Devi
7) SHUKRIYA - '44 - Hamari gali ana...Naseem Akhtar/Manohar (Chishti)
8) MEMSAHIB - '55 - Hamari gali ana ...Asha/Talat (Madan Mohan)
9) BHAGAT SURDAS - '42 - Nain heen ko raah dikha...K.L.Saigal (Jnan Dutt)
10) PANNADAI - '45 - Chaley musafir...Khan Mastana (Jnan Dutt)
11) ZEENAT - '45 - Bulbulo mat ro yahan...Nurjahan (Hafiz Khan)
12) YEH HAI ZINDAGI '48 - Arman bhare dil ko...Barkat Ali Khan (Chishti)
(How beautifully Chisti Saheb has composed this Barkat Ali solo
in darbari on the ZEENAT pattern is truly delightful!!)
( More will follow)
Jay
20/9
Afzal A. Khan
"S.Jayaraman" wrote:
Just a couple of points :
I think the film's name was "Bhakt Surdas"
and not "Bhagat..".
"Anari" was a 1959 release, not '57.
Afzal
Afzal A. Khan
"S.Jayaraman" wrote:
I don't quite know the exact scheme of things
here --- probably you are listing songs where
the first few words are the same. If so, let me
add one such "couple" :
1. "Milte hee nazar" (un se, dil aane ko kya kahiye)
Talat, "Naghma".
2. "Milte hee nazar" (aap mire dil men aa gaye)
Kishore Kumar, "New Delhi".
There must be innumerable such songs. What exactly
is the objective of listing them ? Melodically, there
may be just no connection whatsoever.
Afzal
naniwadekar
"S.Jayaraman" <sjh...@yahoo.com> wrote -
>
> 1) SHAAN - '50 - Tadap aye dil...Suraiya (Hansraj Bahl)
> 2) HICHKOLE - '49 - Tadpayegw hum dil ko..Munawar Sultana (Inayat
Hussain)
>
How about this pair?
"04 - Sadhna - Sawan aaye ya na aaye - 1939 - Hareesh - Anupam Ghatak -
Kanhaiyalal.mp3"
and
Naushad's 'saawan aaye yaa naa aaye' in Dil Diya Dard Liya
by Asha + Rafi - Shakeel - 1966.
Same opening words and some melodic passages which are
obviously borrowed by Naushad from Anupam Ghatak's tune.
- dn
naniwadekar
Continuing with 'melodic shades' urf 'chup chaap kii chori',
I heard a tune today on which 'u.De jab jab zulfe.n terii'
is based. This may have been discussed before on rmim but
to me it was a discovery. Vinod had used the same tune before
O P Nayyar in the Punjabi film Bhaiyaji in 1950. The song was
'menoo meria dukhan ne teriya (or beriya)'. It was sung by Rafi.
I don't know whether the tune is Vinod's original conception or
he borrowed it from Punjabi folk. But it certainly isn't an original
tune by O P Nayyar.
- dn
S.Jayaraman
melodies to the listener's attention,either in the rendition,or
lyrically, or musically or any other distinct feature of the song.
This has got to be STRESSED when contrasts are made,thus making
LISTENING more pleasurable not only to the LAY minds but also to
die-hard connoisseurs,who expect more and more from little and little.
It is true,that most of 'inputs' provided in earlier two postings may
be 'bumbers' to young and aspiring music lovers of Indian
cinema;nevertheless,love and passion for the 'unknown' in music CAN BE
(repeat,CAN BE)created or developed only if one has the attitude to
seek them earnestly.Otherwise,its just ALSO RAN ('thheek hai!).
Jay
21/9
S.Jayaraman
one "melodic shade" and bring out another; a 'shadow'of the earlier
one more or less.
Putting them on paper is an attempt made easier for the benefit of the
'bhaktas'. Unless,the latter resolves to probe and find out the
credibility of what I state or have stated,the entire thing remains a
'mystery and suspense' to the eager listener.
Jay
21/9
Urzung Khan
Both used an old popular Punjabi folk tune.
urzung khan
S.Jayaraman
Jay
21/9
S.Jayaraman
1) AN EVENING IN PARIS - '63 - Aji aisaa mauka kahan fir kahan...Rafi (S-J)
2) EK ROZ - '47 - Aisey mauke bhi kahin,roz milaa karte hain...
Dilshad/Imdad Hussain (Shyamsunder)
( Believe me,its a gem of a composition from SS!!)
3) BUZDIL - '50 - Jhan-jhan-jhan payal baaje...Lata (S.D.Burman)
4) GEET GOVIND - '47 - Jhanjhan jhan baaje paayaliya...Manna Dey (Jnan Dutt)
5) CHAND TARA - '46 - Jhanana,jhanana baaje ...Amirbai (Jnan Dutt)
6) (Non-film geet) - Mohabat ka nateeja hum...Hemant (Hermant Kumar)
7) ARAB KA SAUDAGAR - '56 - Mohabat ka nateeja...Geeta (Hemant Kumar)
8) (Non-film geet) - Dheere sey aana bagiyan mein... S.D.Burman (SDB)
9) DIL - '46 - Ab shor na karna gulshan mein...Moti/Nurjahan (Zaffar Khurshid)
10) MERA SALAAM - '57 - Aag lagi tan-maun mein...Shamshad (Hafiz Khan)
11) SHAH JAHAN - '46 - Aag lagi, dil mein woh pyaari...Nasim Akhtar (Naushad)
More will follow.... ( I have all of these and the previous one too in my
library)
Jay
21/9
21/9
Pavan Jha
Back and Fast Forward old issue...
"A film journal once reported that a popular music duo got sudden
inspiration for a hit 'bhajan' tune in the small hours of the day and
they sang it to the showman-producer on the telephone. He was thrilled
and so was the public when it was heard. But the gullible listeners
did not know that the melody was lifted note by note from a 1948
'Gopinath 'bhajain 'Aai gori Radhika Brij men bal khati' (music by
Ninu Majhumdar) - the story of a 'sudden inspiration'was only a myth
to create an image.
Naushad once alleged that his tune ('Mera salam leja'- 'Uran Khatola')
was stolen from his music room by fellow composers (he meant Husna
lal- Bhagatram). Piqued by the accusation, they retorted that they had
stolen their tune ('Sham-e-bahar aai'- 'Shama Parwana') from where,
they claimed Naushad himself had stolen the tune.
Refering to the love-call Dharti ko akash pukare' in 'Mela', I asked
Naushad recently if he was inspired by Ghulam Hyder's 1936 melody
'Raavi ke us paar. He diplomatically replied that many composers were
inspired by Ghulam Hyder and he also could be one of them. He cited
the example of R C Boral who created 'Ek bangala bane nyara 'from
Ghulam Hyder's Asrab ko jane wale 'composed in 1936. It was more of a
defence, meaning "if Boral could do it, why not l?"
Call it inspiration or plagiarism: some are candid about it while some
hide it behind the mask of hypocrisy.
Music director S N Tripathi admits that 'Sare jahan se achha'was
his inspiration to create Rafi's 'Parvar cligare alam '('Hatimtai') C
Ramchandra similarly gave credit to the natya geet 'Moortimant bhiti
ubhi for his Zindagi usiki ha' (Anarkali'). But there are countless
other songs where the music directors have not learned to give angels
their dues.
Sardar Malik claims to have composed 'Bachna zara zamana hai bura'
(Iyrics by Sahir) for 'Hoor-e-Arab'in 1955. Soon after, he was
replaced by Ghulam Mohammed, who, according to him, retained the tune
but changed the words to Tara rara rum, mere dil men sanam' (by
Shakeel) and 'Bachna zara found its way in 'Milap to the credit of N
Dutta.
Music director Vinod, inspired by Malika Pukhraj's ghazal 'Are mai
gusaro, savere'created an intensely moving composition Dard mila hai
tere pyar ki nishani' ('Anmol Ratan'-1950) which later on became
Mohabbat men meri tarah jo mita ho'(Music by Hemant Kumar - 'Shart' -
1954) Tere pyar' ka asara chahata hoon' in Dhool ka phool '(N Dutta -
1954). Traditional and borrowed tunes are passed off as flashes of
genius or sudden inspiration. It's a murky world - the world of Indian
cinema where laurels have lost their sanctity because they are often
offered by the gullible and ignoramus to those men of music who
who more often than not do not deserve them. "
S.Jayaraman
10) AAN - '52 - Aag lagi tan-mun mein... Shamshad (Naushad)
11) MERA SALAAM - '57 - Aag lagi, shola uthaa...Shamshad (Hafiz Khan)
13) SHAHJAHAN - '46 - Aag lagee,dil mein woh pyaari...Nasim Akhtar (Naushad)
14) ANOKHI ADA - '48 - Dil ko lagaa ke humney kuchh bhi na paaya...Uma Devi
(Naushad)
15) BEKARAR - '50 - Dil ko lagaa ke tum,tokar na khaana...Munawar Sultana/
Ali Bux Zahur (Gulam Hyder)
16) RAAGINI - '57 - Mai Bangali chhokra...Asha/Kishore (O.P.Nayyar)
17) SARKAR - '51 - Mai maali ka chhokara...Shamshad/Rafi (Govindram)
18) RATAN - '44 - O janewale balamwa...Amirbai/Amar (Naushad)
19) HUM BHI INSAAN HAI - '48 -Piya chaley aaye dheerey sey muskaaye...Miss
Parvez Kapadia (H.P.Dass)
20) BAWRE NAIN - '50 - Sunu, bairee balam mat bol...Rajkumari
21) AAGHOSH - '53 - Mai chanda tu ragini...Lata/Kishore (Roshan)
22) UDAN KHATOLA - '57 - Mohabat ki raahon mein...Rafi (Naushad)
23) ZIMBO - '58 - Yeh maana ki badi mushkil sey...Rafi (Chitragupta)
(The 'antara' tunes in the latter are SIMILAR to the former !)
24) GHAR KI IZZAT - '48 - Baney hai hum to ghar Jamaayi...Ram Kamlani
(Govindram)
25) ALBELI - '45 - Baney na koi ghar jamayee...Sunder (Chishti)
26) SAZAA - '50 - Gup-chup gup-chup pyar karen... Sandhya M./Hemant Kumar
(S.D.Burman)
27) MISS MALA - Pyar karo gup-chup,duniya sey chhup-chhup;
duniyawaale peechhay dandey lekey aaye; PHIR;
pyar karo gup-chup...Geeta/Kishore/chorus (Chitragupta)
28) SHAHEED - '48 - Bachpan ki yaad dheerey dheerey pyar ban gayee...
Lalitha Dewulkar (Gulam Hyder)
29) SHAHIDA - '49 - Duniya sey jo mitaa hai...Munawar Sultana (Chishti)
30) WAFA - '50 - Kaaga rey, jaa rey jaa rey; mere piya ka sandeswaa laa
rey laa rey...Lata (Vinod)
31) KANEEZ - '49 - Ud jaa rey kagwaa, morey piya ke paas; haan haan; moraa
sandesh piya ke paas; ud jaa...Zeenat Begum (Gulam Haider)
32) BAHADUR - '53 - Kagawaa rey jaa,bideswaa...Rajkumari (Mohinder Singh)
( All super-dupor melodies - I have all of them !! )
Jay
22/9
aanand
song " aaj phir jane ki jid na karo" was played in background
I have following questions.
1. Who has originally sung it ? Or is it traditional thumri? Whose
recordings are available ?
2. Is tune of " ek chamali ki mandavaele similar to this ?
ALos there is this noorrjahan/muzhe pehlisi mubabbat number .
3. HAs majrooh borrowed mukhada " teri aankhhon ke siwa " from anatara
of thsi faiz song ?
rgds
anand.
S.Jayaraman
33) DILLAGI - '48 - Terey koochey mein armanon...Rafi (Naushad)\
34) RAEES - '48 - Gham sehna hai lub seena hai,chupake chupake
rona hai...Meena Kapoor (Manohar Arora)
35) LIGHT HOUSE - '58 - Tang aa chukey hai...Asha (N.Dutta)
36) MOHINI - '57 - Dar badar ki thokren hain...Asha (N.Dutta)
37) HUM LOG - '50 - Chali jaa chali jaa...Lata (Roshan)
38) NAGIN - '54 - Mera dil yeh pukarey aa jaa...Lata (Hemant Kumar)
39) HALAKU - '56 - Yeh chand yeh sitarey...Lata (S-J)
40) JUNGLE BOY - '63 - Yeh dhak-dhakkya hai,kya dil ko huwa hai...
Sudha Malhotra (Suresh-Talwar)
41) JANAM JANAM KE PHERE - '57 - Zara saamne aawo chaliye...Lata/Rafi
(S.N.Tripathi)
42) SHRAWAN KUMAR - '60 - Tum kahan chhipey ho sanwarey...Lata (Pt.Shivram)
43) BANDHAN - '40 - Chanaa jor garam babu mai laya...Arun Kumar (S.Devi)
44) NAYA ANDAZ - '56 - Chanaa jor garam...Shamshad/Kishore (O.P.Nayyar)
45) PUNAR MILAN - '40 - Nacho naacho pyaare mun ke mor...Arun Kumar-Snehprabha
(Ramchandra Pal)
46) EK ROZ - '47 - Nacho naacho,Naacho;nacho naacho;mere dil bahaar
aa gayee...Dilshad Begum (Shyamsunder)
47) NISHANI - '43 - Dil yeh kiska hai jigar...Shamshad/Batra
48) NAGHMA-E-DIL - '59 - Teer par teer chalaao tumhey...Salim Raza/Zubaida
(Chishti)
50) AAO PYAR KAREN - '64 - Dil ke aainey mein tasveer teri...Rafi (Usha Khanna)
51) RAHNUMA - '48 - Dil ke aainey mein...Shamshad (Dhumi Khan)
52) CHACHA ZINDABAD - '60 - Bairan neend naa aaye mohey,mora jiya
ghabaraye...Lata (Madan Mohan)
53) PUJARI - '46 - Bairan nindiya kyun nahi aaye, dur khadi muskaaye...
Amirbai (Hansraj Bahl)
54) MAAN - '54 - Mere pyar mein tujhe kya mila...Lata (Anil Biswas)
55) PARISTAN - '57 - Mere dil mein aati hai yeh sadaa...Asha (S.N.Tripathi)
56) JAB SEY TUMHE DEKHA HAI - '63 - Muhammad shah rangeele gaawat aaj prem-
sur nashiley...Manna Dey (Dattaram)
57) NADIR SHAH - '68 - Muhammad shah rangile sajana,tum bin nahi ab ratiyaa
kathhin suhaaye...Lata/Rafi (S.N.Tripathi)
Jay
22/9
...
Satish Kalra
news:7136b5fd.03092...@posting.google.com...
Let me just put in a word of caution for RMIMers - Please do not take the
years of release or the starting words of the mukhadaas posted in these
articles by Mr. Jay as 100% correct.
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
UVR
> On similar grounds y'day i watched Monsoon Wedding where this famous
> song " aaj phir jane ki jid na karo" was played in background
>
> I have following questions.
>
> 1. Who has originally sung it ? Or is it traditional thumri? Whose
> recordings are available ?
"aaj jaane kii zidd na karo" is a _nazm_ by Faiyaz Hashmi.
The most popular renditions are by Farida Khanum and Habib
Wali Mohammed. Both easily available. Check your music
store. There may be other recordings, but I am not aware
of them.
> 2. Is tune of " ek chamali ki mandavaele similar to this ?
I do find some similarity, yes.
> ALos there is this noorrjahan/muzhe pehlisi mubabbat number .
> 3. HAs majrooh borrowed mukhada " teri aankhhon ke siwa " from anatara
> of thsi faiz song ?
Yes, he has.
-UVR.
Afzal A. Khan
Pavan Jha wrote:
I feel this article should have been posted
in a separate, new thread --- otherwise it can
get buried in the "avalanche" of "similar" songs
being posted in this thread.
Referring to the "Mela" song ("Dharti ko aakaash
pukaare"), I had an opportunity to listen to the
Ghulam Haider number "Raavi ke us paar", and my
immediate reaction was : This is in ShivRanjini.
I think this seeming similarity is due to the
common notes of the basic raag employed. And no
"lifting" or "plagiarism" need be imputed.
The other Ghulam Haider song (1936) should actually
be "Yasrab ko jaane waale...". SNT's "Haatim Tai"
number is : "Parwardigaar-e-'Aalam".
There are occasions when very apparent similarities
do not occur to us till they are pointed out. This
is the case with "Bachna zara..." and "Tara rara rum".
Is "Milaap" a 1955 film or 1956 ? In the latter case,
a "lift" can definitely be suggested.
Thanks for the article.
Afzal
Urzung Khan
I had written:
I do not remember the movie and its MD, but
there was another song which used this tune:
jaT ku.DiyaaN to.n Dardaa maaraa
moDe utte Daang rakhdaa
_Shamshad, Rafi_
Urzung Khan
Pavan Jha
> On similar grounds y'day i watched Monsoon Wedding where this famous
> song " aaj phir jane ki jid na karo" was played in background
>
> I have following questions.
>
> 1. Who has originally sung it ? Or is it traditional thumri? Whose
> recordings are available ?
> 2. Is tune of " ek chamali ki mandavaele similar to this ?
"Ek chameli ke mandwe tale" is one of the favs of many MD's today for
inspiration
Jatin Lalit used this first in Yes Boss... "Ek din aap youn hamse mil
jaayenge"
then Raju singh used the same for "Saare sapne kahin kho gaye" for
Alka-Javed Album and then Sajid-Wajid again used the same recently in
Chori Chori in the song "Aate aate reh gaye paas hum"
Pavan