In love with a song - Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai...
Pavan Jha
15-16 years back when I got to see the movie on Doordarshan.... Since
then I have never been able to get the song out of me.. Dont know why
but I have lived and listend the song (only) in my memories...
Memories to Cherish forever.. the song proves it.. infact the song was
one of the catalyst to start the Chitrahaar quiz...
First the film...
Chhoti Chhoti Baatien was a dream of Motilal.. He not only played the
lead but tried his hand at direction too (for the first and last
time)... Motilal though was one of the most natural actors of Indian
Films, it seems he was highly inspired with Charlie Chaplin and his
films.. He never tried to immitate chaplin and did the chaplin acts in
his own Natural style...His Mastana (mid 50's) was the remake of
Chaplin's The Kid... and Chhoti Chhoti Baatein.. IMO it was loosley
based on Chaplin's Limelight... This I felt when I watched the
movie... From what I can recollect... CCB was a story of an old man
good at heart, when he gets retired from his job, doesnt treated well
by his family, he moves to a village, where he meets Nadira, a young
vidrohi sort of lady (who better than Nadira.. did she played a widow?
cant recollect).. The two
shares a strong bond and their relationship becomes aankh ka kaanta of
Gaon wala's... The story was well supported by small episodes of
comic, funny,
emotional, touching shades... almost all shades in Chhoti Chhoti
Baatein..
Motilal's death during prior to the release of CCB, was a not only a
loss of a great actor, he was... but a great director what he could
be... CCB is a showcase of that...
Music wise, CCB holds a special place in HFM as it was the last film
of Anil Biswas..The film had not one but two Swan songs... Zindagi
Khwab hai for Motilal and Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai for Anil Biswas
(and Meena Kapoor)..great lyrics by Shailender... Zindagi ka ajab
fasana hai is another popular mukesh-lata duet from the film.. but the
song I am in love with is Kuchh aur zamana kehta hai... the song got
my immediate attention when I was watching the film.. The song was
picturised on Nadira in a boat and even today the frame is freezed in
my memories, .. I searched for the song for many years wih many
recording wala's to no avail (even posted on RMIM about 5 years
back).. as Nida Fazli said... 'Mil jaaye to mitti hai, kho jaaye to
sona hai...' Truely a gold song for me...
Last year, I got to know that a Nadira interview is sheduled on Vividh
Bharti..I was sure if she plays some songs, she would definately play
this one.. and she played the song in the end.. unfortunately the
version I recorded was
not a good one.. still in search of a good recording...Simply one of
my
favourite songs...
isn't it one of the most appropriate swan songs considering the fact
Anil
Biswas said Alvida to Film industry...
Some films and some songs leaves a forever impact on you...
This song is one of them...still remains gold for me...
Are you madly in love with a song? why not have a series on "In love
with a
song"
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Song : Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai
Film : Chhoti Chhoti Baatein (1965)
Singer : Meena Kapoor
Music : Anil Biswas
Lyrics : Shailender
Picturised on : Nadira
Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai, kuchh aur hai zid mere dil ki - 2
mein baat zamane ki manoo, ya baat sunu apne dil ki
kuchh aur zamana kehata hai...
duniya ne hamein berahami se
thukara jo diya, achcha hi kiya - 2
nadaan hum samajhe baithe the -2
nibhati hai yahaan dil se dil ki
kuchh aur zamana kehata hai...
insaaf, mohabbat, sachchaai -2
wo rahmo-karam ke dikhlaave
kuchh kahate zabaan sharmaati hai -2
poochho na jalan mere dil ki
kuchh aur zamana kehata hai...
jo (ye?) basti hai insaano ki
insaa magar dhoondhe na mila -2
paththar ke buton se kya keeje -2
fariyaad bhalaa toote dil ki
Kuchh aur zamana kehata hai, kuchh aur hai zid mere dil ki - 2
mein baat zamane ki manoo, ya baat sunu apne dil ki
kuchh aur zamana kehata hai...
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Pavan Jha
pava...@rediffmail.com
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Satish Kalra
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> My first (and to an extent last) introduction to the song was about
> 15-16 years back when I got to see the movie on Doordarshan.... Since
> then I have never been able to get the song out of me.. Dont know why
> but I have lived and listend the song (only) in my memories...
> Memories to Cherish forever.. the song proves it.. infact the song was
...snipped...
>
> Motilal's death during prior to the release of CCB, was a not only a
> loss of a great actor, he was... but a great director what he could
> be... CCB is a showcase of that...
I believe Motilal died three or four days after the release of the film -
due to its dismal showing at he box office. IIRC, the late Anil-da himself
mentioned this in an interview that he had gone to attend the premiere of
the film and three days later he had to go back to Bombay for Motilal's
funeral.
On a side note, I haven't yet seen the film myself. It never made to my
small hometown. Is it available on video/VCD? Does some kind soul on RMIM
have it on video, esp. in the U.S.? Would love to see it.
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Vinayak K.Gore
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Dear Pavan
I agree with you 100% that this is indeed a great song.However, I want
to highlight an unusual aspect of the lyrics of this song.I am
familiar with most of Shailendra's work, but in no other song I see
the bitterness, anger,deceit, frustration as in this song,especially
not at such a high intensity.
The emotions in the song are similar to
"jalaa do ise phoo.nk daalo yeh duniyaa
mere saamane se hataa do yeh duniyaa
tumhaarii hai tum hii samhaalo yeh duniyaa
yeh duniyaa agar mil bhi jaaye to kya hai"
although Shailendra is not as loud and crude in his expression as
Sahir.
Could it be that the emotions expressed by Shailendra in this song are
the reflections of his experiences while making Teesari Kasam, because
we all know that Shailendra experienced considerable difficulties in
making that film.
Just a thought.
Vinayak
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Deepak
released in 1965. Shailendra could not have become bitter about the failure
of his film yet to be released, when lyrics for Chhoti Chhoti Baaten were
written :-).
Shailendra has written several sad songs. The beauty of his style lay in the
use of simple words that could carry some profound feelings.
I find it interesting that the Jaagte Raho version of Zindagi Khwaab Hai as
well as the CCB version of Zindagi Khwaab Hai were written by Shailendra and
both were picturized on Motilal. The first one conveying easy going, don't
care perspective on life and the second one perhaps the most sentimental
Alvida ever said...
Deepak
"Vinayak K.Gore" <vinay...@rediffmail.com> wrote in message
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Vinayak K.Gore
> Teesri Qasam was released in 1966, where as Chhoti Chhoti Baaten was
> released in 1965. Shailendra could not have become bitter about the failure
> of his film yet to be released, when lyrics for Chhoti Chhoti Baaten were
> written :-).
I did not say that Shailendra became bitter due to failure of Teesari
Kasam at box office.He could have been bitter even before the film was
complete because he had enough troubles during the making of Teesari
Kasam (i.e the time when he wrote kuchh aur zamaanaa)such as the
problem with dates of Raj Kapoor and Wahida Rahman, thus delaying the
completion and pushing the production costs up and also some financial
mismanagement by his brother in law.
>
Vinayak
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Pavan Jha
One of the reasons for my liking of this song, is the Mood... The mood
was so brilliantly penned by Shailendra and excellently executed by
Anil da and Meena Kapoor.. The mood is not as aggresive or hard
hitting as "Jala do, phoonk daalo.." but does carry certain Vidrohi
Tevars...
The character lives on with the attitude of "Who cares" rather than
expressing anger or frustration as in "Jala do ise phhonk daalo ye
duniya"... I would prefer to call it "Bailossi Tevar" (??????) ...
Let the Duniya be there, I dont care.. She wanted to swim against the
river flow (could be the one reason to pitcurise it on the boat) while
Sahir was more aggresive , and doesn't want to stay in the river flow
in that song(tumhari hai tum hi sambhalo ye duniya)...
The two songs, though Vidrohi in nature, present two different
characters in a different state of mind..and more importantly present
character's anger and frustration according to the script...
> I am > familiar with most of Shailendra's work, but in no other song I see
> the bitterness, anger,deceit, frustration as in this song,especially
> not at such a high intensity.
> Could it be that the emotions expressed by Shailendra in this song are
> the reflections of his experiences while making Teesari Kasam, because
> we all know that Shailendra experienced considerable difficulties in
> making that film.
I do believe, legends like Shailendra, when they work on professional
assignments, would forget all the frustrations and personal pain and
write according to the characters and mood of the song..
Dont forget at the same time of CCB, Shailendra penned "Jaao re jogi
tum jaao re", "Titali udi", "Savere wali gaadi se " and "Duniya ki
sair kar lo"..
He was a true Legend....
Pavan Jha
Afzal A. Khan
Pavan Jha wrote:
In the thread about an Akbar Allahabadi ghazal
sung by Saigal, I had explained the sense of
the word "be~laus" (something like "without
ulterior motives" or "without expectation of
any return"). But the underlying idea is of
some act which can be deemed as "be~laus". In
that light, the term "be~lausee tevar" doesn't
quite suit the mood or tempo of this song. As
a matter of fact, the word "tevar" dosn't quite
go well with "be~laus". The poet is not talking
about any "Attitude" (in the recent sense of the
term).
Saahir's "Pyaasa" song, OTOH, not only depicts
anger but also a very quick transformation of the
mood into one of despair and surrender ("tumhaari
hai tum hi sambhaalo yeh duniya").
The remarkable thing about the CCB song is that
its "vidroh" is presented in a very calm, serene
and introspective manner. Both characters may
have suffered extreme disappointment in their
lives, yet they are at peace with the world.
Afzal
Vinayak K.Gore
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> I do believe, legends like Shailendra, when they work on professional
> assignments, would forget all the frustrations and personal pain and
> write according to the characters and mood of the song..
Although the above statement is generally true, a few of his songs
were based on real life incidents e.g.
1."chhoTiisii yeh duniyaa, pehchaane raaste hai" is what Shailendra
told Shankar and Jaikishan after he had a fight with both of them,
later it became mu.khaDaa of Rangoli song.
2."muD muD ke naa dekh" - is what Shailendra said to Jaikishan when
the latter was looking at a beautiful girl, later it became the
mu.khaDaa od Shree 420 song.
3."nanhe munne bachche" - after the birth of Shailendra's first child
someone suggested to Shailendra to get the astrological chart of the
child made.Shailendra rejected the idea and wrote the above song.
4."jangal me.n mor naachaa kisii ne naa dekha" is also based on an
real life incident.Once Shailendra returned home after a party.As he
had consumed lot of alcohol, he was walking unsteadily after getting
out from his car.Seeing that, Hemant Kumar's (who was his next door
neighbour) sister in laws, 6 or 7 of them, started laughing at
him.Based on this he wrote "ham jo tho.Diisii piike zaraa jhuume hai
re sab ne dekha"
In the light of above, it is legitimate to attempt to correlate the
feelings expressed in a "kuchh aur zamaanaa" and Shailendra's troubled
state of mind, possibly a result of stresses and strains he suffered
during the making of Teesari Kasam.
Vinayak
Afzal A. Khan
"Vinayak K.Gore" wrote:
What is the source of these stories ?
Afzal
Vinayak K.Gore
> "Vinayak K.Gore" wrote:
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> What is the source of these stories ?
The stories about "choTiisii yeh duniyaa" and "muD muD ke naa dekh"
are from a Marathi book "Geetayatri" written by Prof.Madhav Moholkar
who was, Shailendra's friend and claimed that he got them from
Shailendra himself.The story about "jangal me.n mor naachaa" was put
on SKS and Shailendra groups and I read the story about "nanhe munne
bachche" in some article on Shailendra.
Regards
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> Afzal