CONCERT AT HINDU TEMPLES? - Compilation 001
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Concert at Hindu Temples???
Saturday, May 22, 2010
You will never see a Mosque or Madrassa honouring Pt. Ravi Shankar or
any other Hindu artists, but look at what morons from a Temple
posted:
"Hindu Samaj Temple of . . .
"Remembering Ustad Ali Akbar Khan
The Greatest Musician of this Century
A tribute to Late Ustad Ali Akbar Khan
Shri Alam Khan
(son of Ustad Ali Akbar Khan)
on the Sarod
in Concert with
Pt. Anindo Chatterjee
On the tabla
[...]"
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Forwarded message from H. K.
Saturday, May 22, 2010
Truly Morons ....
How long we will continue to act as brain dead..IMPRACTICAL...people.
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Forwarded message from D. K.
Indian classical Music is our heritage that goes back to the Vedic
period. Traditionally our Hindu temples have attached to therm both
resident classical musicians as well as visiting musicians who come
from far and wide to join the music sessions held by the Temple
Management.. and people gather at the our temples (not the Sanctum
Sanctorum) but the Pandal outside the temples to listen to the
rendering of the Musicians on occasions like Harbalab or at, Holi
times etc and the Music sessions go on sometimes lasting until the
early hours of the mornings. The first time I listened to two
Pakistani brothers Nazakat Ali Salamat Ali, very famous classical
singers belonging to Sham Chorasi Gharana (Hoshiarpur) at Durgiana
Temple Amritsar. The same sort of tradition is carried out by the
Sikh Ragis who sing Gurbani based on the Indian classical Music but
they sing within the Sanctum Sanctorum of the Gurdawara and in front
of the Guru Granth DSahib..
There is no Muslim tradition of singing any kind of Music or playing
any musical instrument in a Mosque or Madrassa, let alone the Indian
Classical Music. or .So there is no question of expecting them to
honour any classical singer be it Pt Ravi Shankar or Bade Ghulam Ali
Khan.
Maestros who love and promote our Classical Music have always been
considered as promoting our Vedic traditions in a serious way and
have therefore not been discriminated on the basis of their religious
affilitians
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Forwarded message from V. K.
Sunday, May 23, 2010
The following is the understatement of all times. Not only there is
no tradition of any music in Islam -- it is patently unIslamic.
Religiously speaking a Muslim musician is an oxymoron just a secular
Muslim. Either one can be secular or one can be Muslim -- one cannot
be both -- secular and Muslim. Orthodox Aurangzeb had banned all
music.
> There is no Muslim tradition of singing any kind of Music or playing
> any musical instrument in a Mosque or Madrassa, let alone the Indian
> Classical Music. or .So there is no question of expecting them to
> honour any classical singer be it Pt Ravi Shankar or Bade Ghulam Ali
> Khan.
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Forwarded message from D. K.
Many thanks for providing the background information about the Sarood
Nawas Ali Akbar Khan and his relationship with India and Pt Ravi
Shankar. I was aware of this through my uncle Thakur Dhara Chand who
was, for a period, a professor of Music in the Benaras University
and had personal relationship with the Sitar Maestro but decided not
to mention it fearing that Pt Ravi Shankar might be declared a
traitor to the nation.
I should however mention that Muslims have traditionally sung Naets
and Qwallis on the Muqbaras and Khankahs of Sufi saints like Nizam-u-
din Aulya or Khawaja Gharib Nawas at Ajmer but never in a mosque or
madrasa. and although their poems are in Urdu or Persian Language,
but the Music is always the Indian (Shastriye) Classical Music.
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Forwarded message from S. K.
1. There was only one Musical system in India before the invasion by
Muslims.
2. India has the history of Music as early as 10,000 years earlier
when Sage Agasthyar had composed the verses and sung it in the penta-
tone Mohana Raga, the first Raga ever sung on this planet. The
earliest works of Music does not speak of Saptaswara, which came
later, a wonderful discovery in India, by the string Instrument
Veena, first without frets and later with frets.
3. Sarangadeva was the Kashmiri Brahmin who wrote the intital
extensive work on Music Sangeethratnakara was one of the most
comprehensive and extensive work on Classical Music, with Sanskrit
SLoka-s and explanations given in all the aspects of Music. Indeed
there were other works too by Sangeethamakarandom, Naradasiksha and
Naradeeyom by Sage Narada, Bharata's Natyashastra and a hundred other
works before Islamic intrusion into Music of India.
4. It was Amir Khustru,(1253-1324) born of a Hindu Etawah Woman and a
Persian Muslim, who inherited musical tallents from his mother,
started experimenting on Music and the instruments. He got the
Maddalam/ Mridangam cut into two and Tabla was born. He converted the
horizontally placed playing Veena to vertical Sitar by adding
resonating strings and providing gaps for gamaga (moving fron one
note to next by pulling or pressing the string). There was no Tabla
and Sitar before Amir Khusru.
5. Up to the period of Jayadeva and his Ashtapadi extolling Krishna's
virtues played in Bengal and North East esp. Manipur, there was only
one Music throughout India. With Amir Khusru coming into the picture
and changing the music from earlier devotional ones to convert them
for praising the Emperor, and changing the Classical dances to Court
dances to please the Kings and nawabs, Kathak was born more to please
humans after Khsru's time. Earlier it was all dance devotional to
Krishna.
6. The Hindustani Music originated by the Muslim rulers virtually
taking the Indian Hindu Musicians in confinement, the top Musicians
virtually imprisoned by the Mughal Rulers to teach the families, the
Nawabs and Governors following the same method by forcing Musicians
to teach only to their areas and Hindustani Music praising the Muslim
Rulers was born.
The Musicians, many of them not knowing many Raga-s, limited their
teaching to their own knowledge and style that could not be followed
by other groups and hence Gharana-s were born and a student of one
Gharana was prohibited from going to other Gharana, and if he did he
was osctracised and expelled!! A case-point is Kishori Amonkar.
7. Muslims have no Music and Quran forbids music and fine arts. But
the Muslims in India following the Mughal's love of Music esp. after
Khusru and Emperor Akbar with his Queen -sister of Raja Mansingh- had
love of music cultivated with Tansen present with Akbar for his
enjoyment and enlightenment.
8. The patronage given to Hindustani Music by the powers at Delhi
enabled the same to be followed widely, whereas the more difficult
original Indian Music now called Carnatic Music still maintains its
traditions, purity and devotional nature, unpolluted so far.
9. Most of the so called Muslim Musicians or Khans are Hindu converts
at one stage or other after Amir Khusru's time. The recent claim of
an East Bengal Musician Khan that his ancestors were Brahmin
Musicians with the surname Debabrata(?) and he wanted to restore his
original Brahmin surname is a typical case point that Music has come
down the line of Brahmins and Hindu-s and Muslims imbibed it and
changed it to suit their culture of human worship and erotic
phenomena.
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Forwarded message from D. T.
Our Indian culture our Bharati sabyata, our old traditions, our Music
our art are all so overwhelming that the people of other religion and
cultures who invaded our land ultimately lost their identity and
became Indians. The invading Muslims struggled to keep their original
Badouin version of Islam alive and resorted to all sort of weird
demands on the faithfulls but failed as this did not apply to the
native converts from say Tan Sen in the Durbar of Akbar to say late
Tabla Nawas (Pt) Allah Rakha remained true traditionalists
(Hindus?).
Aurangzeb was a desperate character like the Pakistani dictator Zia-
ul-Haq who tried to introduce Nizam-e-Mustafa in Pakistan in order to
perpetuate his own rule there for which the Pakistanis are now paying
through their blood. With all the talk about Islam,and
nothwithstanding, all the ridiculous and desperate Fatwas from
Deoband seminary,(they would do anything to make the Muslims stand
on their head to save their authority) a Pakistani citizen would give
anything to bring peace in their country and follow the same path to
progress as India. Rest is all politics.
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Forwarded message from P. C.
Music is forbidden in Islam. There are Hadis to that effect.. Sufism
is quite different from Institutional Islam.
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Forwarded message from K. K.
Hindu Temple of our area has so many times invited Muslim Quwaely
and Sufi singers from Pakistan; after bending backwards and touching
their heels, Hindus expected the Muslims come in hordes. The Muslims
still did not honor us with their presence, BECAUSE it was hosted in
the temple auditorium.
Hindus will never learn.
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Forwarded message from B. G.
Dear Hindu friends,
Let us not OVERDO things. Ali Akbar was ONE of the greatest musicians
of the 20th century and so is Ravi Shankar. Now, please note they are
disciples of Alauddin. Ali Akbar was the son and Ravi Shankar the son
in law (and he did not convert before marrying the daughter
Annapurna).
In the case of musicians it does not matter what their professed
faith be.
They all perform music dedicated to Hindu gods and goddesses and they
do the Hindu sadhana of music without which they cannot perform.
Instead of trashing their art becasue they are muslims or Christians
we should remind every one about the Hindu frame of mind and the life
style these people live.
As a matter of fact Hindu morons stop Yesudas Ibecasue he is a
Christian) from entering, what to talk of singing before the Deity.
I hope Hindu temples in the USA and India revive the practice of
making musicians play before the Isht.adeva, instead of just selling
tapes of bhajans in crummy shanties outside the temples. They should
ask dancers to perform archana at aarti times three times a day
before the Diety and not outside in the temple sorroundings during
festivals which are touristic and showbusiness.
Let us finally do the real things as they were done and are meant to
be done in worship of the Gods.
YOU WILL SEE THAT DOZENS OF MUSLIM MUSICIANS SHALL COME AND PERFORM
INSIDE THE TEMPLES AND SING THE COMPOSITIONS THEY PRESERVE NOW AS
'ART'
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Forwarded message from R. K.
There is difference between a Qwal and the classical Music.
Classical Musicians pay their obessiance to Shivs as Natraja and
Guru,before they perform. They were prime victims of conversion for
their art, but lived and are true to that form.
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Forwarded message from S. T.
Sunday, May 23, 2010
Please pardon my following dissent:
1. Ali Akbar may have been "one of the greatest musicians", but
unlike his moslem-only-in-name father Master Alauddin Khan who was a
devotee of the shAradAdevI established by bhojadeva, Ali Akbar
remained a committed Moslem throughout his life.
2. Ali Akbar's fundamental moslem stripes were most visible in 2006,
when from his deathbed in USA he denounced his Kokata-based famous
musician son Aashish Khan (now Ashish DebSharma) for renouncing Islam
and converting to Hinduism. Aashish Debsharma had revealed that his
great-grandfather then living at the court of a Nawab East-Bengal was
forced to accept the Moslem names and titles, although they never
really accepted Islam, and in private continued to practice Hindusim,
and that he has now openly returned to Hinduism, replaced the Moslem
title Khan with original family title DebSharma.
3. It is no secret that even Master Alauddin was Moslem only in name
but practically a Hindu in all other respects. After he received the
patronage of Maharaja of Maihar state in Madhya Pradesh, he openly
lived like a Hindu, became a devotee of Saraswati devi, even named
his grand children born there Aashish, Pranesh, Dhyanesh & Amaresh,
and raised them as Hindus.
4. It was by the prodding of the Maharaja that Hindu-at-heart
Alauddin converted his talented daughter, and youngest sister of Ali
Akbar, Roshan Ara to Hinduism and married her to Ravi Shankar after
giving her the name of Annapurna Devi -- rather than the Ravi Shankar
converting to Islam.
5. However, his only and the eldest son, Ali Akbar Khan, seems to
have been a more fundamental Moslem. It seems by this time he was
already past the age of receiving fresh cognitive upbringing. ToI
reported his following comments denouncing Aashish Debsharma's return
to the Hindu fold: "(he) is distraught. In an email to TOI from the
US, where Ali Akbar has settled down, he said: "I do not support his
(Aasish�s) choice. Unfortunately, many statements made by my son in
the newspaper regarding the history of my family are incorrect. My
family has been Muslims for many generations, and we will remain
Muslims. It is a shame that he is trying to reinvent the history of
our family and in turn hurting the past generation of our family."
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1945418.cms
This is the "Greatest Musicians of the Century" whose memory a Hindu
Temple wishes to celebrate, and you want more awake Hindus to not
object??
6. About your remark: <<<Hindu morons stop Yesudas Ibecasue he is a
Christian from entering, what to talk of singing before the Deity>>>
You are referring to the case of Guruvayur temple, and the "morons"
you referred to are the chief Thantris of its temple, who refused
entry to Jesudas a practicing christian. I do think Hindus are very
much in their rights to keep their temples to themselves. For now I
shall only paste the following comment written by Rajeev Srinivasan
back in those days: "I come down on the side of the authorities:
they have the right to restrict entry only to Hindus. For, Hinduism
is not looking to convert anybody, unlike the semitic religions. Any
non-Hindus coming into the temple, it can safely be assumed, are not
coming there to pray to the Hindu deity. They must be coming in as
tourists, to gawk. Since this is not a museum but a living place of
devotion, I think the authorities are right to insist that only
practising Hindus be allowed in -- presumably they will pray. In
Jesudas' case, the question was not whether he respects Hindu
deities, but whether he is Hindu. Since he isn't, I think the
authorities are perfectly within their right to not allow him in. If
Jesudas really wanted to go to Guruvayur that badly, he could have
converted to Hinduism. ...But wait, the very same Jesudas had trouble
getting his son baptised by a Christian church, because Jesudas sang
at Hindu temples! Jesudas and his wife are card-carrying Christians.
But the Christian church balked at the ceremony of sprinkling holy
water on their son because Jesudas had committed the 'crime' of
singing Hindu devotional songs!"
http://www.rediff.com/news/2000/oct/25rajeev.htm
Yes, I have seen Master Bismillah Khan (another name-sake-moslem
otherwise a practical Hindu) perform shehnai inside vishveshvara
temple in kAshI as well as at other temples. But then his iShTa was
ga~NgAdhara mahAdeva as he himself said in interviews. At one place
I had read him say that mahAdeva had once blessed him by listening to
his shehnai, and I once heard that he said that Goddess ga~NgAdevI
often appeared to enjoy his tunes too.
Ones like Bismillah Khan and Alauddin and are to be judged
differently from a "practicing moslem" Ali Akbars and a "practicing
christian" like Jesudas. I think Hindus need to be careful and need
not get unnecessarily emotional.
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Forwarded message from harmony
great reading there.
thanks.
i have known one indian woman in similar situation as jesudas. she is
a great musician, a very sweet lady, who sings only the classical
bhajans and nothing else. she is married to a wonderful white guy who
just does not care about kirastanism and rather be hindu. they both
are routinely invited to hindu events.
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I think I know who you are talking about.
They make the rounds throughout the country; I last saw them at a
gathering organized at the East-Wester Center at the University of
Hawaii.
Jai Maharaj, Jyotishi
Om Shanti
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Muslims.
2. India has the history of Music as early as 10,000 years earlier
when Sage Agasthyar had composed the verses and sung it in the penta-"
Nonsense, the original people of s. asia, the tribals, have for tens of
thousands of years had music and ways of producing it. The several
hundred cultures of tribals all have their own musical traditions.
Any claim of history by documentation or for any activity 10000 years
ago is absurb. Writing was developed in middle east about 5000 years
ago.
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Monday, May 24, 2010
> YOU WILL SEE THAT DOZENS OF MUSLIM MUSICIANS SHALL
> COME AND PERFORM INSIDE THE TEMPLES AND SING THE
> COMPOSITIONS THEY PRESERVE NOW AS 'ART'"
Musicians will go where ever there is money. That is how and why they
converted to Islam anyway. I agree with S. T. that Ali Akbar was a
muslim. His half white son which I think he named himself, is Alam
Khan. Ali Akbar has himself invented history linking himself to Tanna
Misra (Tansen).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A5Gh93hjjrA
http://www.aacm.org/school_faculty_aak.html
"Ali Akbar Khan's father, the late Acharya Baba Allauddin Khan, is
acknowledged as the greatest figure in North Indian music of the 20th
century. Their family traces its gharana (ancestral tradition) from
Mian Tansen, a 16th century musical genius and court musician of
Emperor Akbar, to Mohammed Wazir Khan, court musician of Rampur State
and Baba Allauddin Khan's guru."
End of forwarded message from M. K.
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