"Gagana Sadana Tejomaya" - non P-stat details request
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
This song (based on a natyageet based on a Tilak Kamod bandish) from
the Marathi movie "Umbartha" (early 80s?) is something of a standard
for many listeners familiar with Marathi music. I, however, have only
recently become more intimately familiar with it. The song has taken
over my brain for the last few days, can't get it out of my head.
Hridaynath Mangeshkar seems to have resisted his usual urges as an MD
to "be different", and the result is stunning. The sweetness of the
early Lata Mangeshkar is missing, there are tiny hints of fatigue in
spots, but the sincerity, overall grace, power, and grandeur of the
rendition is unmistakable and, IMO, awe-inspiring - to use one of my
favorite expressions when talking about LM's renditions -
"devastatingly beautiful"...
I wax sentimental - can someone here fill me in on the picturization
details of this song (who, what, why) in the context of the movie?
A related query - I believe "Umbartha" was made in Hindi as "Subah" -
try as I might, I haven't been able to locate a good plot synopsis for
either of these. Any help on that front would be greatly appreciated as
well.
Thanks in advance,
Sanjeev
Deepak Sabnis
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> RMIMers,
>
> This song (based on a natyageet based on a Tilak Kamod bandish) from
> the Marathi movie "Umbartha" (early 80s?) is something of a standard
> for many listeners familiar with Marathi music. I, however, have only
> recently become more intimately familiar with it. The song has taken
> over my brain for the last few days, can't get it out of my head.
> Hridaynath Mangeshkar seems to have resisted his usual urges as an MD
> to "be different", and the result is stunning. The sweetness of the
> early Lata Mangeshkar is missing, there are tiny hints of fatigue in
> spots, but the sincerity, overall grace, power, and grandeur of the
> rendition is unmistakable and, IMO, awe-inspiring - to use one of my
> favorite expressions when talking about LM's renditions -
> "devastatingly beautiful"...
You have articulated my own sentiments including the wish that Lata was
younger when she sang it, the "taking over" effect.
Deepak
Arunabha
Sanjeev Ramabhadran wrote:
> RMIMers,
>
> This song (based on a natyageet based on a Tilak Kamod bandish) from
> the Marathi movie "Umbartha" (early 80s?)
The sweetness of the
> early Lata Mangeshkar is missing, there are tiny hints of fatigue in
> spots, but the sincerity, overall grace, power, and grandeur of the
> rendition is unmistakable and, IMO, awe-inspiring - to use one of my
> favorite expressions when talking about LM's renditions -
> "devastatingly beautiful"...
You have described the appeal of the song very well. For Subah the song
was replaced by a completely different tune though in the same mould,
"tum aashaa vishwaas hamaare". Although the singing falters in the
latter, I am equally partial to both. HM's matching of melody and mood
to Pt. Narendra Sharma's lyrics is perfect."tum aashaa" has a very
beautiful Bengali counterpart (tumi paathar chokhero je drishTi) in
which Lata's singing is distinctly less tired and superior to the
Hindi. Also check out "bhaya ithale sampata naahii" from the same
combination - a divine piece in Yaman.
> I wax sentimental - can someone here fill me in on the picturization
> details of this song (who, what, why) in the context of the movie?
Subah is a Hindi dubbing of Jabbar Patel's Umbartha, starring Smita
Patil and Girish Karnad in lead roles. It's generally regarded as one
of the important feminist films of its time. Smita Patil plays the role
of a housewife who, bored with her comfortable but limited existence,
relocates, leaving her kid daughter and joint family behind, to a
remote village as a warden for a battered women's rehabilitation
centre. The film is atmospheric and disturbing, handled with subtlety,
and carefully steers clear of offering simplistic resolutions to the
problems it raises -- definitely worth a watch. "gagan sadan"/"tum
aashaa vishwaas" plays as a group prayer sung by the inmates as part of
the new regulations instituted by Smita Patil's character. [there's
nothing remarkable about the picturization]
Two other great songs from the film are Lata's "sunyaa sunyaa maifiliit
maajhyaa" and a song by Ravindra Sathe whose lyrics escape me right
now. The remaining songs are ok -- there's a Lata & chorus song
"chaa.Nd maatalaa maatalaa, tyaalaa kashii aavaDuu" which is a festive
song but HM uses the chorus countermelody in his trademark style to
provide an ominous undercurrent. The Hindi version replaced it with a
bland "chaitii puunam kaa chandaa chitachor" which was recycled by HM
in "Meera Soor Kabeeraa" as the equally bland "nainaa lobhii re"
I don't know about the availability of Subah (I believe stores in NY
used to carry the video earlier) Alurkar has released the VCD of
Umbartha, which I picked up at Rhythm House in Mumbai.
-- Arunabha
arm...@gmail.com
Arunabha,
Thanks a bunch! That was fast...the picturization is pretty close to
what I figured, but I really like this song as a prayer, moreso than
its Hindi counterpart.
Sanjeev
arm...@gmail.com
Thanks Deepak. I should clarify - though there are signs of aging in
her voice, for once I don't actually mind that this was not sung by the
young Lata (let me rewind that part :-))...the slight wear seems to
lend the song a stateliness that may not have been possible for the
younger Lata, and some fatigue aside, I wouldn't say she falls short of
the song's technical requirements here.
Sanjeev
Srinivas Ganti
I wudn't take a very early Lata for this kind of song. The hue of her
65ish to 75ish
voice wud have been perfect for me. It wud give a "giit mere jagaaye
sulaaye tujhe"
kind of soothing effect.
Deepak Sabnis
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>
>
> I wudn't take a very early Lata for this kind of song. The hue of her
> 65ish to 75ish
> voice wud have been perfect for me. It wud give a "giit mere jagaaye
> sulaaye tujhe"
> kind of soothing effect.
Sanjeev said the same thing. I agree. When I said, younger, I did not mean
Lata from the 40's. I would prefer her voice in the mid-60's for this song.
Unless I am mistaken, the movie Umbartha is from 1982 or there abouts.
I would also like to hear it in HM's voice. I feel the song will sound very
nice in a good male voice. But then I do have peculiar tastes in music :-)
Deepak
aanand
mazya'. In Hindi i guess it was sung by Lata as " chand rozza jindagi
hain char din hain jindagi ke'
Hridaynath has composed this song referring to master dinanath song'
Vitari prakhar tejobal' whose recording is available on Dinanath CD.
rgds
anand.
pradeep
Arunabha wrote:
>
....................<snipped>...................................
>
> Subah is a Hindi dubbing of Jabbar Patel's Umbartha, starring Smita
> Patil and Girish Karnad in lead roles. It's generally regarded as one
> of the important feminist films of its time. Smita Patil plays the role
> of a housewife who, bored with her comfortable but limited existence,
> relocates, leaving her kid daughter and joint family behind, to a
> remote village as a warden for a battered women's rehabilitation
> centre. The film is atmospheric and disturbing, handled with subtlety,
> and carefully steers clear of offering simplistic resolutions to the
> problems it raises -- definitely worth a watch. "gagan sadan"/"tum
> aashaa vishwaas" plays as a group prayer sung by the inmates as part of
> the new regulations instituted by Smita Patil's character. [there's
> nothing remarkable about the picturization]
>
> Two other great songs from the film are Lata's "sunyaa sunyaa maifiliit
> maajhyaa" and a song by Ravindra Sathe whose lyrics escape me right
> now. The remaining songs are ok -- there's a Lata & chorus song
> "chaa.Nd maatalaa maatalaa, tyaalaa kashii aavaDuu" which is a festive
> song but HM uses the chorus countermelody in his trademark style to
> provide an ominous undercurrent. The Hindi version replaced it with a
> bland "chaitii puunam kaa chandaa chitachor" which was recycled by HM
> in "Meera Soor Kabeeraa" as the equally bland "nainaa lobhii re"
>
> I don't know about the availability of Subah (I believe stores in NY
> used to carry the video earlier) Alurkar has released the VCD of
> Umbartha, which I picked up at Rhythm House in Mumbai.
>
> -- Arunabha
Very well written review of the film. Thanks, Arunabha
.....Pradeep
Poma
"Arunabha" <roy.ar...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Incidentally, this was perhaps the first Marathi film which brought into
focus the issue of lesbians in a subtle way but never pontificated on whats
wrong or right, moral or immoral.
"gagan sadan"/"tum
> aashaa vishwaas" plays as a group prayer sung by the inmates as part of
> the new regulations instituted by Smita Patil's character. [there's
> nothing remarkable about the picturization]
>
> Two other great songs from the film are Lata's "sunyaa sunyaa maifiliit
> maajhyaa" and a song by Ravindra Sathe whose lyrics escape me right
> now. The remaining songs are ok -- there's a Lata & chorus song
> "chaa.Nd maatalaa maatalaa, tyaalaa kashii aavaDuu" which is a festive
> song but HM uses the chorus countermelody in his trademark style to
> provide an ominous undercurrent.
The song is Chand matala matala tyala kashi AavaRU which means to control.
Rgds,
Poms
Arunabha
aanand wrote:
> The Ravindra sathe song which Arunabha is referring is "Ganjalya Othas
> mazya'. In Hindi i guess it was sung by Lata as " chand rozza jindagi
> hain char din hain jindagi ke'
Thanks for filling that in. What are the details of the Hindi song
(film/non-film) ?
In the film (Subah) there was an entirely different song in a male
voice for the same
situation "raat ga_ii ho gayaa saveraa"
Deepak wrote:
I would also like to hear it in HM's voice. I feel the song will sound
very
nice in a good male voice. But then I do have peculiar tastes in music
:-)
Maybe not as peculiar as you think. HM fans hold that every composition
of his sounds
better when rendered in his voice (e.g. in Bhaavsargam and other
concert performances
by him) ! I recently heard a solo concert version of "saagaraa praaN
taLamaLalaa" in
his voice and have to admit that, though the original song is
wonderful, his renditions
with their relaxed unhurried feel, and occasional departures from the
set pattern, have
a charm entirely of their own.
-- Arunabha
Manohar
rudderles. Sudhir Phadke's is much better.
Manohar
Arunabha wrote
:
Abhay Phadnis
(snip)
> Incidentally, this was perhaps the first Marathi film which brought into
> focus the issue of lesbians in a subtle way but never pontificated on whats
> wrong or right, moral or immoral.
(Completely OT, but...) The last part of that sentence is way off the
mark. The protagonist's reaction to the lesbian relationship between
two inmates is one of disgust and anger; this reaction is not mitigated
by any attempt to look at the issue differently by either the
protagonist or any other character in the film. Indeed, the protagonist
tells the two inmates (not verbatim but in essence), "You have been put
into this institution because of your immoral behaviour outside, but
even here you continue to behave in the same way!"
For me, this was the low point of "Umbartha/Subah" - that the
protagonist, who has chosen to tread her own path in life at a high
personal cost, cannot accept others' life choices is - well, sad, to
say the least.
As to the original topic of this thread: a wonderful song indeed! I
like it a lot more than its Hindi counterpart (although that is a very
good song too). Despite Lata's diminished singing capabilties by that
time, I can't bear to think of this song sung by anyone else - her
rendition is truly majestic! The lyrics of the Marathi version are also
much better: I find the Hindi lyrics forced and awkward in places.
Warm regards,
Abhay
Poma
"Manohar" <manoha...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I call it Saagara praN MaLmaLala. The soors as usual go around
> rudderles. Sudhir Phadke's is much better.
>
>
> Manohar
>
Yet another beautiful rendition by Mangeshkar family.
Ne majsi ne parat matrubhoomila, saagara pran talmalala, talmalala saagara
the lyrics AFAIK by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar aka Veer Savarkar composed
while serving the Kalapani sentence. It reflects his yearning to go back to
motherland Hindustan.
Rgds Poms
Manohar
when he wrote it.
Manohar
Pramod
Abhay Phadnis schrieb:
Oh! I thought they were reprimanded because they were fighting with
each other. Didn't know that the two women loved each other.
I think it must be atleast 15years back that I saw the movie on
Doordarshan on a sunday afternoon. I can remember, I had a long
discussion with friends of mine if it was morally right of the
character of Girish Karnad to fall in love with another woman in the
absence of his wife and what it would have been if it was vice versa! I
was bashed up verbally by my friends for even putting up this question!
:-)
But returning to the music of the movie. I find the rendition of
Chaa.nd matalaa matalaa by Lata as too tame. a.ngii vaNavaa peTalaa is
sung as if she has just finished cleaning the shelves. This song is
rendered at a time when the character of Smita Patil is longing for her
husband. When I'm not mistaken her husband comes to meet her and they
really can't come together because of her work. And this song follows
afterwards. Please correct me if I am wrong.
I would have wished some more passion to be put in the song. for
example Asha did it in a very subtle but effective way in "taruN aahe
raat ajunii" alone the amount of passion she puts in the word
"usaLatii" in the line "usaLatii hR^idayaat maajhyaa amR^itaachyaa
dhu.nd laaTaa" is phenomenal. Great song that!
regards
Pramod
Manohar
times, a poor piece of acting by GK at times. The lesbian scene was new
for the Marathi viewers but they took in a stride. There was no adverse
reaction from any one including Shiv Sena.
The girls deciding to name the child Amitab was very hilarious.
Manohar
aanand
Marathi movie had 4 songs while hindi one had 6 ( one more song by lata
--hum dono hum dono donon hum)
I have not seen hindi movie.
rgds
anand.