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Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)

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Success Record of S-J from 1949 to 1971 ( When Jaikishen died)

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1949 Barsat SH
1951 Baadal SH
1951 Kaali Ghata SH
1951 Naginaa SH
1951 Awaaraa SH
1952 Parbat good
1952 Poonam SH
1952 Daag SH
1953 Aas good
1953 Naya Ghar good
1953 Aurat SH
1953 Patita SH
1953 Shikast SH
1953 Aah SH
1954 Pooja good
1954 Baadshaah good
1954 Boot Polish SH
1954 Mayur Pankh SH
1955 Shri 420 SH
1955 Seema SH
1956 Kismat Ke Khel flop
1956 Patraani good
1956 Halaku SH
1956 New Delhi SH
1956 Raaj Hatth SH
1956 Basant Bahaar SH
1956 Chori Chori SH
1957 Begunath ok
1957 Katputhli SH
1958 Baaghi Sipahi flop
1958 Yahudi SH
1959 Chhoti Bahen SH
1959 Kanhaiyaa SH
1959 Love Marriage SH
1959 Main Nashe Main Hoon SH
1959 Shararat SH
1959 Ujaalaa SH
1959 Anaari SH
1960 Gaban Hit
1960 College Girl ok
1960 Dil Apnaa Aur Preet Paraayee SH
1960 Ek Phool Char Kaante SH
1960 Jis Desh Mein Gangaa Behti Hai SH
1960 Singapore SH
1961 Boy Friend good
1961 Karorpati Hit
1961 Roop Ki Raani Choron ka Raaja Hit
1961 Jab Pyaar Kisi Se Hotaa Hai SH
1961 Junglee SH
1961 Sasuraal SH
1961 Aas Ka Panchhi SH
1962 Rangoli Hit
1962 Asli Naqli SH
1962 Dil Tera Deewaanaa SH
1962 Haryaali Aur Raastaa SH
1962 Professor SH
1962 Aashiq SH
1963 Ek Dil Sau Afsaane Hit
1963 Hamraahi SH
1963 Dil Ek Mandir SH
1964 Beti Beta Hit
1964 Apne Hue Paraaye Hit
1964 April Fool SH
1964 Ayee Milan Ki Bela SH
1964 Raajkumaar SH
1964 Sangam SH
1964 Zindagi SH
1965 Gumnaam SH
1965 Jaanwar SH
1965 Arzoo SH
1966 Amrapali Good
1966 Budtameez Hit
1966 Pyar Mohabbat Hit
1966 Love In Tokyo SH
1966 Suraj SH
1966 Teesri Kasam SH
1967 Gunaahon Ka Devta Flop
1967 Around The World Hit
1967 Choti Si Mulaaqaat OK
1967 Hare Kaanch Kee Chudiyaan OK
1967 Aman Ok
1967 An Evening In Paris SH
1967 Diwana SH
1967 Raat Aur Din SH
1968 Jhuk Gayaa Aasmaan Hit
1968 Kahin Aur Chal Hit
1968 Kanyadaan Hit
1968 Mere Huzoor Hit
1968 Sapnon Ka Saudagar Hit
1968 Duniyaa OK
1968 Shikaar SH
1968 Brahmachaari SH
1969 Sachaai flop
1969 Yakeen flop
1969 Bhai Bahen flop
1969 Pyar hi Pyar Good
1969 Shatranj good
1969 Prince Hit
1969 Tumse Accha Kau Hai Hit
1969 Chanda aur Bijli OK
1969 Jahan Pyar Miley OK
1970 Umang flop
1970 Bhai Bhai flop
1970 Dharti good
1970 Tum Haseen Main Jawaan good
1970 Mera Naam Joker SH
1970 Paglaa Kahin Kaa SH
1970 Pehchaan SH
1971 Balidaan flop
1971 Duniya Kya Jaane flop
1971 Ek Naari Ek Brahmachari flop
1971 Ek Paheli flop
1971 Elaan flop
1971 Main Sundar Hoon flop
1971 Jaane Anjaane good
1971 Jawan Mohabbat good
1971 Jwaala good
1971 Kal Aaj Aur Kal good
1971 Laal Pathhar good
1971 Nadaan ok
1971 Patanga ok
1971 Seema ok
1971 Albela ok
1971 Andaaz SH

SKalra902

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Jan 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/6/00
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I presume it is the music that is denoted to be Super Hit...... not the film.
:))

Music of Baadshaah was also super-hit, though tempered by the failure of the
film.

Kismet Ka Khel is atypical, both the music and the film did not catch on, even
though the songs were (are) very good.

College Girl was the first film in which the lyrics were principally by
Rajinder Krishan, not the team of Sailendra and Hasrat, though there was one
song of Shailendra in it, IIRC.

Krorepati went the same way as Kismet Ka Khel.

Music wise, Ek Dil Sau Afsaane and Beti Bete should both be SH.

Diwana as a film was a total flop, and even some of the songs which had been
released at least two or three years prior to the film (Mukesh solos mostly)
lost their magic in the unimaginative picturization in the movie. Besides the
Mukesh songs, there is nothing much in Diwana's music to remember about. Ditto
for Sapnon Ka Saudagar, even though the Mukesh solo "woh zindagi, air meri
bebasi" is an excellent and beautifully orchestrated composition.
And the same goes for Kahin Aur Chal - songs were released more than three
years prior to the film, and the only two popular songs were two Lata solos,
"re aane wale aa", and the soulful "zindagi sehra bhi hai".

Some of the Jwaala songs were also released way back in the early 60's,
probably in 1963 or so. The film was majorly delayed due to Madhubala's
illness.

I persoanlly agree with your ratings for Mere Huzoor, Kanyadaan, Jhuk Gaya
Aasmaan, but their music was SH.

Aarzoo (1965) was, to the best of my knowledge, a Jaikishan solo effort.

Once past the early mid-60's, their ratio of SH keeps on declining - perhaps
not entirely unrelated to Shankar's involvement with - you know who.

Boot Polish was the only film until Suraj, in which SJ did not have a single
song of Lata. Suraj was quickly followed by many others like Around The World,
Hare Kaanch Ki Chudiyaan, An Evening in Paris, Diwana, Brahmachari, Duniya,
Shikaar, Sachchaaii, etc., etc., which had no Lata songs. Of these, mention
must be made of the Lata-less Mera Naam Joker which was the first flop for Raj
Kapoor after Aah and Ab Dilli Duur Nahin.

Happy listenings.

Satish Kalra

Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)

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Jan 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/7/00
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Thanks for raising some points. I agree that in many cases the
music though GREAT, could not be classified as SH. Kararpati songs are
really very catchy but film came and went without traces. The other
point is very valid that S-J with S-H were not good and the first
example is College Girl; from this film only one Lata Chorous ( Babul
Hum tere Angna Ki Chidiya) s nown.
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vijay...@my-deja.com

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In article <0CF260C495FED111A661...@mail3.ntu.edu.sg>,

"Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)" <ASCH...@ntu.edu.sg> wrote:
>
> Success Record of S-J from 1949 to 1971 ( When Jaikishen died)
>
> 1960 Singapore SH
> 1966 Amrapali Good
>
I am sure you have your reasons for the classification, and I will let
it go without argument....but not entirely.
The above two have me really puzzled. Jog my memory a bit, what songs
were there in Singapore for it to be a SH (Amrapali as "Good" is merely
given for reference)
gussa na karo. bachcha samajh ke jaane do. Even Amrapali came before I
was born :-)

Vijay


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Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)

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Jan 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/8/00
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No Gussa Mr. Vijay.

The basis of classification for Super Hit and Good was simple: Superhit
in this case means every Indian from Rikshawala to Paanwalah to Nautanki
walah was singing these songs and they still do. But good songs from
films like Amrapali were qualitatively far superior but not on the lips
of everyone.

The difference between Hit and Super Hit is the Number of song from that
particular film that were known to all

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Sanjay Joshi

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SKalra902 wrote:

> Once past the early mid-60's, their ratio of SH keeps on declining - perhaps
> not entirely unrelated to Shankar's involvement with - you know who.

Who?

> Happy listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra


Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)

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Jan 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/8/00
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Who else but Sharda

Ashok

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Jan 10, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/10/00
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In article <0CF260C495FED111A661...@mail3.ntu.edu.sg>,
ASCH...@ntu.edu.sg says...


I was wondering what SH stood for. Some films were designated "hit".
One explanation came to mind when I saw "SH" applied to rubbish, trash
and bombs like Singapore, Zindagi, Gumnaam, Diwana, and Shikar was that:
"SH" stands for a four-letter word rhyming with "hit" and that the author
was being delicate in shortening it. But the explanation didn't square
with some other that got the "SH" designagtions, e.g., Seema, Basant Bahar.

The films I have named above didn't have a large number of songs popular
with Indians in every walk of life. Calling them superhit--a class that
includes Sangam for example--is baloney. Taking as example, the film
noted by Vijay: I remember four songs of 'Singapore'

. ye shahar baDaa alabelaa

Mukesh and chours. One of the innumerable number of ugly Mukesh songs
S-J never tired of inflicting on listeners. Chorus sings "singapore"
in the interlude in a corny manner that is perhaps supposed to be
Far-Eastern. Pathetic effort compared to the great use of chorus by
many music directors Vijay talked about in his early RMIM posts.

. dekho ji dekho sun lo ye ba~~at
....
Another title song, I suppose. Lata is made to imitate Asha in
intonation and style and she doesn't succeed! Horrendous song.

. tu kahaa.n kho gayaa baalam matavaaraa
mai.n Dhoo.nDhoo.n tumhe.n galiyaa.n aur chaubaaraa

Lata solo. The only tolerable song from the film, as far as I remember.

. raajaa saayaa.ng re

Rafi-Lata duet. It is the kind of song that people automatically assume
to be popular with rikshaw-drivers and paanvaallaas. (I am personally not all
that familiar with the tastes of this segment of society, so I cannot confrim
that their taste is this bad. I do know one segment of the population where
such songs are popular: the educated idiots. For confirmation, just browse
RAMLI).

Superhit? My foot!

Looks like two non-identical evaluations are mixed up in the original list:
"hit/superhit" and "good". To be consistent, one nedds to provide two
designators for each film. Junglee, for example, would qualify as "SH" in
both the meanings. :)


Ashok


pankaj

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I am not know about this song being very popular in India or not but
it is extremely popular (kind of everyone knows the song) in Malayasia
and Indonesia. SJ lifted the first line and the tune from this Malay
song.

Pankaj

Ashok wrote:

> . raajaa saayaa.ng re
>
> Rafi-Lata duet. It is the kind of song that people automatically assume
> to be popular with rikshaw-drivers and paanvaallaas. (I am personally not all
> that familiar with the tastes of this segment of society, so I cannot confrim
> that their taste is this bad. I do know one segment of the population where
> such songs are popular: the educated idiots. For confirmation, just browse
> RAMLI).
>
> Superhit? My foot!
>

>
> Ashok

fanrafi.vcf

Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)

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Jan 11, 2000, 3:00:00 AM1/11/00
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This is RASA not RAAJA. RASA SAYANG means feeling/taste (Rasa) of love
(Sayang).

this is a popular Malay Song and the Mukhda Tune.

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> <<File: fanrafi.vcf>>

il_kh...@my-deja.com

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In article <85bbb...@news1.newsguy.com>,
ADhar...@WorldBank.Org (Ashok) wrote:

> > 1960 Singapore SH

> I remember four songs of 'Singapore'
>
> . ye shahar baDaa alabelaa
>
> Mukesh and chours. One of the innumerable number of ugly Mukesh
songs
> S-J never tired of inflicting on listeners. Chorus sings
"singapore"
> in the interlude in a corny manner that is perhaps supposed to be
> Far-Eastern. Pathetic effort compared to the great use of chorus
by
> many music directors Vijay talked about in his early RMIM posts.
>
> . dekho ji dekho sun lo ye ba~~at
> ....
> Another title song, I suppose. Lata is made to imitate Asha in
> intonation and style and she doesn't succeed! Horrendous song.
>
> . tu kahaa.n kho gayaa baalam matavaaraa
> mai.n Dhoo.nDhoo.n tumhe.n galiyaa.n aur chaubaaraa
>
> Lata solo. The only tolerable song from the film, as far as I
remember.
>

> . raajaa saayaa.ng re
>
> Rafi-Lata duet. It is the kind of song that people automatically
assume
> to be popular with rikshaw-drivers and paanvaallaas. (I am personally
not all
> that familiar with the tastes of this segment of society, so I cannot
confrim
> that their taste is this bad. I do know one segment of the population
where
> such songs are popular: the educated idiots. For confirmation, just
browse
> RAMLI).
>
> Superhit? My foot!

> Ashok


"Singapore" was quite a flop. IIRC, it was produced
by Eagle Films (F.C. Mehra), with whom Shammi Kapoor
had good personal and business relations. When the
original Minerva Theatre in Bombay was pulled down
and a new luxurious cinema hall (with the same name)
was constructed, I think the new entrepreneurs were
Shammi Kapoor and F.C. Mehra. Even earlier, the
producer had cast Shammi in his films, e.g. "Mujrim",
which had the same star-cast i.e. Shammi and Padmini.
Apart from the novelty of the Malay song, music of
"Singapore" was quite forgettable --- except for one
song which is my favourite from this movie.
"Aane laga jeene ka mazaa~~~, jaan gayi pehchaan gayi
ke mohabbat hai kya". I still recollect Padmini's
twinkling feet dancing to this melody. She was by far
the best screen dancer at the time. It is difficult
to describe why one likes any particular song so much,
while many others do not. I also remember my sense
of disappointment at the time that this song didn't
quite catch the listeners' fancy.


Afzal

il_kh...@my-deja.com

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In article <0CF260C495FED111A661...@mail3.ntu.edu.sg>,
"Roop Singh Chandel (Assoc Prof)" <ASCH...@ntu.edu.sg> wrote:
>
> Success Record of S-J from 1949 to 1971 ( When Jaikishen died)
>


Wasn't there one more film (towards the end of their
career) that seems to be missing here ?
"Preetam" stg. Shammi Kapoor, Leena Chandavarkar and
Mehmood. Or does it belong to the post-Jaikishan
period ?
"JahaaN Pyaar Mile" had some good music, but the film
just didn't run. I think Suman was the dominant singer
here.
Everybody knows about Lata'a tiff with Shanker. But,
curiously, long afterwards, Lata sang for Shanker in
"Sanyasi", which was released around 1976. By this
time, Shanker was composing alone, Jaikishan having
died in 1971. Any ideas as to how this rapprochement
came about ? IIRC, Lata sang practically all songs
from this film. Or is it that the songs had been
composed and recorded much earlier ? Another point
is that the recording quality of the "Sanyasi" songs
is quite mediocre --- or so it seemed to my ears.

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