Laxmikant-Pyarelal's Music. The "Real Hero" of the Films.
P. Ajay
LP was the first choice as a music director for any Producer/Director
in late sixties, seventies, eighties and in early nineties. In return
Laxmi-Pyare have given the justice to their respective films by given
good music. But there are some films in which the real "HERO" was
only Laxmikant-Pyarelal's music. The following selected, listed films
have no Major Star Cast, Even some of the films are B Grade and Low
Budget The entire success of the film was carried away by
Laxmikant-Pyarelal's "MAGICAL MUSIC". The film become super hit only
because of LP's smash hit music.
We will review such films and its "Powerful" music.
PARASMANI (1963):-
Rousing start by Laxmikant-Pyarelal. Being First Film of LP, they
make sure that all the songs are composed as per the standard of
early Sixties. The outcome was outstanding. Though the Film
"Parasmani" was a mystical film, the film is still remember only
because of its immortal songs. LP's very first film Hit the Box
Office despite of being B grade, Black & White, Mystical Film and no
major star cast to support. But the main cause of the super success
of the film was LP's SUPER HIT music. Who can forget ?
--Hasta Hua Nurani Chehara….. (Lata-Kamal Barot)
--Wo Jab Yaad Aaye Bahot Yaad Aaye ( Lata-Rafi)
--Ooi Ma Ooi Ma Ye Kya Ho Gaya …( Lata)
--Chori Chori Jo Tumse Mili To Log Kya Kahenge… (Lata-Mukesh)
--Mere Dil Main Halki See.. (Lata)
--Roshan Tumhi Se Duniya.. (Rafi)
DOSTI (1964):-
It was Rajashree Films Second Film. Black & White, Only two teenage
unknown actors. But the film broke all the records and the success
of the film undoubtedly goes to LP's Marvelous Music. Rajashree Films
got the fame, so does LP. Rafi wins Filmfare Awards as well as
National Award. It has also won the President Award for the best
film. How to use "classical ragas"; make it little simpler to create
Mass Appealing and Popular Songs is a best example of "Dosti" songs.
Mohammad Rafi was at its best. Laxmikant-Pyarelal's outstanding
music. LP composed majority of the songs in "Pahadi Raag".
--Chahunga Mian Tuze Sanz Sawere.. (Rafi)
--Mera To Jo Bhi Kadam Hai..(Rafi)
--Koyi Jab Raah Na Paye.. Meri Dosti Tera Pyar..(Rafi)
--Janewalo Jara Mudake Dekho Muze..(Rafi)
--Rahi Manawa Dukhati Chinta..(Rafi)
--Gudiya Hamase Ruthi Rahogi..(Lata)
MR X IN BOMBAY (1964):-
Another Mystical, non star cast, low budget,
Black & White film became super hit only because of LP's Melodious
Music who can forget
--Mere Mehaboob Quyamat Hogi… (Kishor)
--Chali Re Chali Re Gori Paniya …. (Kishor-Lata)
--Khoobsurat Haseena Jan-E-Jan-E-Man.. (Kishor-Lata)
--Zulmi Hamare Sawariyan Ho Ram.. (Lata)
--Allha Kare Tu Hi Ajaye (Lata)
SANT GYANESHWAR (1964):-
A Mythological, Black & White Film, No Star Cast. But Film SUPER HIT
ONLY BECAUSE OF HIT MUISC OF LP. Who can forget
--Jyot Se Jyot Jagate Chlo (Mukesh-Lata)
--Khabar More Na Lee (Lata)
--Ek Do Teen Chaar (Lata)
SATI-SAWITRI (1964):-
All the songs by Lata Mangeshkar. I feel Lata and Laxmikant-Pyarelal
along with Pandit Bharat Vyas, who has written the songs, have done
their best to give real "Class". All the words in each of the songs
have a special meaning in it. The best use of "Raag Yaman Kalyan"
and "Rag Kalawati". The Cassets/CD of this film are still in demand.
This mythological film is remembered only because of its "EVERFRESH"
music.
--Jeevan Dor Tumhi Sang Bandhi … Lata
--Tum Gagan Ke Chandram Ho Lata-Mannade
--Kabhi To Miloge Jeevan Sathi Lata
--Sakhiri Pee Ka Naam Na Puchho Lata
--Itani Jaldi Kya Hai Gori Sajan Ke Lata-Usha
LOOTERA (1965)
This B Grade, non star cast "King Queen" film, was Raj Kumar Kohli's
first film. The film was super hit. The credit once again goes to
LP's super hit music. Lata sang all the songs and all are hit and can
be herd even today. After this Raj Kumar Kohli-LP association
continued till 1990 (for about more than 15 films).
-- Kisi Ko Pata Na Chale Baat Ka
-- Raat Se Kaho Ruke Jara ( Melodious Western Style Song)
-- Sanam Raah Bhule Yahan
-- Nind Nigahon Se Kho Jaati Hai
-- O Dilwalo Saje Dil Pe Zumo ( Melodious Western Style Song)
-- Muze Dekhiye Main Koi Dastaan Hoon.
FARZ (1967)
The film was smash hit. This was LP's first "Golden Jubilee" Hit film.
It was yet another non-star cast film from south. This was the
second film of Jeetendra and Babita. This film has made Jeetendra a
"STAR". The "Super Hit" music of this film was solely responsible for
the success. The songs of the films are popular even today.
-- Mast Baharonka Main Aashiq…. Rafi
-- Hum To Tere Aashiq Hai …. Lata-Mukesh
-- Bar Bar Din Ye Aaye …. Rafi
-- Tumse Ho Haseena Kabhi Rafi-Suman Kalyanpur
-- Dekho Dekho Ji Socho Ji Lata
RAJA AUR RANK (1968)
Another "King-Queen", non star cast film with teenage actors. But
with super hit music of LP film celebrates Silver Jubilee.
-- O Phirkiwali Tu Kal Phir Aana … Rafi
-- Mera Naam Hai Chameli .. Lata
-- Tu Kitani Acchhi Hai … Lata
-- Rang Basanti .. Lata-Rafi
-- Mere Raja Mere Lal … Asha
KHILONA (1970)
The film was super hit. Sanjeev Kumar and Mumtaz were considered as a
B Grade actors. But this film has opened the success for them.
Powerful acting and LP's music were fully responsible for success of
the film. Who can forget the melodious songs like
-- Khilona Jaan Kar Tum To ……. Rafi
-- Sanam Tu Bewafa Ke Naam ….. Lata
-- Khush Rahe Tu Sada.. Rafi
-- Main Sharabi Nahin …. Rafi-Asha
JAL BIN MACHHALI NRITYA BIN BIJLI (1971)
Outstanding music. This V. Shantaram classic, non-star cast film was
hit only because of its music. Each and every song of the film has a
unique composition.
-- Man Ki Pyas Mere Man Se … Lata
-- Kajara Laga Ke Re Bindiya …. Lata
-- O Mitawa O Mitwa … Lata
-- Jo Main Chali Phir Na Milungi.. Lata
-- Baat Hai Ek Bund Si.. Lata-Mukesh
-- Taron Ne Sajake … Mukesh
BOBBY (1973)
Yet another non-star cast film (Rishi Kapoor and Dimple Kapadia's
first film). Not only star cast was new but also the male singers
were new. Shailendra Sing and Narendra Chanchal was introduce to the
film music by LP. Chancal won the Filmfare Award. Raj Kapoor was
looking for a "Supper Hit Film" and he got it. Yet again the success
of the film was carried away by LP's music. The music of the film
created a History.
-- Main Shayar To Nahin.. Shailendra Singh
-- Chabi Kho Jaye … Lata-Shailendra
-- Muze Kuchh Kehana Hai.. Lata-Shailendra
-- Main Maike Chali Jaungi Lata-Shailendra
-- Pyar Main Souda Nahin. Mannade-Shailendra
-- Beshaq Mandi Masjid … Narendra Chanchal
-- Tut Ke Dil Ke Tukade… Lata
-- Ai Fasa.. Lata
EK DUJE KE LIYE (1981)
This was the first hindi film for Kamal Hasan and Rati Agnihotri. Yet
another non-star cast musical block blaster, smash hit film. The
films success again was carried away by the melodious music by LP.
S. P. Balasubramanium was introduced to hindi film music. He won
Filmfare as well as the national award for this film.
-- Tere Mere Beech Main.. Lata/SPB
-- Hum Bane Tum Bane.. Lata-SPB
-- Hum Tum Dono Jab .. Lata-SPB
-- Mere Jeevan Saathi SKB-Chitra
-- Sola Baras Ki Bali Umar.. Lata-Anup Jalota
HERO (1983)
Subhash Ghai had played the gamble by taking new hero and heroin
(Jacky Shroff and Minakshee Sheshadri) for this film but at the same
time firmly depend and believed on LP's music. Yet another non-star
cast film, which got success only because of the hit music. LP's music
was part of the film and once again the music became the "Real HERO"
of the film. Excepting Lata's one song, fairly new and un-popular
singers sang all the songs. All the songs are still popular.
-- Pyar Karane Wale Kabhi Anuradha-Manahar
-- Ding Dong O Baby Sing Song Anuradha-Manahar
-- Tu Mera Janu Hai .. Anuradha-Manahar
-- Lambi Judai Reshma (From Pakistan)
-- Nindiya Se Aayi Bahar Lata
SURSANGAM (1985)
100% songs based on Indian Classical "Ragas". Yet another non-star
cast film but successful because of the music. The director and hero
of the film Mr. Girish Karnad, was reluctant about the capability of
LP to produce Classical Songs. But he was amazed when he heard all the
songs of the film. LP tried pure classical singers named Rajan Mishra
and Sajan Mishra. The result was fantastic. I think it was LP's one of
the best composition.
SAUDAGAR (1991)
PREM (1995)
Afzal A. Khan
"P. Ajay" wrote:
A fine summary of LP's major hits and their
music. Others will most likely differ from
you on some points.
My grouse is about your reference to "Sant
Gyaneshwar" as a "mythological". Wasn't he
a historical figure ? Of course, the
biographical treatment of his life and times
cannot be 100 % accurate in a historical context.
But then the same is true about "MuGHal-e-Azam",
"Sangeet Samrat Tansen", "Taj Mahal" etc.
I don't think "SG" should be called a Mythological.
Afzal
Rirfan6
IMHO 'ABHINETRI' is one of the best
musical film of L/P.
Irfan
Satish Kalra
news:4214a118.03091...@posting.google.com...
....snipped....
It appears you are in the process of writing a biography of Laxmi-Pyare, and
hence all of your posts are on them. Since I believe in "To Each His Own",
you can praise them to the sky. However, I would appreciate (and many
other RMIMers would too) if you follow certain spelling protocol.
For example, in "Chahunga Mian Tuze Sanz Sawere.. (Rafi)", and "Janewalo
Jara Mudake Dekho Muze..(Rafi)", 'tuze' and 'muze' should be written as
'tujhe' and 'mujhe' respectively.
Also, for an ardent fan of L-P like you seem to be, it does pay to get the
wordings of the songs right.
"Rahi Manawa Dukhati Chinta..(Rafi)" should be ".......dukh kii....". There
are other songs too where the wordings are not correct. I am leving it to
you to find them and correct them yourself.
>
> BOBBY (1973)
> Yet another non-star cast film (Rishi Kapoor and Dimple Kapadia's
> first film). Not only star cast was new but also the male singers
> were new. Shailendra Sing and Narendra Chanchal was introduce to the
> film music by LP.
The credit for introducing them goes to Raj Kapoor, not L-P.
>Chancal won the Filmfare Award. Raj Kapoor was
> looking for a "Supper Hit Film" and he got it.
I am sure he must have had a nice dinner. :-)
>>
> SAUDAGAR (1991)
>
> PREM (1995)
Saudagar and Prem as films with "magical" music! Sure as magical as the
"disappearing" act. Saudagar was the film with the "kii kii kii......." and
Prem with "...aatii nahiin aatii nahiin...."! Were they musical
compositions or were the music duo talking about the two sides of
"constipation". :-)
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Sudhir
There are errors and ommissions in your presentation. Please post a
message if you wish me to correct them. However, be forwarned.
Some my comments will be inflammatory and you may cry uncle.
Sach Chupane Se Kya Faiyda
Akhir To Haqeeqat Samne Aa Hi Jayegi
Sudhir
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milan...@yahoo.com (P. Ajay) wrote in message news:<4214a118.03091...@posting.google.com>...
Vinayak K.Gore
Mr.Ajay
You missed films like Harishchandra Taramati, Utsav, Satyam Shivam
Sundaram Mehendi Rang Laegi, Prem Rog.I am not particularly fond of
LP, but I observed one thing:The quality of LP songs is dependent on
quality of lyricist.Here are a few examples.
1.Bharat Vyas - Sati Savitri and Sant Dnyaneshwar
2.Pradeep - Harishchandra Taramati
3.Narendra Sharma - Satyam Shivam Sundaram and Prem Rog
4.Vasant Deo - Sur Sangam and Utsav (The best combination IMO)
5.Dr.Hareram Acharya - Mehendi Rang Layegi
6.Raja Mehedi Ali Khan - Anita
7.Sahir - Dastaan (especially "jab bhi jii chhaahe nayii duniya basaa
lete hai log ek chehere pe kai chehere lagaa lete hai log)and Daag
8.Shiv Kumar Saroj - Nag Mandir
9.Gulzar - Dakiya (the song :Dakiya dak layaa)
With Majrooh and Anand Bakshi LP has produced lot of junk.
regards
Vinayak
Surma Bhopali
>
> You missed films like Harishchandra Taramati, Utsav, Satyam Shivam
> Sundaram Mehendi Rang Laegi, Prem Rog.I am not particularly fond of
> LP, but I observed one thing:The quality of LP songs is dependent on
> quality of lyricist.Here are a few examples.
>
good MDs. Most of their memorable songs were composed when HFM was
ruled by seniors in 60s and RDB in 70s. When they themselves ruled or
some other junk composers like Bappi ruled, they got all the freedom
to score trivial songs.
> 1.Bharat Vyas - Sati Savitri and Sant Dnyaneshwar
> 2.Pradeep - Harishchandra Taramati
> 3.Narendra Sharma - Satyam Shivam Sundaram and Prem Rog
> 4.Vasant Deo - Sur Sangam and Utsav (The best combination IMO)
> 5.Dr.Hareram Acharya - Mehendi Rang Layegi
> 6.Raja Mehedi Ali Khan - Anita
> 7.Sahir - Dastaan (especially "jab bhi jii chhaahe nayii duniya basaa
> lete hai log ek chehere pe kai chehere lagaa lete hai log)and Daag
> 8.Shiv Kumar Saroj - Nag Mandir
> 9.Gulzar - Dakiya (the song :Dakiya dak layaa)
>
This last film I believe is "Palko Ki Chhaon Men".
aanand
rgds
anand.
nanhaf...@yahoo.co.in (Surma Bhopali) wrote in message news:<622ae881.03092...@posting.google.com>...
Vinayak K.Gore
> Did narendra sharma wrote for prem rog ? I doubt ? Which song ?
>
> rgds
> anand.
bha.Nware ne khilaayaa phuul phuul ko le gayaa raaj ku.Nwar.
Vinayak
Ashok
>
>"P. Ajay" <milan...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:4214a118.03091...@posting.google.com...
>
>....snipped....
>
>It appears you are in the process of writing a biography of Laxmi-Pyare, and
>hence all of your posts are on them. Since I believe in "To Each His Own",
>you can praise them to the sky. However, I would appreciate (and many
>other RMIMers would too) if you follow certain spelling protocol.
>Satish Kalra
Satish saab, I agree with the substantive point you made in the post,
which I have chopped off (viz., Ajay should exercise care in transliterating
the words of the songs. It doesn't really matter if one uses ITRANS scheme
or not. Ajay's transliteration is egregiously bad by any token.) I also
concur with your second point, which also I have chopped (viz., Ajay
should not describe as magical every LP song he mentions, as doing so
would militate in disfavour of his credibility). I also agree with your
third point ("hence all of your posts on them"). It is difficult to take
someone seriously if he is interested in Lata-Asha duets and seems to be
ignorant of (or indifferent to) "o chaa.Nd jahaa.N vo jaaye".
That said, why the sarcasm (biography)? Why the condescending tone ("To each
his own")? You have all along been a stalwart defender of S-J. I think
Ajay is doing a similarly serious and commendable job of shoring up the
standing of L-P. It's not a good idea for the kettle to call the pot
black either!
I hope Ajay would do well to take your advice and be more accurate and
selective in his writing and broader and deeper in his listening.
Ashok
Satish Kalra
news:bktlot$5oe76$1...@ID-74854.news.uni-berlin.de...
No sarcasm was meant at all. It was a genuine assumption going by his/her
L-P related posts. And now that assumption does not hold good - going by
the Lata-Asha duets post.
Yes, I have been a defender of S-J. But I think that even the staunchest
critic of S-J (at least on RMIM) would concede that I defend only their
good music, not 'all' their music. I would not include their songs from,
let us say, 'Parday Ke Piichhe' or 'Gumnaam' or 'Pyaar Muhabbat' in any S-J
list.
Happy Listenings.
Satish Kalra
Surjit Singh
> good music, not 'all' their music. I would not include their songs from,
> let us say, 'Parday Ke Piichhe' or 'Gumnaam' or 'Pyaar Muhabbat' in any S-J
Actually Gumnam had a reasonable adaptation of the Nancy Sinatra hit and
the nashiilaa usha-asha duet
piike hama jo chale aaye hai.n isa mahafila me.n
> list.
>
> Happy Listenings.
>
> Satish Kalra
>
>
--
Surjit Singh, a diehard movie fan(atic), period.
http://hindi-movies-songs.com/index.html
Shahrukh
> >hence all of your posts are on them. Since I believe in "To Each His Own",
> >you can praise them to the sky.
> That said, why the sarcasm (biography)? Why the condescending tone ("To each
> his own")? You have all along been a stalwart defender of S-J. I think
> Ajay is doing a similarly serious and commendable job of shoring up the
> standing of L-P. It's not a good idea for the kettle to call the pot
> black either!
> Ashok
To many SJ fans or devotees - Laxmikant Pyarelal appear as villains.
They strongly appear to believe that one of the key reasons for the
decline
and fall of SJ was LP.
One opinion which they would often assert is that LP any case modelled
themselves on the lines of SJ. Jaikishan being role model for
Laxmikant is the popular example.
And the second logical point that LP converted SJ's superb music
machine into
a mass producing factory ... that is the other criticism.
However, I have two questions for Ajay ...
One how come most of LP's music sublime as it might have been ...
evaporated so quickly? Remember, that they came and dominated the
music scene AFTER SJ ...
yet I doubt if their music is heard as much even today as SJ's
creations are still heard.
Secondly, SJ created heroes and their images. Raj Kapoor and Rajendra
Kumar are obvious examples. Which celluloid idols could be ones who LP
can claim to have created?
It would be interesting to discuss this ...
Thaks for a good case for LP any case ...
Cheers
Shahrukh
rkusenet
> To many SJ fans or devotees - Laxmikant Pyarelal appear as villains.
> They strongly appear to believe that one of the key reasons for the
> decline and fall of SJ was LP.
The guys who finally dethroned SJ from the top position were
Kalyanji-Anandji in 1970. From 1951-1969 SJ were the # 1 composers
for an incredible 18 odd yrs.
[ Source: Some program on history of Binaca Geet Mala in Srilanka
radio around 1986 ]
SJ lost out bcos of onslaught of LP/RDB/SJ. The death of Jaikishan
in 1971 completely finished them.
A quick question: Who composed the music of Lal Pathar. Was it
Shankar alone or Jaikishan.
> One how come most of LP's music sublime as it might have been ...
> evaporated so quickly? Remember, that they came and dominated the
> music scene AFTER SJ ...
> yet I doubt if their music is heard as much even today as SJ's
> creations are still heard.
please do no insult SJ by comparing them with LP. Sure they produced
tons of junk, but their quality work was leagues above LP's best.
rk-
Shahrukh
> Kalyanji-Anandji in 1970. From 1951-1969 SJ were the # 1 composers
> for an incredible 18 odd yrs.
> [ Source: Some program on history of Binaca Geet Mala in Srilanka
> radio around 1986 ]
Kalyanji Anandji too modelled a lot of their music on SJ lines.
For example, take Chhalia or even their use of Mukesh.
Dethroned? You mean they surpassed? SJ were anyway declining right?
Some examples might help here rkusenet.
> SJ lost out bcos of onslaught of LP/RDB/SJ. The death of Jaikishan
> in 1971 completely finished them.
I suppose you should include KA here right? Why have you NOT done
that?
> > yet I doubt if their music is heard as much even today as SJ's
> > creations are still heard.
>
> please do no insult SJ by comparing them with LP. Sure they produced
> tons of junk, but their quality work was leagues above LP's best.
Insult? Sorry chief ... but let us be reasonable ...
... how do SJ get insulted? I do not understand.
Let us not get touchy about this. You can surely compare them in terms
of number of films. Especially ratio of hits.
It will be nice if you be more specific in terms of what parameters
you refer to when you use the phrase 'their quality work was leagues
above LP's best.
Again a closer comparison with examples might help ADD to the
hypothesis of Ajay. Or it will soon lead to SJ jingoism which includes
the claim that SJ get insulted so easily! Cmon !
Of course my question to Ajay remains ...
in the matter of actually 'creating' stars and achieving an
unprecedented stardom themselves which I doubt if LP ever scaled
anywhere near that.
Cheers
Shahrukh
rkusenet
> Kalyanji Anandji too modelled a lot of their music on SJ lines.
> For example, take Chhalia or even their use of Mukesh.
>
> Dethroned? You mean they surpassed? SJ were anyway declining right?
> Some examples might help here rkusenet.
By dethroned I meant KA took over as # 1 by virtue of maximum hits
and number of films in that year. Till 1969, SJ were #1 using the
same criteria, whether they were declining or not.
Ameen Sayani has mentioned in BGM that no MD ever dominated BGM as
much as SJ. Given that SJ's competition were MDs like Naushad, Madan
Mohan, SDB, Roshan, Salil etc, one has to give them credit for
dominating HFM in 1950s/1960s.
> > SJ lost out bcos of onslaught of LP/RDB/SJ. The death of Jaikishan
> > in 1971 completely finished them.
>
> I suppose you should include KA here right? Why have you NOT done
> that?
Oops.. typo. SJ lost out bcos of onslaught of LP/RDB/KA.
rk-
Surma Bhopali
> "Shahrukh" <shahrukh...@indiatimes.com> wrote
>
> > Dethroned? You mean they surpassed? SJ were anyway declining right?
> > Some examples might help here rkusenet.
>
> By dethroned I meant KA took over as # 1 by virtue of maximum hits
> and number of films in that year. Till 1969, SJ were #1 using the
> same criteria, whether they were declining or not.
>
keep producing top quality stuff all through the career. Compared to
50s their quality worsened a lot in 60s, particularly in the later
half. To me their last good music was for Teesri Kasam(1966), after
that there is hardly anything to talk about. Perhaps their brand name
still kept selling for few more years until people realised they are
done and started looking for other options.
rkusenet
"Surma Bhopali" <nanhaf...@yahoo.co.in> wrote
> I think they declined out of natural decay in their career. One cannot
> keep producing top quality stuff all through the career. Compared to
> 50s their quality worsened a lot in 60s, particularly in the later
> half. To me their last good music was for Teesri Kasam(1966), after
> that there is hardly anything to talk about. Perhaps their brand name
> still kept selling for few more years until people realised they are
> done and started looking for other options.
what about Lal Pathar (1971). I felt it was v. good and much better
than Teesri kasam.
rk-
ps: was jaikishan alive at the time of Lal Pathar.
Surma Bhopali
60s/70s, but they don't appeal me as much as their 50s ones and their
bad-to-good ratio was high. Even Mera Naam Joker didn't appeal me
much.
rkusenet
"Surma Bhopali" <nanhaf...@yahoo.co.in> wrote
> I think they declined out of natural decay in their career.
when do u think RDB's natural decay started.
In pancham egroup many think he never decayed. I hope u are not as
fanatic as them.
My answer is of course well chrnoicled in rmim.
rk-
Surma Bhopali
My apologies for responding late. (I usually stay away from
computers/internet during the weekend)
I understand your opinion is RDB deteriorated in the 80s. I assume
that he was very good in the 70s which in any case is my opinion. Here
is my opinion on the 80s era as far as RDB is concerned.
A disclaimer first. I wasn't listening to HFM of 80s much (because of
personal circumstances) and therefore many songs of 80s just didn't go
past me. For something that I haven't heard I cannot pass my
judgement. So my assessment is based on what I have heard which is
less than 30% of the produce I suppose. I have a plan to fill up this
gap and try and listen to more 80s music, particularly those of RDB.
Secondly I am aware of general quality of movies falling steeply in
the 80s and very steeply in late 80s. I believe music being integral
part of a film, its quality is also bound to suffer. Movies with focus
on angry-young-man seeking revenge hardly require good romantic songs
compared to romantic movies. For a good composer it's like that
"literature" vs "pocket books" dilemma. You want to create something
good, but at the same time you also want people to take note of what
you have created. If you write a "pocket book" you are branded crap
but widely read by people. OTOH, if you write a good "saaahityik"
book, a handful of people may rate you highly, but most ignore you. It
is very hard to strike a balance if the ambience is not supportive of
creativity.
Third, the followers of 70s (read L-P, Bappi) started ruling the music
scene in 80s. Rulers always have impact on the trend. Can you imagine
it was Bappi who composed these songs:
- pyaar maa.ngaa hai tumii se
- chalte chalte mere ye giit
It's because when he scored them, the trend was set by RDB and KA and
therefore melody was present in the music. Early into the 80s that
trend was reversed. Bappi was the ruler. RDB had to survive the
onslaught of "jalaa-ke-raakh-duu.Ngaa" and so-called "disco" hits
started by KA in late 70s and championed by L-P and Bappi in early-mid
80s.
With this background, I am trying to recap the RDB songs that I heard
during the 80s and pass my judgement on them.
1980: Sitara and Abdullah are good; so are the songs ‘bhor bhaye
pa.nchhii' and ‘jiinaa kyaa ajii pyaar binaa'. Shaan and The Burning
Train are more oriented towards popular music, but still have some
good songs.
1981: Kudrat is outstanding. Basera, Biwi O Biwi, Satte Pe Satta,
Naram Garam, Rocky have quite a few good songs. Zamane Ko Dikhana Hai,
Love Story and Kaalia carry popular music but still have some good
songs. Besides you have songs like ‘roz roz Daalii Daalii', ‘tere liye
palako.n kii jhaalar', ‘apane pyaar ke sapane' which sound good to
ears.
1982: Namkeen, Bemisal and Masoom are quite good. Sanam Teri Kasam,
Shakti and Teri Kasam have popular music with some really good songs.
We also have "ye waadaa rahaa" in 1982.
1983: RDB tries to sound more trendy here with Betaab. Pukar and
Mahaan. ‘hame.n aur jiine kii' and ‘jiivan ke din chhoTe sahii' are
good; ‘hai mubaarak aaj kaa din' is trendy; ‘tuu mauj mai.n huu.N
kinaaraa' and ‘maa.ng luu.Ngaa mai.n tujhe taqadiir se' could have
been better with Kishore and old Lata.
1984: Sunny is good in terms of tunes, but lack somewhere in the voice
department. Songs of Musafir are my target for future. RDB seems to be
trying young male voices a lot now resulting in ordinary but okay
songs like "jhalak dikhaake kar ga_ii diiwaanaa" and "paaThshaalaate
indoor elo"; ‘tuu ruuThaa to mai.n ro duu.ngii sanam'is catchy while
Ghulam Ali's ‘ye dil ye paagal dil meraa' is superb.
1985: Saagar and Alag Alag are good; "jab chaahaa yaaraa tumane",
"kuchh log muhabbat karake" and "maamiyaa kero kero" are okay.
1986: Haven't heard anything. Have read good reviews of Jeeva and will
try to find songs from this movie.
1987: Another year of my complete ignorance of HFM. In fact I heard
the famous "meraa kuchh saamaan" much later followed by other Ijaazat
songs. Ijaazat without any doubts is a gem. Jalian Walaa Bagh and Dil
Padosi Hai (non-film) are on my agenda. Haven't heard the English
album Pantera at all.
1988: The only songs that I have heard somewhere is "raamaa o raamaa
tuune ye kaisii duniyaa banaayii" and liked it. Wonder how the songs
of Chatran are given it is an RDB-Gulzar combo.
1989: The song "tumase milake aisaa lagaa" is okay.
That's my assessment of RDB of the 80s despite limited knowledge of
his output during this period. Of the 90s, I have heard "silii hawaa
chhuu ga_ii" from Libaas and most songs of 1942 A Love Story. They too
fall in the same category as many other 80s song. Good composition,
poor rendering. HFM badly needed a replacement of Kishore Kumar.
My concluding remarks: If RDB could compose an Ijaazat in 1987 amid
chaotic music of late 80s, I believe he had it in him to provide good
music if the film demanded it – yes, even without Kishore and Lata and
Asha of 70s. And when you look at RDB in totality, the stock is
amazing. I have mentioned earlier that I was attracted to RDB much
later in life having spent the past amid the golden era music and
driven purely by his quality and nothing else.
Apologies for the long post and thanks to those who patiently read
this.
"rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:...
joshilay
> > "Surma Bhopali" <nanhaf...@yahoo.co.in> wrote
> > > I think they declined out of natural decay in their career.
> >
> > when do u think RDB's natural decay started.
> > In pancham egroup many think he never decayed. I hope u are not as
> > fanatic as them.
> >
> > My answer is of course well chrnoicled in rmim.
who cares for your answer?
rkusenet
actually the same was said by public to RDB in 80s: who cares for ur music?
consider urself insulted.
rk-
joshilay
which 'public' are you refering to here? those who were busy listening
to the insipid songs by LP,BL & sundry? then we are glad Pancham was
spared.
rkusenet
"joshilay" <joshi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote
> which 'public' are you refering to here? those who were busy listening
> to the insipid songs by LP,BL & sundry? then we are glad Pancham was
> spared.
Ha!!. How interesting. Third rate RDB pimps like you were glad, whereas
RDB himself was whining and crying like a baby when he was completely
sidelined and ignored in 1980s.
Abey dakkan, if you have to lie, at least tell a believable lie.
BTW change ur nick to Mahachor. Not only was that a film whose MD was
RDB (raddi music BTW), the title of that movie was appropriate for RDB.
rk-
Surma Bhopali
Om shaanti om shaanti! Forget all this and enjoy the music man! To a
son his father is always "best dad in the world" and he has every
right to proclaim that. Now picking on few instances if you react
"your dad is &#$^%$& chor", it's bound to incite the son. I know you
also know how to react to the reaction. But shouldn't there be a
limit? Inspiration to some extent is a means to evolution. I bet you
will find most creators creating things based on inspirations from
sources they like. That does not mean they should stop using their own
brand names. Every car nowadays has aerodynamic design and many other
features same as others. Still they have their own brands. And they
sell too. If I don't think of "raahii matawaale" everytime I listen to
Anil Biswas or "tere mere milan kii" everytime I listen to SDB, I
won't think of "teraa mujhase hai pahale" for every song that RDB
created and take away credit saying "he he he is a chor" so don't
praise this song, wait for someone to unearth the source. I prefer
enjoying the songs to going to that extent criticising the creator.
And because RDB is composer of a great number of songs I like, I
admire him. Period.
joshilay
> "rkusenet" <rkus...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:...
> > "joshilay" <joshi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote
> >
> > > which 'public' are you refering to here? those who were busy listening
> > > to the insipid songs by LP,BL & sundry? then we are glad Pancham was
> > > spared.
> >
> > Ha!!. How interesting. Third rate RDB pimps like you were glad, whereas
> > RDB himself was whining and crying like a baby when he was completely
> > sidelined and ignored in 1980s.
> >
> > Abey dakkan, if you have to lie, at least tell a believable lie.
> >
> > BTW change ur nick to Mahachor. Not only was that a film whose MD was
> > RDB (raddi music BTW), the title of that movie was appropriate for RDB.
> >
> > rk-
>
> Om shaanti om shaanti! Forget all this and enjoy the music man! To a
> son his father is always "best dad in the world" and he has every
> right to proclaim that. Now picking on few instances if you react
> "your dad is &#$^%$& chor", it's bound to incite the son. I know you
> also know how to react to the reaction. But shouldn't there be a
> limit?
Don't blame him. i guess the fault lies with his parents. bachpan me
acchhe Sanskar nahi kiye , ab uska ye nateeja.
anyways, some days ago i had posted RD's 80's film albums which had
some great great music. you can see that list.
rkusenet
"joshilay" <joshi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote
> Don't blame him. i guess the fault lies with his parents. bachpan me
> acchhe Sanskar nahi kiye , ab uska ye nateeja.
and who were your parents?? Aurangzeb and his wife!!! Only they could
have raised such a son whose musical taste is so pathetic.
> anyways, some days ago i had posted RD's 80's film albums which had
> some great great music. you can see that list.
Pooh. U are referring to that list as if it was some scholarly work.
It is nothing but an idiotic post by an overenthusiatic RDB pimp.
When Masoor Khan signed Anand Millind for QSQT this is what he told
in Filmfare (or some other magazine): I know Pancham uncle for years.
I always enjoyed his music, specially in my dad's movies. It would
have been very difficult for me to tell him he has to change his style
in my film. That's why I signed Anand Millind.
If RDB had given music to QSQT, Mansoor Khan could have done the Shraad
of the movie the day it was released. Guaranteed to flop:- Midas touch
of manhoos RDB :-)
So we have public rejecting him, producer/director rejecting him. That
shouldn't count. What should count is claims made by third rate RDB pimps
like Joshilay in internet discussion forum that he was always great and
never decayed.
rk-
Ket...@att.net
To be honest, the fault lies with the two of you--in falling into this trap of
Ravi Krishna. If you thought that he was genuinely interested in your views or
in a debate on when RD's music started going downhill, you really don't know
this character. For quite some time now he has been casting his net wide, in the
hopes of snaring some new 'bakra' so that he can continue his mindless diatribe
against RD. Most of us now see thru him and hence refuse to respond to him which
has been causing him immense frustration. However he does get lucky once in a
while. Even a brief glance thru RMIM archives about his antics, would show what
a pathetic loser he was and continues to be. And oh..he does the same in
whatever newsgroup he goes in. Best to ignore him.
Ketan
PS: He is so predictable in his antics that I can pretty much guess what his
response to this very post will be.
joshilay
> "joshilay" <joshi...@yahoo.co.in> wrote
> > Don't blame him. i guess the fault lies with his parents. bachpan me
> > acchhe Sanskar nahi kiye , ab uska ye nateeja.
>
> and who were your parents?? Aurangzeb and his wife!!! Only they could
> have raised such a son whose musical taste is so pathetic.
>
> > anyways, some days ago i had posted RD's 80's film albums which had
> > some great great music. you can see that list.
>
> Pooh. U are referring to that list as if it was some scholarly work.
> It is nothing but an idiotic post by an overenthusiatic RDB pimp.
Surama Bhopali wanted more info on RD's 80's work. for his benefit i
mentioned that list.
> When Masoor Khan signed Anand Millind for QSQT this is what he told
> in Filmfare (or some other magazine): I know Pancham uncle for years.
> I always enjoyed his music, specially in my dad's movies. It would
> have been very difficult for me to tell him he has to change his style
> in my film. That's why I signed Anand Millind.
you don't even know in which magazine did Mansoor say this. lets
assume for a minute that Mansoor said this somewhere. a young man
directing his first film wanted a MD of his generation, what's wrong
in this? in fact he politely explains why he wants a new MD. (i hope
you understand the word 'politely')
also, Mansoor rejecting RD doesn't imply that all the
producer/director rejected RD. the new brigade of directors signed up
Pancham only.
Priydarshan - Gardish ( produced by Good Night's R Mohan)
Ram Gopal Verma - Drohi
Vidhu Vinod Chopra - parinda, 1942 ALS
Gulzar, Kaka, Ramesh Behl were of course Pancham loyalists till the
end.
now, all this of course assuming that Mansoor indeed said this in some
interview. i reproduce a mail by a fellow panchamite Raaj Nagul from
the Pancham egroup. its posted on 31st Aug 2001. anybody can see in
the Pancham archives.
============
sourav,
what a coincidence, just yesterday evening mr. deepak naik who was a
rhythmist with panchamda was here in our office(he was in pune for the
Ganesh Festival) and was full of praise for our man telling some
incidents
that once again show how great a human being he was.
he told us as how rdb did not compose music for qsqt.................
as usual nasir hussain suggested that rdb would be the md for the
movie to
be directed by mansoor khan. but rd had some different idea...he told
nasirsahab that since it was mansoor's debut film it might happen that
the
young lad would be uncomfirtable to work with a senior md so it would
be
better if mansoor decides on his own.....further he promised
nasirsahab that
he would definitely work with mansoor khan in future.
==================
FYI, Raaj and his group organise Pancham shows in Pune twice a year in
Pune. people like Gulzar,Gulshan Bawara, Pt. Ronu Mazumdar, Pt Ulhas
Bapat, Pt.bhavanishankar , Bhupinder Singh, Manohari Singh, marutirao
keer, kersi lord have attended the show in last couple of years and
have highly praised the studious efforts taken by these fans.
> If RDB had given music to QSQT, Mansoor Khan could have done the Shraad
> of the movie the day it was released. Guaranteed to flop:- Midas touch
> of manhoos RDB :-)
which means Mansoor knew that the film would run only because of its
music ?:)
> So we have public rejecting him, producer/director rejecting him. That
> shouldn't count. What should count is claims made by third rate RDB pimps
> like Joshilay in internet discussion forum that he was always great and
> never decayed.
apart from making rude personal remarks what do you 'discuss' in this
forum?
rkusenet
> Surama Bhopali wanted more info on RD's 80's work. for his benefit i
> mentioned that list.
Blatant lie. Please show that line where Surma Bhopali said
that he wanted to know more of RD's 80s work. You mentioned it bcos
u felt that u have done a scholarly work, worth of a PhD. U just needed
to boost ur bloated ego.
> you don't even know in which magazine did Mansoor say this. lets
> assume for a minute that Mansoor said this somewhere.
It's 15 yrs since I read it.
> a young man
> directing his first film wanted a MD of his generation, what's wrong
> in this?
apart from being an idiot, are u blind also. who is saying what is
wrong. It just shows RDB was woefully out of touch in 80s.
> also, Mansoor rejecting RD doesn't imply that all the
> producer/director rejected RD.
most of the RDB loyalist switched loyality. And those who continued
with him were rewarded with flop movies. Kaka's alag alag was sent
to sandaas in the first week itself. jai Shiv shankar was never released.
What was Ramesh Behl's last hit?? Same with Gulzar.
> ============
> sourav,
> what a coincidence, just yesterday evening mr. deepak naik who was a
> rhythmist with panchamda was here in our office(he was in pune for the
> Ganesh Festival) and was full of praise for our man telling some
> incidents
> that once again show how great a human being he was.
>
> he told us as how rdb did not compose music for qsqt.................
> as usual nasir hussain suggested that rdb would be the md for the
> movie to
> be directed by mansoor khan. but rd had some different idea...he told
> nasirsahab that since it was mansoor's debut film it might happen that
> the
> young lad would be uncomfirtable to work with a senior md so it would
> be
> better if mansoor decides on his own.....further he promised
> nasirsahab that
> he would definitely work with mansoor khan in future.
> ==================
> FYI, Raaj and his group organise Pancham shows in Pune twice a year in
> Pune. people like Gulzar,Gulshan Bawara, Pt. Ronu Mazumdar, Pt Ulhas
> Bapat, Pt.bhavanishankar , Bhupinder Singh, Manohari Singh, marutirao
> keer, kersi lord have attended the show in last couple of years and
> have highly praised the studious efforts taken by these fans.
Yeah so!!!!.
I wrote that Mansoor Khan *said* in an interview. It did not occur to
you that Mansoor Khan may say something else than what RDB said (and
glorified by his pimps in internet). Instinctively I can tell that the
yarn mentioned above by a RDB pimp is nothing but a yarn. What a
mahatma RDB. He himself opted out of QSQT. Joi Pancham. Worthy of a bharat
Ratna.
>
> > If RDB had given music to QSQT, Mansoor Khan could have done the Shraad
> > of the movie the day it was released. Guaranteed to flop:- Midas touch
> > of manhoos RDB :-)
>
> which means Mansoor knew that the film would run only because of its
> music ?:)
Do u think before writing or is that a mutually exclusive exercise. You
urself mentioned above that it was RDB who opted out of QSQT and not Mansoor
Khan. That would mean, it was RDB who knew that the film would run only
because of it music and he did not want to spoil it. U see he was a mahatma.
[ BTW the term manhoos was a pointer to the fact that for the last 10 yrs
of RDB, there was not a single hit film whose MD was RDB. His last
hit was Betaab ]
Listen dude. If u and other clueless idiots think RDB was the greatest
composer to grace mother earth, then fine. It is your choice, however bad
it is. But don't expect others to keep quiet when RDB pimping is done
in internet. And this is not restricted to RDB alone. Glorify Lata and
u will find that the president of RDB pimps association aka Ketan Dholakia
immediately attacking Lata. He once told me that he likes Lata but can't
stand the hype. Same with me. I consider RDB to be v.good composer and
certainly the best HFM composer post 1970s, but I can't stand the hype.
Plus I feel I am duty bound to remind RDB fanatics of his chori, which are
many.
And may I remind you that in this thread u entered like an unwanted
guest. I was exchanging the thread with Surma Bhoplai before u poked
ur nose and deservingly got ur ass kicked.
rk-
Ket...@att.net
>Listen dude. If u and other clueless idiots think RDB was the greatest
>composer to grace mother earth, then fine. It is your choice, however bad
>it is. But don't expect others to keep quiet when RDB pimping is done
>in internet. And this is not restricted to RDB alone. Glorify Lata and
>u will find that the president of RDB pimps association aka Ketan Dholakia
>immediately attacking Lata. He once told me that he likes Lata but can't
>stand the hype. Same with me. I consider RDB to be v.good composer and
>certainly the best HFM composer post 1970s, but I can't stand the hype.
>Plus I feel I am duty bound to remind RDB fanatics of his chori, which are
>many.
As I predicted, your responses are typical. BTW, please don't compare my
statements with yours. Mine are based largely against Lata sycophants. Your
comments are based not just against RD's fans but against RD himself too. Unlike
you, I have enough intelligence, to be able to differentiate when to attack Lata
for her singing, when the MD for making her sing a particular way and when her
fans for the drivel they put out. I don't go around combining all these into the
universal knee-jerk reaction that you seem to possess whenever you come across
RD's name. You have a Pavlovian response system to his name, though calling you
a dog, would be insulting those poor creatures.
Lastly, unlike what you once admitted to me, I don't have a "keeda" to bait and
bug people nor do I consider it my duty to point out someone's flaws. You go
into a newsgroup, find out who is being praised/hyped and then purposely take a
stance against that person simply to boil people's blood. You are not in these
NGs for a dialogue, debate or a discussion. You simply show up to throw bombs,
and yell "fire". What this shows is that you don't possess much common sense or
intelligence, but what you do possess is a constant need to be noticed. It's a
pity that you have picked this strange way to fulfill your attention craving
syndrome. Your time might be better spent in listening to 'Alai Payuthe' a 100
times so that you can finally figure out whether it's music is good or not.
Ketan
rkusenet
> As I predicted, your responses are typical. BTW, please don't compare my
> statements with yours. Mine are based largely against Lata sycophants. Your
> comments are based not just against RD's fans but against RD himself too.
> Unlike you, I have enough intelligence,
> to be able to differentiate when to attack Lata
> for her singing, when the MD for making her sing a particular way and when her
> fans for the drivel they put out. I don't go around combining all these into the
> universal knee-jerk reaction that you seem to possess whenever you come across
> RD's name. You have a Pavlovian response system to his name, though calling you
> a dog, would be insulting those poor creatures.
>
> Lastly, unlike what you once admitted to me, I don't have a "keeda" to bait and
> bug people nor do I consider it my duty to point out someone's flaws. You go
> into a newsgroup, find out who is being praised/hyped and then purposely take a
> stance against that person simply to boil people's blood. You are not in these
> NGs for a dialogue, debate or a discussion. You simply show up to throw bombs,
> and yell "fire". What this shows is that you don't possess much common sense or
> intelligence, but what you do possess is a constant need to be noticed. It's a
> pity that you have picked this strange way to fulfill your attention craving
> syndrome. Your time might be better spent in listening to 'Alai Payuthe' a 100
> times so that you can finally figure out whether it's music is good or not.
0/10. Try harder next time.
rk-