Untraditional Lyrics

Gyanprakash Rai

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Jun 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/20/97

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Ever since I bought the Rafi CD about 5 years ago (its a wonderful
collection of his rare gems), I have particularly enjoyed listening to a
song from "Ghazal". The lyrics go: "Mere mahboob kahin aur milaa kar
mujhse.."
I have always enjoyed literature which deviates from the conventional
way of thinking, and this particular song is a beauty. The poet (who
else but Sahir) is asking his beloved not to meet him in the shadows of
the Taj, for it is not a monument of love, but a mockery of a poor man's
love by a rich king.
Another song I am reminded of is " Sansaar se bhaage firte ho, bhagwaan
ko tum kya paaoge.." from "Amrapaali" ( I think). In particular, the
lines "apmaan rachayita ka hoga, rachna ko agar thukraaoge" say a lot.

I am looking for more lyrics that portray such sentiments. Can the
knowledgeables please suggest me some more of these unconventional
lyrics? Any help will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance.

Gyan

Sanjeev Kumar

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Jun 20, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/20/97

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Gyanprakash Rai wrote:
>
> I am looking for more lyrics that portray such sentiments. Can the
> knowledgeables please suggest me some more of these unconventional
> lyrics? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> Gyan

How about this song from "Saraswati Chandra"? This is sung
by Lata and is quite melodious.

"Chodde saari duniya usi ke liye
Yeh munasib (sp?) nahi aadmi ke liye
Pyar se bhi zaroori kaye kaam heim
Pyar sab kuch nahi zindagi ke liye"

This song is romantically unromantic.
In the antra she says:

"Ek duniya ujHad bhi gaye hai to kya
Doosara ko tum kya basathe nahi....
Chand milata nahi, sabka sansar mein
Hein diya hi bahut roshni ke liye"

The last two lines are the words of a loser, I guess.
Can somebody post the words of this song?

Sanjeev

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Jun 22, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/22/97

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Dear Mr. Gyan:
This song "Sansar se bhage phirate ho..." is not from Amrapali as you state,
but from Chitraleka and is written by who else but SAHIR

R.S.Chandel
***********
In article <33AB07...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu>, Gyanprakash Rai

<gy...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu> writes:
> Ever since I bought the Rafi CD about 5 years ago (its a wonderful
> collection of his rare gems), I have particularly enjoyed listening to a
> song from "Ghazal". The lyrics go: "Mere mahboob kahin aur milaa kar
> mujhse.."
> I have always enjoyed literature which deviates from the conventional
> way of thinking, and this particular song is a beauty. The poet (who
> else but Sahir) is asking his beloved not to meet him in the shadows of
> the Taj, for it is not a monument of love, but a mockery of a poor man's
> love by a rich king.
> Another song I am reminded of is " Sansaar se bhaage firte ho, bhagwaan
> ko tum kya paaoge.." from "Amrapaali" ( I think). In particular, the
> lines "apmaan rachayita ka hoga, rachna ko agar thukraaoge" say a lot.
>

Archana

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Jun 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/23/97

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In article <33AB12...@lucent.com>, Sanjeev says...

>
>Gyanprakash Rai wrote:
>>
>> I am looking for more lyrics that portray such sentiments. Can the
>> knowledgeables please suggest me some more of these unconventional
>> lyrics? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Gyan
>

>How about this song from "Saraswati Chandra"? This is sung
>by Lata and is quite melodious.
>
>"Chodde saari duniya usi ke liye
> Yeh munasib (sp?) nahi aadmi ke liye
> Pyar se bhi zaroori kaye kaam heim

~~~~ ~~~~
kayee.n, hain

> Pyar sab kuch nahi zindagi ke liye"
>
>This song is romantically unromantic.
>In the antra she says:
>
>"Ek duniya ujHad bhi gaye hai to kya
> Doosara ko tum kya basathe nahi....
> Chand milata nahi, sabka sansar mein
> Hein diya hi bahut roshni ke liye"

I think this antara goes :
Kitnii hasrat se taktii hain kaliyaan tumhen
kyun baharon ko phir se bulaate nahin
Ek duniyaa ujad hi gayii hai to kya
Doosraa tum jahan kyun basate nahin
Dil na chahe bhi to, saath sansaar ke
chalna padta hai sabki Khushii ke liye...

The first antara is:
tan se tan ka milan ho na paayaa to kya
man se man ka milan koi kam to nahin
Khushboo aatii rahe door hii se sahii
saamne ho chaman koi kam to nahin
chaand miltaa nahin sabko sansaar mein
Hai diiyaa hi bahut roshnii ke liye...

>
>The last two lines are the words of a loser, I guess.

I think its an attitude of adjusting with life and going on. The sentiment of
the entire song is that of going on (urging another to go on)with life in the
face of a love's loss.
And that by no means can be an attitude of a loser, methinks.

>Can somebody post the words of this song?

I am not sure that there isn't a third antara so check ISB

-archana

Sanjeev Kumar

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Jun 23, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/23/97

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Archana wrote:
>
> I think this antara goes :
> Kitnii hasrat se taktii hain kaliyaan tumhen
> kyun baharon ko phir se bulaate nahin
> Ek duniyaa ujad hi gayii hai to kya
> Doosraa tum jahan kyun basate nahin
> Dil na chahe bhi to, saath sansaar ke
> chalna padta hai sabki Khushii ke liye...
>
> The first antara is:
> tan se tan ka milan ho na paayaa to kya
> man se man ka milan koi kam to nahin
> Khushboo aatii rahe door hii se sahii
> saamne ho chaman koi kam to nahin
> chaand miltaa nahin sabko sansaar mein
> Hai diiyaa hi bahut roshnii ke liye...

> I think its an attitude of adjusting with life and going on.

> The sentiment of the entire song is that of going on (urging
> another to go on)with life in the face of a love's loss.
> And that by no means can be an attitude of a loser, methinks.

Thanks for posting the correct lyrics of the song.

What I forgot to add in my posting was a few "IMHO"s.
Again IMHO, If we start attaining satisfaction with
only the second best (Diiyaa), there is no way we can
get perfect or be the best (Chaand). So, if the
attitude of the singer is that to console herself for
not getting the best in life, she is a loser. OK,
in case of her love, I agree, that she needs to look
forward for something else in life. But, not in general.

Sanjeev

Pradeep Dubey

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Jun 24, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/24/97

to Archana

Most probably:
chhoD de saari duniya kisi ke liye

|> > Yeh munasib (sp?) nahi aadmi ke liye
|> > Pyar se bhi zaroori kaye kaam heim
|> ~~~~ ~~~~
|> kayee.n, hain

No. It is 'kayee' (rather, kaee).
There is no such word in Hindi as: kayee.n.

|> >The last two lines are the words of a loser, I guess.

|> I think its an attitude of adjusting with life and going on. The sentiment of
|> the entire song is that of going on (urging another to go on)with life in the
|> face of a love's loss.
|> And that by no means can be an attitude of a loser, methinks.
|>

Bakulesh Thakker

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Jun 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/27/97

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In article <1997Jun2...@alpha.ntu.ac.sg>, asch...@alpha.ntu.ac.sg says:
>
>Dear Mr. Gyan:
>This song "Sansar se bhage phirate ho..." is not from Amrapali as you state,
>but from Chitraleka and is written by who else but SAHIR
>
>R.S.Chandel
>***********

Looked up in ISB and found following song of amrapali:

jao re jogi tum jao re (song #793)

I think so that movie had one (possibly two) more songs sung by Lata:

kasak ye din raat ki, chubhan ye bin baat ki,
bhalaa ye rog hai kaisa

Regards
-Bakulesh

Archana

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Jun 27, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/27/97

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In article <5p165p$bpb$1...@tribune.mayo.edu>, thakker....@mayo.edu says...

And the unforgettable "Tumhen yaad karte-karte, jaayegii rain saari..."

-Archana

>
>Regards
>-Bakulesh
>

Sanjeev Kumar

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Jun 30, 1997, 3:00:00 AM6/30/97

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In this series of songs, I would like to discuss the following
song. This song is sung by Mukesh. That is all I know (can somebody
post the p-stats of this song?).

"Tumhe.n zindagi ke ujale mubarak
Andhero.n hum aaj raaz (??) aa gaye.n he.n
Tumhe paake hum, khud se door hogaye.n the
Tumhe chodkar apne paas, aagaye the"

This sad song from Mukesh is quite melodious too.
The last two lines is quite poetic. Does he mean that
he had to pretend to be somebody else just to gain her?
And now that he has left her, he is back to his old
self. Or does it mean something else related to the
story/context of the movie? Please somebody clarify.

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Chander Mehta

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Jul 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/1/97

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> In article <33AB07...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu>, Gyanprakash Rai
> <gy...@aries.scs.uiuc.edu> writes:

> > I am looking for more lyrics that portray such sentiments. Can the
> > knowledgeables please suggest me some more of these unconventional
> > lyrics? Any help will be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> >
> > Gyan

Well Gyan you should like most of what Sahir composed! Most of the
songs of Guru Dutt's "Pyassa" music: SD Burman - "Yeh mahaloon yeh
takhto"
BR Chopra's (Actually Chopra brothers were Sahir's biggest admirers)
Gumrah Music Ravi "Chalo ek baar phir se" and "Aap aaye khayalen
dil-e-nakaam aaya"
and many more like Soni Ki Chidya Music OP Nayyar etc.
Chander

Archana

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Jul 1, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/1/97

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In article <5pagde$s5d$1...@juliana.sprynet.com>, Chander says...
>

>BR Chopra's (Actually Chopra brothers were Sahir's biggest admirers)
>Gumrah Music Ravi "Chalo ek baar phir se" and "Aap aaye khayalen
>dil-e-nakaam aaya"

~~~~~~

naa-shaad (unhappy)

Surajit A. Bose

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Jul 2, 1997, 3:00:00 AM7/2/97

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Bakulesh Thakker wrote:

> Looked up in ISB and found following song of amrapali:
>
> jao re jogi tum jao re (song #793)
>
> I think so that movie had one (possibly two) more songs sung by Lata:
>
> kasak ye din raat ki, chubhan ye bin baat ki,
> bhalaa ye rog hai kaisa

the song is:

taDap ye din raat kii, kasak ye bin baat kii,
bhalaa ye rog hai kaisaa, sajan ab to bataa de

The other well known Lata song, besides "tumhe.n yaad karte karte," is

niil gagan kii chaa.Nv me.n, din rain gale se milte hai.n
dil pa.Nchhii ban uD jaataa hai, ham khoye khoye rehte hai.n

-s