Interview-- A.R. Rahman
bal...@2kweb.net
ke...@iag.net wrote:
>
[snipped]
> Q. Then why are you being accused of repeating yourself?
>
> A. I agree to an extent my music has become repetitive. That's why I
decided to
> do a non-film album.
Vandemataram also had recycled music. The song by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is
same as the song from Karutamma(Vanitha-Telugu).
> With film music it's always the same old story, you're
> pushed to churn out similar stuff. But now I'm doing a wider range of
films, a
> lot of international projects. I did Fire and now I'm doing Earth. Most
of my
> Hindi films were dubbed but that made them second rate products. So now
I'm
> trying to stick to one language and stay away from films which are going
to be
> dubbed.
>
Does this mean ARR is not going to do any more Tamil movies? If he does do
Tamil movies then
all of the movies are dubbed into Telugu and then into Hindi. How can he
prevent this?
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In article <8753140...@dejanews.com>, bal...@2kweb.net says...
>Vandemataram also had recycled music. The song by Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan is
>same as the song from Karutamma(Vanitha-Telugu).
This is what happens in case of limited talent. I really pity his fans who
are tolerating this fraud of ARR:- Remixing , recycling etc all without
being prolific. Even in his latest hindi film Kabhi Haa Kabhi Naa he has
recycled Duet Song (Anjali).
I read somewhere that ARR took ages to compose "tu hi re" (Bombay). I can't
understand what took him so long. It was one of the most boring song I
have ever heard.
-- RaviK.
Unknown
While doing some script programming, one of the bugs in my program, shut down my
software, and opened up Netscape directly at this site. Nice bug! :)
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
http://www.expressindia.com/screen/sep05/music.htm
Rahman goes interternational
Q. In what way is the album Vande Mataram a symbol of contemporary India?
A. Well, the primary objective of the album is to inspire a feeling for the
country. And the sentiments so aroused go beyond caste, creed and colour. The
feelings which inspired the album come from the heart, and can solve a lot of
problems. If people look beyond religion and caste barriers, and think only of
the country, that’s enough. I personally think Vande Mataram is an ongoing
movement, and people will feel good about it for the next 50 years.
Q. Why did it take you so long to venture into doing a non-film project?
A. Maybe because before I didn’t think that the time was right for a project of
this nature. I was satisfied with doing film music. Vande Mataram is a noble
entry into the world of non-film music. It’s something different, something that
won’t be forgotten easily.
Q. Vande Mataram is being released in 27 countries. What is it about the album
that will make it appealing to such a wide audience?
A. I’ve tried my best to create something that will be appreciated worldwide,
without losing out on the Indianness in the music.
Q. When you started working on the album did you have any idea that it would
turn out to be such a huge international project?
A. No, when we started out, only those involved with the album believed that it
was going to be BIG. When I told people what I was doing, they would give me odd
looks and ask me why I wasn’t concentrating on films. But my team and I were
confident about Vande Mataram, we felt good about it. We felt that it should go
around the world and Sony promised us it would be an international album.
Q. Has working with international artists affected your style?
A. Yeah, I felt I had to upgrade myself to reach international standards. It
gives you a new plane to work on. You are not limited by your own imagination
when you work with international artists. You see things from different
perspectives. They also felt very honoured to be working on such a theme as
Vande Mataram. The general feeling was that this is not just another track but
something special.
Q. What was it like working with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan?
A. When we contacted him, he readily agreed to do the song. He was very
co-operative and gave us half a day to record it. I modified the track to suit
his calibre, gave it more of a qawwali feeling so that he would feel
comfortable. It is very unfortunate that he is no more. Perhaps I would have
worked with him again.
Q. You also worked with Dominic Miller for this album. What was he like?
A. Dominic was very open with me. He loved the track of Vande Mataram. He said
it had a healing power.
Q. How does it feel to be the first Indian artist to be signed by Sony?
A. It feels good. It is an honour for me and Bala (of Bharatbala Productions) as
well as for Sony, since they are starting off with a project like Vande Mataram.
Q. Isn’t it ironic that one of the biggest musical tributes to Indian
independence is being organised by a foreign company which is only now breaking
into the Indian music scene?
A. As long as an album like Vande Mataram happened it’s fine, it doesn’t matter
how it happened. There was so little time and Sony were the first ones to accept
the project without asking any questions. When Bala and I conceived the project
we had approached a lot of other people, but they all had too many preconditions
attached. Bala felt that the offer from Sony was the most genuine one we’d got.
Q. You’ve signed a contract for two more albums with Sony. What are your plans
for those?
A.I haven’t planned anything as yet. At the moment I’m concentrating on
promoting Vande Mataram.
Q. Would you say that your music was largely responsible for infusing fresh life
into the jaded film music industry?
A. I wanted to give film music a more dignified look and greater energy. People
never used to concentrate on modern technology. The music produced abroad would
really stand out because of better recording. I’m really glad that people have
switched to digital and stereo now. Before they were content to record in mono.
I can’t take the credit for introducing these changes though. I was just lucky
to get a Roja. For this film we used high quality sound negatives which gave us
better sound resolution.
Q. Would you describe your music as ‘music of the computer age’?
A. No, I can’t term it computer music. A music without a soul will never be
appreciated. The computer is just a tool, it is not the basis of my music.
Q. What is your opinion of film music today?
A. There seems to be an urgency to complete scores as quickly as possible. I
feel there is a desperate effort to make it come on the charts. This is not a
good thing. Music should develop at its own pace, its own space.
Q. Now that you’ve made such a strong start on the non-film music scene, will
film music now take a backseat?
A. Well, now I only plan to compose music for those directors with a passion for
filmmaking. At the moment I’m doing films with Priyadarshan and Shivendra Singh.
There’s also Boney Kapoor’s Pukar, Govind Nihalani’s Takshak and Shekhar Kapur’s
Tara Rum Pum. Seven songs for Subhash Ghai’s Shikhar have already been recorded.
I also have some other plans which should take me in different other directions.
Q. Do you think your style has evolved since Roja?
A. Most definitely. Roja was the sound of a new generation. From Roja my music
took a new direction, I didn’t look back after that. I was pushed to do
something fresh.
Q. Then why are you being accused of repeating yourself?
A. I agree to an extent my music has become repetitive. That’s why I decided to
do a non-film album. With film music it’s always the same old story, you’re
pushed to churn out similar stuff. But now I’m doing a wider range of films, a
lot of international projects. I did Fire and now I’m doing Earth. Most of my
Hindi films were dubbed but that made them second rate products. So now I’m
trying to stick to one language and stay away from films which are going to be
dubbed.
Q. What, according to you, is your greatest musical contribution to date?
A. It’s all a point of view. I can’t say I have achieved anything fully.
Q. You are being modest. Right now you’re on a real high. Apart from Vande
Mataram the music of Daud is also said to be doing well.
A. Daud is Ramgopal’s film. As far as the music was concerned it was more of a
‘yes sir’ thing for me. I tried to just come up with a stylised, fast-paced and
youthful soundtrack for his film.
Q. You do not need to do a ‘yes sir’ job at this stage in your career.
A. I like Ramgopal, he’s a good director. Sometimes it’s good to say ‘yes sir’.
It forces you come up with different ideas!
Pankaj Kakkar
Ravi, Krishna wrote:
> I read somewhere that ARR took ages to compose "tu hi re" (Bombay). I can't
> understand what took him so long. It was one of the most boring song I
> have ever heard.
Thank you Ravi :)! You have given me the oppurtunity to rant on this
particular song, and how can I let go!
I first heard the soundtrack of Bombay not too long after Roja - those
were the days when he was popular, yes, but I was yet to become a
Rahmaniac. Roja was great, exceptional, but one track does not a fan
make!
I stil remember the day - my great friend, a mammoth of a guy from
Madras called "Dubai" takes me to the music room and says "I've got
something for you to listen to." So I say "Well, what about the dabba in
your room?" "No", he replies, "its Rahman. You have to listen to it on
the system."
So we go to the music room. Switch on the system. Put the tape in. Get
the system to work (a loose wire).
And promptly, I turned into a fanatic.
For first on the track was Kannalane (Kehan hi kya), beautifully sung by
Chitra. Second was Hamma hamma, sung by Rahman himself. And the third
was "Uyi re", or, "Tu hi re", the song in question.
The first thing I thought when the song started was, what the heck is
that instrument? (you know, the one in the rythm, the four off-beat
beats every beat :) :)) But pretty soon I had forgotten all about that
as I felt myself dissolving in that flute.
The song was in Tamizh, but who the heck needed a translation? The
emotion, the feeling in the song was laid bare in the tune, in the
chords behind the vocals, in Hariharan's voice. Each word was evident in
the inflections in the vocals, in the heart wrenching flute interlude,
in the single moment when Chitra came into the song.
Suffice it to say, that the song is *not* boring! :)
And at that, could someone anyway post a translation? :)
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Ever tried washing your car to force rain to fall?
Doesn't happen. Murphy's law is recursive.
Pankaj Kakkar
Hi Jim
The interview that you're looking for is at
http://www.expressindia.com/screen/sep05/music.htm
Ciao
Jim Benton
Pankaj Kakkar <pan...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in article
<342D679D...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu>...
> I first heard the soundtrack of Bombay not too long after Roja - those
> were the days when he was popular, yes, but I was yet to become a
> Rahmaniac. Roja was great, exceptional, but one track does not a fan
> make!
>
> I stil remember the day - my great friend, a mammoth of a guy from
> Madras called "Dubai" takes me to the music room and says "I've got
> something for you to listen to." So I say "Well, what about the dabba in
> your room?" "No", he replies, "its Rahman. You have to listen to it on
> the system."
>
> So we go to the music room. Switch on the system. Put the tape in. Get
> the system to work (a loose wire).
>
> And promptly, I turned into a fanatic.
>
--
> Pankaj Kakkar http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~pankaj
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Office: Home:
> PhD Student 3620 Baring St
> CIS Dept., Apt No 2R
> School of Engineering and Applied Sciences Philadelphia
> University of Pennsylvania, PA 19104 PA 19104
> USA. USA
> (215) 898 8116 (215) 386 5156
>
> Ever tried washing your car to force rain to fall?
> Doesn't happen. Murphy's law is recursive.
>
I had a similar response to SAPNAY. It was this that first got me ranking
ARR with Sir Arthur Sullivan, Gershwin, and Lennon/McCartney as one of the
authentic geniuses in popular music. (I know, I know, you've read this
from me before, but i just watched THE STORY OF GILBERT AND SULLIVAN, the
1953 movie with Robert Morley, and the connections were even more obvious
to me. Does anyone know if ARR would credit any of these as being his
inspirations (in the authentic, not the Anu Malik) sense?
There was apparently an ARR Interview reprinted (or referenced) here which
i missed. If anyone has a copy, could they please e-mail it to me? Thank
you.
jim
Pradeep Dubey
In article <342D679D...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu>, Pankaj Kakkar <pan...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu> writes:
|> Ravi, Krishna wrote:
|> > I read somewhere that ARR took ages to compose "tu hi re" (Bombay). I can't
|> > understand what took him so long. It was one of the most boring song I
|> > have ever heard.
Does that mean he didn't take ages to compose 'kehna hi kya'?
He must be genius!
Pradeep
|>
|> Thank you Ravi :)! You have given me the oppurtunity to rant on this
|> particular song, and how can I let go!
|>
|> I first heard the soundtrack of Bombay not too long after Roja - those
|> were the days when he was popular, yes, but I was yet to become a
|> Rahmaniac. Roja was great, exceptional, but one track does not a fan
|> make!
|>
|> I stil remember the day - my great friend, a mammoth of a guy from
|> Madras called "Dubai" takes me to the music room and says "I've got
|> something for you to listen to." So I say "Well, what about the dabba in
|> your room?" "No", he replies, "its Rahman. You have to listen to it on
|> the system."
|>
|> So we go to the music room. Switch on the system. Put the tape in. Get
|> the system to work (a loose wire).
|>
|> And promptly, I turned into a fanatic.
|>
|> For first on the track was Kannalane (Kehan hi kya), beautifully sung by
|> Chitra. Second was Hamma hamma, sung by Rahman himself. And the third
|> was "Uyi re", or, "Tu hi re", the song in question.
|>
|> The first thing I thought when the song started was, what the heck is
|> that instrument? (you know, the one in the rythm, the four off-beat
|> beats every beat :) :)) But pretty soon I had forgotten all about that
|> as I felt myself dissolving in that flute.
|>
|> The song was in Tamizh, but who the heck needed a translation? The
|> emotion, the feeling in the song was laid bare in the tune, in the
|> chords behind the vocals, in Hariharan's voice. Each word was evident in
|> the inflections in the vocals, in the heart wrenching flute interlude,
|> in the single moment when Chitra came into the song.
|>
|> Suffice it to say, that the song is *not* boring! :)
|>
|> And at that, could someone anyway post a translation? :)
Kuntal Shah
Pankaj Kakkar wrote:
> I first heard the soundtrack of Bombay not too long after Roja - those
> were the days when he was popular
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
You mean he was "already popular", right ??? :-)
Kuntal. ( kun...@india.ti.com )
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Unknown
In article <01bccc8c$e51b7180$e9b8afce@default>, "Jim says...
>Pankaj Kakkar <pan...@gradient.cis.upenn.edu> wrote in article
>
>> So we go to the music room. Switch on the system. Put the tape in. Get
>> the system to work (a loose wire).
>> Ever tried washing your car to force rain to fall?
>> Doesn't happen. Murphy's law is recursive.
It does with me. Three times in a row now. :)
>I had a similar response to SAPNAY. It was this that first got me ranking
>ARR with Sir Arthur Sullivan, Gershwin, and Lennon/McCartney as one of the
>authentic geniuses in popular music. (I know, I know, you've read this
>from me before, but i just watched THE STORY OF GILBERT AND SULLIVAN, the
>1953 movie with Robert Morley, and the connections were even more obvious
>to me. Does anyone know if ARR would credit any of these as being his
>inspirations (in the authentic, not the Anu Malik) sense?
I shall limit my reponse specifically to Lennon/McCartney. Agreed that ARR is(or
as some others prefer--was) creative/innovative. Could you still elaborate as to
how you classify him as an authentic genius? IMHO, the only similarity between
him and Lennon/Mc is that they are both fabulous studio musicians. By that I
mean, they are able to use innovative techniques to bring out the melody.
However, Lennon/Mc, never ever to my knowledge, used the studio to hold up a bad
melody, a thing which ARR has done. Even when the duo was using a 42 piece
London Symphony orchestra for "A Day in the Life" one does not feel that the
melody is lost. The usage of instruments in this song is rarely matched in a
rock song, right from the piano in the middle eight stanza, to the ever
increasing sounds of the violins towards the end. Yes, ARR too has done similar
great things in some of his songs, but at times, I feel it has come at the
expense of melody : example : Rukmani Rukmani in Roja. Don't get me wrong. I
love the song, but not for its tune. I fell in love with the beats, and usage of
the percussion, and yes, that is where ARR is innovative. However, it seems that
the man absolutely lost his melody somewhere in the beats, and substituted it
with chants. That is something which you would never find with Messrs.
Lennon/McCartney/Harrison/Starr.
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic) & a Beatlemaniac.
Anil Hingorani
Pankaj,
Pankaj Kakkar wrote:
>
> For first on the track was Kannalane (Kehan hi kya), beautifully sung by
> Chitra.
Do you have any info. on Chitra - like what she is up to these days?
I was tremendously impressed with her rendition of 'kehna hi kya...'
(one of the best songs of the 90s) and was looking forward to other
such gems from her. What happened? Where did she disappear?
cheers,
Anil
Hema
Anil Hingorani wrote:
> Do you have any info. on Chitra - like what she is up to these days?
> I was tremendously impressed with her rendition of 'kehna hi kya...'
> (one of the best songs of the 90s) and was looking forward to other
> such gems from her. What happened? Where did she disappear?
I don't know about Chitra's current or forthcoming songs, but she had
sung the songs for the Salman-Revathi starrer "Love" and the songs were
pretty popular.
Hema.
bal...@2kweb.net
Anil Hingorani wrote:
>
> Pankaj,
>
> Pankaj Kakkar wrote:
> >
> > For first on the track was Kannalane (Kehan hi kya), beautifully sung by
> > Chitra.
>
> I was tremendously impressed with her rendition of 'kehna hi kya...'
> (one of the best songs of the 90s) and was looking forward to other
> such gems from her. What happened? Where did she disappear?
>
>
> Anil
She did not disappear:
Chitra sings lot of songs in South Indian Languages. I think
currently she is the leading female singer in South. She has lot
of good songs with Ilaiyaraja. If you like her voice then there
are some cassettes with collection of chitra songs available in indian
stores.
--
balaji.
Ketan
On 30 Sep 1997, Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
> If you are interested in Tamil songs of Chitra's, I can give you several
> references. The earliest is from the 80's Tamil movie "Punnagai Mannan"
> starring Kamalahasan and Revathi, with good music by Ilayaraja. If I am
> not mistaken, Ilayaraja was the one who gave Chitra her break in playback
> singing.
Is there any recording on CD/Tape available of Punnagai Mannan? I have
searched for some time now, and have drawn a blank. Regret the day, I
(possibly under the influence of the sauce), lent it to a $%$#%& chap who
then proceeded to lose it. Would appreciate the CD/Tape #'s if possible.
Thanks in advance,
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
Abhay Avachat
In article <34314E...@pitt.edu>, Hema says...
>I don't know about Chitra's current or forthcoming songs, but she had
>sung the songs for the Salman-Revathi starrer "Love" and the songs were
>pretty popular.
Was she the singer ? Which song did she sing ? It's nice that you
mention this movie. I watched it (3-4 yrs back) because I liked Revathi.
The movie was usual stuff, but had one superb song. Very melodious tune.
Goes like "saathiya tune kya kiya ... maine kiya tera intezaar ..." etc.
I forgot the MD's name, was it Anand-Milind ? Was then this tune also
copied from Illayraja ? :-)
Once in a while, in these new (90s) movies, one comes across a song, that's
almost too goog to be true in this era. I say almost, because something
always stops me from calling such songs as "Great". It's either the singers,
or the words or the orchestration or a combination of these and more
factors. But ... but the basic tunes is really good. The above mentioned
song from "Love" is in that category. Very nice tune.
Another song which comes to my mind is from Anmol, *ing Manisha and Rishi,
MD Ram-Laxman and sung by Lata and UditN (?). Goes like "Bataao tum kaun ho,
khayaalo me jo chaa gaye, maine to abhi Theek se yumhe na pehchaana". Such
a nice and simple tune. It also had another nice song "dil ke lagi kaahe
jaane na, sajana re sajana re sajana ...", but the tune has too many
similarities with the songs from MPK. Still very enjoyable songs. The movie
is quite difficult to endure, excepot these two songs and an unforgettable
Manisha. This was before she became the mature actress of Bombay, but still
she was good. Was this an Manmohan Desai film ( Or was it by his son ? )
If it's so, then it's surprising that in spite of the absence of any of
his typical touches, the movie was still bad :-)
Coming back to the song from Love, here are some random words from the
Lyrics. As it is, they are not worthy to be put in GEETanjali series,
some kind soul has to work on it. I don't think it's in ISB yet.
Movie : Love
*ing : Salman, Revathi
MD : ?
Lyrics : ?
Singer : SPB, ??
M: saathiya .. tune kya kiya, beliya tune kya kiya
F: maine kiya tera intezaar
M: itna karo na mujhe pyaar
F: mine kiya hai yumse pyaar
M: itni muhabbat .. seh na sakunga
sach maani zinda reh na sakunga
F: tujhko sambhaalu, ye mera zimmaa
maiN hun to kya ho, jaane-tamanna
M: ab jeena marna mera jaanam tere saath hai
F: maine kahaa na sanam, ab tu mere saath hai
M: to phir sambhaal, ye maiN chala
F: jaanaa kahaaN, aa dil me aa
la la la la .....
...... ??? ....
There could me N mistakes in what I have given above. I am not a master
of lyrics, I just wanted to say, I really like this song. :-)
- Abhay.
Yes ! A like SOME of the new songs !!
Sashi Kumar
Chitra has a nice song in "Pardes".....jahan piya wahan main.
Chitra is a legeng in Malayalam films and is extremely busy
in Kerala. She sings at least one song in all Malayalam films
and lots in Tamil too. Also she did tour USA with Yesudas.
Sashi.
Vandana Venkatesan
Anil Hingorani (ahi...@etsd.ml.com) wrote:
=> > For first on the track was Kannalane (Kehan hi kya), beautifully sung by
=> > Chitra.
=>
=> Do you have any info. on Chitra - like what she is up to these days?
=> I was tremendously impressed with her rendition of 'kehna hi kya...'
=> (one of the best songs of the 90s) and was looking forward to other
=> such gems from her. What happened? Where did she disappear?
Before "Bombay", Chitra sang in the Salman Khan-Revathi starrer "Love".
Chitra's accent is quite terrible in "Love" and in her struggle with the
language, her singing suffers noticeably. Still I am quite fond of a
couple of duets by Chitra and S.P.Balasubramaniam in "Love" :
"Saathiya tu ne kya kiya, beliya tu ne kya kiya"
and
"Aaja aaja, give me a kiss
Na na na na, till I am a miss"
:-)
The music for "Love" is by Anand-Milind, but needless to say, they were
just ghost-composing for Ilayaraja.
If you are interested in Tamil songs of Chitra's, I can give you several
references. The earliest is from the 80's Tamil movie "Punnagai Mannan"
starring Kamalahasan and Revathi, with good music by Ilayaraja. If I am
not mistaken, Ilayaraja was the one who gave Chitra her break in playback
singing.
=> cheers,
=>
=> Anil
Vandana vven...@pcocd2.intel.com
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ravi_krishna
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.970930150824.12644C-100000@shell>, Ketan says...
>Is there any recording on CD/Tape available of Punnagai Mannan? I have
>searched for some time now, and have drawn a blank. Regret the day, I
>(possibly under the influence of the sauce), lent it to a $%$#%& chap who
>then proceeded to lose it. Would appreciate the CD/Tape #'s if possible.
>
>Thanks in advance,
>Ketan
>A Burman fan(atic)
After listening to Ilayaraja are you still a Burman fanatic, I mean RDB ?
I switched my loyalty to IRaja in 80's never to regret it later. Before that
I too was a RDB fanatic.
-- RaviK.
ravi_krishna
In article <60rgv7$i...@drn.zippo.com>, ava...@hotmail.com says...
>
>Was she the singer ? Which song did she sing ? It's nice that you
>mention this movie. I watched it (3-4 yrs back) because I liked Revathi.
>The movie was usual stuff, but had one superb song. Very melodious tune.
>Goes like "saathiya tune kya kiya ... maine kiya tera intezaar ..." etc.
>I forgot the MD's name, was it Anand-Milind ? Was then this tune also
>copied from Illayraja ? :-)
YUP. This song was copied note to note by AM from an Ilayaraja song.
>
>Once in a while, in these new (90s) movies, one comes across a song, that's
>almost too goog to be true in this era. I say almost, because something
>always stops me from calling such songs as "Great". It's either the singers,
>or the words or the orchestration or a combination of these and more
>factors. But ... but the basic tunes is really good. The above mentioned
>song from "Love" is in that category. Very nice tune.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I agreee. ( afterall the MD is Ilayaraja).
>Another song which comes to my mind is from Anmol, *ing Manisha and Rishi,
>MD Ram-Laxman and sung by Lata and UditN (?). Goes like "Bataao tum kaun ho,
>khayaalo me jo chaa gaye, maine to abhi Theek se yumhe na pehchaana".
Oh this song. Have you listened to the interludes (stanzas) of this song.
That is note to note copy of "yeh saama saama hain yeh pyaar ka" (Jab Jab Phool
Khilen).
-- RaviK.
Hemlata N Khemani
In article <60rgv7$i...@drn.zippo.com>,
Abhay Avachat <ava...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Was she the singer ? Which song did she sing ? It's nice that you
>mention this movie. I watched it (3-4 yrs back) because I liked Revathi.
>The movie was usual stuff, but had one superb song. Very melodious tune.
>Goes like "saathiya tune kya kiya ... maine kiya tera intezaar ..." etc.
>I forgot the MD's name, was it Anand-Milind ? Was then this tune also
>copied from Illayraja ? :-)
Yes, Chitra was the singer and she sang all the songs. There was another
good asong from this movie in the end which Salman (SPB) sings when the
heroine is dying in the hospital. I don't recollect the words now. Gosh,
I don't remember a Salman song!:) Anyway, the early songs of Anand-Milind
were very influenced by Illaiyaraja. IMO, the best A-M soundtrack is from
"Vansh". But again, that movie was a remake so I don't know if the music
was original. The songs of Vansh were a delight. Another good soundtrack
was "Beta". Ofcourse, the best composition being "dhak dhak karne laga",
which I guess was originally by Illaiyaraja and was lifted off by A-M.
>Once in a while, in these new (90s) movies, one comes across a song, that's
>almost too goog to be true in this era. I say almost, because something
There are many 90's songs that are good. What about "Darr". The song
"jaadu teri nazar" is just too good. There are lots and lots of good
songs ouyt there. Its another thing that the worse are in majority.:)
Hema.
--
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> I don't remember a Salman song!:) Anyway, the early songs of Anand-Milind
> were very influenced by Illaiyaraja. IMO, the best A-M soundtrack is from
> "Vansh". But again, that movie was a remake so I don't know if the music
> was original. The songs of Vansh were a delight. Another good soundtrack
> was "Beta". Ofcourse, the best composition being "dhak dhak karne laga",
> which I guess was originally by Illaiyaraja and was lifted off by A-M.
>
> >Once in a while, in these new (90s) movies, one comes across a song, that's
> >almost too goog to be true in this era. I say almost, because something
>
> There are many 90's songs that are good. What about "Darr". The song
> "jaadu teri nazar" is just too good. There are lots and lots of good
> songs ouyt there. Its another thing that the worse are in majority.:)
>
> Hema.
> --
Songs of Vansh were copied outright from Agni natchatram (of which Vansh
is a remake).
I don't think there is a movie remade from Tamil and has original songs
by Anand-Milind.
The original of 'Saathiya..' from Love is in Telugu (Prema *ing
Venkatesh and Revathy Music by Maestro Ilaiyaraaja). The original song
'Eenade..' by SPB and Chitra is out of this world.
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> Is there any recording on CD/Tape available of Punnagai Mannan? I have
> searched for some time now, and have drawn a blank. Regret the day, I
> (possibly under the influence of the sauce), lent it to a $%$#%& chap who
Ketan
If you are living in the US you have got lots of Indian CD stores which
sell tamil CDs and you are sure to get this one. Search for "Raag" or
tamil cd stores in the Internet and u are sure to hit it. The unfortunate
thing is "Punnagai Mannan" might be coupled with the some other movie's
songs and it is very rare that you will get the album separately. If the
other movie in the CD is also Ilayaraaja's please do not hesitate to buy as
I can guarantee that the songs will be good. Hope this helps.
Pankaj Kakkar
Abhay Avachat wrote:
>
> In article <34314E...@pitt.edu>, Hema says...
>
> >I don't know about Chitra's current or forthcoming songs, but she had
> >sung the songs for the Salman-Revathi starrer "Love" and the songs were
> >pretty popular.
>
> mention this movie. I watched it (3-4 yrs back) because I liked Revathi.
> The movie was usual stuff, but had one superb song. Very melodious tune.
> Goes like "saathiya tune kya kiya ... maine kiya tera intezaar ..." etc.
> I forgot the MD's name, was it Anand-Milind ? Was then this tune also
> copied from Illayraja ? :-)
I don't really know the MD, but the beats sound very Rajesh Roshan type.
I wouldn't be surprised if the basic tune was IR's though, RR has been
known to copy.
> Once in a while, in these new (90s) movies, one comes across a song, that's
> almost too goog to be true in this era. I say almost, because something
> always stops me from calling such songs as "Great". It's either the singers,
Let Ikram and me keep going for a while more, Abhay :) :), and that day
will come yet. Or maybe, like Pradeep said, you don't need Ikram or me,
as soon as the 90's songs become 20 yrs old and your kids start playing
songs from the 20's in your home, you'll say "Yeh kya gaane hain!? Gaane
hote the 90's main. Woh kaunsa gaana tha Love ka ..." :) :). Just wait!
> or the words or the orchestration or a combination of these and more
On a serious note, I think lyrics are a major contributor to the lack of
serious acceptance of songs in the 90's. I rarely pay any attention to
them while listening to a song, but I still sort of sense,
subconciously, and react negatively to "Main to raste se jaa raha tha
... "!
(disclaimer : I AM a Govinda fan. I DO like that song :)
Orchestration is also a factor, although I think (and I'm saying this
with my tounge firmly planted in my cheek) that comes more out of the
stubborn refusal to accept a new style rather than bad quality (as is
the case with lyrics).
> Yes ! A like SOME of the new songs !!
You know what you sound like? You sound like Kevin Kline in "In and
out", in the marriage scene. Out with it Abhay, get it out of your
system. You are a 90's fan too :).
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Padmanabhan Ganesan
Ganesh Iyer wrote:
>
> Padmanabhan Ganesan writes:
>
> >Songs of Vansh were copied outright from Agni natchatram (of which Vansh
> >is a remake).
>
> >I don't think there is a movie remade from Tamil and has original songs
> >by Anand-Milind.
>
> music by Anand-Milind. Most of the tunes were lifted from the tamil
> version. However there were a couple of songs in it which were original
> (atleast I think they are !) which were very good..Songs like "Jhoom kar
> dil ne pukara"..I don't think they have been lifted from any tamil songs
> I have heard...
>
> Ganesh Iyer
Gentleman in Hindi had music by Annu Malik.
Vandana Venkatesan
Abhay Avachat (ava...@hotmail.com) wrote:
=> Coming back to the song from Love, here are some random words from the
=> Lyrics. As it is, they are not worthy to be put in GEETanjali series,
=> some kind soul has to work on it. I don't think it's in ISB yet.
Here's an attempt. I am simultaneously itransing your effort.
=> Movie : Love
=> *ing : Salman, Revathi
=> MD : Anand Milind
=> Lyrics : ?
=> Singer : S.P. Balasubramaniam, Chitra
=>
SPB: saathiyaa tuu ne kyaa kiyaa
beliyaa ye tuu ne kyaa kiyaa
C: maine kiyaa teraa i.ntazaar
SPB: itanaa karo na mujhe pyaar
itanaa karo na mujhe pyaar
C: saathiyaa tuu ne kyaa kahaa
beliyaa ye tuu ne kyaa kahaa
SPB: yuu.N na kabhii karanaa i.ntazaar
C: maine kiyaa hai tumase pyaar
maine kiyaa hai tumase pyaar
##antara 1##
SPB: itnii mohabbat sah na sakuu.Ngaa
sach maano zi.ndaa rah na sakuu.Ngaa
C: tujh ko sambhaaluu.N ye meraa zimmaa
main huu.N to kyaa Gam jaane tamannaa
SPB: ab jiinaa maranaa meraa jaanam tere haath hai
C: mai.n ne kahaa na sanam ab tuu mere saath hai
SPB: to phir sambhaal la la la la laa
dil mai.n chalaa la la la la laa
C: jaanaa kahaa.N la la la la laa
aa dil me.n aa la la la la laa
la la la laa ....
saathiyaa .... #return to refrain#
##antara 2##
C: dil kii chaman kaa ha.Nsnaa to dekho
jaagii nazar kaa sapanaa to dekho
SPB: aise hue ham ek jaan ek dil
tuu hai ki mai.n huu.N kahanaa hai mushkil
C: jho.Nkaa basantii hai tuu tan hai gulaabii meraa
SPB: do ra.ng milane ke baad hote nahii.n hai judaa
SPB: to phir sambhaal la la la la laa
dil mai.n chalaa la la la la laa
C: jaanaa kahaan la la la la laa
aa dil me.n aa la la la la laa
la la la laa ....
saathiyaa .... #return to refrain#
=>
=> - Abhay.
=> Yes ! A like SOME of the new songs !!
Ganesh Iyer
ravi_krishna
In article <60tfgu$a...@usenet.srv.cis.pitt.edu>, hnk...@pitt.edu says...
>Yes, Chitra was the singer and she sang all the songs. There was another
>good asong from this movie in the end which Salman (SPB) sings when the
>heroine is dying in the hospital. I don't recollect the words now. Gosh,
>I don't remember a Salman song!:)
The song you are referring is "pathar tha mein ...". This song also is a note
to note lift of an Ilayaraja song. I don't know the name of the film but the
song was picturised on Radha Ravi and the song was "poove en poove..".
>Anyway, the early songs of Anand-Milind
>were very influenced by Illaiyaraja. IMO, the best A-M soundtrack is from
>"Vansh".
As already pointed out songs of Vansh were copied from Ilayaraja songs.
-- RaviK.
Renu Thamma
Vandana Venkatesan (vven...@pcocd2.intel.com) wrote:
: The music for "Love" is by Anand-Milind, but needless to say, they were
: just ghost-composing for Ilayaraja.
If I remember correctly, *all* the songs were copied from the Telugu
original --- Prema with Venkatesh and Revathi. I also prefer the original
to 'saathiyaa...' which goes 'eenade edo ayyindi'. Its slightly different
and much better! :)
: If you are interested in Tamil songs of Chitra's, I can give you several
: references. The earliest is from the 80's Tamil movie "Punnagai Mannan"
: starring Kamalahasan and Revathi, with good music by Ilayaraja. If I am
: not mistaken, Ilayaraja was the one who gave Chitra her break in playback
: singing.
Chitra has considerable output in Telugu too, especially since the
mid-80s. Some I can remember off hand are ---
o Shiva (remade as Shiva in Hindi, *ing Nagarjuna, Amala)
o Swarna Kamalam (a KV movie with Venkatesh, Bhanupriya)
o Geetanjali (Mani Ratnam's debut in Telugu. Has 'o priya priya'
copied as 'O piya piya' in Dil.)
o Seetakokachilaka (remade as Lovers in Hindi)
o Aalaapanaa (a Vamsee movie, with Mohan, Bhanupriya)
o Sitara (another Vamsee movie with Bhanupriya)
This brings up a topic that I have wanted to discuss for a long time. The
Vamsee-Ilayaraaja nexus. Vamsee has been one director for whom
Ilayaraaja's music has been very very distinct. He made 'Anveshana' which
has truly mind-blowing music by the maestro. This is one soundtrack that
anyone who even remotely cares about Raaja should listen to. With songs
like 'palike chiluka' 'chilakaga palukavo', 'eekantha vela' and others, I
rank this amongst some of his best. The movie was a suspense thriller
/ murder mystery, and one has to watch the movie a couple of times to
really follow what's going on in it. :)
Then came 'Aalaapanaa'. Another okay movie, but weird in parts. It was
about a dancer who is obsessed with her dance and a weirdo who is obsessed
with her. (Not in the 'Darr' style but a lot weirder) The soundtrack
though was very nice. 'Aa kanulalo' and 'aavesamanta aalaapana' come to
mind immediately.
'Sitara' was the next in line. (No connection to the Hindi Sitara which
incidentally was also a remake of a Telugu movie) Has 'jilibili palukula'
'ku ku ku' and my favorite 'vennello godaari andam' all of which are very
melodious. I am not 100% sure if it was a Vamsee movie though. It was
weird, so chances are it was him. Vamsee was obsessed with obsession
methinks. Me also rambles.
Anyway, he went on to make a couple of weird movies about the dead
returning from the grave and stuff --- 'Tulasi dalam' is one I remember
for its background score. It scared the life out of me. I'm not dead sure
if it was Ilayaraaja though.
This is a topic that I know I have a very slim chance of getting any
input but I'm hopeful. Regional film music is rarely discussed on rmim.
Wish it were not that way. The Chitra thread showed new hope though. Can
anyone provide any more info. with regards to Vamsee-Ilayaraaja movies
(does he have any in languages other than Telugu?) or with regards to
Ilayaraaja's output in the mid to late 80s in general? I know I am
forgetting a lot of good ones..
Renu.
bal...@2kweb.net
Renu Thamma wrote:
>
[Deleted]
> This is a topic that I know I have a very slim chance of getting any
> input but I'm hopeful. Regional film music is rarely discussed on rmim.
> Wish it were not that way. The Chitra thread showed new hope though. Can
> anyone provide any more info. with regards to Vamsee-Ilayaraaja movies
> (does he have any in languages other than Telugu?) or with regards to
> Ilayaraaja's output in the mid to late 80s in general? I know I am
> forgetting a lot of good ones..
>
> Renu.
some more Vamsee-Ilaiyaraja combination movies are:
1. Premichu-Pelladu
Some songs which I remember are "gopemma chetilo goru mudda",
"vayyari godaramma", "aade pade pillalam" and "ee chitra veena"
2. chettu kinda pleedaru
This has an excellent song "allibilli kalala rave". Other songs
are "chaltika nam gadi", "jigi jigi jigija".
3. April 1 vidudala
Very good songs. "chukkalu temmana", "maatante maatenanta".
4. maharshi
5. Ladies Tailor
6. Sri kanaka mahaalakshmi recording dance troop
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Renu Thamma wrote:
>
> Posting on behalf of Ravindra.
>
> Renu.
>
>
[ Deleted ]
>
> Renu Thamma wrote:
> >
> One Telugu movie I remember the songs of was Aaraadhana (no relation
> to the Rajesh K Aaradhana :). I particularly like two songs --
> 'prema enta madhuram' and 'rangula lo kalavai'.
These songs are *not* from Aaradhana but from "Abhinandana" but
music is by IR.
Other good songs from this movie are "machu kurise valalo" and
"chukkalanti ammayi". There is a movie "Aradhana" for which
IR gave music.
> There was no Chitra
> in this film: it was Janaki and SPB all the way thru! There were a
> lot of other films with Ilaiyaraja music too -- how about
> Anandabhairavi, Swati Mutyam (Eeswar), and later JVAS (Jagadekaveerudu
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Anadndabhairavi is not by IR but by Ramesh Naidu.
> Atilokasundari) -- the Chiranjeevi/Sridevi starrer. There was a very
> nice song in this one by Chitra (I think) -- andaalalo aho mahodayam,
> bhoolokame subhodayam! A very lovely song. Most other songs from
> this film were hits too -- "priyatama, nanu palakarinchu praNayamA"
> and "abba nee teeyani debba" (the Ilayaraja original song which
> Anand Milind later copied into "dhak dhak karne laga"). BTW,
> 'abba nee teeyani debba' is the only song that I know which
> portrays a masochistic side to the heroine's personality. Are there
> any others? There were several Chiru movies for which IR gave
> music: I remember "yamuDiki moguDu" as one.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yamudiki mogudu again is *not* by IR but by Raj-Koti.
> Who gave music for
> "gharAna moguDu"? This was a remake of the Thamizh Rajanikanth
> starrer Mannan, and had Vani Vishwanath and Nagma (I think) opposite
> Chiranjeevi. It was later remade with Anil Kr. in Hindi with Anand
> Milind music, which makes me think it was IR's music for Thamizh/Telugu.
Gharana mogudu music by Keeravani.
>
> This is all I can recall now ... hopefully more information will flow
> in from other RMIMers.
>
> Regards,
> Ravindra.
>
> --
--
balaji.
Renu Thamma
Posting on behalf of Ravindra.
Renu.
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Renu Thamma wrote:
>
> If I remember correctly, *all* the songs were copied from the Telugu
> original --- Prema with Venkatesh and Revathi. I also prefer the
> original to 'saathiyaa...' which goes 'eenade edo ayyindi'. Its
> slightly different and much better! :)
I contend that these slightly different parts are where Anand Milind
failed to copy the Master correctly (or "faithfully", if you please)
and decided to term their imperfections "originality" and/or
"inspiration". :))
> Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
> : If you are interested in Tamil songs of Chitra's, I can give you
> : several references. The earliest is from the 80's Tamil movie
> : "Punnagai Mannan" starring Kamalahasan and Revathi, with good music
> : by Ilayaraja. If I am not mistaken, Ilayaraja was the one who gave
> : Chitra her break in playback singing.
The songs of Punnagai Mannan have to be heard to be believed. IR
excels himself in these songs and Chitra's voice is soft as silk and
sweet as honey. I do think it was IR who gave Chitra her break in
playback singing. The story I have heard is (and this is just hearsay,
so it may not be true) that Chitra was a member of the standard
"aa-uu" chorus that Ilaiyaraja employed for his vocal backgrounds,
and one day Chitra trial-dubbed some song for Janaki. IR is said to
have liked the Chitra version so much that he retained the song in
Chitra's voice. I don't know which song this was, though.
> Chitra has considerable output in Telugu too, especially since the
> mid-80s.
All songs by Chitra in Telugu, even just the mid-80s ones would be
too numerous to list here. :) She's sung quite a few even for non-IR
movies, though IR was her primary MD :) And he himself had jillions
of songs in those days!
> This brings up a topic that I have wanted to discuss for a long time.
> The Vamsee-Ilayaraaja nexus. Vamsee has been one director for whom
> Ilayaraaja's music has been very very distinct. He made 'Anveshana'
> which has truly mind-blowing music by the maestro. This is one
> soundtrack that anyone who even remotely cares about Raaja should
> listen to. With songs like 'palike chiluka' 'chilakaga palukavo',
> 'eekantha vela' and others, I rank this amongst some of his best.
> Then came 'Aalaapanaa'. 'Aa kanulalo' and 'aavesamanta aalaapana'
> come to mind immediately. 'Sitara' was the next in line. Has
> 'jilibili palukula', 'ku ku ku' and my favorite 'vennello godaari
> andam' all of which are very melodious.
I absolutely adore "jilibili palukula". SPB's voice when he sings
the 'o mainaa mainaa' phrase from this song is oh-so-adorable.
> Can anyone provide any more info. with regards to Vamsee-Ilayaraaja
> movies (does he have any in languages other than Telugu?) or with
> regards to Ilayaraaja's output in the mid to late 80s in general? I
> know I am forgetting a lot of good ones..
One Telugu movie I remember the songs of was Aaraadhana (no relation
to the Rajesh K Aaradhana :). I particularly like two songs --
'prema enta madhuram' and 'rangula lo kalavai'. There was no Chitra
in this film: it was Janaki and SPB all the way thru! There were a
lot of other films with Ilaiyaraja music too -- how about
Anandabhairavi, Swati Mutyam (Eeswar), and later JVAS (Jagadekaveerudu
Atilokasundari) -- the Chiranjeevi/Sridevi starrer. There was a very
nice song in this one by Chitra (I think) -- andaalalo aho mahodayam,
bhoolokame subhodayam! A very lovely song. Most other songs from
this film were hits too -- "priyatama, nanu palakarinchu praNayamA"
and "abba nee teeyani debba" (the Ilayaraja original song which
Anand Milind later copied into "dhak dhak karne laga"). BTW,
'abba nee teeyani debba' is the only song that I know which
portrays a masochistic side to the heroine's personality. Are there
any others? There were several Chiru movies for which IR gave
music: I remember "yamuDiki moguDu" as one. Who gave music for
"gharAna moguDu"? This was a remake of the Thamizh Rajanikanth
starrer Mannan, and had Vani Vishwanath and Nagma (I think) opposite
Chiranjeevi. It was later remade with Anil Kr. in Hindi with Anand
Milind music, which makes me think it was IR's music for Thamizh/Telugu.
This is all I can recall now ... hopefully more information will flow
Vandana Venkatesan
Renu Thamma (rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu) posting on behalf of Ravindra wrote:
=> Renu Thamma wrote:
=> >
=> > If I remember correctly, *all* the songs were copied from the Telugu
=> > original --- Prema with Venkatesh and Revathi. I also prefer the
=> > original to 'saathiyaa...' which goes 'eenade edo ayyindi'. Its
=> > slightly different and much better! :)
=>
=> I contend that these slightly different parts are where Anand Milind
=> failed to copy the Master correctly (or "faithfully", if you please)
=> and decided to term their imperfections "originality" and/or
=> "inspiration". :))
Isn't this kind of expected? The way Maestro Ilayaraja would conduct
the orchestra is distinctly different from the way Anand-Milind would.
Hence the only appeal that is retained in the copied version, however
faithfully reproduced, is the melodic structure. If you notice, the
interludes in "saathiya tu ne kyaa kiya" stick out like a sore thumb
in comparision with the interludes in the Telugu "eenade edo ayyindi".
=> There were a lot of other films with Ilaiyaraja music too -- how about
=> Anandabhairavi, Swati Mutyam (Eeswar),
"Swati Mutyam" has a beautiful soundtrack. The Tamil version is "Chippikkul
Muththu". Who sings the lullaby -
"Vatapatra saayikku varahala laali
rajeeva netrunikki ratanala laali"
Chitra? Beautiful song. The film also has one of my favorites in the
soft and seductive genre:
"Manasu palike mouna geetam paadu
manmadha kadalil chippikkul muthu thedu"
I know I am mixing Tamil and Telugu here, but I cannot seem to remember
it all in one language!!
=> This is all I can recall now ... hopefully more information will flow
=> in from other RMIMers.
=>
=> Regards,
=> Ravindra.
bal...@2kweb.net
Renu Thamma wrote:
>
> I always thought Swati Mutyam was by K V Mahadevan? Am I confused? Who did
> the music in Tamil? Or is it dubbed?
It is not dubbed. It was made originally in Telugu and music is by
Ilaiyaraja.
There is a Telugu music server which has database of a lot of
movies and it is quite comprehensive.
http://ligwww.epfl.ch/~srik/telugu/film.html
chilakapATi jagadIsh
Renu Thamma wrote:
>
> Posting on behalf of Ravindra.
>
> Renu.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Renu Thamma wrote:
> >
>
>
> > Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
> > : If you are interested in Tamil songs of Chitra's, I can give you
> > : several references. The earliest is from the 80's Tamil movie
> > : "Punnagai Mannan" starring Kamalahasan and Revathi, with good music
> > : by Ilayaraja. If I am not mistaken, Ilayaraja was the one who gave
> > : Chitra her break in playback singing.
>
> The songs of Punnagai Mannan have to be heard to be believed. IR
> excels himself in these songs and Chitra's voice is soft as silk and
> sweet as honey. I do think it was IR who gave Chitra her break in
> playback singing. The story I have heard is (and this is just hearsay,
> so it may not be true) that Chitra was a member of the standard
> "aa-uu" chorus that Ilaiyaraja employed for his vocal backgrounds,
> and one day Chitra trial-dubbed some song for Janaki. IR is said to
> have liked the Chitra version so much that he retained the song in
> Chitra's voice. I don't know which song this was, though.
>
> > Chitra has considerable output in Telugu too, especially since the
> > mid-80s.
>
> All songs by Chitra in Telugu, even just the mid-80s ones would be
> too numerous to list here. :) She's sung quite a few even for non-IR
> movies, though IR was her primary MD :) And he himself had jillions
> of songs in those days!
I have seen other female singers entering the field only since
the last two years. even now Chitra sings almost 70% of the songs
>
> > This brings up a topic that I have wanted to discuss for a long time.
> > The Vamsee-Ilayaraaja nexus. Vamsee has been one director for whom
> > Ilayaraaja's music has been very very distinct. He made 'Anveshana'
> > which has truly mind-blowing music by the maestro. This is one
> > soundtrack that anyone who even remotely cares about Raaja should
> > listen to. With songs like 'palike chiluka' 'chilakaga palukavo',
> > 'eekantha vela' and others, I rank this amongst some of his best.
> > Then came 'Aalaapanaa'. 'Aa kanulalo' and 'aavesamanta aalaapana'
> > come to mind immediately. 'Sitara' was the next in line. Has
> > 'jilibili palukula', 'ku ku ku' and my favorite 'vennello godaari
> > andam' all of which are very melodious.
Vamsi-IR produced some memorable music. I also like 'ceTTu kinda
plIdaru' a lot. In vamsi's later movies like 'DiTekTiv nArada' and
joker, vamsi provided his own music which reminded me a lot of
the song 'chaltI ka nam gADi' from ceTTu kinda plIDaru.
> I absolutely adore "jilibili palukula". SPB's voice when he sings
> the 'o mainaa mainaa' phrase from this song is oh-so-adorable.
>
> > Can anyone provide any more info. with regards to Vamsee-Ilayaraaja
> > movies (does he have any in languages other than Telugu?) or with
> > regards to Ilayaraaja's output in the mid to late 80s in general? I
> > know I am forgetting a lot of good ones..
>
> One Telugu movie I remember the songs of was Aaraadhana (no relation
> to the Rajesh K Aaradhana :). I particularly like two songs --
> 'prema enta madhuram' and 'rangula lo kalavai'. There was no Chitra
> in this film: it was Janaki and SPB all the way thru! There were a
> lot of other films with Ilaiyaraja music too -- how about
> Anandabhairavi, Swati Mutyam (Eeswar), and later JVAS (Jagadekaveerudu
> Atilokasundari) -- the Chiranjeevi/Sridevi starrer. There was a very
> nice song in this one by Chitra (I think) -- andaalalo aho mahodayam,
> bhoolokame subhodayam! A very lovely song. Most other songs from
> this film were hits too -- "priyatama, nanu palakarinchu praNayamA"
> and "abba nee teeyani debba" (the Ilayaraja original song which
> Anand Milind later copied into "dhak dhak karne laga"). BTW,
> 'abba nee teeyani debba' is the only song that I know which
> portrays a masochistic side to the heroine's personality. Are there
> any others? There were several Chiru movies for which IR gave
> music: I remember "yamuDiki moguDu" as one. Who gave music for
> "gharAna moguDu"? This was a remake of the Thamizh Rajanikanth
> starrer Mannan, and had Vani Vishwanath and Nagma (I think) opposite
gharAnA moguDu had music by kIravANi. This was the movie which
lauched him into primetime (probably because it was a chiranjIvi
starrer) eventhough he had kshaNa kshNam and sItArAmayyagAri manamaRalu
before that. I remember reading in sitAra that the producer said
kIravAni layed a golden egg for them with 'bangAru kODi peTTA'
> Chiranjeevi. It was later remade with Anil Kr. in Hindi with Anand
> Milind music, which makes me think it was IR's music for Thamizh/Telugu.
There are lots of kIravANi's songs which have made it into
Hindi through A-M, Anu Malik and to a lesser extent N-S.
jagadIsh
Renu Thamma
Vandana Venkatesan (vven...@pcocd2.intel.com) wrote:
:
: Isn't this kind of expected? The way Maestro Ilayaraja would conduct
: Hence the only appeal that is retained in the copied version, however
: faithfully reproduced, is the melodic structure. If you notice, the
: interludes in "saathiya tu ne kyaa kiya" stick out like a sore thumb
: in comparision with the interludes in the Telugu "eenade edo ayyindi".
You couldn't have put it better. The original's antaras sound so divine,
whereas the Hindi version --- there's just something that doesn't quite
click. But again, if one heard only the Hindi version it would definitely
sound better than a lot of other songs of its time. :)
: "Swati Mutyam" has a beautiful soundtrack. The Tamil version is "Chippikkul
: Muththu".
I always thought Swati Mutyam was by K V Mahadevan? Am I confused? Who did
the music in Tamil? Or is it dubbed?
: Who sings the lullaby -
: "Vatapatra saayikku varahala laali
: rajeeva netrunikki ratanala laali"
This one is sung by P. Susheela I think.
: The film also has one of my favorites in the soft and seductive genre:
: "Manasu palike mouna geetam paadu
: manmadha kadalil chippikkul muthu thedu"
: I know I am mixing Tamil and Telugu here, but I cannot seem to remember
: it all in one language!!
This is such a lovely song. It is so soft and innocent and yet so
seductive all in one breath. Not that innocent cannot be seductive, but
you get my drift. The movie has another sweet song --- 'suvvi suvvi
suvvalamma'. The highlight of this song is the interlude where the
splashing water and the clanging brass pots create a lovely melody.
Another movie that came around the same time, also by K Vishwanath which
explains the 'S' funda, is 'Saagara Sangamam' --- and boy! what a
soundtrack it has. Ilayaraaja is in his element in this. 'Thakita
thadimi', 'vedam anuvanuvuna naadam', 'mouna mela loyi' are all glorious.
The rudraveena is 'thakita thadimi' in the middle of the two 'charanams'
is lovely!
Renu.
Ravindra Upamaka
Vandana Venkatesan (vven...@pcocd2.intel.com) wrote:
> If you notice, the
> interludes in "saathiya tu ne kyaa kiya" stick out like a sore thumb
> in comparision with the interludes in the Telugu "eenade edo ayyindi".
Yes, this is true. However, they did a good job with the interludes
in "O Priya Priya" when it was copied to Hindi. Also "dhak dhak karne
laga" was quite a decent copy, if a copy can be decent at all :) You
get the idea.
This discussion of A-M copying Ilaiyaraja brings to mind another really
excellent soundtrack -- Chinna Thambi, later remade in Telugu as Chanti.
I love all the songs from this movie; yes, even the "bathroom song" :)
Songs from both the Tamil and Telugu versions became immensely popular.
Infact, didn't I hear/read somewhere that this film was remade in all
the other three South Indian languages after it's phenomenal success in
Thamizh? And that it was quite successful in Kannada and Malayalam too?
Anyone has more info.
One more point. Speaking of Chinna Thambi and Chanti, the music was
copied from Thamizh to Telugu with no changes whatsoever. I want to
know how the detractors of ARR copying his music from Tamil/Telugu to
Hindi look at this film (and several others, where IR has copied himself
from tongue to tongue). Okay, I know, IR has a much bigger anthology
than ARR, but the concept is the same. Why should IR be praised and
ARR castigated. I'm curious, that's all. I don't want to kick up any
more dust in the IR-ARR discussion than has already been kicked up.
Ravindra.
Padmanabhan Ganesan
Richa wrote:
>
> >
> >Yes, Chitra was the singer and she sang all the songs. There was another
> >good asong from this movie in the end which Salman (SPB) sings when the
> >heroine is dying in the hospital. I don't recollect the words now.
>
>
> "Maggie, meri priyatama
> patthar tha mai, tere pyaar ne
> patthar main daali hai jaan"
>
> very nice tune. is this a lift ?
Of course. The original in Telugu is 'priyathama na hridhuyama...'
venkat pedibhotla
Ravindra Upamaka (ravindra@infmx) wrote:
: Vandana Venkatesan (vven...@pcocd2.intel.com) wrote:
: Ravindra.
It is really nice and refreshing to see people get involved with IR's
music. Dev (from Sony Image works) sometime back posted the Telugu and
Tamil list of IR's movies. He made about 80 songs (or a little more in
the last 2-3 years) in Telugu (Original Compositions and not dubbed).
I believe that he produced some exceptionally brilliant music with 1.
Vamsi 2. Mani Ratnam 3. Viswanath (Only 3 movies though). He also did
some great scores for K. Raghavender rao andeddy. 'Swarnakamalam'
(Vishwanath's) is an interesting choice in terms of music because IR
used Susheela, Janaki, Vani Jayaram. However, definetly IR and Vamsi
combo is just outstanding.
Chitra started singing in Telugu and Tamil with in 1984 with Punnagai
mannan (Dance Master). Currently, she is the best female singer in south in dian
film industry. She is from I guess Yesudoss music academy.
Venkat
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Ravindra Upamaka <ravindra@infmx> wrote in article
> copied from Thamizh to Telugu with no changes whatsoever. I want to
> know how the detractors of ARR copying his music from Tamil/Telugu to
> Hindi look at this film (and several others, where IR has copied himself
> from tongue to tongue). Okay, I know, IR has a much bigger anthology
> than ARR, but the concept is the same. Why should IR be praised and
> ARR castigated. I'm curious, that's all. I don't want to kick up any
> more dust in the IR-ARR discussion than has already been kicked up.
> >
> Ravindra.
>
that. After all, ARR copies from Western music and IR copies his songs
only for the same movies that are remade in different languages. That's
it. So, What is the big deal ?
I think IR is really having a bad time because people are giving crazy
remarks like he has copied, his music is repetitive, blah blah whereas he
really does not deserve such blashphemy. Moreover, even when ARR copies
Western Music generously, gives repetitive tunes he is claimed the best MD.
It is a mad mad world.
R. Balachandran
On Tue, 30 Sep 1997, Anil Hingorani wrote:
>
> Do you have any info. on Chitra - like what she is up to these days?
> I was tremendously impressed with her rendition of 'kehna hi kya...'
> (one of the best songs of the 90s) and was looking forward to other
> such gems from her. What happened? Where did she disappear?
>
> cheers,
>
> Anil
>
hi anil,
u can find more info about K. S. Chitra on the Tamil Film Music
site (http://www.iti.gov.sg/staff/kanagasa/tfm/tfm.html). Just click on
the menu item pictures and u will get a picture of Chitra when u scroll
down. Click on the picture and u'll get more info. This is the only site I
found some listing about Chitra on the web.
She is the top female singer in the 4 south Indian languages. She had won
three National awards including this years and 10 Kerala State Awards in a
row from 86-96.
I'm planning to start a web page on Chitra.
Will keep u posted.
:)balu
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Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
>
> Renu Thamma (rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu) posting on behalf of Ravindra wrote:
>
> => Renu Thamma wrote:
> => >
> => > original --- Prema with Venkatesh and Revathi. I also prefer the
> => > original to 'saathiyaa...' which goes 'eenade edo ayyindi'. Its
> => > slightly different and much better! :)
> =>
> => I contend that these slightly different parts are where Anand Milind
> => failed to copy the Master correctly (or "faithfully", if you please)
> => and decided to term their imperfections "originality" and/or
> => "inspiration". :))
>
> Isn't this kind of expected? The way Maestro Ilayaraja would conduct
> the orchestra is distinctly different from the way Anand-Milind would.
> Hence the only appeal that is retained in the copied version, however
> interludes in "saathiya tu ne kyaa kiya" stick out like a sore thumb
> in comparision with the interludes in the Telugu "eenade edo ayyindi".
>
> => Anandabhairavi, Swati Mutyam (Eeswar),
>
> "Vatapatra saayikku varahala laali
> rajeeva netrunikki ratanala laali"
>
That is rendered by P. Susheela.
The film also has one of my favorites in the
> soft and seductive genre:
> "Manasu palike mouna geetam paadu
> manmadha kadalil chippikkul muthu thedu"
manasu palike mouna geetam, nene
mamata lolike swati mutyam, neeve ...
>
> I know I am mixing Tamil and Telugu here, but I cannot seem to remember
> it all in one language!!
>
Vandana Venkatesan
bal...@2kweb.net wrote:
=> I remember one song in Telugu in IR and Lata combination.
=>
=> It is "tella chiraku" from the movie "Akhari poratam" starring
=> Nagarjuna and Sridevi.
=>
=> I think this only the second song which Lata sang in Telugu
=> other being "niddura pora"
"Nidura pora thammuda" is divine! The sweet voice of Lata singing
in such a sweet language is indeed a heady combination. From Lata's
voice I am guessing the song was recorded in the 50's. Was the music
director S. Rajeshwara Rao? I have the details somewhere.
=> balaji.
=>
Vandana.
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Padmanabhan Ganesan
Richa wrote:
>
> >
> >Yes, Chitra was the singer and she sang all the songs. There was another
> >good asong from this movie in the end which Salman (SPB) sings when the
> >heroine is dying in the hospital. I don't recollect the words now.
>
> This is the song
>
> "Maggie, meri priyatama
> patthar tha mai, tere pyaar ne
> patthar main daali hai jaan"
>
> very nice tune. is this a lift ?
Another mega-hit Hindi song copied from Ilaiyaraja is 'Ek Dho Teen' from
Tezaab flicked from 'Anney Anney Sippai Anney' from the Tamil Film Kozhi
Koovudhu.
bal...@2kweb.net
Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
>
[Deleted]
>
> "Nidura pora thammuda" is divine! The sweet voice of Lata singing
> in such a sweet language is indeed a heady combination. From Lata's
> voice I am guessing the song was recorded in the 50's. Was the music
> director S. Rajeshwara Rao? I have the details somewhere.
This song is from the movie santAnam ( 1955 ) and
the music director is "Susarla Dakshinaamurti".
For more info check
http://ligwww.epfl.ch/cgi-bin/srik/cdata?Item@@Film@@195518
U.V. Ravindra
bal...@2kweb.net wrote:
=>
=> Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
=>
=> [Deleted]
=>
=> > "Nidura pora thammuda" is divine! The sweet voice of Lata singing
=> > in such a sweet language is indeed a heady combination. From
=> > Lata's voice I am guessing the song was recorded in the 50's.
=> > Was the music director S. Rajeshwara Rao? I have the details
=> > somewhere.
=>
=> This song is from the movie santAnam ( 1955 ) and
=> the music director is "Susarla Dakshinaamurti".
Hmm. Very interesting! There was a Carnatic classical violinist
by this name, in Hyderabad. Is this the same gentleman? From what
I have heard of the late Susarla-garu's violin, he was a very talented
musician.
(If it matters, his grandson is doing his MBA from Wharton, at the
time of writing :))
=> For more info check
=>
=> http://ligwww.epfl.ch/cgi-bin/srik/cdata?Item@@Film@@195518
=>
=> --
=> balaji.
Regards,
Ravindra.
John Smith
bal...@2kweb.net wrote:
> Anil Hingorani wrote:
> >
> > Do you have any info. on Chitra - like what she is up to these days?
> > I was tremendously impressed with her rendition of 'kehna hi kya...'
> > (one of the best songs of the 90s) and was looking forward to other
> > such gems from her. What happened? Where did she disappear?
Her one of the latest hindi numbers is just awesome.
Hum tumse na kuch keh paaye, tum hamse na kuch keh paaye,
lagta heh daar, yeh baat yeh dil ki dil me na reh jaaye.
Movie - Ziddi
Did she sing in Sapney (kajol)??
Renal Bhalakia
(email : renal at techapp dot com)
Dev Mannemela
In article <60u9so$ns9$1...@NNTP.MsState.Edu>,>...
>
>Chitra has considerable output in Telugu too, especially since the
>
> o Shiva (remade as Shiva in Hindi, *ing Nagarjuna, Amala)
> o Swarna Kamalam (a KV movie with Venkatesh, Bhanupriya)
> o Geetanjali (Mani Ratnam's debut in Telugu. Has 'o priya priya'
> copied as 'O piya piya' in Dil.)
None of the following movies had any Chitra songs (Aalapana and Sitara
were all S.Janaki affairs; oh, through S.P.Sailaja for a song in SItara)
> o Seetakokachilaka (remade as Lovers in Hindi)
>
> o Aalaapanaa (a Vamsee movie, with Mohan, Bhanupriya)
> o Sitara (another Vamsee movie with Bhanupriya)
>
>This brings up a topic that I have wanted to discuss for a long time. The
>Vamsee-Ilayaraaja nexus. Vamsee has been one director for whom
>Ilayaraaja's music has been very very distinct. He made 'Anveshana' which
>..
>Then came 'Aalaapanaa'. Another okay movie, but weird in parts. It was
>..
>'Sitara' was the next in line. (No connection to the Hindi Sitara which
>incidentally was also a remake of a Telugu movie) Has 'jilibili palukula'
Sitara is indeed a Vamsi movies, but was made before Anveshana and Alapana.
Sitara was his second movie, actually (after "Manchu Pallaki" which
was MD'ed by Rajan-Nagendra; the lovely S.Janaki song "Meghama Dehama"
was from this movie)
>
>Anyway, he went on to make a couple of weird movies about the dead
>returning from the grave and stuff --- 'Tulasi dalam' is one I remember
>for its background score. It scared the life out of me. I'm not dead sure
>if it was Ilayaraaja though.
"Tulasi Dalam" was not a Vamsi movie; and IR wasn't the MD.
>
>This is a topic that I know I have a very slim chance of getting any
>input but I'm hopeful. Regional film music is rarely discussed on rmim.
>Wish it were not that way. The Chitra thread showed new hope though. Can
>anyone provide any more info. with regards to Vamsee-Ilayaraaja movies
>(does he have any in languages other than Telugu?) or with regards to
>Ilayaraaja's output in the mid to late 80s in general? I know I am
>forgetting a lot of good ones..
Vamsi "was" one of my favourite directors and his association
with IR gave us many truly memorable soundtracks (but sadly not
many great movies..!). Vamsi had a great eye for visuals and
was a pioneer in fast cuts (well before the MTV era..), but
sadly he was a lousy storyteller. Some of his recent movies
were so mediocre (witness "Neeku 16 - Naaku 18"!), they made cry
thinking about the potential he once promised, but failed to deliver...
Would love to discuss his movies and music..
More later..
/dev
Dev Mannemela
In article <343501...@merck.com>,
Padmanabhan Ganesan <padman...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>Another mega-hit Hindi song copied from Ilaiyaraja is 'Ek Dho Teen' from
>Tezaab flicked from 'Anney Anney Sippai Anney' from the Tamil Film Kozhi
>Koovudhu.
>
I have seen this claim by various people at various times.
I haven't listened to "Anney Anney" in a long time, but AFAIK,
the two songs have nothing in common except for the tune
of the first three words ("Ek Do Theen"..).
/dev
R. Balachandran
On 2 Oct 1997, venkat pedibhotla wrote:
>
> Chitra started singing in Telugu and Tamil with in 1984 with Punnagai
> mannan (Dance Master). Currently, she is the best female singer in south in dian
> film industry. She is from I guess Yesudoss music academy.
Chitra is not from the Yesudass academy. She did BA Music from Govt.
college for Women in Trivandrum. She used to sing in Yesudass's studio
Tharangini and also used to sing in live programs with Yesudass.
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R. Balachandran (bram...@cs.wright.edu) wrote:
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I think Vamsee is not *that* good a director as this thread seems
portray him to be. He just cashed in on Illayraja's excellent music.
Ofcourse 'Anveshana' is an exception. Ever since Illayaraja stopped giving
music for Vamsee (I don't know the reasons), he could not make one single
movie which could hold audiences in the theatres to the end.
The point is, Vamsee movies did well only and only because of
IllayaRaja.
Chandra...