Who is Gogi Anand?
Ketan
Hi all,
Over the weekend, I saw a movie called 'Double Cross'(1973). The MD is RDB
(that should explain why I watched a movie with this name as well as
another one called Mr. Romeo(1973) ) :)
Anyway, the movie - Double Cross stars Vijay Anand and Rekha. Vijay
Anand's name appears 4 times in the credits as the lead actor, editor,
screenplay writer and as a co-dialogue writer. The director of the movie
however has been given as "Gogi Anand". I always thought Gogi Anand =
Vijay Anand. Looks like it is not. Can someone confirm this please?
As regards the movie, I cannot believe that it is not directed by Vijay
Anand, if indeed they are 2 separate people. If folks have seen Teesri
Manzil and Jewel Thief, this movie is of the same type. The music
barring 2 songs is so-so. The movie suffers mainly due to the acting
skills portrayed by this release of the Anand clan, which confirms my
belief, that barring Tere Mere Sapne, Vijay Anand should have stayed
behind the camera and Dev Anand in front of it. Vijay A does try
desperately to ape Dev, but there is only so much you can do, when you are
wearing an atrocious wig, and clothes that will surely make this movie
rank as the worst dressed in the annals of Indian cinema. Without
going into details, I will only say that black, silk, shiny bell-bottomed
trousers, with purple, lilac, yellow, gold, green designs is not suitable
menswear. Still worth a watch just for the lessons one can learn in
direction, and editing.
Thanks to all who provide info...
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
R. R. HINGORANEE
Ketan wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Over the weekend, I saw a movie called 'Double Cross'(1973). The MD is RDB
> (that should explain why I watched a movie with this name as well as
> another one called Mr. Romeo(1973) ) :)
>
> Anyway, the movie - Double Cross stars Vijay Anand and Rekha. Vijay
> Anand's name appears 4 times in the credits as the lead actor, editor,
> screenplay writer and as a co-dialogue writer. The director of the movie
> however has been given as "Gogi Anand". I always thought Gogi Anand =
> Vijay Anand. Looks like it is not. Can someone confirm this please?
VIJAY ANAND'S OTHER NAME IS "GOLDIE ANAND".
--
RAMESH R. HINGORANEE
DHAMAKA
USERS.WHY.NET/RADHIKARAM/DHAMAKA
Burleigh Mannath
On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Ketan wrote:
>
> Over the weekend, I saw a movie called 'Double Cross'(1973). The MD is RDB
> (that should explain why I watched a movie with this name as well as
> another one called Mr. Romeo(1973) ) :)
>
So how was Mr. Romeo? There is a lovely KK-Lata duet picturized on Shashi
and Sulakshna Pandit(?) that I have on one of my video collections which I
compiled from various sources. How were the rest of the songs? And what
about the background music in both these movies?
, which confirms my
> belief, that barring Tere Mere Sapne, Vijay Anand should have stayed
> behind the camera and Dev Anand in front of it. Vijay A does try
> desperately to ape Dev, but there is only so much you can do, when you are
> wearing an atrocious wig, and clothes that will surely make this movie
> rank as the worst dressed in the annals of Indian cinema.
Couln't agree with you more. Speaking of well dressed men, I found Shashi
Kapoor the classiest of the lot.
As for Gogi Anand, I've come across his name before and I dont think he
is kin to the Anand bros.
>
> Ketan
>
> A Burman fan(atic)
>
Burleigh (An RDent fan)
Ketan
In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980426...@operations-xterm.sdsc.edu>,
Burleigh says...
>> Over the weekend, I saw a movie called 'Double Cross'(1973). The MD is RDB
>> (that should explain why I watched a movie with this name as well as
>> another one called Mr. Romeo(1973) ) :)
> So how was Mr. Romeo? There is a lovely KK-Lata duet picturized on Shashi
>and Sulakshna Pandit(?) that I have on one of my video collections which I
>compiled from various sources. How were the rest of the songs? And what
>about the background music in both these movies?
Ok, people are you all sitting down? Good! Here goes. The music of Mr. Romeo is
average, by any standards, and below average by RDB's standards considering this
was his best period. *SPLASH* (the sound of a bucket of water being thrown on
all the RMIMers who have fainted). :)
The movie has 7 songs, a solo each by KK, Lata and Asha, 2 KK-Asha duets, one
KK-Lata duet and one KK-Manna duet. Of these, the movie has only 5 songs. The KK
and Lata solos were not there atleast on the copy I saw. However, this past
weekend, I stumbled upon HMV's release of Fakira/Mr. Romeo, on a tape, which has
those 2 missing solos and this time omits one of the KK-Asha duets, and the
KK-Manna duet. I managed to get all 7 by buying the tape and recording the
soundtrack from the movie.
The only song which is good, and it is real good, is the KK-Lata duet :
"Na soyenge, na sone denge, aaj saari raat hongi mulakat"
It is picturized on Shashi Kapoor and Rinku Jaiswal (who is the heroine of the
movie and not Sulakshana Pandit, who is not there at all in the movie). It is
sung very sweetly by Lata. I really liked her voice and pitch in this. KK is as
usual good. It is a soft, romantic number, and comes across as very soothing.
The KK-Asha duets : Well forget one of them, since I don't even remember the
words. It goes something like the hero saying, "Tu jaldi se haan kar de, nahin
to main tere ghar chitthi bhej kar tujhe badnaam kar doonga". Listen to it for
the rhythm, but that's all. This song has been omitted from the tape. The other
KK-Asha song is the second best in the movie. Quite good. The trouble is that
it is decent because of Asha's voice in some parts, but the same voice
(unecessary inflections) in other parts, prohibits the song from rising to be a
great one. Sorry don't remember the words right now.
The Asha solo "Isi shahar ke isi gali main" is average. Again same problem as in
the second KK-Asha duet regarding Asha's voice.
The KK solo "Dil toota" is so-so as regards melody.
The Lata solo "Ja tose nahin bolo" (how many songs are there, with the approx
same opening lines?) due to the lyrics, had me immediately comparing it to the
Parivar-SalilC song. Although both have Lata in it, this song is like holding a
candle to the sun. Nothing wrong with her singing as far as I could make out.
The melody is just not there.
The KK-Manna duet is a qawalli, and it is bad. It is picturized on Shashi Kapoor
and Ranjeet(he is a baddie who turns a goodie in the movie), and KK sings for
Ranjeet, and Manna for Shashi Kapoor. Wonder why? Again don't remember the
words, and don't care to either.
The background music was okayish. It has some nice instrumental pieces of the
KK-Lata duet, which sounds even better with just the instruments.
All in all, buy the tape for the KK-Lata duet. That alone is worth the $1.65 I
paid for the tape and I haven't even heard Fakira yet. Wish RDB had made Lata
sing some more songs at this pitch using this voice. :(
Lastly,
Dear Surajit,
I hope your spell checker and grammar corrector software has broken down. :)
Regards,
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
she...@emirates.net.ae
In article <6i2ghq$7...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ketan says...
>The Lata solo "Ja tose nahin bolo" (how many songs are there, with the approx
>same opening lines?) due to the lyrics, had me immediately comparing it to the
>Parivar-SalilC song. Although both have Lata in it, this song is like holding a
>candle to the sun. Nothing wrong with her singing as far as I could make out.
>The melody is just not there.
Ketan - never mind the melody. Have you tried counting the rhythm for this song?
It's a western beat, but in a rare 5/4 time - try counting 1 2, 1 2 3. This beat
is common on tabla, known as jhap taal, but I've never heard it on a western
rhythm (except Dave Brubeck's jazz sax classic Take Five). Score another one for
RDB's genius, even in a Mr. Romeo!
Regards
Shekhar
Ketan
In article <6i2ghq$7...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ketan says...
Last night I heard the songs of the movie again, and I have a couple of things
to change in my review, so as to be as honest as possible. Earlier I was
reporting from memory so regret any opinions that people may have already
formed, that is, if anyone does care.
>The KK-Asha duets : Well forget one of them, since I don't even remember the
>words. It goes something like the hero saying, "Tu jaldi se haan kar de, nahin
>to main tere ghar chitthi bhej kar tujhe badnaam kar doonga". Listen to it for
>the rhythm, but that's all. This song has been omitted from the tape. The other
>KK-Asha song is the second best in the movie. Quite good. The trouble is that
>it is decent because of Asha's voice in some parts, but the same voice
>(unecessary inflections) in other parts, prohibits the song from rising to be a
>great one. Sorry don't remember the words right now.
The words of this other KK-Asha duet are "Yahan nahi kahoongi". Contrary to what
I said, Asha DOES NOT use unnecessary inflections. I think she sings just as the
words and the picturization demand it. Actually on hearing it again, I began to
like this song a lot and she sings it very well.
>The Lata solo "Ja tose nahin bolo" (how many songs are there, with the approx
>same opening lines?) due to the lyrics, had me immediately comparing it to the
>Parivar-SalilC song. Although both have Lata in it, this song is like holding a
>candle to the sun. Nothing wrong with her singing as far as I could make out.
>The melody is just not there.
The exact words are "Ja re ja, main tose na bolo". I would be wrong in stating
that it does not have any melody. It does, and quite a good one too. The more
you listen, it grows on you. Infact the fact that I have been humming it all
morning, tells me that it I underestimated its melodic powers.
In article <6i2pmq$l...@pdrn.zippo.com>, she...@emirates.net.ae says...
> Ketan - never mind the melody. Have you tried counting the rhythm for this
> song? It's a western beat, but in a rare 5/4 time - try counting 1 2, 1 2 3.
>This beat is common on tabla, known as jhap taal, but I've never heard it on a >
>western rhythm (except Dave Brubeck's jazz sax classic Take Five). Score
> another one for RDB's genius, even in a Mr. Romeo!
This is the main reason I have been humming it. Thanks for the info Shekhar.
Ever since you pointed out the jhaptaal beats, I have been marvelling at the
rhythm in the song too, trying to count the beats. Yup, score one for RDB.
Actually I would upgrade my opinion of this soundtrack from a below average to
definitely an average by RDB's standards.
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
Chetan Vinchhi
Ketan wrote:
>
> Actually I would upgrade my opinion of this soundtrack from a below average to
> definitely an average by RDB's standards.
Ketan, a clarification reqd. Did you raise Mr.Romeo to the original
average level or the new one? You do realize that raising one soundtrack
to a level higher than previously assigned and leaving the rest as they
were will raise the average level.
I strongly recommend that you keep on listening to those RDB soundtracks
you consider "below average". Eventually, all RDB soundtracks will
belong
to just one category - "average".
C
RaviKrishna
In article <6i51tu$7...@drn.newsguy.com>, Ketan says...
>Actually I would upgrade my opinion of this soundtrack from a below average to
>definitely an average by RDB's standards.
Which to me sounds like "eminently avoidable" soundtrack.
Ravi Krishna.
Ketan
In article <35461F...@lucent.com>, Chetan says...
>Ketan, a clarification reqd. Did you raise Mr.Romeo to the original
>average level or the new one? You do realize that raising one soundtrack
>to a level higher than previously assigned and leaving the rest as they
>were will raise the average level.
>I strongly recommend that you keep on listening to those RDB soundtracks
>you consider "below average". Eventually, all RDB soundtracks will
>belong to just one category - "average".
Eh? What difference does it make? I called this soundtrack average, and it is,
compared to RDB's other soundtracks. If you would rather classify all of RDB's
sountdtracks as average, do so. I guess it's back to Music 101 for you in that
case. Pity! You WERE showing signs of improving. :) Ofcourse I do feel sorry for
you and members of your clan. You are running into the danger of remaining stuck
in your narrowly defined range of what music is and should be. Open your mind
laddie, before it's too late. A crowbar ought to do the trick. :)
In article <6i58ll$l...@drn.newsguy.com>, RaviKrishna says...
Ummm, I wouldn't make it a top priority on my list of soundtracks to acquire,
but yes, unless you like and prefer RDB's style of music, you would not know
what to look for and hence would not be able to appreciate it. You would miss
out on 2 good duets though.
Ketan
A Burman fan(atic)
Chetan Vinchhi
Ketan wrote:
>
> Eh? What difference does it make? I called this soundtrack average, and it is,
> compared to RDB's other soundtracks. If you would rather classify all of RDB's
> sountdtracks as average, do so. I guess it's back to Music 101 for you in that
> case.
And for you, it is back to Math 101 and definitely English 101!
Why don't you read what I have written? Oh well, I might as well
spell it out for you. I have not said anything about the quality
of Mr.Romeo. I don't know any of the songs. But you seemed to be
over-eager to promote it to the "average" category from "below
average". My comment was on that behaviour alone.
Now, let us assume that RDB has only three movies A, B, C.
The quality metrics for these movies are 3, 2, 1 (3 being the best).
You listen to the below average track (C) and promote it to
average.
The new quality metrics are A:3, C:2, B:2
Both B and C are now below average.
Listen to them and promote them to average.
The new quality metrics are A:3, B:2.33, C:2.33
And so on.
You will see that the AVERAGE metric converges to the
maximum metric at a fast pace.
In the limiting case, all the metrics are
identical (average or maximum or minimum, whatever
you choose to call it)
Homework for the week: Assuming uniform quality distribution,
prove that repeated listening to the below-average tracks of
RDB will make the perceived quality of all his work identical.
Hint: Use mathematical induction
C