Sitara - Namkeen
Renu Thamma
Anand Tiwari (anand....@prairiecomm.com) wrote:
: i bought was "Namkeen - Sitara". At the outset "Sitara" is the superior
: soundtrack but the real treat in the cassette is opened when you listen
: to Namkeen.
[nice descriptions of soundtracks deleted]
: Aanki chali baanki chali: Asha (full of mirth and Asha's trademark
: laughter)
I've always wanted to know what the second line of this song meant. It
goes --- pantha bhate takhha baigun pora. Is this Bengali?
Sitara and Namkeen are also available along with Golmaal on CD. A must-buy
for all RD fans. The CD also contains the commentary by Gulzar that Anand
mentions.
And I think the Ali Baba aur 40 chor - The Burning Train combo would be
pretty neat! :) TBT has one of my all time favorite Asha songs --- 'meri
nazar hai tujhpe'. The way Asha changes her voice to suit Parveen and Hema
is amazing. Not to mention the music, which is hallmark RDB.
Renu.
S. Saxena
> namkeer and sitara is definitely one of the inferior RDB-Gulzar scores. Both
> have only one or two songs good, nothing great. Same RDB-Gulzar has given
> some fabulous music in 70's, even in 88 (Izzazat).
> Sometimes I wonder whether HMV is just cashing on RDB nostaligia wave by
> trying to promote not-so-great albums of RDB.
>
I beg to differ on this. RDB-Gulzar combo doesnot necessarily have songs
that might appeal to you at the first instance. Their songs make sense in
the movie where they should. In fact a few days back someone had a post
about songs of Angoor.. "hoton pe beeti baat aayee hai.." might not seem
such a beautiful number, if one doesnot know the context in which it is
sung.
The songs of Namkeen are definitely beautiful.. Phir se aayon.. is
exceptional no doubt... then "thodi si zameen .." is justout of the
world.. specially the first stanza where BS sings.."dene ko to jaan de
dein waada to nahin hai,,,"
Even in the 80s the songs of Izzazat and Libaas stand out..
Also in the late 80s and 90s, the two gave much less numbers together.
From the 70s, well Khushboo, Kinara, parichay all stand out with offbeat
numbers like.. Ek hi khwaab kayee baar dekha hai maine..by BS
But I definitely feel that Gulzar's commentary adds a different touch to
his songs.. Take his "Dil Dhooondhta hai" for instance... Before "Thodi si
zameen.." he says
Chhote chhote khwaab le kar janme the..
ek ghar , ek aangan, ek chulha , ek jhoola..
use dhaankne ke liye bas thoda sa aasmaan..
(i am not getting the exact words.. but this was the idea behind the song)
Also before "Kesariya, baalma more ..." when he talks about the kesari
saafe waala, etc etc..
his commentaries definitely give us an idea of his line of thoughts and so
just make these songs (may be otherwise ordinary songs(???)) memorable
ones.
Anand Tiwari
After Rahul Dev Burman's death, HMV has realized that his music sells.
At the last estimate he was pegged to be the second biggest draw in the
old (that is a relative term) songs music market by HMV. So now we have
HMV releasing the music of his films in new jackets and cassettes.
I have been buying these "new" releases regularly and the last one
i bought was "Namkeen - Sitara". At the outset "Sitara" is the superior
soundtrack but the real treat in the cassette is opened when you listen
to Namkeen.
However let us take a look at each side at a time
Side A:
Sunandni Pictures
SITARA (1980)
Music: Rahul Dev Burman
Lyrics: Gulzar
The songs:
Thodisi Zameen : Lata and Bhupinder
Yeh saaye hain, yeh duniya hai: Asha
Sajna ka kangna: Asha
Aap aaye gharib khaane mein: Asha
Saath Saath tum chalo: Asha and Bhupinder.
"Sitara" is an amazing soundtrack. All the tunes are good. "Thodi si Zameen"
has the tuning between Lata and Bhupinder at its peak. Her laughter, his
pause everything is breathtaking. So you would think what can equal or
better this and then comes the bombshell, Asha singing the solo "Yeh
saaye hain". On a first hearing i rewinded it 8 times to catch the exact
emotion in her voice, so complete and soothing. These two greats are
followed by 3 A grade songs with Bhupinder showing off the mischevious
aspect of his voice in "Sajna ka kangna" . His pronounciation of
"ghungat" with a strong and brief "t" sound is wonderful. "Aap aaye
gharib khaane mein" is very much in the Umraao Jaan mold but wonderfully
sung. The last song is the typical RDB foot tapping number and fairly
predictable.
So the question is who wins it? Lata or Asha. A very difficult choice for
i would have to decide between "Thodisi Zameen" and "Yeh Saaye hain".
Any suggestions and or help?
Side B:
Sadu (as it appears on the jacket) Chitra
Namkeen (1981)
Music: Rahul Dev Burman
Lyrics: Gulzar
"Namkeen" is the inferior of the two soundtracks but opens the
way i want every RDB album to open, with a Kishhore solo. This one
is no ordinary solo, but the timeless "long drive song". A very nice
and informative article on this song is archived at Sami's page. The
song is
Raah pe Rahte hain: Kishore Kumar
Kishore's breezy and soft rendition of this "song of the road" sets the
right mood for the treat you are about to hear.
Now comes the treat. Jinke paas awaaz aur dimaag dono hi achchi maatra
mein ho, us shaksiyat ko ek safed kurte payjaame mein bhi pehchaan ne mein
koi takleef nahin hoti. Yes the next thing on the menu is a commentary
by Gulzar.
Note the way he says, 4 aurton ka adhoora sa parivar, amma thi
saath ke upar. The way he ends his commentary is mind boggling.
"Manjhli bechaari goongi hai, Gaerulaal ne use aksar gungunaate huey
sunaa hai, behne kehti hain ki woh geet likha karti hai" and what do you
get after this, the immortal "Phir se aayo badra bidesi". At this point there
is need to stop and reflect on how much pleasure this cassette has
already given.
I fall short of proper words to describe Asha's rendition of this song. There is
no better example of "perfection". Quoting Neha "Ghantiyaan si bajti
hain mere kaanon mein" after hearing this song (though Neha refers
to another song). The other songs from Namkeen are
Aanki chali baanki chali: Asha (full of mirth and Asha's trademark laughter)
Commentary by Gulzar
Badi der se Megha Barse : Asha ( a slow composition, beautifully done)
Aisa laga koi surma najar maan: Alka Yagnik (pretty decent)
RMIMers have definitely heard these songs, to those who don't have this combo,
i would unhesitatingly ask you to buy this one. You cannot buy anything
more priceless for 2 dollars.
After listening to all the songs one can say that Sitara- Namkeen belongs
to the peerless Asha Bhonsle. Nice music, meaningful lyrics and
great singing, you have it all.
"Jal gaye jo dhoop mein to saaya ho gaye
Aasmaan ka koi kona odha so gaye"
regards
Anand (A Kishore Kumar fan, forever)
PS: The commentary before "Phir se aayo badra bidesi" is different from the
one which Gulzar has recited in the "Fursat ke raat din" album
Arunabha
In article <620d5q$m...@drn.zippo.com>, anand....@prairiecomm.com says...
>
ck. All the tunes are good. "Thodi si Zameen"
>has the tuning between Lata and Bhupinder at its peak. Her laughter, his
>pause everything is breathtaking. So you would think what can equal or
Fully agree with you here.
>better this and then comes the bombshell, Asha singing the solo "Yeh
>saaye hain". On a first hearing i rewinded it 8 times to catch the exact
>emotion in her voice, so complete and soothing.
And here. This seems a real tough song -a great job on the part of both RDB as
well as Asha. Surprisingly, heard it the first time on the furasat ke raat din
album and didn't even listen to all of it before I gave itt up as one boring one
RDB no. But the next time made me a full convert when I happened to listen to it
accidentally. The part where she sings Yahaan koi saahil sahaara nahin hai is
exquisite - RDB's music seems just right for conveying the mood, and Asha gets
full amrks for her end of the job too.
he mischevious
>aspect of his voice in "Sajna a kangna" . His pronounciation of
>"ghungat" with a strong and brief "t" sound is wonderful. "Aap aaye
>gharib khaane mein" is very much in the Umraao Jaan mold but wonderfully
>sung. The last song is the typical RDB foot tapping number and fairly
>predictable.
>
>So the question is who wins it? Lata or Asha. A very difficult choice for
>i would have to decide between "Thodisi Zameen" and "Yeh Saaye hain".
>Any suggestions and or help?
>
Wellllll, if you really want my opinion :-) (obvious isn't it ? ) Just joking.
Both songs are comparable, and choosing the better , i agre is tough.
>Side B:
>Sadu (as it appears on the jacket) Chitra
>Namkeen (1981)
>Music: Rahul Dev Burman
>Lyrics: Gulzar
>
>song is
>
>Raah pe Rahte hain: Kishore Kumar
>
>Kishore's breezy and soft rendition of this "song of the road" sets the
>right mood for the treat you are about to hear.
>
Here is where I differ. In general, I would rather have Gulzar's commentary or a
Lata/ Asha song to begin the proceedings. But as I have not heard this KK song ,
I cannot comment on its appropriateness for the shri ganesh of this side.
>Now comes the treat. Jinke paas awaaz aur dimaag dono hi achchi maatra
>mein ho, us shaksiyat ko ek safed kurte payjaame mein bhi pehchaan ne mein
>koi takleef nahin hoti. Yes the next thing on the menu is a commentary
>by Gulzar.
>
>Note the way he says, 4 aurton ka adhoora sa parivar, amma thi
>saath ke upar. The way he ends his commentary is mind boggling.
>"Manjhli bechaari goongi hai, Gaerulaal ne use aksar gungunaate huey
>sunaa hai, behne kehti hain ki woh geet likha karti hai" and what do you
>get after this, the immortal "Phir se aayo badra bidesi". At this point there
>is need to stop and reflect on how much pleasure this cassette has
>already given.
>
>I fall short of proper words to describe Asha's rendition of this song. There is
>no better example of "perfection". Quoting Neha "Ghantiyaan si bajti
>hain mere kaanon mein" after hearing this song (though Neha refers
>to another song). The other songs from Namkeen are
>
>Aanki chali baanki chali: Asha (full of mirth and Asha's trademark laughter)
>Commentary by Gulzar
>Badi der se Megha Barse : Asha ( a slow composition, beautifully done)
>Aisa laga koi surma najar maan: Alka Yagnik (pretty decent)
Kya !!!!! Woh yahaan bhi aa pahunchi !!!! :-) Didn't know Alka Yagnik had songs
dating back that far. Thought she was more a post- Qayamat se Qayamat tak
phenomenon.
>
>RMIMers have definitely heard these songs, to those who don't have this combo,
>i would unhesitatingly ask you to buy this one. You cannot buy anything
>more priceless for 2 dollars.
I'm sold !!!!!
>After listening to all the songs one can say that Sitara- Namkeen belongs
>to the peerless Asha Bhonsle. Nice music, meaningful lyrics and
>great singing, you have it all.
>
Aapke munh me ghee shakkar :-) What can I say , but "Man anand anand chhayo ,
Anand ki baaten sunkar" :-)
Thanks for letting us know of this good buy.
Regards,
Arunabha
ravi_krishna
>"S. says...
>I beg to differ on this. RDB-Gulzar combo doesnot necessarily have songs
>that might appeal to you at the first instance. Their songs make sense in
>the movie where they should. In fact a few days back someone had a post
>about songs of Angoor.. "hoton pe beeti baat aayee hai.." might not seem
>such a beautiful number, if one doesnot know the context in which it is
>sung.
I fully agree with you. Many of the Gulzar songs make sense only if you know
the context of the song in the movie. Best example is "mera kuch saman" from
Izzazat.
However the songs of Sitara and Namkeen were not great by any standards , moreso
by the high standard of RDB-Gulzar.
>Even in the 80s the songs of Izzazat and Libaas stand out..
>Also in the late 80s and 90s, the two gave much less numbers together.
>
>From the 70s, well Khushboo, Kinara, parichay all stand out with offbeat
>numbers like.. Ek hi khwaab kayee baar dekha hai maine..by BS
Gulzar-RDB combo has given very good songs , but they have also give
some mediocre stuff like Devta, Some Rekha-AnantNag snake movie in 1980,Jeeva,
Rang Birang etc.
-- RaviK.
Arunabha
Hi Renu,
>
>I've always wanted to know what the second line of this song meant. It
>goes --- pantha bhate takhha baigun pora. Is this Bengali?
>
Yes, this is Bengali. I believe they are using a pestle to crush grain or
something in the movie before the meal (can't remember , too far back) ,
when Shabana sings this . Panta bhaat is rice of
the non-crisp variety- a soft, mushy kind .
Begun pora is the baingan burnt directly over the flame and eaten with rice,
and usu. onions and chilly. (Goes really well with mushy rice, I may add)
It is a typically Bengali dish, I think.
Tatka probably means sharp, or well cooked. Not sure.
Regards,
Arunabha
Arunabha
In article <620q7v$a...@drn.zippo.com>, Ravi says...
>
>In article <620oco$f8$1...@NNTP.MsState.Edu>, rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu says...
>
>>Sitara and Namkeen are also available along with Golmaal on CD. A must-buy
>>for all RD fans. The CD also contains the commentary by Gulzar that Anand
>>mentions.
>
>GOOD** , then why was their soundtrack such a resounding flop in 80/81.
>
>The only reason I could think of was lack of RMIM in 80/81 :-)
>
>-- RaviK.
Hi,
While we are on this topic, I had this question. I heard that ijaazat was
not successful financially as a movie, although of course its terrific
music(IMHO) is dear to RMIM. Was its soundtrack successful in general when it
was released ? If not, then the lack of RMIM is a viable reason :-)
Oh , and that reminds me, which year was RMIM started ? Was Ijaazat released
before then ?
Arunabha
Arunabha
Hi,
I have only very vague recollections of bits and pieces of this song, so I doubt
it will be possible for anyone to identify the song I am thinking of. Still,
am giving it a try ...
First , what I'm sure of : It's by Asha Bhosle, and music is by OP Nayyar . In
fact the violin interludes that I can recall have similarity to those in
Deewana Hua Badal. In fact when I heard the song the first time, some lines
sounded similar to Deewana Hua Badal too, and I thought it was the same song,
but then the lyrics turned out to be different. The tune and beat werew also the
characteristic OPN "Ghoda Gadi" type, so unless it's an excellent case of
Plagiarism, I'm pretty sure it must have been him.
I'm not sure whether there was another singer or not- prob.. not, if at all,
maybe Rafi.
Lyrics: Here is where I'm very shaky in my recollections : Seem to remember
something like :
Aankhon me nasha, something me something...
Pehchaan hai mere dilbar ke,
Aankhon me nasha or whatever sounds like the stanza "Aisi to meri taqdeeer na
thi " from Deewana hu badal, I think.
after the dilbar ke, there is the OPn violin sequence with notes (I think)
Komal Ni, Sa Ga Ma....
If someone can identify it, pl. let me know. Thanks,
Arunabha.
Unknown
>
>Aankhon me nasha, something me something...
>Pehchaan hai mere dilbar ke,
hoto.n pe ha.Nsii, aa.Nkho.n me.n nashaa, pehchaan hai mere dilbar kii,
jab Daalii nazar dil moh liyaa, kyaa baat hai, kyaa baat hai is jaadugar kii
I am not sure of the second line but I am pretty sure this is the song. The film
is Sawan Ki Ghata (Sharmila/Manoj Kumar) Music is by OPN:-)
Keep smiling
Nita
na Garaz kisii se na waastaa, mujhe kaam apne hii kaam se,
tere zikr se, terii fikr se, terii yaad se, tere naam se
- Jigar
ravi_krishna
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
Ravi Krishna writes:
> I am not able to understand this. If songs of Sitara and Namkeen
> were **SO GOOD** , then why was their soundtrack such a resounding
> flop in 80/81.
> The only reason I could think of was lack of RMIM in 80/81 :-)
Does this mean that if something is 'good', it must be
'popular'; and/or if something is 'popular', then it must be 'good'?
Therein lies your answer, Ravi...
On to your other post, where you dissed a few other RDB-Gulzar
combo soundtracks. I will only defend 'Devta' and 'Jeeva' for now,
primarily because I do not recall all the songs of the other films
off-hand.
In 'Jeeva' I have found two absolutely priceless numbers...
1. roz roz aa.Nkho.n tale... (Asha & Amit)
2. dil pukaare jiivaa re aa re... (Asha)
While the former is quite famous thanks to the 'Pancham' CD,
the latter is equally good if not better both in terms of lyrics and
orchestration. The other songs in the film are not as good, but they
are not bad either. The movie is eminently avoidable, though.
While I might attribute your dislike for 'Jeeva' to Amit Kumar
(your admiration for his singing is well-chronicled on RMIM), I
completely fail to see how you can call 'Devta' mediocre. This is the
same soundtrack that has 'chaa.nd churaake laaya huu.N' and 'gulmohar
gar tumhaaraa naam hotaa'!
Incidentally, we recently picked up a CD of 'Devta' with
'Naukar' and 'Charitraheen', all RDB soundtracks. Certainly a must-buy
for all RDB aficionados...
Ciao,
ND
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ravi_krishna
> anand....@prairiecomm.com says...
>After Rahul Dev Burman's death, HMV has realized that his music sells.
>At the last estimate he was pegged to be the second biggest draw in the
>old (that is a relative term) songs music market by HMV.
And pray which is the biggest draw. I am dying to know that.
> So now we have
>HMV releasing the music of his films in new jackets and cassettes.
>I have been buying these "new" releases regularly and the last one
> i bought was "Namkeen - Sitara". At the outset "Sitara" is the superior
>soundtrack but the real treat in the cassette is opened when you listen
>to Namkeen.
namkeer and sitara is definitely one of the inferior RDB-Gulzar scores. Both
have only one or two songs good, nothing great. Same RDB-Gulzar has given
some fabulous music in 70's, even in 88 (Izzazat).
Sometimes I wonder whether HMV is just cashing on RDB nostaligia wave by
trying to promote not-so-great albums of RDB.
-- RaviK.
PS: what next HMV , combo of Alibaba-40-chor and Burning Train.
S. Saxena
On 14 Oct 1997, Arunabha wrote:
> While we are on this topic, I had this question. I heard that ijaazat was
> not successful financially as a movie, although of course its terrific
> music(IMHO) is dear to RMIM. Was its soundtrack successful in general when it
> was released ? If not, then the lack of RMIM is a viable reason :-)
> Oh , and that reminds me, which year was RMIM started ? Was Ijaazat released
> before then ?
The soundtrack was definitely successful. Also as far as Gulzar's movies
are concerned, they are never made for masses, so even if they are not
commercially successful, they are well acclaimed by the critics and other
people with taste for good cinema.
In fact, izzazat and arth-saath are two soundtracks which are found in
mostt households in India and also by Indians abroad.
S. Saxena
>
> Gulzar-RDB combo has given very good songs , but they have also give
> some mediocre stuff like Devta, Some Rekha-AnantNag snake movie in 1980,Jeeva,
> Rang Birang etc.
>
> -- RaviK.
Well, I am not sure if all the songs from jeeva were written by Gulzar,
but definitely "Roz Roz Aankhon Taley.." is a beautiful number.. Asha is
good but Amit is just wonderful...
Hema
Arunabha wrote:
> >Aisa laga koi surma najar maan: Alka Yagnik (pretty decent)
>
> Kya !!!!! Woh yahaan bhi aa pahunchi !!!! :-) Didn't know Alka Yagnik had songs
> dating back that far. Thought she was more a post- Qayamat se Qayamat tak
> phenomenon.
She was a phenomenon after the success of QSQT(I would rate this as her
best songs till date), but she did exist before that. She had sung a
version of "mere angane mein", which I believe was in late seventies.
She also has a song in the movie "Pighalta Aasman" which was popular on
the radio, I don't remember the lyrics off hand. I think its a duet
with Manhar. Talking about Manhar, IMO the guy has a decent voice and
sings well, better than his brother Pankaj.
> >
> >RMIMers have definitely heard these songs, to those who don't have this combo,
> >i would unhesitatingly ask you to buy this one. You cannot buy anything
> >more priceless for 2 dollars.
>
> I'm sold !!!!!
Maybe I didn't understand, but still wanted to clear my doubt. Anand,
are you saying that you got the CD for 2 bucks or are you missing a
significant 0 there?!
Hema.
Arun Verma
In article <620i36$a...@drn.zippo.com>, <Ravi Krishna> wrote:
<snip>
>
>namkeer and sitara is definitely one of the inferior RDB-Gulzar scores. Both
>have only one or two songs good, nothing great. Same RDB-Gulzar has given
>some fabulous music in 70's, even in 88 (Izzazat).
>Sometimes I wonder whether HMV is just cashing on RDB nostaligia wave by
>trying to promote not-so-great albums of RDB.
>
>-- RaviK.
>
>PS: what next HMV , combo of Alibaba-40-chor and Burning Train.
I haven't listened to Alibaba-40-chor, but Burning Train is definitely
an above average(IMHO, ofcourse) album by RDB. My favorite number from
this is the following excellent ghazal by Asha Bhosle :
Kisi ke Vaade pe kyon aitbaar humne kiya
Na aane vaalon ka kyon intezar humne kiya
Lyrics aren't anything to write about, but the singing and tune is great.
Also includes a lovely prayer-like song (tuned like a christian devotional song,
Another similar song is from recent Sapney -- I forget the words, Ikram? One
of the best of AR Rahman, mHo.)
Teri hai zameen tera aasman tu bada mehrbaan ...
The most interesting compostion from this album is an Asha solo, which is composed
like a fusion between western and Indian music -- Nice tune, but
RDB didn't do a very good job of music(mho, again), It becomes noisy..nevertheless,
a very good song :
Meri nazar hai tujhpe, teri nazar hai mujhpe.
Other songs are :
Pal do pal ka saath hamara - Asha, Rafi
Pehli nazar mein humne to - Asha, Usha, Kishore, Rafi
Vaada haan Vaada - Asha, Kishore.
The last two are typical chirpy RDB duets. Pehli nazar mein
has interesting use of the singers, two female singers always
sing together and two male singers always sing together.
Lyrics by Sahir (surprise?) are nothing extraordinary except for a few nice
lines in Pal do pal ka saath hamara.
Arun
Arun Verma
In article <620vbr$s...@drn.zippo.com>,
Arunabha <as...@midway.uchicago.edu> wrote:
>Aankhon me nasha, something me something...
>Pehchaan hai mere dilbar ke,
>
Its "honton pe hansi, aankhon mein nasha, pehchan hai mere dilbar ki..."
sung excellently by Asha. Its from Sawan ki Ghata, has some great music
by OPN.!
Arun (OPN rules).
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
Chetan Vinchhi <cvin...@lucent.com> writes:
> > She was a phenomenon after the success of QSQT(I would rate this as her
> > best songs till date), but she did exist before that. She had sung a
> > version of "mere angane mein", which I believe was in late seventies.
> > She also has a song in the movie "Pighalta Aasman" which was popular on
> > the radio, I don't remember the lyrics off hand.
Alka Yagnik had been a Kalyanji-Anandji protege for a number
of years, and used to dub songs for them till she made it on her own
in 'Laawaris' with 'mere a.nganane me.n'. Still, big-time success was
hard to find till QSQT happened.
> The song you are looking for is perhaps
>
> F: terii merii prem kahaanii ( kitaabo.n me.n ) x 3 bhii na milegii
> M: tere mere pyaar ki khusboo ( gulaabo.n me.n ) x 3 bhii na milegii
Indeed, this was the most famous number from 'Pighalta
aasmaan'.
> Pstats anyone? Something vaguely tells me that the male singer was
> Kishore! And that the lyricist was a female!!
The male singer is indeed Kishore. The music is by
Kalyanji-Anandji, and the lyrics _could be_ by Maya Govind.
S. Saxena
On 15 Oct 1997, Arun Verma wrote:
> In article <620i36$a...@drn.zippo.com>, <Ravi Krishna> wrote:
> <snip>
> >
> Pal do pal ka saath hamara - Asha, Rafi
> Pehli nazar mein humne to - Asha, Usha, Kishore, Rafi
> Vaada haan Vaada - Asha, Kishore.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^]
I think the male singer was rafi and not Kishore.
Vandana Venkatesan
S. Saxena (ssa...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
: The soundtrack was definitely successful. Also as far as Gulzar's movies
: are concerned, they are never made for masses, so even if they are not
: commercially successful, they are well acclaimed by the critics and other
: people with taste for good cinema.
:
: In fact, izzazat and arth-saath are two soundtracks which are found in
: mostt households in India and also by Indians abroad.
Of the three (Ijaazat, Arth and Saath-Saath), only "Ijaazat" is Gulzar's.
"Saath-Saath" was not a Gulzar film. It did not have lyrics by Gulzar,
but I cannot remember who.
"Arth" is a masterpiece, very sensitively directed by Mahesh Bhat. The
song lyrics are by Kaifi Azmi.
"Ijaazat" pales in comparision to "Arth". Though brilliant in parts,
Gulzar's flair for melodrama and over-expression and the strong desire
to promote his own intellectual image by passing off absurdity as
profundity sinks the movie.
Vandana vven...@pcocd2.intel.com
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Arunabha
Hi Arun, Nita, Preetham and others who identified the song,
Thanks a lot. Though I don't know how with mere snippets of info. you crack the
song everytime. Mind boggling ! :-)
Arunabha
Chetan Vinchhi
Hema wrote:
>
> She was a phenomenon after the success of QSQT(I would rate this as her
> best songs till date), but she did exist before that. She had sung a
> version of "mere angane mein", which I believe was in late seventies.
> She also has a song in the movie "Pighalta Aasman" which was popular on
> the radio, I don't remember the lyrics off hand.
The song you are looking for is perhaps
F: terii merii prem kahaanii ( kitaabo.n me.n ) x 3 bhii na milegii
M: tere mere pyaar ki khusboo ( gulaabo.n me.n ) x 3 bhii na milegii
Pstats anyone? Something vaguely tells me that the male singer was
Kishore! And that the lyricist was a female!!
> Maybe I didn't understand, but still wanted to clear my doubt. Anand,
> are you saying that you got the CD for 2 bucks or are you missing a
> significant 0 there?!
Have you heard of cassettes? They are smaller than CDs, analog in
nature,
approximately rectangular in shape, two-holed instead of one and can
actually produce sound (albeit of a lower quality) on antediluvian
devices called decks. They used to be quite popular before 1997 but
you might have been too young then.
C
Hema
Anand Tiwari wrote:
> She also sings a duet with Kishore in "Kaamchor", the
> lovely "Tumse badhkar duniya mein na dekha koii aur ". The solo
> version of this song has been sung by Chandru Atma.
Does the solo version occur in the movie? Is Chandru Atma C.H. Atma's
son?
Hema.
Nitin Sharma
S. Saxena (ssa...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
:
: > Sometimes I wonder whether HMV is just cashing on RDB nostaligia wave by
: > trying to promote not-so-great albums of RDB.
: I beg to differ on this. RDB-Gulzar combo doesnot necessarily have songs
: that might appeal to you at the first instance. Their songs make sense in
: the movie where they should. In fact a few days back someone had a post
I think you missed Ravi's point. How does this soundtrack compare
with some of the other RD-Gullu films?
Also, there is more to good songs than just "making sense". I mean,
this is the least one could expect. And I dare say, some people here
believe that some of Gulzar's songs dont pass even this elementary
test. :^)
: his commentaries definitely give us an idea of his line of thoughts and so
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah, right. Sometimes very elusive otherwise, :)
I feel in some respects songs are like jokes. If you have to give
lengthy explanations, half the fun is lost. Or may be not..
: just make these songs (may be otherwise ordinary songs(???)) memorable
: ones.
I'm sure some people will agree wholeheartedly. With only a
certain part of the above, of course.
-nitin
Ashok
In article <620oco$f8$1...@NNTP.MsState.Edu>, rth...@Ra.MsState.Eduu says...
>
>Sitara and Namkeen are also available along with Golmaal on CD. A must-buy
>for all RD fans. The CD also contains the commentary by Gulzar that Anand
>mentions.
Thanks for the caveat emptor :) The reason for buying audio cassettes of
these soundtracks, rather than watching the film, is to avoid the punishment
of having to deal with the results of Gulzar's intellectual indigestion.
Are there any recordings that do NOT have Gulzar's commentary?
>
>And I think the Ali Baba aur 40 chor - The Burning Train combo would be
>pretty neat! :) TBT has one of my all time favorite Asha songs --- 'meri
>nazar hai tujhpe'. The way Asha changes her voice to suit Parveen and Hema
>is amazing. Not to mention the music, which is hallmark RDB.
>
>Renu.
Both are available, e.g., 'Ali Baba Aur 40 Chor' with 'Professor Pyarelal'
and 'The Burning Train' with 'The Great Gambler.' No idea of the music;
haven't opened the shrinkwrap yet. Actually, I am looking for 'Alibaba
40 Chor' soundtrack (of 1954) composed by SN Tripathi. I believe it has
just been released.
Ashok
Anand Tiwari
In article , Hema says...
>Maybe I didn't understand, but still wanted to clear my doubt. Anand,
>are you saying that you got the CD for 2 bucks or are you missing a
>significant 0 there?!
>
>Hema.
Hema,
I bought the cassette not the CD for 2 bucks. Also i think Alka Yagink
started her career with "Mere Angne mein" from
"Lawaaris" in 1981. She also sings a duet with Kishore in "Kaamchor", the
lovely "Tumse badhkar duniya mein na dekha koii aur ". The solo
version of this song has been sung by Chandru Atma. I do agree that
the Udit - Alka duets of QSQT are definitely one of her best outputs till
date.
regards
Anand ( A Kishore Kumar fan, forever)
Renu Thamma
Ashok (ADhar...@WorldBank.Org) wrote:
: Are there any recordings that do NOT have Gulzar's commentary?
Not to my knowledge.
: Both are available, e.g., 'Ali Baba Aur 40 Chor' with 'Professor Pyarelal'
: and 'The Burning Train' with 'The Great Gambler.' No idea of the music;
: haven't opened the shrinkwrap yet. Actually, I am looking for 'Alibaba
: 40 Chor' soundtrack (of 1954) composed by SN Tripathi. I believe it has
: just been released.
I have the 'The Burning Train - The Great Gambler' combo and found it to
be a worthwhile buy. TGG has the following ---
o Do lafzon ki hai dil ki kahaani (Asha)
o O deewanon dil sambhaalo (Asha)
o Tum kitne din baad mile (Asha)
o Raqqaazaa mera naam (Asha, Rafi)
o Pehle pehle pyaar ki mulaaqaatein (Asha, Kishore)
Interestingly TGG has Amitabh in double role but no male solos. Its an
Asha dominated soundtrack and even the duet with Rafi can hardly be
considered one.
What are the songs of 'Professor Pyarelal' ? Who is the MD?
Renu.
ravi_krishna
In article <625gql$8oh$1...@NNTP.MsState.Edu>, rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu says...
>I have the 'The Burning Train - The Great Gambler' combo and found it to
>be a worthwhile buy. TGG has the following ---
Ofcourse the music of TGG is good. IIRC the song of the movies was recorded
around two years before the release of the movie in 1979. The movie took a lot
of time to complete and it shows. In patches Zeenat Aman looked very young.
> o Pehle pehle pyaar ki mulaaqaatein (Asha, Kishore)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This song had Anand Bakhsi at his worst ( not that he is a great writer
otherwise). The name of the character of Neetu Singh is Seema. Yet at the
end of second interlude:-
Kishore Kumar (for Amithab): tera kya naam hai ..
Asha B (for Neetu Singh): sultana ...
HTF did Seema become Sultana ?
>What are the songs of 'Professor Pyarelal' ? Who is the MD?
Eminently avoidable album. MD is Kalyanji - Anandji.
-- Ravi Krishna
Anand Tiwari
In article , rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu says...
>
>I have the 'The Burning Train - The Great Gambler' combo and found it to
>be a worthwhile buy. TGG has the following ---
>
> o Do lafzon ki hai dil ki kahaani (Asha)
> o O deewanon dil sambhaalo (Asha)
> o Tum kitne din baad mile (Asha)
> o Raqqaazaa mera naam (Asha, Rafi)
> o Pehle pehle pyaar ki mulaaqaatein (Asha, Kishore)
>
>Interestingly TGG has Amitabh in double role but no male solos. Its an
>Asha dominated soundtrack and even the duet with Rafi can hardly be
>considered one.
Thanks Renu, for listing the songs of TGG. What a soundtrack and what
a movie! I beleive this was Shakti Samanta's first switch over to Amitabh
(after his loyality to Rajesh Khanna ended). The film also had Utpal Dutt in a
ridiculous villainish role and there was a "K2" plan (taken from the name
of a mountain). The first song in the film is "Aye deewaano dil sambhalo"
picturised on Zeenat and this is my favourite even though the gondola
song is better. A few years back TGG was re released in the cow belt with
the Hindi title "Sabse bada Juaari".
Later on Shakti Samanta made "Barsaat ki ek raat" in Hindi. There
was a post couple of days back on this. the Bengali
version of this film was very successful and the songs (same tunes
as BKER) sound much much better in Bengali. Just listen to "Amaar shopno
je shotti holo aaj" (Apne pyaar ke sapne sach huey). The Shakti Samanta -
RDB team was just great! The trivial difference between BKER
and Anusandhan is that Rakhee is called Rajni in the Hindi version and
Tamasa in the Bengali version, though the meaning is the same. As
an aside i have never known anybody named Tamasa, and i believe it
is an uncommon name.
>What are the songs of 'Professor Pyarelal' ? Who is the MD?
I saw Professor Pyarelal in 1982 but i believe it was released an year
earlier. I remember only one song from film the title number "Professor
Pyaarelal". It starred Dharmendra and the higlight of the film was the
climax fight in the air thousands of feet above ground between Dharam
and Amjad Khan. AFAIR the heroine was Zeenat and Vinod Mehra had
a guest appearance.
Those were the days when every Friday meant a visit to the cinema hall.
Koii lauta de mere beetey huey din
regards
Anand ( A Dev Anand fan)
>
>Renu.
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu (Renu Thamma) writes:
> What are the songs of 'Professor Pyarelal' ? Who is the MD?
It's a Kalyanji-Anandji soundtrack, fairly mediocre. The movie
stars Dharmendra, Zeenat, Shammi Kapoor and Vinod Mehra; and is even
worse. A couple of numbers I recall offhand are both Asha solos...
o gaa gaa gaaye jaa, aur muskuraaye jaa...
o koii hai?
dilwaala, diiwaanaa, matawaalaa mastaanaa
jo, jaan pe apanii khele...
S. Saxena
On 15 Oct 1997, Vandana Venkatesan wrote:
> S. Saxena (ssa...@u.washington.edu) wrote:
>
> : The soundtrack was definitely successful. Also as far as Gulzar's movies
> : are concerned, they are never made for masses, so even if they are not
> : commercially successful, they are well acclaimed by the critics and other
> : people with taste for good cinema.
> :
> : In fact, izzazat and arth-saath are two soundtracks which are found in
> : mostt households in India and also by Indians abroad.
>
>
> Of the three (Ijaazat, Arth and Saath-Saath), only "Ijaazat" is Gulzar's.
I did not mean that they are all by Gulzar. I only meant that these are
all great soundtracks from the 80s.
>
> "Saath-Saath" was not a Gulzar film. It did not have lyrics by Gulzar,
> but I cannot remember who.
Well, the lyricist was none othet than javed Akhter.
>
> "Arth" is a masterpiece, very sensitively directed by Mahesh Bhat. The
> song lyrics are by Kaifi Azmi.
INDEED!!
>
> "Ijaazat" pales in comparision to "Arth". Though brilliant in parts,
> Gulzar's flair for melodrama and over-expression and the strong desire
> to promote his own intellectual image by passing off absurdity as
> profundity sinks the movie.
>
I don't agree on that. Both movies were good in their own ways. they can't
be compared.
Pradeep Dubey
Hemlata N Khemani wrote:
>
> Renu Thamma <rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
> > o Do lafzon ki hai dil ki kahaani (Asha)
> > o O deewanon dil sambhaalo (Asha)
> > o Tum kitne din baad mile (Asha)
> > o Raqqaazaa mera naam (Asha, Rafi)
> > o Pehle pehle pyaar ki mulaaqaatein (Asha, Kishore)
> >
>
> singing in Portuguese. Well, not a duet technically, but you know what I
> mean...
This was of course quite a popular song. However, one thing that
always bothered me about this was the fact that at one place during
the song, strong flute piece starts before Asha is quite finished
with her words. I wonder if that was just an artifact of my tape(s)
or a real 'imperfection'.
Pradeep
>
> Hema.
> --
Neeraj Deshmukh - The Falcon
hnk...@pitt.edu (Hemlata N Khemani) writes:
> shouldn't "do lafzon ki hai" be considered a duet? I rememebr the
> boatman singing in Portuguese. Well, not a duet technically, but
> you know what I mean...
The cassette jacket lists the following 'singers' --- Sharad
Kumar, Amitabh Bachchan and Asha Bhosle. That Sharad Kapoor sang the
Italian part (it's Venice, Hema :-) ) is an obvious guess. Amitabh is
part of the dialogue that follows this and precedes the main song.
Anand Tiwari
In article , hnk...@pitt.edu says...
>
>Renu Thamma <rth...@Ra.MsState.Edu> wrote:
>> o Do lafzon ki hai dil ki kahaani (Asha)
>> o O deewanon dil sambhaalo (Asha)
>> o Tum kitne din baad mile (Asha)
>> o Raqqaazaa mera naam (Asha, Rafi)
>> o Pehle pehle pyaar ki mulaaqaatein (Asha, Kishore)
>>
>
>singing in Portuguese. Well, not a duet technically, but you know what I
>mean...
>
>--
Hema,
It is actually a triet with Amitabh Bachchan and Sharad Kumar chipping in.
Sharad Kumar is the guy who sings the Italian (?) portion of the song.
But it is Asha who carries the song solely on her vocal abilities. Remember when
Amitabh asks Zeenat "Aise nahin, gaa ke sunaao", you have that "laakhon mein ek
Asha Bhonsle laughter" and she says, "gaa ke!" and starts the song.
A. Kamoh
hi guys....
in seattle, wa we are celebrating diwali on the 1st of november...i need a
song..preferably a solo, female dance song....any suggestions...?? thanks
in advance:)
aman