Uma Devi song from 1935 movie
Abhay Jain
cassette has songs from 1932-1940.
Forth song on side A has following
particlulars.
Song: Mere Prem Ki Naiya
Artists: Uma Devi and Pahadi Sanyal
MD: R. C. Boral
Year: 1935
There was a lot of discussion recently about
the first movie of Uma Devi as a singer.
It was concluded that Wamiq Azra (1946)
was her first movie.
Are these two Uma Devi same?
Abhay Jain
naniwadekar
"Abhay Jain" <aba...@aol.com> wrote -
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> Song: Mere Prem Ki Naiya
> Artists: Uma Devi and Pahadi Sanyal
> MD: R. C. Boral
> Year: 1935
>
> There was a lot of discussion recently about
> the first movie of Uma Devi as a singer.
> It was concluded that Wamiq Azra (1946)
> was her first movie.
>
> Are these two Uma Devi same?
>
Let's just say HMV prefers having sense of humour over
boring tasks like consulting standard works of reference.
If you check the obituary thread on Uma Devi, you will find
the answer to your question there.
Also, lyrics to this song have been posted on rmim.
That's another reference to go by.
- dn
Abhay Jain
It is listed as 'Dhoop Chhaon"
Abhay Jain
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Pulkit
The singer for the song is Uma Shashi(her other songs I
remember:"duniyaa ra.ng ra.ngiilii" with Saigal and Pankaj Mullick in
Dhartimata (1938), "prem nagar me.n banaaoo.Ngii ghar" with Saigal in
Chandidas(1934)). Another interesting blunder by HMV is that when they
released Vintage Favorites From Films(1932-42)set, the collection had
songs by Uma Shashi but the pic on the casette cover was of Uma
Devi(tun tun).
Pulkit.
Sudhir
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Uma Shashi
However, the records lists her name as Uma Devi. Her most popular
and easily avilable song is from:
Film: DHARTIMATA
Title: Duniya Rang Rangili Baba x 2
Singers (as listed on records): Pankaj Mullick,
Uma Devi and
K.L.
Saigal
For HFGK - Vol 1, Mr. Hamraaz, made the appropriate correction,
changing the name from: Uma Devi to Uma Shashi
The song listed by me and the one you mentioned were released by
Hindustan Records. HMV released them under a licence.
Sudhir
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naniwadekar
"Sudhir" <maild...@yahoo.com> wrote -
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> Uma Shashi
> However, the records lists her name as Uma Devi.
>
If Uma Shashi is mentioned as Uma Devi on 78s, HMV's
releases over last 15-20 years have at least some defense
for not getting the name right. However, Hamraaz has
mentioned conflict of names in many places (e.g; Bulo
C Rani is mentioned as ' MD Bhola' on some records
though he used that nickname only as singer) and for
Chandidas and Dharatimata, Uma Shashi / Uma Devi
case is not mentioned.
- dn
Sudhir
Instead of giving credit to Mr. Hamraaz, for making the corrections,
you
are blaming him.
Mr. Hamraaz did the cross-check with the film's publicity booklet,
which had the names of directors, song-writers, MDs and the
artists
with the lists of songs from the record companies.
In case of Chandidas and Dhartimata, since the female artist was
listed
in the booklet as Uma Shashi and in that era almost all songs were
rendered by the the artists themselves, so he changed the listing
under the songs from Uma (or Uma Devi) to Uma Shashi.
There was no need to add the footnote and contact any one for
double-check.
In case of Bhola / Bulo C Rani, one had to do such leg-work and
considering the fact that Mr. Bhola was never considered as a gifted
singer, such efforts would have been and still will be waste of time.
Once again HMV has nothing to do with Uma / Uma Devi /
Uma Shashi business. They get the info. from Hindustan / INRECO
and list it as is on the inlay jacket. In case of Dhartimata's song
(re-issued
on an HMV LP / K L Saigal / ........ There is no listing of
Lyricst, MD
or other singer (and in many cases, even the film name is missing).
The information was hand-written by me from my Song Book, compiled
two decades earlier than release of HFGK - 1
SUDHIR
P.S.: In case you want to have a tiff with 'Diwana Ramu' i.e. RPG
and HMV, I can suggest ton load of issues, which I too want
to get resolved. Let me know, when you are ready to 'Bajao
Biggle' and declare war. May be, I will join you in this
crusade
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naniwadekar
"Sudhir" <maild...@yahoo.com> wrote -
>
> Instead of giving credit to Mr. Hamraaz, for making the corrections,
> you are blaming him.
>
> listed
> in the booklet as Uma Shashi and in that era almost all songs were
> rendered by the the artists themselves, so he changed the listing
> under the songs from Uma (or Uma Devi) to Uma Shashi.
>
> There was no need to add the footnote and contact any one for
> double-check.
>
If the 78 mentioned her name as Uma / Devi, there a case for
mentioning it in the HFGK volume. That said, it is very difficult
to list all such cases. The entries for Pehli Nazar or Mahal do
not mention which names were used on Mukesh, Naseem Akhtar
and Lata's records. You have to draw the line somewhere.
I am not blaming Hamraaz; I had accused HMV of not getting
the singer's name right and I wanted to make my case against
HMV less strong. That said, I still do wish HMV should
cross-check their stats against Geet Kosh volumes. But I don't
intend to 'bajao bugle' for battle.
>
> In case of Bhola / Bulo C Rani, one had to do such leg-work and
> considering the fact that Mr. Bhola was never considered as a gifted
> singer, such efforts would have been and still will be waste of time.
>
Now look who is refusing to give Hamraaz due credit. It is not
compiler's business to treat 'non-gifted' singers in step-motherly
fashion. Efforts to uncover obscure information may not be
appreciated by you but you are completely wrong to call it
'waste of time'. It should be considered 'quest for perfection'.
I, and others like Anil Biswas, have asked Hamraaz in the past
not to bother about worthless decades (post-1970 era). But
once a decision is made to cover a decade, all info for all songs
should be included. Besides, Bulo C Rani was gifted enough for
all-time greats like Gyan Dutt and Khemchand Prakash to have
asked him to sing their songs. I think you look for immediate
appeal or sweetness in voice. If you expend some efforts
towards trying to understand how brilliant minds of the 1940s
used singers like Bulo C Rani or Leela Chitnis or Nalini
Jaywant whose appeal may not be apparent to you, you will
be able to enjoy better the less-known output of our great MDs.
- dn
Sudhir
hard to find songs: Mangne Se Jo Maut Mil Jaati, and Badi Bhool Huyi
for over 30 years.
However, how good he singer he was, I don't know. Since, no song of his
was re-issued by HMV or ever mentioned by Music Critics, I didn't
even have him on my 'Want List".
I agree with you that the copiler, Mr. Harmrraz should have made efforts to
make corrections, but then it would have taken him another 10 years
to finish the research.
Sudhir
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> "Sudhir" <maild...@yahoo.com> wrote -
Sudhir
As far as 'Declaring War' is concerned,
Darne Ki Koyi Baat Nahin.
Ek Na Ek Din To Ramu Diwana / RPG Chala Jayega
Then you and me both can sing:
Khushiyaan Manayen Kyon Na Hum
Kismat Hamare Saath Hai
Sudhir
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But I don't intend to 'bajao bugle' for battle.
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