Bihari Kalyan vs. Shuddha Nat
MAUSAM
AIR release). His rendition sounded awfully close to Mallikarjun Mansur's
Shuddha Nat (ankhan mori lagi). Especially the repetition of M,GRG,RSR
phrase in both these. Are the raags Bihari Kalyan and Shuddha Nat similar?
What are their chalans?
Mausam
Akash
Check this link on sawf. Rajan has posted some examples of this.
http://www.sawf.org/Newedit/edit04302001/musicarts1.asp
BTW- Bihari Kalyan by VHK is called as Sar Nat by Babanrao Haldankar.
They both sing same bandish (raga is same too) and belong to same
gharana, but name the raga differently.
Thanx.
AG
Abhik Majumdar
> gharana, but name the raga differently.
Name the Raga differently? As in 'I dub thee Saar Nat'?
Abhik
Adwait Joshi
Abhik,
I think this is also true with Raag Haunsdhwani and Kaushi Dhwani.
Both are same raags named differently! May be because Haunsdhwani is
originating from Carnatic style.
Adwait
Warren Senders
> Both are same raags named differently! May be because Haunsdhwani is
> originating from Carnatic style.
> Adwait
The two raags are not identical at all.
WS
Adwait Joshi
Warren,
Could you please point out the differences between the two above
raags. May be I am wrong on the names!
Adwait
gir...@dslextreme.com
I think he means Bhinna Shadja and Kaushik Dhwani...
Warren
in essence:
Hamsdhwani: S R G P N s
Kaushik Dhwani: S G M D N s
If Adwait really meant Bhinna Shadja and Kaushik Dhwani,
those two scales are the same, although there has been
much learned dispute about chalan differences, etc.
WS
MAUSAM
> If Adwait really meant Bhinna Shadja and Kaushik Dhwani,
> those two scales are the same, although there has been
> much learned dispute about chalan differences, etc.
>
> WS
And there is a "Hindoli" too. I think that is very similar to Bhinna
Shadja. So probably that might be a better example for same raag named
differently. Another example to the point is "Bheem" and "Gavati".
Mausam
mysticmusician
CRAP!!!!! Yes I mean Bhinna Shadja and Kaushik Dhwani :))) I am sorry I
dont know what I was thinking.
MAUSAM
"instrumental wale use Gavati bolte hain" or something like that.
Warren, is there any recording of Bheem with komal gandhar in taar saptak?
Mausam
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On Fri, 3 Dec 2004, Abhay Phadnis wrote:
> Warren Senders wrote:
> (snip)
> > And Bhim and Gavati are not exactly identical; Bhim uses
> > komal ga in a few tar saptak phrases (presumably to
> > ensure that it's not confused with Gavati).
>
> FWIW: In a concert in Pune two years ago, Prabhakar Karekar prefaced his
> Gavati with the remark that he had been taught the raga under the name
> Bhim ("aamhaalaa haa raag bheem mhaNuun shikavalaa, aataa aamhii to
> gaavatii mhaNuun gaato").
>
> Warm regards,
> Abhay
>
Abhay Phadnis
Warren Senders
Hindoli, IIRC, is sometimes known as Hindolika.
And Bhim and Gavati are not exactly identical; Bhim uses
komal ga in a few tar saptak phrases (presumably to
ensure that it's not confused with Gavati).
WS
naniwadekar
"Warren Senders" <war...@aol.com> wrote -
>
> Hindoli, IIRC, is sometimes known as Hindolika.
>
I am not aware of Hindoli being referred to as Hindolika.
Perhaps you are thinking of 'Hindolita'? Bhimsen had set
his Todi 45 rpm cheez 'ai ri mai aaj shubh-mangal gaao'
in a totally different (and new?) raag and he used to sing it
a lot in late '80s. I have read that raag being called Hindolita
(Hindol + Lalit) in a newspaper concert review, presumably
after getting the name from Bhimsen himself.
- dn
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
> I have heard Yashwant Bua remark once (when farmaished for Bheem) ki
> "instrumental wale use Gavati bolte hain" or something like that.
>
> Warren, is there any recording of Bheem with komal gandhar in taar saptak?
>
> Mausam
At least one, a flute-violin duet between Ronu Majumdar and Sangeeta Shankar.
Sanjeev
A Pavan
Ronu also has a solo recording of Bheem with Sukhwinder Namadhari on
the Tabla.
Veena Sahasrabuddhe has a nice recording of Bheem on the "Bandish"
Double Album (Vol 1 of 2).
Not sure about the komal G bit - will have to listen to them again.
Pavan
Warren Senders
> I have heard Yashwant Bua remark once (when farmaished for Bheem) ki
> "instrumental wale use Gavati bolte hain" or something like that.
>
> Warren, is there any recording of Bheem with komal gandhar in taar saptak?
>
> Mausam
I have recordings in my collection of Khadim Hussain Khan
at T. D. Janorikar singing the raag, which in both cases is
Romanized as "Bhim," BTW. The Janorikar is a commercial
tape. I would have to listen to confirm the use of the tar saptak
komal gandhar...and I will, but not right now.
WS