Abdul Sattar Tari recordings?
Orlando Fiol
now living in New Jersey, and I've realized that although he plays
absolutely wonderfully for my lessons, I've rarely heard any recordings
of him. I first wanted to study with him because of a rupak solo on a
video of Pakistani tabla players that I've heard. Khansahab says he
gives many concerts and records all the time, but I can never find
anything. The only thing I've found is some fusion stuff which really
isn't my cup of tea. So, I'm asking the group to help me out. I'd
really like to get to know my guru's playing better through recordings,
so I'd like to know if any of you have any. He's a very humble man and
rarely likes to talk about his own achievements. Every time I ask him
about what he's recorded, he changes the subject. Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Orlando
A.Pavan
I have also been looking to get hold of his recordings but there
seem to be so few. All I have is a live recording from Lok Virsa -
a series of TV broadcasts in Pakistan.
I have not heard a lot about his classical accompaniment - he is
mostly known as a Ghazal accompanist and plays with Kathak dance,
accompanying his wife, who is a Kathak dancer. I have never
seen any recording of his with a classical musician. The only
one I have is one with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan in which Nusrat sings
"a classical" on Raga Gawati. It is quite bad. Nusrat was no classical
vocalist and breaks into frenzied sargam almost immediately after
lauching the khayal. Tari Khan provides good accompaniment but overall
it is not a good vocal performance at all so it is pointless to
listen to Tari Khan on it.
To hear Tari Khan at his best, turn to some of the old LPs recorded in
the 70s and 80s of Ghulam Ali, the ghazal singer. Tari is brilliant
in his accompaniment of ghazals.
Pavan
Orlando Fiol
> I have also been looking to get hold of his recordings but there
> seem to be so few. All I have is a live recording from Lok Virsa -
> a series of TV broadcasts in Pakistan.
> I have not heard a lot about his classical accompaniment - he is
> mostly known as a Ghazal accompanist and plays with Kathak dance,
> accompanying his wife, who is a Kathak dancer.
His wife is also a fantastic Kyaal singer.
>I have never
> seen any recording of his with a classical musician.
There seem to be some with Ustad Sultan Khan and Vilaiat Khan, according
to a web site I consulted.
>The only
> one I have is one with Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan in which Nusrat sings
> "a classical" on Raga Gawati. It is quite bad. Nusrat was no classical
> vocalist and breaks into frenzied sargam almost immediately after
> launching the khayal.
That must have been hard for Khan sahib, as it must have been even more
difficult to bear with Zakir Hussain.
>Tari Khan provides good accompaniment but overall
> it is not a good vocal performance at all so it is pointless to
> listen to Tari Khan on it.
I still would want it just for collection's sake.
> To hear Tari Khan at his best, turn to some of the old LPs recorded in
> the 70s and 80s of Ghulam Ali, the ghazal singer. Tari is brilliant
> in his accompaniment of ghazals.
I shall indeed. I should say, however, that Khan sahib is quite the
classical tabla player as well. If he gives so many concerts with
classical artists and plays such pure Panjab gharana during my lessons,
there must be something we're all missing.
Orlando
Marc Neville
Khan?
Marc Neville
Studio City, CA
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accompanied many classical music Ustads as well as ghazal
singers.
I have video recording of his live performance with Asad
Amanat Ali Khan & Hamid Ali Khan.I also have a recording with
Ustad Salamat Ali Khan.
His wife is a good Khayal singer.She is one of the best
students of Pt. Rajan Mishra.
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A.Pavan
accompanies the late Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan. But Nusrat was no
classical singer. The Gavati he (Nusrat) sings there is sheer circus in
sueprfast sargams, nothing else.
I have heard about Tari Khan accompanying Vilayat Khan now and
then but never seen a recording. Stragely enough many classical
musicians I talk to also do not know of his commercial recordings.
My feeling is he is unfortunately branded as a ghazal accompanist
and doesnot get looked upon favorably in the classical circuit.
Besides he seems to be playing, for the most part, with his wife
accmpanying her in her kathak performances.
I would be interested in knowing about his commercial recordings
with classical artists. e.g with Ravi Shankar, Vilayat Khan,
Pavan
In article <_dXl5.8210$4T.4...@bgtnsc07-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
Marc Neville
players, along with Zakir, Anindo, Swapan, Samir, etc.?
I have never heard him perform, but I have heard many positive things about
him.
Marc Neville
Studio City, CA
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A.Pavan
It was an awesome concert and Tari's playing was simply superb. For Ghazal
accompaniment I don't think there is a better Tabla player than Tari.
However, hardly anything is known about his playing in the classical
circuit. In talking to many classical artists, strangely they
can say little opr nothing about him.
They all consider him to be very good with Ghazal though. So I don't
know what, if any, the problem is. He doesn't get around much with the
classical musicians at all it seems. He has got branded as a Ghazal
accompanist.
Not having heard him in a classical performance, I would hesitate to
put him on par with Swapan, Anindo and Zakir. However, the one solo
recording I have of his is quite good, in rupak taal and shows amply
what he is capable of.
The other thing I heard was that he never really "completed" his training
(if there is such a thing) with Ustad Shaukat Hussain and got too busy
with offers to play with Ghulam Ali and other ghazal singers very early on.
He quit his taleem prematurely and since then he never got back into
the classical scene much.
Well, that's about all I know.
Pavan
In article <Cmnm5.59598$RG6.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
bdixit
accompany Ghazal singers like him. Almost a magician with his fingers. Although
I have not heard his accompaniment with classical musicians, in my conversations
with a few classical musicians (e.g. Jasraj, Shivkumar Sharma etc.), they have
said that he is very good for vocal and instrumental accompaniment, as well as in
solo performances. One of the Kathak dancers of some repute said to me that he
can also accompany Kathak dancers very well. However, he has not been given
those type of opportunities. ... Balwant Dixit
"A.Pavan" wrote:
> I have heard him live, but in a Ghazal concert (accompanying Mehdi Hassan).
> It was an awesome concert and Tari's playing was simply superb. For Ghazal
> accompaniment I don't think there is a better Tabla player than Tari.
>
> However, hardly anything is known about his playing in the classical
> circuit. In talking to many classical artists, strangely they
> can say little opr nothing about him.
> They all consider him to be very good with Ghazal though. So I don't
> know what, if any, the problem is. He doesn't get around much with the
> classical musicians at all it seems. He has got branded as a Ghazal
> accompanist.
>
> Not having heard him in a classical performance, I would hesitate to
> put him on par with Swapan, Anindo and Zakir. However, the one solo
> recording I have of his is quite good, in rupak taal and shows amply
> what he is capable of.
>
> The other thing I heard was that he never really "completed" his training
> (if there is such a thing) with Ustad Shaukat Hussain and got too busy
> with offers to play with Ghulam Ali and other ghazal singers very early on.
> He quit his taleem prematurely and since then he never got back into
> the classical scene much.
>
> Well, that's about all I know.
>
> Pavan
>
> In article <Cmnm5.59598$RG6.3...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
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Orlando Fiol
> I have heard him live, but in a Ghazal concert (accompanying Mehdi Hassan).
> It was an awesome concert and Tari's playing was simply superb. For Ghazal
> accompaniment I don't think there is a better Tabla player than Tari.
> However, hardly anything is known about his playing in the classical
> circuit. In talking to many classical artists, strangely they
> can say little or nothing about him.
Strange, since his concert schedule is packed with appearances with
classical musicians. I should know, since he wasn't in town for my
weekly lesson this week.
> They all consider him to be very good with Ghazal though. So I don't
> know what, if any, the problem is. He doesn't get around much with the
> classical musicians at all it seems.
You simply don't know how much he plays or with whom. While I don't know
the particulars, I know what he tells me, and he has said on a number of
occasions that he plays with classical players.
>He has got branded as a Ghazal
> accompanist.
He is not the only Pakistani tabla player to play for ghazal singers.
it seems that in Pakistan, accompanying ghazals isn't as low status as
some may think. Apparently, accompanying qawwali is a different matter.
> Not having heard him in a classical performance, I would hesitate to
> put him on par with Swapan, Anindo and Zakir.
You say that because you haven't sat before him, listening to him play
pure classical tabla material.
>However, the one solo
> recording I have of his is quite good, in rupak taal and shows amply
> what he is capable of.
I'm so glad you approve.
> The other thing I heard was that he never really "completed" his training
> (if there is such a thing) with Ustad Shaukat Hussain and got too busy
> with offers to play with Ghulam Ali and other ghazal singers very early on.
> He quit his taleem prematurely and since then he never got back into
> the classical scene much.
This is utter nonsense. Be careful of rumors. Ustaad Shaukat Hussain
was alive until about ten years ago, and Khansaab only came to the
United States about 20 years ago. He has since been back to Pakistan
many times and has told me that he's seen his Ustaad and has taken talim
while there.
Orlando
A.Pavan
>> It was an awesome concert and Tari's playing was simply superb. For Ghazal
>> accompaniment I don't think there is a better Tabla player than Tari.
>
>I hope you're right, since I haven't heard Khansaab's ghazal playing yet.
Just pick any random Ghulam Ali recording from the 70s and 80s and
in all probability it will be Tari accompanying. Great stuff. His
laggis are phenomenal.
Sometime ago he also used to play with Talat Aziz, the Ghazaliya from
Hyderabad, India. And he has recorded a Ghazal album with Mala Ganguly,
who lives in LA and is a good ghazal singer. I have the album - Tari's
playing on it, as can be expected, is top notch.
>Strange, since his concert schedule is packed with appearances with
>classical musicians. I should know, since he wasn't in town for my
>weekly lesson this week.
>You simply don't know how much he plays or with whom. While I don't know
>the particulars, I know what he tells me, and he has said on a number of
>occasions that he plays with classical players.
It would help me to know who he plays with regularly and if he has
any commercial recordings in the classical arena.
>He is not the only Pakistani tabla player to play for ghazal singers.
>it seems that in Pakistan, accompanying ghazals isn't as low status as
>some may think. Apparently, accompanying qawwali is a different matter.
Yes, that is true. Usually classical Tabla players will not play
as much with Ghazals. There are exceptions of course - Zakir has
played with Hariharan on a commercial recording.
>You say that because you haven't sat before him, listening to him play
>pure classical tabla material.
I did hear him live, once, with Mehdi Hassan. His only solo
recording, while very good, isn't enough for me to say he belongs in
the same class. So please, please do point me to his classical recordings.
Also it seems he is mostly performing in the NJ/NY area. I hardly
see any postings on rmic with his name. Perhaps, as his student
you might do us a favor by posting announcements of his concerts
as and when they happen. That way, if he is performing anywhere
close to MN, I would love to go and hear him play.
>>However, the one solo
>> recording I have of his is quite good, in rupak taal and shows amply
>> what he is capable of.
>
>I'm so glad you approve.
It is very good, but short and hurried.
Anyway, I'm just as big an admirer of Tari Khan as you, just to dispel
any notions of dislike.
Regards.
Pavan
Jaswinder Ahluwalia
Marc just told me about this news group. I am a student of Ustad Tari Khan and have known him for almost all of my life (i'm 19 years old). First off, let me clear up some of the rumors here. Ustad Tari Khan Took full Taleem from Ustad Shaukat hussain right up until his death. In fact Ustad Tari Khan cries when he hears recordings of his ustad. He considered his ustad to be his father. Also, Ustad Tari Khan is performing all over the world, not just in NY and NJ. He was in london perforing with Sultan Khan and he was here in california last week performing with Salamat Ali and family playing quwaee, mat tal, jhaptal, and sool fak taal.
Let me just list here some of the artists that ustad tari khan has performed with:
Ustad rais khan, ustad vilayat khan, shaid parvez, pandit v.g jog, dr l subramanium (they played 8 3/8 beats), fateh ali khan, salamat ali khan, nusrat fateh ali khan, sultan khan, Hari haran, talat aziz, ustad medhi hassan, ghulam ali...the list goes on and on.
Ustad tari khan has a cd coming out with sultan khan. He also has some solo recordings due out. But otherwise he has loads of classical and non-classical recordings out. you just have to find them.
I am currently in the process of making a web page which will contain sound and video clips. I will be sure to post the url when it is finished.
Also, here is an interesting fact. That roopak solo was released without the permission of ustad tari khan. He simply came as an audience member. But they forced him to play by basically begging. That is why the solo was so short. He even said that he would never release a recording that his ustad is playing on out of respect for his ustad.
Well anyways, now that i know this newsgroup exists, i will be sure to write to it more often.
Thanks,
Jas
A.Pavan
>
>Marc just told me about this news group. I am a student of
>Ustad Tari Khan and
>have known him for almost all of my life (i'm 19 years old). First off,
>let me clear up some of the rumors here. Ustad Tari Khan Took full
>Taleem from Ustad Shaukat hussain right up until his death. In fact
>Ustad Tari Khan cries when he hears recordings of his ustad. He
>considered his ustad to be his father. Also, Ustad Tari Khan is
>performing all over the world, not just in NY and NJ. He was in
>london perforing with Sultan Khan and he was here in california last week
>performing with Salamat Ali and family playing quwaee, mat tal,
>jhaptal, and soolfak taal.
Hi,
Thanks for all the info on Tari Khan. Sadly this great Tabla player
lacks the PR machinery and support to make his name better known to
lovers of ICM. He needs to be heard by more people. He is certainly one
of the great Tabla players around.
>Let me just list here some of the artists that ustad tari khan
>has performed with:
>
>Ustad rais khan, ustad vilayat khan, shaid parvez, pandit v.g jog, dr l
>subramanium (they played 8 3/8 beats), fateh ali khan, salamat ali khan,
>nusrat fateh ali khan, sultan khan, Hari haran, talat aziz,
>ustad medhi hassan, ghulam ali...the list goes on and on.
I haven't seen many announcements in the US. Again, the tail end of the
list has only Ghazal singers which I'm aware of. Please do inform us
of his US concerts.
>Ustad tari khan has a cd coming out with sultan khan. He also has some solo
>recordings due out. But otherwise he has loads of classical and non-classical
>recordings out. you just have to find them.
I would be interested in knowing when they are out.
>Also, here is an interesting fact. That roopak solo was released without the
>permission of ustad tari khan. He simply came as an audience member. But they
>forced him to play by basically begging. That is why the solo was so short. He
>even said that he would never release a recording that his ustad is
>playing on out of respect for his ustad.
Yes, I have heard so too.
Again, thanks for the info and hope you can bring out more about this
great Tabaliya.
Regards.
Pavan
Jaswinder Ahluwalia
over the US.
Also, some are under the impression that playing with Ghazals is easy. Playing with
ghazals is one of the most difficult diciplines of tabla. And if you will notice
when Ustad tari khan play's a tehaee (spelling?) it will never match up with the
taal he is playing. Meaning if he is playing 8 beats, he will bring tehaees that
are 7, 9, 11, 13, 5, 6, 10 1/2...etc etc beats long to fit in the 8 beat cycle. The
fact that he does this proves that he is a classical tabla player. Also, in ghazal
tabla, a tabla player has to land his tehaee on a specific word, even though the
asthaee will have many sums.
Pt. Jasraj specially requested Ustad Tari Khan to accompany him at the indian
embassy program in washington D.C. not long ago.
.
Jas
"A.Pavan" wrote:
> >Hi,
> >
> >Marc just told me about this news group. I am a student of
> >Ustad Tari Khan and
> >have known him for almost all of my life (i'm 19 years old). First off,
> >let me clear up some of the rumors here. Ustad Tari Khan Took full
> >Taleem from Ustad Shaukat hussain right up until his death. In fact
> >Ustad Tari Khan cries when he hears recordings of his ustad. He
> >considered his ustad to be his father. Also, Ustad Tari Khan is
> >performing all over the world, not just in NY and NJ. He was in
> >london perforing with Sultan Khan and he was here in california last week
> >performing with Salamat Ali and family playing quwaee, mat tal,
> >jhaptal, and soolfak taal.
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for all the info on Tari Khan. Sadly this great Tabla player
> lacks the PR machinery and support to make his name better known to
> lovers of ICM. He needs to be heard by more people. He is certainly one
> of the great Tabla players around.
>
> >Let me just list here some of the artists that ustad tari khan
> >has performed with:
> >
> >Ustad rais khan, ustad vilayat khan, shaid parvez, pandit v.g jog, dr l
> >subramanium (they played 8 3/8 beats), fateh ali khan, salamat ali khan,
> >nusrat fateh ali khan, sultan khan, Hari haran, talat aziz,
> >ustad medhi hassan, ghulam ali...the list goes on and on.
>
> I haven't seen many announcements in the US. Again, the tail end of the
> list has only Ghazal singers which I'm aware of. Please do inform us
> of his US concerts.
>
> >Ustad tari khan has a cd coming out with sultan khan. He also has some solo
> >recordings due out. But otherwise he has loads of classical and non-classical
> >recordings out. you just have to find them.
>
> I would be interested in knowing when they are out.
>
> >Also, here is an interesting fact. That roopak solo was released without the
> >permission of ustad tari khan. He simply came as an audience member. But they
> >forced him to play by basically begging. That is why the solo was so short. He
> >even said that he would never release a recording that his ustad is
> >playing on out of respect for his ustad.
>
ned2468
This conversation on Tari has been extremely lovely and has made running
to my old cassettes of Ghulam Ali from the 70s and 80s including a wonderful
cassette of thumris called "Sheesh Mahal". I was wondering if Tari was the
accompanist for this cassette ? The tabla playing was really quite nice.
Btw, would it be possible to know which of the studio recordings did Tari
accompany Ghulam Ali with during the course of his career.
The posting on Tari's career, by the way, was great. It was good to get some
details about him.
Sandip.
A.Pavan
Although the Sheesh Mahal album doesn't list the name of the Tabaliya,
going by the laggis and the overall style of accompaniment I'm tempted
to believe it is indeed Tari.
Pavan
lahor...@my-deja.com
Arshad Ali is accompanying Ghulam Ali on the "Sheesh Mahal" recording.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
ned2468
explain to me why is that Ghulam Ali and Tari parted company. I take it was
because Tari left for the States. I have seen Arshad Ali accompany Ghulam Ali
many times now on recordings and in concerts. Who is he ?
Thanks..
Sandip.