Madhuban mein radhika naache re --- A Query
Ajay P Nerurkar
Anyone who has listened to this song - another of Naushad's magic tricks -
would not have failed to notice that on two distinct occasions machine gun
taans are delivered in a voice that is clearly of some classical vocalist.
I would like to identify this singer. Those whom I have asked have guessed
Bade GHulam Ali Khan, Amir Khan and even Ram Marathe !
--
Ajay
Rajan P. Parrikar
>In <3iifet$h...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> adas...@uoguelph.ca (Aniruddha
>Dasgupta) writes:
>
>>
>>Ajay P Nerurkar (a...@cs.buffalo.edu) wrote:
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>>: Anyone who has listened to this song - another of Naushad's magic
>saying
>>in an interview that the song is about Radha and Krishana (hinduism) ,
>however
>>the singer , music director and the writer were all Muslims and
>>described this song as truly representing Indian integrity.
>DEFINITELY RAFI HIMSELF. The CD of KOHINOOR credits him alone, too.
It is DEFINITELY not Rafi, your cocksureness notwithstanding:-). I
had heard long ago that Ram Marathe did it but recently Bhalchandra
Thatte (I think) popped up another name (I forget who).
Rajan
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email: parr...@mimicad.colorado.edu
>guri
Preetham Gopalaswamy
In article <3iig0m$q...@ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bu...@ix.netcom.com (Guri) writes:
>In <3iifet$h...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> adas...@uoguelph.ca (Aniruddha
>Dasgupta) writes:
>
>>
>>Ajay P Nerurkar (a...@cs.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>>
>>
>> in an interview that the song is about Radha and Krishana (hinduism),
>> described this song as truly representing Indian integrity.
>
>DEFINITELY RAFI HIMSELF. The CD of KOHINOOR credits him alone, too.
No it is most DEFINITELY NOT Rafi. With due respect and apologies to all
Rafi fans, I am not sure that Rafi could have accomplished those vocal
gymnastics. The singer, as far as I know has not been credited on any of the
CDs or records but I did see another post on rmim which identified the singer
as being Parveen Sultana's husband. Btw, if you notice the picturization of
the song, those portions alone are on Mukri, while the rest of the song is
sung by Dilip Kumar. So it does also make logical sense that the singer is
not Rafi. Moreover, the voices are VERY VERY distinctly different.
Preetham
Srikanth Gopalan
: None of the names mentioned is correct.
: The super-fast taans are by the famous singer Niaz Ahmed. Niaz belongs to
: the Kirana Gharana.
: Dr. Asoke Chatterjee
I have heard this attributed to D.V.Paluskar too!
-Srikanth
Guri
writes:
I've learnt not to open my mouth again without making sure! You forced
me to listen to the sonf - yes it's hard to imagine Rafi doing it (do
you think it could be SD Batish (he used to do this kind of 'role'
amongst singers those days: case in point the original long version of
'Poochho Na Kaise Maine Rayn Bitayee' from Meri Soorat Teri Aankhen). It
might be interseting to ask the Batish family who have apparantly got an
Institute of music here in the US, I think there a newsgroup or
something on Mosaic frome them).
Anyway, apologies apart, I still don't agree with Ajay if he wanted to
imply that Rafi was not CAPABLE of good taans - this very song has great
stuff in that genre from him, too. The idea that these film songs are
the sure-fire evidence of the CLASSICAL music abilities of these singers
is erroneous, I think.
begging to differ!
guri
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
>In <3iifet$h...@ccshst05.cs.uoguelph.ca> adas...@uoguelph.ca (Aniruddha
>Dasgupta) writes:
>
>>
>>Ajay P Nerurkar (a...@cs.buffalo.edu) wrote:
>>
>>
>saying
>>in an interview that the song is about Radha and Krishana (hinduism) ,
>however
>>the singer , music director and the writer were all Muslims and
>>described this song as truly representing Indian integrity.
>DEFINITELY RAFI HIMSELF. The CD of KOHINOOR credits him alone, too.
>
NO. I REFUSE TO BELIEVE IT. I who consider myself one of the world's
GREATEST Mohammad Rafi fans, REFUSE to believe that Rafi did it. Though
he had classical training, I do NOT believe he was capable of those
hyperspeed taans...plus, in the movie, those taans are executed Not by
Dilip Kumara, who sings the rest of the song, but by MUKRI, as sort of a
comic interlude, while Dilip (rafi) comes back in each time on the
mukhda ("Madhuban Men...(Mukri) Aaaaa...aaaaa..aaaa)
My best guess would be Ustad Bade Ghulam Ali Khan, because of the sound
of the voice, and the precision of the taans, which are fairly typical
of the Patiala style which Ust. BGAK followed.
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
Shah Ratilal
Bhalchandra Thatte <tha...@math.ohio-state.edu> wrote:
>In article <D4GM...@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
>IMO, the tanas are not as good as the tanas of Bade Ghulam/Amir Khan/
>Ram Marathe.
>
>Bhalchandra Thatte
>
>>Ajay
>
>
The "taan" after the third "antara" are sung by Aamir Khan. And the
tarana is sung by Rafi.
-RAHUL SHAH
Shah Ratilal
>in an interview that the song is about Radha and Krishana (hinduism) , however
>the singer , music director and the writer were all Muslims and
>described this song as truly representing Indian integrity.
>
-RAHUL SHAH
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>Aniruddha Dasgupta e-mail: adas...@uoguelph.ca
>Dept. of Computing & Info. Sc. an...@snowhite.cis.uoguelph.ca
>U. of Guelph,
>Guelph, Ontario,
>N1G 2W1, Canada.
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Biju Parameshwaran
> I would like to identify this singer. Those whom I have asked have guessed
> Bade GHulam Ali Khan, Amir Khan and even Ram Marathe !
Yes, it was Bade Ghulam Ali Khan alright.
Shah Ratilal
Bade Ghulam Ali Khan saaheb never sung for a movie before
Mughal-e-Aazam. Naushad knew that BGAK would never sing for a movie. But
Mehboob Khan insisted that he wants a cheez sung by BGAK. So Naushad
advised BGAK to ask for big amount so that Mehboob Khan would not ask
him to sing. So BGAK asked for some Rs. 40000/- for one song. But
Mehboob Khan paid that much amount on the spot and got the song sung. In
fact he paid twice the amount and got 2 songs sung.(Shubha Din Aayo and
Jogan Ban Gaye)
Whereas Aamir Khan had sung previously for Naushad. (Tori Jayjaykar,
Sargam and Aaj Gavat Man Mero Jhoomake (with D V Paluskar)(all songs
from Baiju Bawra), one song in
Shabab (I don't remember the wording just now)).
And the greatest evidence is voice and style.
I think that's enough.
Any comments?
-RAHUL SHAH
Sriram Devanathan
In article <fPJKlKXg...@oslonett.no>, na...@oslonett.no (Narasimhan M.G.) writes:
|> In article <D4GM...@acsu.buffalo.edu>,
|>
Great! Now that we have settled this song, I have several more that I need
clarification on. Here's what I think:
dam maro dam mit jaaye ham ------- GanguBai Hangal
hari om hari ------- ---ditto---
jawani janeman hasina dilruba ------- Prabha Atre
Om shanti om shanti shanti om ------- Hari Om Sharan
Aaja Aaja Mein hoon pyar tera ------- Parveen Sultana
Eagerly waiting
Sriram
Ramesh Hariharan
>
>It is DEFINITELY not Rafi, your cocksureness notwithstanding:-). I
>had heard long ago that Ram Marathe did it but recently Bhalchandra
>Thatte (I think) popped up another name (I forget who).
>
>
>Rajan
On a related note .. isin't this male voice VERY high pitched ... I
would have bet that it is a woman's voice if I had not heard
these comments on the net.
--
Ramesh Hariharan, Princeton U.
Chala jaata hoon kisi ki dhun mein dhadakte dil ke tarane liye
Milan ki masti bhari aankhon mein hazaaron sapane suhane liye
Ajay P Nerurkar
I'm posting this at the request of Deepak Deolalikar who doesn't have
direct access to the net.
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I guess u posted a query on this song. Ths singer of taans is Ustad Amir Khan.
The song is in Raag Hamir(in case u are a classical buff)
FYI, in Baiju Bawra there are 2 songs, one by Amir Khan(Tori jai jai kartar..)
and the other a duet of Amir khan and Paluskar(Aaj gawat man mero ...).
Naushad was a great fan of his.
If U can post this on the newsgroup, it will be good, as I still don't have
access to send mail from my log in. (I am on MVS)
Deepak
RAFI-an
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Ajay
D H Kulkarni
>Great! Now that we have settled this song, I have several more that I need
>clarification on. Here's what I think:
>dam maro dam mit jaaye ham ------- GanguBai Hangal
>hari om hari ------- ---ditto---
>jawani janeman hasina dilruba ------- Prabha Atre
I am sitting fingers crossed with a great hope that somebody would say
it is not true :-( Both have such a great impact on my appreciation
for vocal music. Hari om hari should be Usha Uthup anyway. I just don't want
to remember jawani janeman when I listen to Bhairav or Kalavathi by
Prabha-thai next :-)
-- kulki
Sujata
That singer is Bhimsen Joshi
