Kadanakuthuhalam... What's its origin???

Venkata Nemana

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Jan 29, 1992, 2:11:01 AM1/29/92

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Hi folks!

Long time ago I've requested the netters to clear one of my
doubts. But I might have messed up something; my article
didn't appear on the net.

Well, le' me post it again.

I was discussing one of the beautiful and inspiring ragas ->
Kadanakuthuhalam.

Arohana: Sa Ri(ch) Ma(sh) Da(ch) Ni(?) Ga(an) Pa Sa
Avarohana: Sa Ni(?) Da(ch) Pa Ma(sh) Ga(an) Ri(ch) Sa

where
ch -> chathusruti
sh -> shudda
an -> antara

But I'm not sure of the nishadham.

If the kadanakuthuhalam is a 'janya raga' of Shankarabharanam(mela
kartha #29), its 'kakada' nishadham.
Else if its from Hari-Kambhoji(mela kartha #28), its 'kaisika' nishadham.

I'm not quite sure of the 'janaka' raga of Kadanakuthuhalam.

By listening to the raga, I've a nagging doubt that its
Hari-Kambhoji.

Can anybody confirm it?

Thanx.

Jani.

Rajiv Ramaswami

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Jan 30, 1992, 2:10:39 PM1/30/92

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Is is true that kadanakuthuhalam was created by Harikesanallur
Muthiah Bhagavathar for the song "Raghuvamsa sudha"?

Rajiv

Srini Pichumani

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Jan 30, 1992, 4:04:03 PM1/30/92

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This song was composed by Patnam Subramanya Iyer; he is credited with
the "invention" of this raaga. A raaga by the name of Kuthuhalam seems to
have existed before; Patnam S. Iyer is credited with having modified that
and composed this piece in the new raaga called "Kadanakuthuhalam".

Muthiah Bhagavathar's composition in this raaga is "Giripriyam Gangadharam".
Madurai T.N.Seshagopalan has rendered it on one of his earliest LPs/cassettes
on the Sangeetha label.

There is also a composition of GNB in this raaga,which has been rendered by
all of his disciples.

--Srini

Raghunath K Rao

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Jan 30, 1992, 12:40:59 PM1/30/92

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In article <janaki.6...@cs1.bradley.edu> jan...@cs1.bradley.edu (Venkata Nemana) writes:
>
>Hi folks!
>
>Long time ago I've requested the netters to clear one of my
>doubts. But I might have messed up something; my article
>didn't appear on the net.
>
>Well, le' me post it again.
>
>I was discussing one of the beautiful and inspiring ragas ->
>Kadanakuthuhalam.
>
>Arohana: Sa Ri(ch) Ma(sh) Da(ch) Ni(?) Ga(an) Pa Sa

^^^^^

>Avarohana: Sa Ni(?) Da(ch) Pa Ma(sh) Ga(an) Ri(ch) Sa

^^^^^
It is the Kakali Nishada of Shankarabharanam

>
> where
> ch -> chathusruti
> sh -> shudda
> an -> antara
>
>But I'm not sure of the nishadham.
>
>If the kadanakuthuhalam is a 'janya raga' of Shankarabharanam(mela
>kartha #29), its 'kakada' nishadham.
>Else if its from Hari-Kambhoji(mela kartha #28), its 'kaisika' nishadham.
>
>I'm not quite sure of the 'janaka' raga of Kadanakuthuhalam.
>
>By listening to the raga, I've a nagging doubt that its
>Hari-Kambhoji.

The Janaka raga should be Shankarabharanam.
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Jan 31, 1992, 12:44:49 AM1/31/92

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ths...@iitmax.iit.edu (Raghunath K Rao) writes:

>jan...@cs1.bradley.edu (Venkata Nemana) writes:
>>If the kadanakuthuhalam is a 'janya raga' of Shankarabharanam(mela
>>kartha #29), its 'kakada' nishadham.
>>Else if its from Hari-Kambhoji(mela kartha #28), its 'kaisika' nishadham.
>>
>>I'm not quite sure of the 'janaka' raga of Kadanakuthuhalam.
>>
>>By listening to the raga, I've a nagging doubt that its
>>Hari-Kambhoji.
>
>The Janaka raga should be Shankarabharanam.

Well, Kadanakutoohalam IS a janya of Harikambhoji.

I'd be interested in hearing from readers about their favorite kritis
in different ragas. Also, some of the best renderings of these ragas.
(The artist's name, and, if possible, the particular concert would be
interesting information.)

Thanks,

-jayaram
--
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Raghunath K Rao

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Jan 31, 1992, 12:49:59 PM1/31/92

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In article <201...@unix.cis.pitt.edu> rama...@unix.cis.pitt.edu (J Ramanathan) writes:
>ths...@iitmax.iit.edu (Raghunath K Rao) writes:
>>jan...@cs1.bradley.edu (Venkata Nemana) writes:
>>>If the kadanakuthuhalam is a 'janya raga' of Shankarabharanam(mela
>>>kartha #29), its 'kakada' nishadham.
>>>Else if its from Hari-Kambhoji(mela kartha #28), its 'kaisika' nishadham.
>>>
>>>I'm not quite sure of the 'janaka' raga of Kadanakuthuhalam.
>>>
>>>By listening to the raga, I've a nagging doubt that its
>>>Hari-Kambhoji.
>>
>>The Janaka raga should be Shankarabharanam.
>
>Well, Kadanakutoohalam IS a janya of Harikambhoji.
>

Beg to differ, Jayaram, but Kadahakuthuhalam IS a janya of
Dhirashankharabharanam (29) and NOT Harikambhoji (28).
Check your references. The Nishada is totally different!