Kirana Gharana
Manohar Bodas
Nayak Dhondu and Nayak Bhannu Mul Purush
Gijih Kkan
Gullu Khan
Rahem Ali
Husen Ali
Gulam Maulikhan
Bajat Ali Khan
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Abdulla Khan Shende Khan Kale Khan Haidaer Baksh
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Vaheed Khan Abdul Lateef Abdul Karim Khan
AbdulHaq
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Heerabai Begum Akhtar Mahammad Rafi '
Badodekar '
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Suresh Babu Mane,Dashrath Bua Mule, Balkrishna Kapileshwari, Sawai
Gandharv,
Antu Bua Gadgil, Shankarrao Sarnaik, Ganpatbuwa Behre, Roshan Ara
Begum, Balwantrao Rukdikar, Ganpatrao Rukdikar, Shamshuddin Khan, Dr
D.V. Patankar, Kamurao Mangeshkar, Krishnarao Javkar
Tanu Sakhalkar, Nurjahan Saheb Jan Sofi Jan Babalal Savar Kapadia
No information available about Beenkar BadeAli Khan and Kirana. His
Darga is under Nava pool in Pune (this is the book )
Info from Swaryadnya isbn 81-7434-242-7
Do not confuse Shende khan with Sinde Khan ( Shinde as someone called)
MB
Abhay Phadnis
direct disciples as the termination point? Thanks to this, the list ends up
not having the names of people who have been synonymous with the gharana for
five decades now.
Firoz Dastur's name should be there anyway - he was a direct disciple of
Abdul Karim Khan.
Warm regards,
Abhay
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debjoy
thanks for all the info provided in this thread about kirana
gharana.
what i am curious about is that - i heard a recording of ustad niaz
ahmed khan and ustad faiyaz ahmed khan and was informed that they were
from kirana gharana. can anybody tell me if they were direct disciples
of ustad abdul karim khan or not?
And just mentioning the fact that a recording of the raga komal rishav
asavari by pandit pran nath is available at the website:
http://www.dovesong.com/MP3/MP3_India_asawari.asp
thanking again for the discussion in this thread.
-debjoy
Bosma
Bashir Khan, singer and sarangiya, son of Rahman Baksh and father of
Faiyaz and Niaz Ahmed Khan.
I wonder why this branch is so often quite deleted from the Kirana
gharana history. His sons are, I think, among the best of the last
generation.
Hans Bosma
Manohar Bodas
> direct disciples as the termination point? Thanks to this, the list ends up
> not having the names of people who have been synonymous with the gharana for
> five decades now.
No reasons but then the list becomes too big. I will post the names
later.
>
> Firoz Dastur's name should be there anyway - he was a direct disciple of
> Abdul Karim Khan.
>
Abhay
I was also under this impression. However it looks like Fhiroj
Dastoor had three Gurus. He never got any training from AKK
1)Pandit K V Jaokar 7years 2) Sawai Gandharv 5 years 3) Balkrisnabua
Kapileshwari 1.5 years.
His pupils are Achut Abhyankar,Dr Ashok Tulpule,Arvind Apte,Sudha
Diwekar,Asha Prasad,Dhanashri Pansit,Vrunda Limaye, Milind
Chittal,Vrunda Mundkur,Yashwant Upadye,Uttara Kelkar,Ulhas
Keni,Sucheta Dongre,Shrikant Deshpande,Girish Sanzgiri,Chandrashekhar
Vaze,Avinash Tawde,Vinayak Prabhu,Ramkrishna Patwardhan.
He also acted in in 20 films.Lal E Yaman 1933 to Gulbakawli 1947
Also His name was Fardoon Dastoor. He became Firoz as Mr. J B H Wadia
of Wadia Movitone gave him that name for his films.
Thanks
MB
Manohar Bodas
Pardon, c'est une chose presque impossible pour chercher. Mais viola :
Bashir Khan Abdul Sattar Khan
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Faiyyaz Ahmad Khan born 1921 Jaipur, died 1980 Mumbai
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Niaz Ahmad khan born 1923 Jaipur, Kishori Parikh. Poorvi Parikh
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Kishori Parekh,Poorvi Parekh, Shrikant Deshpande
Niaz Ahmad also received Padmasree and Tansen Puraskar
Please let me know if there is any error. Thanks
Manohar Bodas
Bosma
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> Faiyyaz Ahmad Khan born 1921 Jaipur, died 1980 Mumbai
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> Niaz Ahmad khan born 1923 Jaipur, Kishori Parikh. Poorvi Parikh
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> Kishori Parekh,Poorvi Parekh, Shrikant Deshpande
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I saw both brothers in concert in the early eightees. Those were my
salad days when I did not write down dates and reviews so
unfortunately I can't be more precise. I do remember Faiyaz Ahmed Khan
very much alive though. They toured with Arvind Parikh at that time
(do the names of Kishori and Purvi Parikh indicate these were his
pupils?).
Their three LP's have become rare:
Bageshri, Todi
Chandraprabha, Jaunpuri, Bhairavi
Yaman, Bairagi Bhairav (this one is a personal favorite)
From what I know AIR archives must be teeming with concert recordings
by them waiting to be either reissued or moulded.
Hans Bosma
Manohar Bodas
> salad days when I did not write down dates and reviews so
> unfortunately I can't be more precise. I do remember Faiyaz Ahmed Khan
> very much alive though. They toured with Arvind Parikh at that time
> (do the names of Kishori and Purvi Parikh indicate these were his
> pupils?).
>
Hi
Parikh Kishori Arvind (Wife of Arvind Parikh)DOB:June 25 1930
Got training from: Yashwantrai Purohit,Ustad Niaz and Faiyyaz Ahamad khan.
Her pupils:Purvee Parikh, Jyoti Koppiker,Suvarna.
Parikh Purvi Arvind Daughter of Arvind Parikh: DOB July 10 1954
Recd training from : Kishori Parikh, Niaz and Faiyyaz, Vialyat Khan.
Regarding the the year of death of Faiyyaz Khan we will have to check.
Regards
MB
debjoy
i want to know whether ustad amir khan had any
relationship with kirana gharana? he was perhaps trained under some
artists of kirana gharana. also can anybody tell whether ustad amir
khan had ever sung thumri or recording of such kind exists? as far as
ustad niaz & faiyaz ahmed khan are concerned, i have heard the
recordings of raga yaman & bairagi bhairav -both contains
lightining-fast taans in the tar saptak in the drut laya part, which
is i think much more familiar in artists of patiala gharana.waiting
for ur reply & please correct me if i am wrong at any point.
-debjoy
ps : yaman by ustad niaz & faiyaz ahmed khan(downloadable mp3):-
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Manohar Bodas
> hi everybody,
> i want to know whether ustad amir khan had any
> relationship with kirana gharana? he was perhaps trained under some
> artists of kirana gharana. also can anybody tell whether ustad amir
> khan had ever sung thumri or recording of such kind exists? as far as
> ustad niaz & faiyaz ahmed khan are concerned, i have heard the
> recordings of raga yaman & bairagi bhairav -both contains
> lightining-fast taans in the tar saptak in the drut laya part, which
> is i think much more familiar in artists of patiala gharana.waiting
> for ur reply & please correct me if i am wrong at any point.
> -debjoy
>
and Ameerkhan used to call him Chacha.
2) He did not get any direct training from Vaheed Khan
but the Gayakee of Vaheed Khan did influence him a lot.
3) He also got training from Amanat Khan.
Ameerkhan had a big complex about his being a Mirasee. He was often
ridiculed about it. In Bombay on certain Fridays some Muslim artists
used to meet and the vocal artists used to sing for a long time. On
one occasion Ameerkhan was thrown out of this sitting as he was a son
of Sarangeeya. This left an unfortunate mark on Ameerkhan's mind and
this is one reason he never touched Thumree.
In Dewas he used to complain to Rajabali about people calling him
Mirasee. Rajabali used to tell him that it was a fact that he was a
Mirasee and nothing could be done about it. However he should not care
about it and keep on singing.
Manohar Bodas
Rajan P. Parrikar
>also can anybody tell whether ustad amir
>khan had ever sung thumri or recording of such kind exists?
Yes, to both. I think Ibrahim Ali mentions this in his
biography of Amir Khan (I need to verify this).
Warm regards,
r
Rajan P. Parrikar
From an article of Susheela MIshra I had posted many moons ago -
"Although Amir Khan never rendered Thumris in his concerts,
his disciples speak of the exquisite way in which he rendered
Thumris for them in his intimate home-circle."
http://www.musicalnirvana.com/hindustani/amir_khan_articles.html
Warm regards,
r
Manohar Bodas
> I had written:
> >
> >debj...@yahoo.co.uk writes:
> >
> >>also can anybody tell whether ustad amir
> >>khan had ever sung thumri or recording of such kind exists?
> >
> >Yes, to both. I think Ibrahim Ali mentions this in his
> >biography of Amir Khan (I need to verify this).
>
Thumri in his concerts. If his Thumree recording is available this
must be a rare gem.
His life was cut short by an unfortunate car accident in Calcutta. I
believe he was returning from a party given by Kankana Banerjee(?) and
was left bleeding on the street. The other car was of Mr.K N Singh who
never used to touch alcohol.
MB
Warren Senders
>>
>> "Although Amir Khan never rendered Thumris in his concerts,
>> his disciples speak of the exquisite way in which he rendered
>> Thumris for them in his intimate home-circle."
I have a brief recording of Amir Khan singing a Khamaj Thumri,
and it is indeed exquisite.
WS
Manohar Bodas
> I have a brief recording of Amir Khan singing a Khamaj Thumri,
> and it is indeed exquisite.
>
> WS
If you can let us hear the clips it will be great. Hardly any one
has any idea about his Thumri. Thanks
MB
Sanjeev Ramabhadran
Warren-
Would it be at all possible to make a clip of this (either in part or
in its entirety) available online?
Sanjeev
Manohar Bodas
> > >> his disciples speak of the exquisite way in which he rendered
> > >> Thumris for them in his intimate home-circle."
> >
> > I have a brief recording of Amir Khan singing a Khamaj Thumri,
> > and it is indeed exquisite.
>
> Warren-
>
> Would it be at all possible to make a clip of this (either in part or
> in its entirety) available online?
>
> Sanjeev
Is n't it great to exchange the information? I never knew Ameerkhan
ever tried to sing Thumri at all.
MB
Abhik Majumdar
> in its entirety) available online?
I don't know if this is the Thumri Warren means, but I have an AK
Khamaj Thumri from the soundtrack of the Bengali movie Kshudita
Pashan. Unlike the Paluskar track I posted about some time ago, this
one is ready, digitised and sitting on my hard drive. I could either
post it individually to all interested persons, or to anyone who has
the inclination and the wherewithal to place it on the net for free
download.
Abhik
PS: The file is not very big; about 600-odd k. The sound quality is
iffy. I picked up the 78 rpm disc from a pavement stall in Calcutta.
But rendition is sublime, no otherword for it.
Manohar Bodas
>
>
> PS: The file is not very big; about 600-odd k. The sound quality is
> iffy. I picked up the 78 rpm disc from a pavement stall in Calcutta.
> But rendition is sublime, no otherword for it.
Hi Abhik Muzumdarji:
I faintly remember seeing a Bengali Film Basant Bahar in 1958. I
think Ameerkhan did sing a thumri in that film. Am I right? It's a
long time since.
MB
Ashok
says...
> Ameerkhan had a big complex about his being a Mirasee.
>Manohar Bodas
What is the meaning of "Mirasee"?
Ashok
Manohar Bodas
mirasi - A low caste Muslim community of hereditary musicians.
It is a caste in Rajasthan, These are the people who will stop you in
the street and start singing and follow you. They may sing about your
family tree or praise. And you have pay them. Lot of people avoid
them. Yu will be surprised how deep rooted castism is in India even
now.
MB
Manohar Bodas
Abhik Majumdar
> think Ameerkhan did sing a thumri in that film. Am I right? It's a
> long time since.
I don't know, really. Never managed to see the film. Yes, it does have
some very solid classical-based songs (e.g. AT Kanan and Manik Varma
singing "Naveli Kali") but I don't think AK sang for the movie. I may
be wrong,though.
Abhik
Manohar Bodas
I remember it had a Thumri Kaun Gali Gaye Sham in Bengali form. Kaun
Pathe Gelo Sham. Did Ameerkhan sing it??
MB
Abhay Phadnis
AFAIK, the term "miraasii" is used to refer to an accompanying musician as
opposed to the singer. Typically, the term is used for sarangiyas. It has a
derisive connotation as the accompanying instrumentalist is supposed to be
of a lower order than the lead performer, the singer. I remember reading
what an intimate of both Amir Khan and Kumar Gandharva has written about
them: Amir Khan would refuse to discuss KG saying "let's talk of _classical_
singers", while KG would dismiss AK saying "must we talk of miraasis? Let's
talk about singers"!
It is also told of Abdul Karim Khan that he gave up the sarangi and took to
singing following taunts about being a miraasii.
Warm regards,
Abhay
>
> MB
Warren Senders
I have some 78 recordings of AK in his film songs. I don't think
this rendition is from such a source, but I have not listened to it
in a long time. I'll get back to you all on that.
WRT posting the clips, I don't have the appropriate software,
but I'll see if I can get the recording to somebody who does.
Cheers,
WS
Manohar Bodas
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> > adhar...@hotmail.com (Ashok) wrote in message
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> > > In article <889afaf7.0305...@posting.google.com>,
> bod...@yahoo.comĒ
> >
> > mirasi - A low caste Muslim community of hereditary musicians.
> >
> >> >
> AFAIK, the term "miraasii" is used to refer to an accompanying musician as
> opposed to the singer. Typically, the term is used for sarangiyas. It has a
> derisive connotation as the accompanying instrumentalist is supposed to be
> of a lower order than the lead performer, the singer. I remember reading
> what an intimate of both Amir Khan and Kumar Gandharva has written about
> them: Amir Khan would refuse to discuss KG saying "let's talk of _classical_
> singers", while KG would dismiss AK saying "must we talk of miraasis? Let's
> talk about singers"!
Yes this is what Late Purohit wrote in his book on Kumar.
>
> It is also told of Abdul Karim Khan that he gave up the sarangi and took to
> singing following taunts about being a miraasii.
>
AKK was not Mirasi by caste. However those who play Sarangee were
treated like Harijan by other singing artists. All Sarangee players
are not Mirasi but they are not considered at par with others. They
may be called Mirasi like in Punjabee all from lower caste may be
called *Chudaa Saala*
I remember Faiyyaz Hussein of Pune (Arun Music Class)telling me about
his father Mohammad Hussein. His father,*MH* was son of leading
Sarangee player Kadar Bux who accompanied Bal Gandhrv for a long time.
They were coming to Bombay by train and there was another Muslim
sharing the the same compartment. They ate together, prayed together
and were very friendly. However when the other Muslim person came to
know about the music connection he just turned his face away and did
not utter a single word during the remaining journey.
This is something happened not long ago. May be around 1970sh. So you
can imagine how terrible things must have been.
MB
debjoy
thanks for so much information obtained about amir khan
singing a thumri . it would be a pleasure if i can get hold of such
recording . if myself can get it anyway ( i have to search for
casettes of bengali films referred earlier in this thread ) then i
wuold try my best to make it available to others interested (i have
seen the film 'khudito pashan' in my childhood so can't actually
remember about the songs, but i havenot seen 'basant bahar' till now).
thanking once again for the info provided.
-debjoy
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Havanur
>
> > > >Manohar Bodas
> > >
> > > What is the meaning of "Mirasee"?
> > >
> > >
> > > Ashok
> >
> > mirasi - A low caste Muslim community of hereditary musicians.
> >
> > It is a caste in Rajasthan, These are the people who will stop you in
> > the street and start singing and follow you. They may sing about your
> > family tree or praise. And you have pay them. Lot of people avoid
> > them. Yu will be surprised how deep rooted castism is in India even
> > now.
>
> AFAIK, the term "miraasii" is used to refer to an accompanying musician as
> opposed to the singer. Typically, the term is used for sarangiyas. It has a
> derisive connotation as the accompanying instrumentalist is supposed to be
> of a lower order than the lead performer, the singer.
I wonder if the mirassis were looked down not because of their caste,
but becuase of the stigma attached to their instrument. Wasn't
sarangi recognised as THE accompaniment for tawaifs and nautch girls
rather than a classical vocalist, at least in Amir Khan's times?
There is one detail about Amir Khan and sarangi that should be added
here - as a vocalist he never used it. The obvious explanation is that
the high pitched instrument did not suit his austere and dignified
alaaps. Or is there more to that decision?
Havanur